When animals are directly selected for reduced reactive aggression (domestication), either naturally or artificially, they are indirectly selected for other traits too, like depigmentation, floppy ears, shorter muzzles, smaller teeth, docility, smaller brains, more frequent estrous cycles, juvenile behavior and curly tails.
Some scientists believe that the decrease in human brain size that occurred over the last 10,000 years may have been an indirect effect of domestication, but there are two problems with this theory:
- Head size has rapidly rebounded over the 20th century (as has height), suggesting the brain size reduction during the Holocene was perhaps not an evolutionary change, but merely suboptimum nutrition caused by disruption of healthy hunter-gatherer life style in aspiring agriculturalists and the peoples they colonized.
- If humans did self-domesticate ourselves, the evidence suggests it began hundreds of thousands of years ago, not merely in the Holocene, and yet brain size reduction only occurred in the latter.
How might domestication have occurred? One theory is that capital punishment, in which about 15% of the population (usually hyper-aggressive males who were bullying the rest of the tribe) were killed off in a “Revenge of the Nerds” scenario.
The fact that alpha males were such evolutionary losers is very humiliating and painful to commenters like “philosopher” who probably come from a long line of big husky rednecks, so they must convince themselves that nerds were selected for by masters looking for slaves, when in reality, nerds were the authors of their own evolutionary success, and simply murdered the bullies.
Because these alpha-male bullies tend to be very manly men, when their genes are removed, the tribe starts looking less like men and more like little boys.

little boy chimp (left); manly man chimp (right)
This may help explain why early humans looked more like manly chimps while later humans look more like baby chimps. It may also explain why a lot of nerds act more like little boys than grown men, preferring to play video games or play chess, and watch Star Wars or Star Trek instead of pursuing money and sex.
But in the rare cases where nerds do pursue money (i.e. Bill Gates) they often slaughter the alpha male competition in record time because they are so much smarter, particularly if they’re self-aware enough to start their own business instead of trying to climb the corporate ladder which they often lack the charisma to do.
But this leads to a paradox. If domestication reduces brain size and makes people more nerdy, why are nerds smart, and why is there no evidence of brain size reduction until the Holocene (and even that may simply be malnutrition) when other signs of domestication (facial size reduction) occurred hundreds of thousands of years earlier?
One possibility is that modern humans in general and nerds in particular, were shaped by two evolutionary forces: One selecting for less reactive aggression (domestication) and the other selecting for intelligence, and the latter prevented brain size from shrinking.
For more information about this topic, please see the following video:
“How might domestication have occurred? One theory is that capital punishment, in which about 15% of the population (usually hyper-aggressive males who were bullying the rest of the tribe) were killed off in a “Revenge of the Nerds” scenario.
The fact that alpha males were such evolutionary losers is very humiliating and painful to commenters like “philosopher” who probably come from a long line of big husky rednecks, so they must convince themselves that nerds were selected for by masters looking for slaves, when in reality, nerds were the authors of their own evolutionary success, and simply murdered the bullies.”
Problems, while we indeed increased in neotony we’ve also gained narrower faces and more pronounced chins, those being peramorphic in contrast as well as longer legs.
These traits would be “mature” rather than infantile.
Also, where do you get the idea based on historical characterization in trends that a “nerd” is interchangeable with “intelligent and less violent” on the whole?
Given how nerds at the extreme are stereotypically bad at social interaction, with humans being social animals, you wouldn’t expect an absolute desirability of nerds over Alpha males.
You point out how the “dominance” nerds have in the rare occassion that they compete…keyword being rare. The “corporate ladder” is still a cognitively demanding and importance aspect of modern infrastructure, and while Gates may be an exceptional one in terms of talent, he was no exception from adapting to the landscape.
Bill Gates was definitely a tech geek, but certainly didn’t behave or start his company “on his own” devoid of Charisma, competition, or Risk taking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Early_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Microsoft
Those traits obviously played a factor in his success.
Also, how would you describe Alpha males? Because if I were to use historical archetypes for ideals, your idea of an Alpha male is closer to a Brute (Say Greek Giants or the majority of Centaurs) and his hordes while ones with VIRTUE like Hercules and similar ones were hardly meek.
Ideals like those in human societies, as they advanced, were far more common than child-like figures. If anything, the latter was discouraged when persisted into adulthood.
Now yes, I do believe that, as a crude spectrum, “Nerd” traits became more prevalent. However, in a simple absolute sense this is inconsistent with historical trends of desired traits and what we observe in human physiology through time if this is to be conflated with child-like qualities into adulthood.
“Revenge of the Nerds” is a fairly recent idea of “justice”, and it’s spread today is mainly because of it appealing to a much larger demographic to serve as a “lens” compared to those who would be both non-violent and “mature”.
