[Note from Pumpkin Person, July 25, 2017: The following guest post does not necessarily reflect the views of Pumpkin Person. Out of respect for the author, please try to keep all comments on topic. I understand conversations naturally evolve but at least start on topic. It should be noted that the theories described have been severely criticised by Greg Cochran]
Poverty has long been associated with educational under-achievement and various behavioral issues. Although the underlying causes of these differences have been at the center of a nature vs.. Nurture debate for decades, it’s only recently that insights from neuroscience have allowed better understanding of how poverty affects the brain. Observations from MRI scans show slower brain growth in children growing up in low SES households (poor and near-poor) which results in reduced volume and grey matter thickness in the frontal and parietal cortices as well as lower amygdala and hippocampus size. All those affected brain areas are crucial to learning and social functioning as they govern cognitive and executive functions such as language, working and long-term memory, attention, impulse control, emotional management and information processing.
Although research using animal experiments indicate that the relationship between poverty and altered brain development is causal, it is yet not clear which aspect of poverty impacts which function the most. The most cited factors are stress, trauma, low stimulation, poor child-parent relationship, poor nutrition and poor health. Although it is also possible that genetics play a role in individual susceptibility to these factors, the idea that genetic background cause people to be poor in the first place and then have their brains damaged by environmental factors is not supported by science and belongs to pseudo-Darwinian creationism, especially since such deficits appear to be reversible to a substantial degree due to brain plasticity.
Various interventions to improve or prevent decrease in cognitive and executive function have shown good and lasting results in reducing behavioral issues and increasing school performance and job market participation. Interventions can take various forms, first of all, since poverty is lack of financial resources, income supports to families with children are an obvious means of limiting children’s exposure to poverty-related adversity. Although this is absolute common sense, conservative ideologues have managed to convince a large part of the public that pro-poor policies would in fact be harmful to the needy whereas pro-rich ones would mysteriously benefit them.
Besides redistribution, executive function coaching in the form of computer or non-computer games, aerobic exercise and sports, music, martial arts and mindfulness practices as well as improvements in school curricula and teaching methods have been shown to improve social and educational outcomes. One last type of intervention that yielded good results is nurse home visits to low-income mothers of young children which had the effect of improving developmental outcomes of children by teaching mothers parenting skills and healthy practices.
These interventions aren’t to be confused with efforts at increasing IQ that caused little improvement beyond temporarily increasing IQ scores, which has no relevance in terms of life outcomes. IQ can probably benefit from increased language skills and executive function but it doesn’t seem to be the target of remedial intervention on those underlying abilities of which IQ test performance would only be a byproduct.
Now you might wonder how big a problem child poverty and its neurological consequences are in contemporary societies. Although the most extreme and widespread child poverty is seen in developing countries, industrialized countries like the USA, Israel, Turkey, Chile and Spain have rates of prevalence above 20%, whereas countries in Western Europe tend to maintain rates around or below 10%.
While informative, reported child poverty rates only include those who live below an arbitrarily defined poverty threshold in a given year, but the effects on poverty likely affect those living only slightly above poverty line and do not meet their developmental needs and those who have experienced poverty in the past but were living above the threshold when the figures were reported.
Within the United States, significant differences in the prevalence and the nature of child poverty exist between ethnic groups with 34% of Native Americans, 13% of Asians/Pacific Islanders, 36% of African-Americans, 31% of Hispanics and 12% of European Americans living under poverty line in 2015.
Comparing African-Americans and European Americans, the nature of poverty differed markedly with 77% of African Americans experiencing poverty at least once in their childhood and 37% living in poverty for more than 9 years.In comparison, only 30% of European American children experienced poverty while growing up, including 5% for more than 9 years. 40% of black children and 8% of white children were poor at birth. Among those born poor, 60% of African Americans and 25% of European Americans were still poor at age 17, among those not born in poverty, 20% of black children and 5% of whites were poor at age 17.
With the effects of poverty worse felt at a younger age and during long periods of time, such interracial differences in prevalence and persistence of child poverty are one plausible large contributor to the observed gaps in educational and behavioral outcomes between the two groups.
Read more:
- Association of Child Poverty, Brain Development, and Academic Achievement
- The Effects of Poverty on Childhood Brain Development: The Mediating Effect of
- Caregiving and Stressful Life Events
- Family Poverty Affects the Rate of Human Infant Brain GrowthThe impact of poverty on the development of brain networks
- Effects of childhood poverty and chronic stress on emotion regulatory brain function in adulthood
- Poverty’s Most Insidious Damage: The Developing Brain
- Socioeconomic status and the brain: mechanistic insights from human and animal research
- Childhood Poverty, Chronic Stress, Self-Regulation, and Coping
- Socioeconomic status and structural brain developmentChildhood Poverty: Specific
- Associations with Neurocognitive Development
- POVERTY, PRIVILEGE, AND BRAIN DEVELOPMENT: EMPIRICAL FINDINGS AND ETHICAL IMPLICATIONS
- Neural correlates of socioeconomic status in the developing human brain
- Poverty, cultural disadvantage and brain development: a study of pre-school children in Mexico.
- Rethinking the Brain: New Insights into Early Development.Malnutrition, poverty and intellectual development
- State of the Art Review: Poverty and the Developing Brain
- Poverty Impedes Cognitive Function
- Brain Drain: A Child’s Brain on Poverty
- Poverty, Stress, and Brain Development: New Directions for Prevention and Intervention
- Effects of Socioeconomic Status on Brain Development, and How Cognitive Neuroscience May Contribute to Levelling the Playing Field
- Family income, parental education and brain structure in children and adolescents
- Neglected infections of poverty in the United States and their effects on the brain
- Brain on stress: How the social environment gets under the skin
- How Poverty Affects the Brain: An unprecedented study in Bangladesh could reveal how malnutrition, poor sanitation and other challenges make their mark on child development
- Interventions shown to aid executive function development in children 4 to 12 years old.
- Short-Term Music Training Enhances Verbal Intelligence and Executive Function
- The development of inhibitory control in preschool children: Effects of “executive skills” training
- Relating Effortful Control, Executive Function, and False Belief Understanding to Emerging Math and Literacy Ability in Kindergarten
- Competitive Versus Cooperative Exergame Play for African American Adolescents’ Executive Function Skills: Short-Term Effects in a Long-Term Training Intervention
- Training and transfer effects of executive functions in preschool children
- Effects of physical activity on children’s executive function: Contributions of experimental research on aerobic exercise
- Reflection training improves executive function in preschool-age children: Behavioral and neural effects
- Hot and Cool Executive Function in Childhood and Adolescence: Development and Plasticity
- Childhood Poverty Persistence: Facts and Consequences
- Child poverty OECD
“These interventions aren’t to be confused with efforts at increasing IQ that caused little improvement beyond temporarily increasing IQ scores, which has no relevance in terms of life outcomes. IQ can probably benefit from increased language skills and executive function but it doesn’t seem to be the target of remedial intervention on those underlying abilities of which IQ test performance would only be a byproduct.”