More on his managerial skills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Management_style
“As an executive, Gates met regularly with Microsoft’s senior managers and program managers. Firsthand accounts of these meetings describe him as verbally combative, berating managers for perceived holes in their business strategies or proposals that placed the company’s long-term interests at risk.[55][56] He interrupted presentations with such comments “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard!”[57] and “Why don’t you just give up your options and join the Peace Corps?”[58] The target of his outburst then had to defend the proposal in detail until, hopefully, Gates was fully convinced.[57] When subordinates appeared to be procrastinating, he was known to remark sarcastically, “I’ll do it over the weekend.”[59][60][61]”
We can say whatever we want on Bill Gates, that he’s fucking rich, ballsy and stuff. But you won’t meet anyone who thinks he would like to be everything like him or a lady who thinks he’s the perfect man. Many would say that about Donald Trump though.
I was just pointing out more traits of his that doesn’t deviate from “non nerds” who went through the corporate ladder, but again you make an good point.
Even with the recent evaluation of Nerd Status, all it really did was make the demographic itself feel empowered. Otherwise they aren’t a widespread subconscious desire in most people outside of people who achieved very little either in grades or in work, which hardly makes up the bulk of “Alpha Males” if you take into account how far “charisma” still takes people.
Yeah, unless you’re high tech hero, it really sucks to be a nerd, it’s not a ideal at all.
If nerds were ever selected, we could see a worldwide pattern of valuation of nerdy guys (cultural universal as anthropologists call it). But it’s not the case, people prefer alpha men, bad guys or heroes.
Very true, anti heroes are even becoming more prominent in popular media compare to say the majority of the 20th century.
Going by personality, not necessarily intellect, Neanderthals were more “nerdy” in regards to social interaction as they have been found to live in small groups compared to Sapiens, which I find curiously similar to the population Dynamic between Orangutans and African Apes.
Phil78
Modern humans are nerdier than neanderthals in that we’re much scrawnier & weaker than they were and have lower T and less aggression & violence
We might be more social though but even that’s more of a feminine trait than an alpha male one
The only thing truly alpha about us compared to them is we’re taller & can outrun & outjump them, but who would win in unarmed combat, i know not
Yes, I guess social competence dramatically increased during our evolution. We can’t talk of prehistoric nerds, they did not exist. Communities needed men that could hunt, take part in collective activities and so on.
I wouldn’t say toolmaking is nerdy, craftsmanship is manly. And even if it was nerdy, it took thousands of years for humans to improve tools.
Phil78
Modern humans are nerdier than neanderhals in that we’re much scrawnier & weaker than they were and have lower T and less aggression & violence”
Actually we only lost an absolute physical advantage post agriculture, when dysgenic effects of physique took place. Otherwise the major differences were in specific attributes of raw strength versus speed and agility.
And if you read what I said of neanderthals and social interaction, no, Humans weren’t nerds in comparison.
“We might be more social though but even that’s more of a feminine trait than an alpha male one.”
It’s also less of a Nerd trait as well. And no, it’s not particularly feminine. Preference for Verbal communication perhaps but not working together in competition, would group hunts be feminine then?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938405004099
“The only thing truly alpha about us compared to them is we’re taller & can outrun & outjump them, but who would win in unarmed combat, i know not”
You are saying that Running and Jumping aren’t aspects of male physical prowess?
Between modern Jocks and Nerds, in the extreme sense who wins at those?
Neanderhals were more masculine overall. They were higher on the most stereotypically masculine traits like brute strength, aggression, testosterone, muscle mass and big jaws
Socializing is probably more feminine overall given the lower rates of female autism & the fact that women have more friends.
Also, Trends towards our modern Musculoskeletal system is involved in aggressive competition. So no, Alpha developments.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4736035/
I saw this list of most attractive actors . There are all very domestication – theory- adequate :
Brad Pitt, Ronaldo, Tom Cruise, Johny Depp, Robert Pattinson, David Beckham, Orlando Bloom, Will Smith, Chace Crwford, Wentworth Miller, Zac Efron etc.
I saw this list of most attractive actors . There are all very domestication – theory- adequate
Yes, one of the biggest disappointments manly men experience is discovering that women are just not that into them
Many live in denial convincing themselves that women must want them & turn violent when rejected for more domesticated guys
To Afro,
“I wouldn’t say toolmaking is nerdy, craftsmanship is manly. And even if it was nerdy, it took thousands of years for humans to improve tools.”
I don’t believe I mentioned tool manufacture of neanderthals, but with that said they weren’t particular better than early humans in that regard to begin with.
To PP,
So lets see, you include child-likeness, Femininity, and Nerdiness.
Problems, who work together better, mature adults of children? Who are more often in social events and groups, introverted Nerds or like minded extroveted Alphas?
Who are more likely to be driven to kill to do what is necessary, a Woman or Man?
Phil78
I mentioned in the article that i think there were at least 2 somewhat opposing major selection factors that shaped our species:
1) Domestication which made us less manly
2) Selection for intelligence (and related traits) which made us less childlike cognitively
I don’t believe I mentioned tool manufacture of neanderthals,
I didn’t say you mentioned it. I just brought it up cause many people would erroneously believe Silicon Valley Geeks are the descendants of prehistoric toolmakers. They ain’t, mechanics are.
“Neanderhals were more masculine overall. They were higher on the most stereotypically masculine traits like brute strength, aggression, testosterone, muscle mass and big jaws.”
Yet lack chins, were Short mainly in due to leg length, had wider faces and I’ve already shown to you we have our body shape from aggressive competition.
Explain how that was influenced by females who have weaker versions of those traits compared to men.
“Socializing is probably more feminine overall given the lower rates of female autism & the fact that women have more friends.”
I believe Melo already talked to you about distinguishing traits from Disorders.
Also, you are bringing up Childishness, Nerdiness, and feminity, each different in terms of what you would expect in competition. Also I’ve already shown to you why actual Data makes the gender association of “socializing” conditional context.
I’ve also deconstructed your “Nerd” ideal above in my first comment
* conditional on context
For instance, didn’t men hunt in groups?
Bruno, only teenage girls have crushes for those guys. When a lady wants a man, she’s not looking for a cutie.
And yes phil78, I forgot to mention it but violence is a central part of human nature. I mentioned hunting but fighting ability was obviously selected for as the weakest guys would be erased from evolution whereas winners would gain prestige and resources. Just think of France, the last duel was fought by ministers in the 1980s iirc. In the past it was a perfectly legal way to settle disputes.
To Basically paint a picture on my point on why I made the analogy with Chimps and Orangutans, here’s why.
Chimps, despite being our closest relatives, are more violent than orangutans. Bonobos are even closer and are less “violent”, but still hunt smaller primates. as well.
Orangutans in turn live with far less individuals resulting in less aggression until mating. Avoiding aggression, alpha or nerd?
http://animals.mom.me/orangutans-aggressive-11047.html
https://www.livescience.com/9601-bonobos-hunt-primates.html
Bonobos, rather than violent, are sex driven to reduce it. That is certainly not “nerdy”.
Therefore, it is highly suspected that in competition with neanderthals we used that socialization to our advantage.
https://www.livescience.com/20798-humans-prevailed-neanderthals.html
“And yes phil78, I forgot to mention it but violence is a central part of human nature. I mentioned hunting but fighting ability was obviously selected for as the weakest guys would be erased from evolution whereas winners would gain prestige and resources. Just think of France, the last duel was fought by ministers in the 1980s iirc. In the past it was a perfectly legal way to settle disputes.”
No disagreements.
“I mentioned in the article that i think there were at least 2 somewhat opposing major selection factors that shaped our species:
1) Domestication which made us less manly
2) Selection for intelligence (and related traits) which made us less childlike cognitively”
No, you said that intelligence selected against making the brain small, if anything you used the more child-like nature of Nerds to prove your point on neotony.
2) Selection for intelligence (and related traits) which made us less childlike cognitively”
No, you said that intelligence selected against making the brain small, if anything you used the more child-like nature of Nerds to prove your point on neotony.
It’s the same point. Domestication would have made us dumber by giving us a more childlike brain (both in size & function), if not for the selection for intelligence.
“And yes phil78, I forgot to mention it but violence is a central part of human nature. I mentioned hunting but fighting ability was obviously selected for as the weakest guys would be erased from evolution whereas winners would gain prestige and resources. ”
Because alpha-selection was a main selector in our evolutionary history
Yes, I believe prehistoric communities had a gang-like organization. With a strong and charismatic leader and docile followers that would advertise their manly worth frequently to rank closer to the leader on the social ladder.
Phil and RR, can you guys take a look at this paper
Most theories of human mental evolution assume that selection favored higher intelligence and larger brains, which should have reduced genetic variance in both. However, adult human intelligence remains highly heritable, and is genetically correlated with brain size. This conflict might be resolved by estimating the coefficient of additive genetic variance (CVA) in human brain size, since CVAs are widely used in evolutionary genetics as indexes of recent selection. Here we calculate for the first time that this CVA is about 7.8, based on data from 19 recent MRI studies of adult human brain size in vivo: 11 studies on brain size means and standard deviations, and 8 studies on brain size heritabilities. This CVA appears lower than that for any other human organ volume or life-history trait, suggesting that the brain has been under strong stabilizing (average-is-better) selection. This result is hard to reconcile with most current theories of human mental evolution, which emphasize directional (more-is-better) selection for higher intelligence and larger brains. Either these theories are all wrong, or CVAs are not as evolutionarily informative as most evolutionary geneticists believe, or, as we suggest, brain size is not a very good index for understanding the evolutionary genetics of human intelligence.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606001073
To PP,
“It’s the same point. Domestication would have made us dumber by giving us a more childlike brain (both in size & function), if not for the selection for intelligence.”
Except for you explaining how Modern Nerds (the product of both those forces) are more childlike.
Also, as for socializing being for female, explain to me why in a like-minded group setting, T increases for both?
“Yes, one of the biggest disappointments manly men experience is discovering that women are just not that into them
Many live in denial convincing themselves that women must want them & turn violent when rejected for more domesticated guys.”
And Sexy male Celebrities, usually with developed chins narrow faces and sexual charisma, are associated with the Nerd Archetype?
BTW, you do understand Beckham is an athlete, right? In a sport that would prefer peramorphic traits that increased over the course of Human evolution?