I think IQ is possible to increase to super high levels. I have said that I have aphantasia which means that I cannot see images or memories in my mind’s eye. But recently I have been meditating and I can almost see images and some energy waves. Some people can see PlayStation 4 quality animations in there head eyes closed. My brother and his friend can create anything they want in lucid dreaming more real than PlayStation 4. I could do the same by controlling my mind. When you can control your mind you can program it to become supper parallel and increase IQ.
^^^most bizarre person I’ve ever seen.
Still makes more sense than afro
Even a mentally disabled person who eat his shit make more sense than Afro.
So increase imagination increase IQ*
I’ve known some weird people but this guy may take the cake (assuming he’s not trolling). It’s amazing he’s this out but then he’ll drop something that’s totally coherent and intelligent.
My IQ is 90 because I am on welfare.
https://pumpkinperson.com//?s=income&search=Go
But I graduated high school with a 3.0
http://gpacalculator.net/gpa-scale/3-0-gpa/
3.0 = 85th percentil = B average
85 = IQ 116
Possibly not.
Why do you keep letting this clown post? Is he paying you money? I can pay you money to stop posting Afros stuff if you want?
Because I don’t want this blog to become an echo chamber so it’s good to have a few anti-HBD views if they’re well researched, even though I’m very skeptical.
You and afro have the exact same views on everything.
How explain smarter children who born in very poor families? They seems to be rare but they exist.
Three year old kid explains why he doesn´t want to eat meat
Iluminatikitty,
beautiful and brave little boy!!
The major problem of ”diet with meat” is not eat ”meat” ITSELF, but treat ALL individuals of the same group or species as they were all the same.
There are hypo-TO-non-sescient individuals and in my view they must be selected to be consumed [firstly, it’s necessary to produce a ”selective niche” to split this two type of created non-human beings], IF ”protein-meat” is extremely important for human beings [even we know it’s also a ”selective confounding” and we can select for people who are more adaptable to vegetarian diets as have happened in India, for example], this would be one of the ”alternative” solution to this moral problem.
Both sides satisfied: those who need consume ”meat” by health-reasons, those who are ”carnists”, and those who aren’t.
So, we may have two types of species in farms: selected hypo-sescient [no have empathy and no feel pain] to the consume, and selected normal-sescient to the domestication but specially for co-eugenic-evolution.
In some places hunt animals is fundamental to survive because no have available vegetation to be processed and eated.
Huh? Wut? Even if ure saying wut I think ure saying its stupid.
Just think it’s not enough son… Elaborates.
Genetics can explain susceptibility to any risk factor. That’s what heritability studies estimate. Some poor kids may also be in part shielded from the effects of poverty sometimes.
do you blame your homosexuality on your genes?
Lol, your the faggot here, you literally told your cock size and body measurements like you were on a gay dating site. Then you said you wanted a girl that can fuck you with her clit. In other words, you wanna get pounded by a small Chinaman.
you got me there.
i want a small chinaman.
manchus, mongols, and tibetans are too big.
treat women like fags and you’ll go far.
that’s my rule.
now i have to find a woman with a yuge clit to go in my ass.
”Some poor kids may also be in part shielded from the effects of poverty sometimes.”
Sometimes, firstly because poor or empoverished people tend to be less-adapted-to-civilization, at least, originally speaking.
Maybe it’s not exactly the question: ”be dumb or not” but ”be adapted or not”.
Why/how some poor kids can born smarter than their brothers and sisters if poverty is affecting, around everyone in its home*
Usually exceptions in this case tend to prove the side of genetic prevalence than the side of environmental prevalence.
If poverty cause real damages on intelligence so everyone must be affected, maybe in different degrees, but still in harsh ways.
Other interesting thing is that different people who have immigrated to UZ tend to have different collective achievements namely those who are more representative of their original populations but also those who has been highly selected. Between white elite and black under class we have a broader spectrum. Would be interesting analyze north Korean diaspora. I know they tend to do worse in Sourh Korea but in very problematic countries as North Korea people on the better social positions rarely emigrate.
[start of comment redacted by pp, July 25, 2017]
Wasn’t zizek caught plagiarising Kevin McDonald?
That offers up the fascinating theory that Zizek is well aware of Zion and is using his capital to deflect…maybe.
What has zizek said on the Jewish Question?
I judge all intellectuals on the jewish question, because to see it is one thing, but to be brave enough to discuss it…that makes a true intellectual. Hitchens failed spectacularly on it and was actually rooting for them. I suspect Dennet knows but chides himself for noticing. Of course, Sailer knows and says it in implicit ways.
There are very few intellectuals who will talk openly like Nietzsche did all those years ago.
it’s pretty obvious zizek is aware of zion.
“huge verbal performance split”
so it’s weird that peepee is a booster for the IQ income correlation.
rich kids have high VIQs.
peepee explains this as environment, because she wares a diaper.
is it?
who are the 1%.
3/4s of them are…
MDs
JDs
MBAs
high VIQ helps more than high PIQ in getting rich…in america.
this might also explain the jew in america.
jewish VIQ is much higher than jewish FSIQ.
No i explain the sky high SAT scores of rich kids partly by environment. Rich kids do so well on the SAT you would think they earned the money themselves
Jews don’t just have high verbal but high math. Two of the most valued abilities in modernity, so they are good at adapting to civilization but perhaps not so good at creating it.
If civilization crumbles East Asians could vindicate Rushton as the dominant race
but what is “high M”?
prof shoe always used this phrase. i called him out on it.
M is not a factor of any soi-disant IQ test. it’s a factor of the SAT, etc.
i speak with some authority…
math ability is partly visuo-spatial, partly verbal…
but above all it’s just studiousness and focus.
at least “higher math” is like that.
even the most innately talented have to make an effort.
graduate level maths isn’t easy for anyone.
The latest wechsler scales no longer use the verbal vs performance dichotomy but rather a five factor model. I suspect one of those factors is closely linked to math talent
This is exciting.
what do you know about it?
how is g calculated now?
how was it normed?
I do not find anything on google.
what organization is in charge of creating the test?
Cat, I’ll do a brief article about it soon.
Meanwhile I hope you’re enjoying this summer and getting some fresh air and sunshine and interacting with people in person
“wear” not “ware” you low VIQ cunt.
This guy’s talking to himself😆
the number of people who can read an article in a math journal or for that matter chemistry journal as if it were an article in the NYTs is…
ZERO.
i can assure you.
so a big diff between those who excel and those who fail is merely a difference in effort and the willingness to make an effort.
Difficult is not always better than essential. Mathsmarts who can’t understand or accept very important aspects of reality is at the best a potential useful idiot…for whom.
The degree of our potential to be deceived by other people/organization about very important issues it’s no doub essential.
What usually happen proto robots on the math spectrum tend to despise other subjects namely those on humanities.