Just a few on the list to make the point, would you guess nerd or Alpha and why?
Again, you are using multiple concepts. It really only dampens the idea of Nerd equal domesticated exclusively.
To Afro,
“I didn’t say you mentioned it. I just brought it up cause many people would erroneously believe Silicon Valley Geeks are the descendants of prehistoric toolmakers. They ain’t, mechanics are.”
Ah, my mistake.
“Yeah, unless you’re high tech hero, it really sucks to be a nerd, it’s not a ideal at all.”
Exactly.
Except for you explaining how Modern Nerds (the product of both those forces) are more childlike.
More childlike in their physical and sexual development because of domestication, but more adult in smarts because of selection for intelligence.
Also, as for socializing being for female, explain to me why in a like-minded group setting, T increases for both?
Don’t know, but it’s still widely believed women have better social skills and more empathy and less autism and more friends etc.
Maybe it’s just a stereotype, or maybe men and women are good at different kinds of socializing.
But it doesn’t matter because the social nature of our species may have been more related to selection for intelligence than selection for domestication. The primary reason why modern humans are so social is the complexity of our language, so this too is a nerd trait.
And Sexy male Celebrities, usually with developed chins narrow faces and sexual charisma, are associated with the Nerd Archetype?
Didn’t say women preferred nerds either. They like guys with a mix of nerdy and alpha traits. Too extreme in either direction turns them off. Nerds are smart and humble enough to realize this. Alphas are in denial and women laugh at them in bars. Nerds also laugh at them, but behind their back for fear of getting beaten up.
“Yes, I believe prehistoric communities had a gang-like organization. With a strong and charismatic leader and docile followers that would advertise their manly worth frequently to rank closer to the leader on the social ladder.”
Yeah, Jumping to a leadership position wouldn’t be expected of a low T nerd.
To Afro,
Regarding that study, that seems to be in line with what RR has been posting on Brain size and IQ.
Little nerdy boys…
LOL.
To Afro,
That is regarding him asserting a moderate association in IQ, regarding the “average is better” result I’m unsure what to make of it.
The general direction though is trying to tie this to our brain size decrease from Hunter Gatherers to Farmers and how socialization effect that.
https://phys.org/news/2011-02-brains-smarter.html
Replace “different intelligence” with expertise, that is the genetic capacity to store knowledge and brain plasticity, then we might be on to something closer towards. RR’s contentions on the subject.
Meh, I don’t know lol. I think if evolution found a way to expand intelligence without increasing brain size it would have favored this option since a big brain is costly and hard to deliver at birth.
becks and pitt are pure european.
that jew boy is conspicuously NOT.
“More childlike in their physical and sexual development because of domestication, but more adult in smarts because of selection for intelligence.”
No, you clearly referred to mental attributes in the article.
“Don’t know, but it’s still widely believed women have better social skills and more empathy and less autism and more friends etc.”
I’ve heard of communicative skills, but as I elaborated further in certain traditional context Males cooperating isn’t unsual or necessarily female.
“Maybe it’s just a stereotype, or maybe men and women are good at different kinds of socializing.
But it doesn’t matter because the social nature of our species may have been more related to selection for intelligence than selection for domestication. The primary reason why modern humans are so social is the complexity of our language, so this too is a nerd trait.”
Explain how you would develop a complex language BEFORE becoming social? The two are related, but the way you are explaining it doesn’t make sense.
And no, socializing is generally a non-nerd trait, having complex vernacular is a different but occasionally related idea. That’s not even considering how many times you switched between “nerd” and female attributes.
“Didn’t say women preferred nerds either.”
My point was that you weren’t consistent with what archetype “domesticated” conformed to, Children, Nerds, or Women?
You used them as a model for the trends in self domestication, but didn’t take into account that using the stereotype alone leads to various inconsistencies.
“They like guys with a mix of nerdy and alpha traits. Too extreme in either direction turns them off. Nerds are smart and humble enough to realize this. Alphas are in denial and women laugh at them in bars. Nerds also laugh at them, but behind their back for fear of getting beaten up.”
And what do you think that will tell you about the type of people selected for? A nerd isn’t going to be useful in organizing groups if he’s low T, that is essential for status seeking at least in a primitive setting.
Intermediates, as you describe them, would be the best. That Also conforms to ideals held in general societies that became more and more complex.
BTW, where do you get the idea that nerds are smart and humble while Alphas are in denial? Is that stereotype from your exposure/ experience, or an actual social experiment?
Granted, it make SENSE for Alphas to be disheartened if they are Hyper aggressive (depends on how you define an “Alpha” as it isn’t as concrete as you make it), but given Nerds are another extreme who are stereotypically low in self esteem, chances are “understanding” doesn’t equal “healthily accepting it” if we link Nerd introversion to suicide.
Rushton noted with “Alphas”, Hyper masculine traits he observed in blacks results in less suicide, page 153.
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jp-rushton-race-evolution-behavior-unabridged-1997-edition.pdf?mobiright-demo=anchor,anchor
Also, if Asians are to serve as Nerds due to your past contentions on K selection, his work agrees with the stereotype of sociability being low in nerds.