[redacted by pp, july 26, 2017]
There’s something about a square jaw on a woman that’s turns me on. I’m not a homo. There’s a blog about this.
https://www.square-jaw.style/
a defined and large jaw is one of those features which makes both genders look better. but a large chin is not. the two do not always occur together.
minnie driver has a yuge jaw but a small chin. she used to be hot.
same with julie louis-dreyfus and Gabriela Sabatini (who probably is a lesbian).
drew barrymore has a yuge chin and is unattractive.
I agree about the chin thing. Big jaws are good, chins not so much.
Olivia Wilde drives me insane. I wanna see her masticate so badly, GODDAMIT
I don’t know. Paula Pattons got a nice pointy chin. I’d cum on it.
DAMN Minnie Driver…very impressive
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQB2DDzJH8Q9G730EWVCrBBGVWABTEJh2X8t5-47TZKLQ6w0w
what can one not do with an IQ of 129?
1. win a nobel prize in physics.
2. be a supreme court justice.
3. what else?
In James Thompson’s 5 tribe conceptualization, IQ 125 is the last significant IQ threshold in determining success. Above 125, you can be largely self-taught and achieve success in almost any socially-valuable career path.
In other words, an IQ 129 will probably only preclude you from being a STEM Nobel wimner.
Well, I should say, a 129 IQ in and of itself . Clearly other traits are needed for success in most fields.
Durrr
Creativity????
chemistry is by far the most goyish of the natscis. maybe geology.
and i can attest that organic chemistry is dominated by white gentiles (mostly germanic) and japanese.
theoretical chemistry is dominated by jews, chinks, and wops/wogs.
i’m not making this up.
it’s conspicuous.
i guess afro is right.
i’m into dykes.
make-up, ear-rings, jewelry in general, un-comfortable shoes, dresses instead of pants, etc.
this isn’t “femininity” it’s stockholm syndrome.
bitch is the new black.
i want a woman who wants to fuck me with her clit.
so yes. i admit i’m a fag. in that i think women should be more manly.
and the only reason they aren’t is environment.
of course manliness smells like dog farts.
i just think that if women want full equality they have to stop with the girly stuff.
and guys should stop with the american football stuff too.
another anal-ogy.
nat sci : chemistry :: ivy league : …
the correct answer is…
princeton.
another article that desperately tries to convince us that blacks are our equals
since afro was a child the media has been telling him that he’s special but as soon as he goes on the internet and finds some hard truths about his worthless race he just cant handle it
afro is not anti-HBD for equalitarian reasons. Afro is anti-HBD because it dares to state the true worth of blacks
every other week afro comes out with copy and paste articles that are so weak that many blacks wouldn’t even be convinced by them
The Dutch have never tried to convince anyone that they are equal.
the Germans have never tried to explain away their problems with talk of poverty.
the Swedish have never complained about disease
people worthy of being called humans just role up their sleeves and fix their problems.
i believe it was Nietzsche who said that the greatest sign of inferiority is asking for equality
LOL! This is a post on poverty and brain development. If you can contribute by providing counter-evidence to the facts exposed in the post, I’ll be glad to discuss it with you.
If you’re just here to exteriorize your frustration of being a worthless lame faggot who has no life, please comment on another thread.
Even though I don’t agree with the premises of this article, I’m glad Pumpkin is allowing contrasting viewpoints. Shows an open mind.
And what does it mean when half of the recurring commenters on this site (you, the philosopher, mugabe, Santo before PP broke them up, that issam guy, Carl churchhill, etc.) seem to have some obsession/hard-on for Afro. It’s like he just pops into your mind even when he’s not commenting here.
Creepy!
Gondi,
Only one here who have obsession with Afro is you, a genuine obsession.
The man has the record number of guest posts and is a poster boy for everything that is wrong in the West. He also regularly bombards the threads with naked men and advertisements. It doesn’t. get any worse! than THAT my friend.
Even though I don’t agree with the premises of this article
Elaborate. What don’t you agree with?
1) Brain development differences between social classes
2) Poverty causes those differences
3) Poverty is not caused by genetics
This is not an opinion piece, I’m reporting findings on the relationship between poverty and neurodevelopment. I added statistics on race because it’s an HBD blog. But the exact same things are discussed all over the internet and the academia without mention of race or genetics. What matters is the plain association and then the causal direction.
I could have posted on height. Poor people are shorter, that’s a fact. But would you suspect that there are genes that make people short and that being short makes them poor? I think this is absurd. it’s not just absurd, it’s a purely speculative ad hoc hypothesis and it violates Occam’s Razor
Even though cognitive impairments make it harder to escape poverty in a knowledge-driven society, which results in a self-fueling phenomenon, it is largely possible to break the circle in developed countries. Research shows that small gains in income among the poorest have large effects on cognitive and behavioral outcomes. The relationship is not linear, it stalls after a certain level of income.
And what does it mean when half of the recurring commenters on this site (you, the philosopher, mugabe, Santo before PP broke them up, that issam guy, Carl churchhill, etc.) seem to have some obsession/hard-on for Afro. It’s like he just pops into your mind even when he’s not commenting here.
Creepy!
Indeed… Haters gonna hate. Some people just can’t deal with their insecurities in a rational manner.
Gman,
so people are allowed to post copy and paste ” articles ” but i am not allowed to criticize the entire premise of the article ? and if i do its an obsession ? what a retard lol
I think its so sad that Afro needs to cry to you and ask you to do defend him
After this article was deleted we saw you popping up and crying for him until PP reposted it
After afro found himself frustrated by the fact that he cant respond to any of the devastatingly painful truths in my comment, he messages you and tells you to turn this into something about me/phil/mugabee/santo having some kind of gay obsession with your boy
gman went from being an uncle tom to being afro’s bitch
how low can you go ?
but what else can we expect from a guy who pays for sex
oh and that reminds me of an article i read a few years ago that said that most high end expensive escorts refuse to serve blacks LOL
so its not just the whores of porn that either refuse to work with blacks or charge extra to be touched by a black
I cant imagine how it must feel to come from a race that is deemed to be so disgusting that even whores demand extra money to be whores around you
Jesus jimmy. Someone had a workout this morning.
Congrats dummy jimmy, you discovered 80% of our scheme. Let me give away the remaing 20%: I’m GondwanaMan’s sockpuppet. No jocking.
PS: nice rebuttal of this post.
what’s “jocking”? is this more bathhouse talk?
Please, don’t be dumb, it’s a typo. Dummy Jimmy wouldn’t have noticed with his middle school level of English proficiency.
C’mon PP, don’t block my comments, he comes at me, I go back. That’s how it works!
Well Robert brings up a good point about math. My own experience is that I find math quite that bit harder to do. Particularly applied math. I suspect its because the focus and lego block thinking element is something that I don’t have ‘personality wise’. But i’ve said intelligence, and your type of intelligence is actually a personality trait. [redacted by pp, july 26, 2017] This is a pretty obvious thing for me that people with creative or schiz personalities cannot follow rules or won’t have patience to do math. Their ‘intelligence’ can’t be measured i.e. social/artistic – but its there. People here have often made the mistake of assuming something doesn’t exist because you can’t get a ruler out. Gravity existed before language.
I’ve had a phd engineering friend who can’t dance, dress, read people or play music but was great at math. On an IQ test he would be ‘very superior’, but most people treated him like a child. Because he had the personality of child. His personality is always the same for many asperger types in my opinion. The personality is inherently linked to the proclivity of the type of task being executed.
You can over simplify it maybe by saying personality is something predominantly ordained by where you lie on the AS Spectrum. I think personality is much more complicated than that.
But for now if you have a certain ‘personality’ – your ‘math IQ’ will be much higher simply due to bloody mindedness at what many people would think are boring things.
I remember not doing any math homework or study for almost 2 years before the finals because I hated the subject so much. I hate it not because im bad, but my personality which is heavily linked to my type of intelligence.
This is why when ‘math IQ’ types write philosophy none of it makes sense. Asking socially dull people to write about the mind or about political economy or aesthetics is ridiculous. They write about the easier to grasp abstraction of the phenomenon, rather than the actual thing as type of avoidance or mitigation.
I’ve said before aspergers people make terrible psychiatrists and I suspect doctors.
And so, the boundaries of personality and ‘math IQ’ or ‘verbal’ or ‘spatial’ or whatever are very fine, if not non-existent.
But i’ve said intelligence, and your type of intelligence is actually a personality trait
Intelligence and personality interact, and personality can influence the type of skills you use your intelligence to acquire (i.e. Cattell’s investment theory) but it’s been known for over 100 years that personality and cognition are two distinct mental domains. In other words, personality tests correlate much more with other personality tests than they do with cognitive tests, and cognitive tests correlate much more with other cognitive tests than they do with personality tests.
Unlike intelligence, I don’t think personality is an ability in the psychometric sense, perhaps because it can not be graded on a standard of proficiency.
And please get rid of that gravatar. The fact that you’re so obsessed with one topic (Jews) that you can’t go a single day without referencing it, indicates autism, which is ironic because autistics usually don’t have the social intelligence to understand Jewish influence, but perhaps you invested what little you have in that one topic (Cattell’s investment theory)
“perhaps because it can not be graded on a standard of proficiency.”
“I cannot measure it with a ruler satisfactorily. Therefore it doesn’t exist.” – Pumpkin Person.
“Anything I know, the ruler told me” – Pumpkin Person.
“I cannot measure it with a ruler satisfactorily. Therefore it doesn’t exist.”
No, personality can be measured, and does exist, but personality test questions measure preferences “I like the colour red better than blue” while IQ tests measure abilities “I can put two triangles together to form a square” Get it?
“Anything I know, the ruler told me”
That’s called the scientific method and it’s worked pretty well so far. It’s very easy to throw ideas around without any kind of empirical verification. It doesn’t make you creative and socially intelligent, it just makes you irrational.
So you don’t know what ability mean
Ability is not what you have but what you to do with what you have.
Psychological aspects or personality exist to be used in social/personal issues while cognitive exist to be uses in impersonal issues. Invent a new tool= cognition. Behave among people in the party: Personality.
Have a higher math potential sometimes don’t translate in math ability and in math big math achievements. Become smarter in math when you already born like that is a quasi-ability because you just expand what you already have as expansible. But manipulate this potential and in most divergent ways possible is really or fully a ability.
I thought people who have social/emotional practical skills are not always those who really understand how society/people works. So it’s perfectly possible we have a person with a historical of social inadaptanciea but a knowledgeable in this issues.
And between mentalist and mechanicist worlds we have a intermediary world I like to call “intellectual”. So engineering is very “cognitive” while psychology would be it’s perfect opposite, a very “mentalistic”, but only-cognitive is impossible without the neutralization of psychological aspects or even using them while psychological without cognitive is just hysteria.
Notice the way I intuitively know the current personality measurements arent fine grained enough to correlate to suggest my theory.
I see the correlation intuitively. Don’t ask me why. I don’t know.
But ‘scientifically’ what I say is ‘illogical’ and has no place in academia (for another 20 years anyway).
Yet I could predict a persons math IQ by talking with them for 2 minutes. In the same way I could tell if they would be a good musician.
And no, I wouldn’t ask them ‘what did you get in your math test’. I would ask about their interest. Describe a typical day. Look at their clothing. Ask them to imagine getting a million dollars etc.
I would have been a world class psychiatrist.
Indeed psychological works more silently as motivational support for “predominant-cognitive tasks”. In neurophysiological aspects I’m tried to find some studies showing where cognitive and psychological is so different.
Centric-cognition measurement is just like measure the rights of workers but not their duties.
Pumpkin can’t even define science. To pumpkin science is about measuring things with rulers.
Science is increasing the truth value of propositional statements or falsification of statements. You can use any method. You can layer hypothesis as well.
For example, [people good at math tend to be socially awkward]. [Socially swkward people have less social experience] > Math IQ is negatively correlated to getting laid.
You don’t need to run an experiment or send out a survey to prove level 3. You understand that logic pumpkin.
Does logic override science Pumpkin?
Most math is not science pumpkin. Even though it is measurement. This is why it is called the ‘theory’ of relativity.
Read Popper.
Science is increasing the truth value of propositional statements or falsification of statements.
And your proposition was falsified by the fact that personality only weakly predicts cognitive abilities and profile and by the fact that personality is conceptually different from cognitive ability.
For example, [people good at math tend to be socially awkward]. [Socially swkward people have less social experience]
So you’re more or less an HBD denier i.e. Malcolmm Gladwell’s 10,000 hours of practice. You think all intelligence is just learned from experience dictated by personality and not innate talent.
I don’t think when personality tests measure personal preferences they are truly measuring something but comparing, firstly.
Personality tests are more aubjective/personal than cognition tests, but it’s also objective when compare levels of psychological resilience for example.
“Yet I could predict a persons math IQ by talking with them for 2 minutes. In the same way I could tell if they would be a good musician.”
What is your view of me, Philosopher?
(pumpkin is blocking some of my comments)
”For example, [people good at math tend to be socially awkward]. [Socially swkward people have less social experience]
So you’re more or less an HBD denier i.e. Malcolmm Gladwell’s 10,000 hours of practice. You think all intelligence is just learned from experience dictated by personality and not innate talent.”
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”And your proposition was falsified by the fact that personality only weakly predicts cognitive abilities and profile and by the fact that personality is conceptually different from cognitive ability.”
Conceptually different where* why*
Yes, but openess to experience is strongly correlated with creativity and with intellectual engagement…
Consciousness correlates with capacity to concentration on cognitive tasks.
Cognitive and psychological are not two separated domains BECAUSE they are on can be considered as different… they seems mutually complementary, but we can have many different combinations, for example, high open, low cons and high general cognitive skills or IQ or low open, high cons and high IQ… Remember that IQ is not a atomized construct within human mind.