“More childlike in their physical and sexual development because of domestication, but more adult in smarts because of selection for intelligence.”
No, you clearly referred to mental attributes in the article.
But intelligence wasn’t one of those mental attributes.
“Don’t know, but it’s still widely believed women have better social skills and more empathy and less autism and more friends etc.”
I’ve heard of communicative skills, but as I elaborated further in certain traditional context Males cooperating isn’t unsual or necessarily female.
But social behavior is stereotypically more of a female trait, so the fact that Neanderthals were supposedly less social than modern humans doesn’t mean they weren’t more alpha. In fact, so many alpha males are loners.
Explain how you would develop a complex language BEFORE becoming social?
Both humans and Neanderthals were probably sufficiently social to develop a complex language.
And no, socializing is generally a non-nerd trait
It’s also generally a non-alpha male trait. Alpha-males are more known for fighting other men than befriending them.
My point was that you weren’t consistent with what archetype “domesticated” conformed to, Children, Nerds, or Women?
The answer is children from what I’ve read. So if humans self-domesticated, we’d expect them to have become more childlike. The one exception is our brains got bigger and smarter because of selection for intelligence.
The combination of being childlike yet intelligent, strikes me as a nerdy profile, hence I think it’s reasonable to say humans became nerdier as we evolved. But nerdiness is not a well defined scientific concept so your objections are understandable.
And what do you think that will tell you about the type of people selected for? A nerd isn’t going to be useful in organizing groups if he’s low T, that is essential for status seeking at least in a primitive setting.
But T levels dropped as we became modern humans
Rushton noted with “Alphas”, Hyper masculine traits he observed in blacks results in less suicide, page 153.
And higher self-esteem. That’s what caused me to speculate nerds are more humble
Also, if Asians are to serve as Nerds due to your past contentions on K selection, his work agrees with the stereotype of sociability being low in nerds.
Although Rushton also claimed Mongoloids had the highest social organization so you could argue it from both sides
Phil, Rushton is wrong on suicide: the world’s top 5 countries by suicide rate are Sri-Lanka, Guyana, Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Cote d’Ivoire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Males commit suicide more than females everywhere though.
And yeah, Nerds have self esteem issues. Most wouldn’t be nerds if they could be something else. I have some friends who were ex nerds, they were bullied and no girl would look at them in high school They became social and good looking in college and they would never get back to the old them.
actually the behavior of white folk is un-mysterious…
when…
one admits european supremacy.
so all the wars in europe are wars between the humans.
outside europe there are no humans.
thus WWI and WWII make sense.
the middle one is on steroids big time.
He used to have an extremely feminine facial type but after the roids his jawline changed dramatically.
To PP,
That british survey was talking about how many friends in adulthood they knew since school.
That doesn’t really tell you much on the difference in which men are capable at cooperating.
I however, address that condition in response the Cat below.
Immaturity is a huge turn off for women. That’s why they prefer older men. Women like men that they can look up to and the alpha type is the materialization of it.
“But intelligence wasn’t one of those mental attributes.”
And yet they still had those child-like traits according to you.
“But social behavior is stereotypically more of a female trait, so the fact that Neanderthals were supposedly more social than modern humans doesn’t mean they weren’t more alpha. In fact, so many alpha males are loners.”
Reread what I actually said about neanderthals, then get back to me.
My point is that I’ve repeated demonstrated who socializing in the context of humans in competition wasn’t necessarily feminine and why your source doesn’t indicate otherwise.
“Both humans and Neanderthals were probably sufficiently social to develop a complex language.”
Then that woulnd’t mean that they developed a complex langauge first, would.
“It’s also generally a non-alpha male trait. Alpha-males are more known for fighting other men than befriending them.”
Not in Human male jocks, they often socialize with eachother.
“The answer is children from what I’ve read. So if humans self-domesticated, we’d expect them to have become more childlike. The one exception is our brains got bigger and smarter because of selection for intelligence.
The combination of being childlike yet intelligent, strikes me as a nerdy profile, hence I think it’s reasonable to say humans were selected for nerdiness. But nerdiness is not a well defined scientific concept so your objections are understandable.”
So unless you can ground it actual developmental terms or have a comprehensive list of all traits that elevated during this process, I would advise against using such terms to begin with.
“But T levels dropped as we became modern humans.”
In the context of growth, yes, but that didn’t negate it’s usefulness for success in the social environment in dominance.
“And higher self-esteem. That’s what caused me to speculate nerds are more humble.”
And why I doubt nerds would be “Cool” with being on the other unattractive extreme.
“Although Rushton also claimed Mongoloids had the highest social organization so you could argue it from both sides.”
Which in turn came from centuries enforcing authority’s dominance, so that in turn shows how poor a “nerd” is to describe the traits involved in self domestication in a comprehensive sense.
To Afro,
Trust me, I didn;t actually perceive Rushton as accurate in realistic settings, I just considered him a decent source for stereotype sense few of us are arguing on objective establish traits.
“But intelligence wasn’t one of those mental attributes.”
And yet they still had those child-like traits according to you.