”So you’re more or less an HBD denier i.e. Malcolmm Gladwell’s 10,000 hours of practice. You think all intelligence is just learned from experience dictated by personality and not innate talent.”
I thought Gladwell wasn’t completely wrong. Well, at least with me, i think about that psychology stuff during big part of my time. The difference is that i’m not really obsessed with it, i’m naturally interested, it’s different. Psychology become part of myself, so this become natural to me, it’s different than become over-obsessed with some stuff, instead you have insights, it’s likely you become more rigid than flexible.
I thought Issam was Philo. Issam is really amusing.
At the gym, black people are not equal, they are superior to others and generally, they don’t show off their natural advantage. They tend to say to others that with time and effort, like introvert engineers who wants some muscle as a staring point to build up confidence, they would just be like them, wich obviously rarely happens. But the exchanges are good.
Maybe the evolution (and domestication) only changes thing – if you consider all criteria – but don’t improves it if we were able to list them all. Autist east asian and aspie jewish are an example of that.
I’m happy there are black people whether their average IQ is a consequence of poverty or not. Differences are good.It makes life more interesting and fun. Now I’m touring Corsica. This island is the most beautiful I have ever seen and part of this stunning beauty lies in the diversity of the corsican landscape (It seems like most people during the summer comes from the North of europe and northern Italy. Almost everyone has blond hair in the places I’m visiting here).
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-everyone-became-depressed/201505/beautiful-mind-what-did-john-nash-really-have
This article touches on 3 points I would add to:
1. ‘Dementia praecox’ was what Neitsche was diagnosed with. There seems to be a blurring of diagnostic criteria as some psychiatrists called schiz ‘early onset dementia’ 100 years ago. He became ill in his early 30s I think. The definition of schizophrenia changes every 30-40 years. My opinion as a non clinician basement troll would be that based on Nietzsche’s physiognomy, thinking style and forceful personality, he like me had a schizophrenic onset. And of course back then there was no medication to fight it so he completely imploded. Verbal intelligence is linked to neurosis in the literature. Its not a wild speculative point to suggest very high levels of VIQ are linked to schizophrenia in the same way very high levels of ‘math IQ’ is with aspergers i.e. Buffet/Gates.
2. The author is wrong about Nash making a full recovery. The man was still on heavy medications. But his general point is right that schizophrenia is not a one size fits all typology. I believe the 3 schiz ‘personalities’ of schizotypal, schizoid and paranoid types are useful concepts as they morph into specific types of schizophrenic psychosis: hallucinatory, catatonia and paranoid psychosis respectively.
3.A good way to find out for sure would be to look at either Nash or Nietzsche’s parents. For example my own parent has had full blown schizophrenia at least since her late 20s. I think its possible for people to hide schizophenia ‘naturally’ in 1 of two ways – (a) live in a society that leans schizophrenic e.g. africa/meso america and so being wild and impulsive is not ‘mad’ (b) have the most favourable conditions possible e..g rural uncomplicated and small population so as not to antagonise your genetics.
The irony of schizophrenia in high ability types is that you have the primordial instinctive mind coupled with a very advanced toolkit and aesthetic sense of the world. There is no greater irony in the study of the mind in my opinion.
My Dad is schizophrenic.
My Mom has mentally delayed self-awareness.
My brother is a paranoid schizophrenic that hears voices and two weeks ago he did meth and got much worse.
My sister is mild borderline personality disorder.
My aunt is bipolar and is ego defensive.
I have Simple Partial Seizures and emotional / psychological trama.
(Please let this comment be approved pumpkin)
^^^ the ideological function of psychiatry ^^^
my brother takes medication for anger issues and my aunt is 70 showing signs of dementia.
My grandmother had Alzheimer’s and attacked my mom on the farm thinking she was a stranger. When grandma was gone because my uncle got her a care giver 200 miles away my mom was all alone she moved and stayed with my aunt. I was 7 at the time.
More you talk about yourself here more people will use it against you.
Try Wrong Planet, do you already tried *
I am not Aspergers.
If you do not understand what Aspergers is then I suggest observing commander Data. (Star Trek The Next Generation)
Yes kitty cat, I know your life was traumatic but don’t reveal too much personal info online. There’s a lot of psychos out here, and this blog may seem deceptively safe
What your diagnosis*
Aut…istic with some schiz..o comborbities*
Your levels of facial unexpressivity seems near to this level.
“Your levels of facial unexpressivity seems near to this level.”
You need to see past that and look into the cognitive fluidity of social dynamics of two people. You never see me interact will people in real life. They would notice the difference if I was Aspergers. Philosopher nailed it when he said that language is not about arranging blocks but ordering semantic meaning. I know how Commander Data is. If I was like that I could not elicit people into being themselves around me. I can do what a therapist is supposed to do. Help people understand themselves. That is the exact opposite of Aspergers. Aspergers cannot be empaths. I am an empath.
It’s not all aspiea who can’t be empathetic and seems some pr many them are very affectively empathetic but not in cognitive way. Many them/you? can feel but not understand other intentions probably because evil by no reasonable reasons tend to be illogical.
Half the country think trump is evil.
Half must be Aspergers because half don’t think he is evil.
Is that how it is Santo?
I know what evil is.
It’s cold, it’s calculating, it’s soulless.
You’re going full retard Kitty,
calm down man!!
Based on Wrong Planet, most aspies hate Trump as well most illiberals.
Trumpists don’t appear to be aspies, even it’s expected we find many them, majority of trumpists are regular conservatives.
”I know what evil is.
It’s cold, it’s calculating, it’s soulless.”
You know the concept, now to apply in real-world examples you are inconsistent as most people tend to do.
Nietzsche has large eyes like myself.
There was an interesting man on quora that claimed to be able to tell intelligence by the luminosity of the eyes. One of Nietzsche most distinctive features is his penetrating stare.
https://www.poets.org/sites/default/files/styles/286×289/public/images/biographies/tseliot.jpg?itok=-CBpCotJ
High VIQ types tend to look like movie villain criminals.
And generally socially intelligent.
But sometimes they are the good guys too:
Dulles and Orwell are extreme opposites.
I read 1984 in 2007 at age 20.
It made me a little mentally unstable.
Because I am a sensitive person.
1984 made you unstable? 🤔
GMan I’ll take the Stanford Binet if you pay for it
Post-traumatic
I don’t wanna pay more than $30. Do you have a PayPal and can you find a doctor in your area who offers the test for less than $100? (I went to some place for indigent people in Alabama)
If I recall GRE wasn’t too expensive and it was also on a computer. But i know you dont trust scholastic tests like the stanford-binet or wechsler.
If you can do GRE or GMAT or cheap Stanford binet I’ll help pay for it.
I say this movie when I was 6 years old and my dad told me to stop crying because men don’t cry.
(I cannot post the hell scene because pumpkin might not allow it, All dogs go to heaven is almost as bad as Silent Hill (2006) film)
All Dogs Go To Heaven Trailer
Either kitty cat is serious or he’s the most brilliant troll in history (more so than Marsha murphy)
Me being the most brilliant troll in history would require superior social intelligence, thus disproving Santo’s and Philosophers theory that I am Aspergers.
Well, I am an empath but seriously you must understand that I have a moral center and would never troll is such a cruel way, lying about being traumatized. This really happened to me when I was 6 years old.
Kitty,
don’t be dishonest and tell us what’s your real diagnosis BUT bear in mind, at least for me, i don’t care about your personal issues, specially in the way you’re exposing and all the time asking other people here to tell what they think about you. It’s boring, sorry!
Santo,
Fine if you must know, I have stupid doctors because I am diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and not Aspergers. They must be stupid Santo because they have not figured out what you have if you really know for sure that I have Aspergers.
If you think Santo that I have Aspergers then I come to think that we have different views on it.
The kid in this video act a whole lot like Commander Data.
^^^ the ideological function of psychiatry ^^^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoaffective_disorder
Look to the sympthoms and think if you have most of this.
”Schizoaffective disorder is defined by mood disorder-free psychosis in the context of a long-term psychotic and mood disorder.[2] Psychosis must meet criterion A for schizophrenia which may include delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, thinking or behavior and negative symptoms.[2] Both delusions and hallucinations are classic symptoms of psychosis.[9] Delusions are false beliefs which are strongly held despite evidence to the contrary.[9] Beliefs should not be considered delusional if they are in keeping with cultural beliefs. Delusional beliefs may or may not reflect mood symptoms (for example, someone experiencing depression may or may not experience delusions of guilt). Hallucinations are disturbances in perception involving any of the five senses, although auditory hallucinations (or “hearing voices”) are the most common.[9] A lack of responsiveness or negative symptoms include alogia (lack of spontaneous speech), blunted affect (reduced intensity of outward emotional expression), avolition (loss of motivation), and anhedonia (inability to experience pleasure).[9] Negative symptoms can be more lasting and more debilitating than positive symptoms of psychosis.
Mood symptoms are of mania, hypomania, mixed episode, or depression, and tend to be episodic rather than continuous. A mixed episode represents a combination of symptoms of mania and depression at the same time. Symptoms of mania include elevated or irritable mood, grandiosity (inflated self-esteem), agitation, risk-taking behavior, decreased need for sleep, poor concentration, rapid speech, and racing thoughts.[9] Symptoms of depression include low mood, apathy, changes in appetite or weight, disturbances in sleep, changes in motor activity, fatigue, guilt or feelings of worthlessness, and suicidal thinking.”
ian smith: “the ideological function of psychiatry”
Make people believe that labels created from ambiguous symptoms, that have subjective interpretations, are real problems called mental illness. The people will start labeling others by these ambiguous symptoms.
A symptom is not the cause.
psychiatry as an ideology is that the symptom is the cause and the function of psychiatry is to make people believe this.
Aspergers does not exist.
Mugabe is smart. (smile emoticon)
Psychiatry have a ideology, because every thing humans create have a ideology. Ideology, at priori, is either bad or good, false or factual.
Yes, psychiatry has also been used against THE people as well ALMOST human ideologies or belief systems.
But, it doesn’t invalidate every thing about psychiatry.
People who over-generalize tend not to be very analyptically intelligent…
why the google translate from english to portuguese to chinese and then back to english?
does not compute.
error message 6079 Smith W.
the middle picture of dulles reminds me of molotov.
Vyacheslav Mikhailovich (Scriabin) Molotov is interesting because prior to the revolution he was an aristocrat. he survived all the purges and was a true believer in stalin to the end.
he’s an example of the ruling class surviving even a regime which was overtly anti ruling class.
Look at LBJ’s body language. McCloy is more powerful than the president.
Just like Robert Rubin is more powerful than Clinton:
LBJ is the least powerful man in this room. This is the Warren Commission. The chief justice was not in on it and kept getting duff information from Dulles. McCloy is probably the most powerful man here. Boggs and Cooper were in the tank. Gerald Ford later served as president. Key word: served.
Americans used to choose their presidents in smoke filled rooms up until the primaries were thrown open. In actual fact, you could argue JFKs coup was a return to the original smoke filled room plutocracy. For example, Harding and Taft, Coolidge were all goons. Like Ford, Johnson and Nixon were. Although Nixon was probably the smartest president of the 20th century and I think was a complicated figure who tried to serve the 400 and simultaneously do what was right.
Nixon was removed in coup. Why this happened is the most interesting question in modern history.
Paranoid type personality.
Nixon came up with the term ‘slient majority’ on behalf of the gentiles who had no voice in Zion’s media. That must have counted against him.
But Dulles handpicked and groomed him for higher office.
If you can understand Nixon’s removal, you will have a total understanding of the 20th century and our current situation. The only thing missing then is an understanding of Zion itself and its key characters/operatives. Because they act behind actors, and have censored all research we may never know unfortunately.
Nixon lost to Kenedy in the TV debate because of body language.
But on the radio, Nixon beat Kenedy.
nixon was also for single-payer. the GOP has become much more conservative since nixon.
wrong.
nixon was pro universal coverage. he was anti single-payer.
Instead, Nixon proposed a plan that required employers to buy private health insurance for their employees and gave subsidies to those who could not afford insurance. Nixon argued that this market-based approach would build on the strengths of the private system.
“Government has a great role to play, he said, “but we must always make sure that our doctors will be working for their patients and not for the federal government.”
Nixon was a complex man.
Have you read the Roger Stone biography of LBJ? Sum wild shit😂
afro is right and jimmy is wrong that…
black men can be very attractive to white women.
the reverse not so much.
jayman claims black men are the sexiest and black women are the least sexy.
maybe in general.
there’s a lot of variation.
in my experience black women do in fact like white men.
just not as much as ne asian women like white men.
in their case it’s f—ing ridiculous.
there’s so much overlap, but there are super sexy women of all races.
i have noticed that among ne asians the japanese women are the hottest.
but among asians generally i’d go with the s asians hands down.
better than the turks or persians.
some injun women are just…schwing!
black men are the sexiest
I seriously doubt that
biggest cocks.
best athletes.
narrowest hips.
but as i’ve always said, and afro can’t grasp, attraction is concrete.
it’s not just body shape.
1:06 is kinda interesting.
Remember we use words/hieroglyphics/crypto codes to describe things. The things are to be manipulated. Not the symbols.
We can give different gradients and qualities to things. In the manner he is sad, very sad, blue or melancholic.
Now draw circles in your mind and try to fit them on the map and how they may overlap or be distinct from one another. You see the qualities are somewhat different. They bring out a different hue in the phenomenon.
We can see they are not exactly linear gradients. But qualities of the thing.
But always remember, these are labels. And the circles change shape ever so slightly as time passes by. In years gone by, melancholy would be certainly to the further lower right in what has since been supplanted by ‘depressed’. And now in the twilight of its life, ‘melancholy’ almost elides with ‘nostalgia’ in the top right.