They have some child-like mental traits like interest in video games and Star Wars, but their intelligence is not child-like as I stated.
My point is that I’ve repeated demonstrated who socializing in the context of humans in competition wasn’t necessarily feminine and why your source doesn’t indicate otherwise.
But you argued it was evidence that modern humans are more alpha than Neanderthals. I disagree because the way Neanderthals hunted (thrusting spears into large game at close range) was a lot more stereotypically manly than throwing projectile weapons from a distance.
Not in Human male jocks, they often socialize with eachother.
Nerds socialize with each other too. Think of Star Trek conventions and chess clubs.
So unless you can ground it actual developmental terms or have a comprehensive list of all traits that elevated during this process, I would advise against using such terms to begin with.
In terms of development, domesticated animals are more childlike, according to scientists, yet they also say that modern humans are more intelligent.
I think we can agree on that point, your main problem is me using the term “nerdy” to describe the combination of childlike yet intelligent, and the term “alpha” to describe, the more wild and manly physique, face and behavior of pre-moderns. I understand your objections because the terms “nerdy” and “alpha” mean many different things to many different people, but I like to use such terms sometimes given how obsessed people are with them in the HBD-o-sphere.
Actual scientists don’t say nerdy vs alpha, however they do say masculine vs feminine when describing how modern humans evolved in the last few hundred thousand years. Do you object to this terminology also?
I actually think it’s more accurate to say we became nerdy than to say we became feminine.
Half the guys in Hollywood take steroids.
“They have some child-like mental traits like interest in Video games and Star Wars, but their intelligence is not child-like as I stated.”
I spoke nothing of their intelligence, but their personality.
“But you argued it was evidence that modern humans are more alpha than Neanderthals. I disagree because the way Neanderthals hunted (thrusting spears into large game at close range) was a lot more stereotypically manly than throwing projectile weapons from a distance.”
“More” Alpha? My point, since my original comment, was that you barely described “alpha” on objective terms and how traits homo had were more characterisitc of non nerds , if not alphas, than nerds.
I wasn;t challenging whether or not Sapiens or neanderthals were more Alpha.
“Nerds socialize with each other too. Think of Star Trek conventions and chess clubs.”
Yeah for pleasure, not in class to work with others. Nerds, on average, are introverts who often work solitude in contrast to non nerds who are more likely to extroverts in comparison.
What about time communicating with others, participating in more general social events, team working in general. Jock or Nerd?
“In terms of development, domesticated animals are more childlike, according to scientists, yet they also say they modern humans are more intelligent.”
Alright
“I think we can agree on that point, your main problem is me using the term “nerdy” to describe the combination of childlike yet intelligent, and the term “alpha” to describe, the more wild and manly physique and behavior of pre-moderns. I understand your objections because the terms “nerdy” and “alpha” mean many different things to many different people, but I like to use such terms sometimes given how obsessed people are with them in the HBD-o-sphere.”
Personally I care more about scientifically reflective analogies than catering to the black & white mindsets bloggers.
“Actual scientists don’t say nerdy vs alpha, however they do say masculine vs feminine when describing how modern humans evolved in the last few hundred thousand years. Do you object to this terminology also?”
Not necessarily, mainly due to the role of sexual selection influencing human evolution.
The problem however is that Humans are still sexually dimorphic, likely more so than our ancestors. Thus, in referencing to my point of our non-feminine peramorphic traits, masculinity as a quality I believed changed as well.
“I actually think it’s more accurate to say we became nerdy than to say we became feminine.”
In the best of senses, I believe we became less like lustful brutish Centaurs, and more like reserved ideals of man held in ancient times, be it Hercules or any other Hero.
The difference is that I have a clear cultural reference that was used to define “human” traits and undesirable ones.
The humanoids that had poor emotional control were killed because it was dangerous to the social and physical survival of the group. Tribes with the best emotional control gained more intelligence and outbred the groups who could not organize well. (because their emotional problems decreased their intelligence). Only after the technology was invented after farming began, did humans start education in cities and then nerds appeared. Alpha males have excellent emotional control. They are most like hunters (women being gatherers). They are the cowboy in the wild west and survivalists. Nerds favor learning and cool things. Schools are a selection mechanism for the brightest students. But alpha males are not dumb. Alpha males have acute perception and emotional control. That is useful for achieving goals. It is persistence and high motivation. Personality is based in emotion. People are attracted to peoples and activities because of it. Emotion was a driving force in the evolution of intelligence.
“Half the guys in Hollywood take steroids.”
Meaningless. You still need to bust your ass in the gym and diet your ass off.
To PP,
Now that I think about it, humans, at least monogamous ones, are likely very reflective of the reduced violence of Sapiens by selection of more cooperative and involved mates and other members which is very close to Bonobos.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22038769
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16323189
So they are probably the best example, “lovers” instead of “fighters”. Both however, realistically, would have to be providers and T would be helpful regardless.
That’s why T still influence male status and mating positively in long term resident Bonobos
Click to access Marshall-Hohmann-2005-Bonobo-T.pdf
Cortisol, a hormone that participates in aggression control when interacting with T, also correlated with Rank, but this time in general (including immigrant Bonobos) with males when in the presence of females.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294220/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22565126
This is also consistent with this observation as well as the low rank of aggressive immigrant chimps in the other studies , that, aggression was correlated within male rank, however it was low ranking and normal less aggressive chimps who, when aggressive with females, had higher spikes in T which made them unattractive as mates.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347211005495
If, likely, similar to humans in cortisol and T, control of those emotions were likely what was selected for Bonobos to lead to their modern differences with Chimps.
As a source of socialization differing, interacting in those social events is reported higher in extroverts (more likely Alpha) than Introverts (more likely Nerds, since Chess is a one on one game to begin with).
It wasn’t revenge of the nerds. The alphas became master and tried to stop other alphas becoming master. So master whipped as many as possible.
I never said I was a redneck or a KKK follower or a white supremacist. [rest of comment redacted by pp, June 23, 2017]
However the effects of domestication on physiognomy is quite interesting to see. I was unaware of this literature. I forgot animals get a lot of the socialisation patterns we do.
I never said you said it. I’m saying I’m saying you come from a long line of very tribal, aggressive & masculine men who resent being usurped by scrawny nerds like bill gates
My speculation
Its a good life – twilight zone.
That’s correct, East Asians are very juvenile from this domestication process, but blacks are juvenile too, because of their lower IQs and lack of domestication. Too little or too much test is no good.
Is this another r/k selection process that Melo can elaborate?
I’m reading comments about East Asians feeling suppressed by White people, with respect to their rightful duty in this world: Citing that they should be the most dominant people on the planet. It’s delusional to say the least.
Not only have East Asians suppressed their own people, they have done very little with their intelligence.
Pumpkin, your lovely view about the market place called America where different kinds of people fight and haggle over petty stuff is right on point.
“East Asians are very juvenile from this domestication process,but blacks are juvenile too, because of their lower IQs and lack of domestication”
Blacks are juvenile in the sense that they have less impulse control and East asians are juvenile in personality and physical features.
“Is this another r/k selection process that Melo can elaborate?”
Yes, while most of the regs here will probably argue over the “Jock vs nerd” bullshit like prepubescent/ children I’ll actually address some of Pumpkin’s curiosities.
“One selecting for less reactive aggression (domestication) and the other selecting for intelligence, and the latter prevented brain size from shrinking.”
This is called neoteny Pumpkin. It is selected for in human populations because of an increased need for neuro plasticity. Plasticity allows an organism to biologically bend to outward environmental pressures. Essentially short term adaptation, like intelligence. The need for less aggression stems from a higher need of parental investment from both parents, females select men with less archaic features because it signals that they will be more caring fathers. The reason we have become more K selected over our evolution is because learning from generation to generation has become an enormously integrated part of our cognitive potential. The ability to rewire the brain is an essential part of our intelligence.
https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-1428-6_752
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny_in_humans
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/1061736195900063
I knew that neoteny refers to adults retaining the childlike traits of an ancestor but that’s all i know about it
“This is called neoteny Pumpkin. It is selected for in human populations because of an increased need for neuro plasticity. Plasticity allows an organism to biologically bend to outward environmental pressures. Essentially short term adaptation, like intelligence”
You’re describing the theory in Up From Dragons as well. Wikipedia has a good synopsis:
NP + PC + ape mind = human mind
NP + PC + fission-fusion ape social skills = human social symbols
NP + PC + ape sensory and motor skills = human nonsocial symbols
NP + PC + FF ape skills + symbols + 109 hours = contemporary mind
NP + PC + mindware + braintech = future mind
They argue that symbols and mindmakers shaped the human brain. It’s an interesting book with interesting theory and implications, the final chapters are great.
Sorry, NP=neural plasticity, PFC=prefrontal cortex and FF=fission-fusion. I have the book for reference if you have questions.
Well I provided some links.
East asians not only have big brains but they have big brains and small bodies which is a neotenous trait.
Neoteny is a heterochrony which is simply a process of developmental change within a species. They differ by time placements and rates. Human cognition is considered hypermorphic essentially meaning that the maturity of our cognition is delayed compared to apes, but still accelerates at the same rate. The neuroplasiticity of the brain is a hypermorphic trait as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochrony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermorphosis
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047248404000521?via%3Dihub
Ovulation leads women to perceive sexy cads as good dads.
Why do some women pursue relationships with men who are attractive, dominant, and charming but who do not want to be in relationships–the prototypical sexy cad? Previous research shows that women have an increased desire for such men when they are ovulating, but it is unclear why ovulating women would think it is wise to pursue men who may be unfaithful and could desert them. Using both college-age and community-based samples, in 3 studies we show that ovulating women perceive charismatic and physically attractive men, but not reliable and nice men, as more committed partners and more devoted future fathers. Ovulating women perceive that sexy cads would be good fathers to their own children but not to the children of other women. This ovulatory-induced perceptual shift is driven by women who experienced early onset of puberty. Taken together, the current research identifies a novel proximate reason why ovulating women pursue relationships with sexy cads, complementing existing research that identifies the ultimate, evolutionary reasons for this behavior.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22582900
It is selected for in human populations because of an increased need for neuro plasticity. Plasticity allows an organism to biologically bend to outward environmental pressures. Essentially short term adaptation, like intelligence.