Did you see how all the circles have moved? Wittgenstein thinks all the circles should never move. And that people cannot and should not create new circles that are not linked explicitly to the prior ordering of the circles. Not the circles. The ordering.
This is a logical error because it defeats the purposes of language as (a) an art form (b) an meta efficient means of communication and (c) as an organic iterative adaptation programming module.
We create private language for logical reasons sometimes.
Language is painting.
This is why poetry has existed in every civilisation for thousands of years.
Cognito ergo sum
Translates
mind therefore identity
metanoia in Greek (often translated as repent in English) means intuition or above thinking, (knowing) and Higher Mind. (Mind of Christ) (understanding intangible spiritual realities) (intuition)
Brian wilson claims LSD caused his schizophrenia.
I think hes wrong. My impression is that those who lean S on the spectrum not only take more hard drugs but are effected more by them chemically.
I have no doubt if I dropped acid or smoked weed regularly I will turn psychotic.
Not everyone who drops acid turns psychotic for the rest of their lives. Wilson’s psychiatrists have not understood his baseline. He is a very creative musician. I would be shocked he didn’t lean S.
The effect of acid is to dis-inhibit and loosen the neuro receptors of dopamine in the brain.
This is why anti-psychotic drugs do the opposite to help patients. For similar reasons I drink decaf coffee and have stopped taking NAC long ago.
I would hypothesise that if you wanted to get a sense of how a schizo thinks for a few moments, one should drop LSD. But your personality type will effect whether you get hallucinatory or paranoid delusions. Imagine always being buzzed like that.
I tried cocaine a few times. It does nothing for me except make me grind my teeth. At best it feels like spraying air freshener in my head. My mind is always racing otherwise, even with anti-psychotics and HTP 5 in my system to dampen things.
I only really feel normal after imbibing alcohol. When I drink enough whiskey I get my aura back. I feel like i did 5 years ago pre onset. I don’t obsess anymore. My worries are like a weird memory. But I cannot become an alcoholic.
My mind is my Fermat’s last theorem. I have to find a real cure.
Yeah right! You’re funny!😂
but not funny haha.
if you were a genuine schizo i know the real cure.
but peepee won’t approve this comment. that’s just the way lesbians are. sad!
desert island, 3 months, no money, no people, just you eking it out.
even the most psychotic will be cured.
it does have to be tropical though. an island in the alaska panhandle or chile archipelago won’t do. too cold. you might die. bring a gun and fishing gear.
so many s pacific islands and if you can hitch a ride on a yacht you could do one of the chagos/oil islands.
it’s the cure that pills and talk can’t give.
for one thing your diet would change abrubtly to mostly meat. lots of crab meat i expect. with the gun bird meat. with the fishing gear fish.
in the old days plenty was the norm. hours worked per day were half what they are today…at most.
lots of crab meat.
for XX and XY national populations, according to wikipedia the smallest difference in avg height is 6 cm. the largest is 17.8 cm.
the largest difference is in bolivia. the smallest is in nigeria.
when i was a youngin, i took a multivitamin every day. i also ate a milk shake with banana, avacado, and a vitamin powder.
Still don’t work…
it depends on the quality of the multi
i always get blood work done after using a supplement to see if its actually working on not
99% of sups are garbage but some are great for optimum performance
1. Iodine
2. a B-Complex
3 D3 ( i live in a cloudy place)
yeah. apparently it “still don’t work”.
just pointing out that in terms of material support my parents were very keen.
and by “material” i don’t mean money, i mean nutrition.
i also took a fluoride pill every day.
two cavities…so far.
but lots of people my age have had none.
ben kingsley vs christopher hitchens and milo yiannopolis.
Kingsley stated in 1994: “I’m not Jewish… and though there might be some Russian-Jewish heritage way back on my mother’s side, the thread is so fine there’s no real evidence”.[15][16]
yet peepee still believes milo is jewish and gay.
sad!
it’s subtle.
but that i can see this is complimenting myself.
milo is very NOT gay.
Only reallosers pay attention for this guy, Lilo.
PP,
do you think electricity may contribute to ”Flynn Effect”**
People with more time to use their brains than when slept when night came*
of course
just speculayting…
What do you think the average IQs of major civilizations were? This question is for either Santaculto or PumpkinPerson.
I don’t know of course, i will …. speculate:
Avg IQ of avg people on
Ancient Greece/ Rome [for example]: similar to current USA* or little less* 95*
I think since appearance of first big civilizations instead progressively/linearly increasing, intelligence has increased and decreased.
Current stupidity of neo-leftism aka gramscism seems similar to Christianism as well to greek Pantheism [repetition of the same creepy panis/circensis]. In terms of behavior and capacity to follow rules [civilized behavior], i no see enormous difference between current americans and ancient greeks. Maybe in this societies social differences were enormous and reflect real [psycho] cognitive differences. But it’s mean for example, pre-revolutionary France was quite stupid because seems many people were quite poor and since post-revolutionary France by miracle french people becAme smarter, but sometimes or often, ”smarter” people can have horrible governments, vide North Korea or China.
We appear to be on avg smarter than this ancient people’s because we ”inherited” greater cultural accumulation, or of knowledge than them. I think if many great creative geniuses has appeared since that ancient times, so seems unlikely at least the avg citizen would be ”dumber”.
SantOc..
Would be ”dumber” … than today.
I look like 90% of the time like captain data but I thought it was an attitude. People say either I look always sad or that I’m very expressive, perhaps because of the 10%.
On GMAT
I went to a free Kaplan session to see the GMAT life. i did some online test who are too easy. Kaplan free test was much harder . I got a 780. The guy told me I didnt need the training and that reading their book was enough. He offered me the book for free and a book of the Gmac with real test. The book is very interesting but a bit harder and a bit different to the real test. I am wondering if it would be interesting for me to read them entirely and try to get a perfect score.
Then the most interesting part was the cosch show. I loved it. The guy has done MIT sloan. He is american. I dont remember if he looks guido/chinese or Indian. But he asked people why they want to do an MBA ? I was embarassed because I don’t . I said money. Then he said yes. You are my first french who recognizes that. Then, he took out o his pocket like 50 * 200 euros notes, and said that s why you want to do an MBA. If he had showed his penis, the effect wouldn’t have been greater. It was so refreshing. I loved the experience.
We were 7. All had master level grades. Average score was 590 said the coach. He promised that the average could go to 690/700. I think it true because the test was 50 points harder and training could give 50 more points easily (when possible).
Another interesting aspect of Kaplan office in Paris is I discovered lots of asian/indian/jews/nerds who are studying stem at french university (not really prestigious here, because engineering schools get it all) that prepares for the MCAT to go study medicine in the USA. Preparation is intense and Kaplan gives them loads of material. One guy told me they could study for one year 60 hours a week without going twice through the same material. It appears that with a good score and good grades at university (easy) they can joing good MD programs. They were sweating. The test is bio, chem+ physics and verbal IQ. It looks more knowledge base than aptitude for stem.
I’m starting to think illuminaticat is an elaborate troll. I sometimes kick myself I didn’t invent a personality like that. There is a goldmine of material there.
Illuminaticat, you have aspergers. Its not even that I’m in doubt. I would say you are the most aspergers commenter here based on your persona here. Of course, you could be a very creative troll. In which case you are not.
I never could find a video on the neurology of Aspergers.
Know anything? (the neurology)
https://osegredo.com.br/2016/06/por-que-os-introvertidos-sao-introvertidos-porque-seus-cerebros-sao-diferentes/
[translate if you want, LOL, basically: introverts appear to be/are on avg superior than extroverts]
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/07/secrets-of-the-creative-brain/372299/
I remember reading in somewhere on hbd-zone some-one quoting Havellock Ellis study, and yup, seems a good but not reasonably precise study about eminence…
Is Zootopia RACIST!? – Wisecrack Edition
The dem party is going to go extinct.
Between the jewish parasite making them say ridiculous nonsense about russia on their brain and their weird fascination with replacing americans with third world thrash, this party has no future. It is closer to a purer expression of neoconservativism than even Bush was if you can believe it,
it made no difference in my state, but even if it had i have no regret in voting for trump.
authenticity vs competence.
would that the two could be one.
but as long as they must differ i go with authenticity.
The media calls McCain a ‘maverick’ because he wants to open borders to third world waves of masses contra his party. Any other matter he votes with Zion.
[rest of comment redacted by pp, July 27, 2017]
Yo, meLo friendo, where you at? Want your thoughts on that.
bogle is right about mutual funds with a few exceptions like the vg fund VGHCX.
but CEFs can be a very good deal.
brooks brothers and the canadian firm hudson’s bay are the only betters of LL Bean.
where’s my link to bogle peepee?
i should say however that the ideas of maths are not hard to get…not for me.
what’s hard to get is the expression of these ideas by mathematicians.
if only mathematicians could write maths would be a lot easier.
but the purpose of posting my non-existent grindr profile was…
tall is good but only up to 6’3″ after which less attractive even to tall women.
men already have yuge cocks compared to other primates. and the distribution is very peaked…excluding chinamen. apparently i’ve seen more porn than g-man…or i’m measuring wrong. i could do porn. because you don’t need to be that big to do porn.
peepee is very fond of linear extrapolation.
but in terms of sexual measurements there’s an optimum.
more is less at after a certain point.
https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/25/no-such-thing-as-a-gifted-child-einstein-iq
Wendy B….
yeah…
from a purely physical perspective white women should dig black guys.
why deny the obvious?
peepee refuses to admit that black men can be sexy.
sad!
No when I was in high school I overheard a white girl sitting behind me say to her friend “he’s so FUCKEN GORGEOUS” about an EXTREMELY black guy in the class, but he was a tall athlete with a shaved head and would make the girls laugh by imitating a robot 24/7. I agree black men have more genitalia and athleticism, but sadly there’s still a large chunk of the population that finds the DEFINING physical traits of hardcore blacks repulsive (i.e. black skin, kinky hair, big lips, prognathous face) and for these, black sexual endowment only makes their revulsion stronger.
the problem with male sex symbols is that they’ve been chosen by men…it’s a man’s world…
and the men so chosen will then be gay men’s choice or the choice of straight men…
women don’t know what they want anyway…so men’s choice is better!
so there ladies!
i think afro would claim that prognathism and dark skin are more manly.
skin color is irrelevant, but i saw louis theroux with an egyptian and an african american. they told him he looked like a girl.
i could see it.
prognathism and dark skin are more manly.
As you have implied, the relationship between manliness and attractiveness is curvilinear, not linear, so in some ways blacks might be “too manly” for many women
But philosopher is correct that the media’s influence can not be underestimated. If the media decided short fat bald old men were sexy, pretty soon a lot of women would be into them.
there is an optimum, and this optimum is much less than the extreme.
as far men go (santo’s gayness may differ)…7″ and 6’3″ is more than enough.
believe it or not there are guys whose dicks are too big.
so there’s the super-hro usain bolt at 6’5″…but look at the ATP…6’2″, 6’1″, 6’1″.
vasily alekseyev was only 6’1″.
as far men go (santo’s gayness may differ)…7″ and 6’3″ is more than enough.
Not if you live in Holland.
The younger generation in Holland averages around 6’1″ for men so 6’3″ would still be in the average range:
All studies were performed in a mid-size city in the north of the Netherlands. The average height for men and women aged in their early 20s in this region is approximately 185.6 and 172.4 cm
and holland has the world’s tallest national population.
the dinaric alps and some tutsi and wodaabe are taller.
but it seems even in the dutch case that above 6’3″ makes on ungainly…
look at pro soccer.
the world’s most popular sport.
the leading goal scorer in the world cup, and my hero, miroslave klose (related to glenn close?) scored almost all of his goal with headers, can do back flips…yet he’s only 6’0″.
the ducth case has been explained as resulting from very sever sexual selection…the dutch were not always tall…but they were never poor or malnuritioned…relative to other europeans…except in ww ii for a brief period.
i expect this sexual selection has maxed out.
the male human frame seems to achieve world records at a height between 5’10” and 6’2″…90% of the time.
it’s even true of the high jump.
they’re not that tall.
the still world record holder from cuba was “only” 6’5″.
not tall for an NBAer.
it seems the “sweet spot” for strength, speed, etc is a pretty narrow range.
the still world record holder from cuba was “only” 6’5″.
6’5″ is WAY above average for a man in most countries, especially Cuba. You’re assuming there’s an optimum height when in reality, it could just be a very imperfect, yet still linear correlation.
fucking stop being stupid!
the point is that OF ALL events the high jump should select the tallest…
and it doesn’t!
There are only so many tall people to go around and there are a lot of other things they could be doing with their life, and height is not the only trait high jump selects for, so people who are +5 SD in high jump would be expected to be much less than +5 SD in height.
of course the blacks in the US are the best of black africans, but…
i’m inclined to agree with jayman.
in general…
black men are the most physically attractive men.
but contra jayman and afro i’d say that the very most attractive men are nw europeans…like brando.
there’s no black equivalent of the young brando. or the young monty clift. or dean.
there never will be.
because there can’t be.
but why is this? it’s not that white men look manlier. no. that’s the point.
the very most attractive people combine manly and womanly in a proportion greater than 0 to infinity.
what make its hard?
it’s not jungle.
what makes it hard?
i missed the biggest clit hard-on of all time.
In some respects white men are more masculine than black men. Much greater facial and body hair and more prominent brow ridges (at least compared to West African men). But i agree on average black men are more masculine. I even asked my mom about this once and she said white men look “too feminine”.
The problem is that masculinity doesn’t = attractiveness. Because if it did, women would be gaga over this dude, but I’m pretty sure they aren’t (except in Australia):