Very interesting. The question is how does neuro plasticity compare to goal directed behavioral plasticity (i.e. intelligence) and under what circumstances is the former more useful than the latter. Adults appear to be better at cognitively adapting to novel problems than kids, though the child’s brain might physically adapt more. Perhaps the one areas where kids are genuinely smarter than adults is learning new languages, and this was crucial to human evolution.
But brains got bigger, even though children have smaller brains. On the other hand babies have bigger brains relative to their body size and increased encephalization was a major evolutionary trend.
On the other hand babies have bigger brains relative to their body size and increased encephalization was a major evolutionary trend.
Actually I should have said babies have high brain size/body size ratios, but I don’t know if their brains relative to mammals their size are as big as adult human brains relative to mammals our size which is the true definition of encephalization.
It appears that the r/k selection is the reason why blacks are very creative, and East Asians have none of it.
It appears highly conscientious people are the K types, and as a result, they are less curious and thus, are less creative. Maybe blacks are more curious than East Asians, but their hobbies/interests are very primitive or “low brow”.
It appears highly conscientious people are the K types, and as a result, they are less curious and thus, are less creative.
That’s what Rushton believed. He believed that East Asians evolved to have high quality low quantity offspring (K selected) and blacks evolved to have high quantity low quality offspring (r selected) with Caucasoids being in between these extremes. Now obviously such a politically incorrect theory received tons of condemnation from the academic community, but if you believe Rushton in spite of all this criticism, or perhaps because of it, the question becomes why would K people be more conscientious?
Well, if you if you’ve evolved to have high quality, low quantity offspring, you would also be selected for conscientiousness, because each baby you have is so high quality and you have so few, that you must be very careful and cautious with each one. Rushtonites would argue that even today, this explains why East Asians are so cautious and risk-averse, and this makes it hard to come up with bold dangerous ideas that challenge authority and conventional wisdom. It may also explain the stereotype of East Asians being bad drivers.
Rushton also claimed East Asians had the highest levels of mental stability, which he attributed to social organization, since if you only have a few extremely high quality kids, you need a complex stable social structure to keep them alive and raise them to their high potential. However I’ve noted that it helps to be a little prone to psychosis to be creative, and so if East Asians really are so mentally stable, that might impair creativity. Of course low East Asian creativity is just a theory, not a proven fact & MeLo cited evidence that East Asians are more creative which I need to look at.
“js” blacks are not very curious so whites are maxed out on this trait if you know what i mean
Whites are very curious when compared to other races. At university, you rarely have non-Whites studying a field out of passion. They mostly do it for their parents, to be the pride of the family, to make money, etc.
Afro,
“Ovulation leads women to perceive sexy cads as good dads.”
Except that’s bullshit.
“Facial Dimorphism does not show a significant influence on any of the attractiveness measurements. In contrast, previous studies usually performed using measurements of attractiveness and femininity as evaluated by a third party”
“Our meta-analytic test involving 58 independent reports (13 unpublished, 45 published) was largely nonsupportive. Specifically, fertile women did not especially desire sex in short-term relationships with men purported to be of high genetic quality (i.e., high testosterone, masculinity, dominance, symmetry). The few significant preference shifts appeared to be research artifacts.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-012-0229-0
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1047840X.2013.817323?journalCode=hpli20&
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1754073914523073
Don’t worry neotonous does not equal nerd, neither does it equal “nice”. Mongoloids being the most Neotenous actually have less empathy(according to race realist). Even then similar studies to what you cited claim thatt any other time women prefer nice care takers. And as you know, women can get pregnant at anytime, they aren’t restricted to a particular set of days.
Pumpkin,
“The question is how does neuro plasticity compare to goal directed behavioral plasticity (i.e. intelligence) and under what circumstances is the former more useful than the latter.”
They are one in the same, neuroplasiticity is essentially how are brain develops and learns new information like languages, math, and general knowledge.
” Adults appear to be better at cognitively adapting to novel problems than kids, ”
That’s because the connections have already been “solidified”. Intelligence itself is adapting to novel problems so the neural plasticity of adolescent brains is used to form neural connections for that very reason, It’s like how you practice something and get really good at it, but as you get older it becomes harder to master new sets of stimuli sequences, because the brain is no longer as plastic
Alright meLo, I concede. Women’s preferences don’t shift. They always prefer sexy guys.
And yes on neoteny. It means nothing like nerd, or nice. I’m actually a fucking cutie, blacks as a whole look more neotenous than whites yet we’re seldom fragile sheeps. Actually, I think that our tendency to eternally look like teenagers contributes to the threatening young buck stereotype. I myself fall victim of it, many times I came talking to black guys, talking slang and behaving like I would with someone of my age until they told me I’m 40+ with a wife, kids and a Volvo.
“I concede. Women’s preferences don’t shift. They always prefer sexy guys.”
??
“I’m 40+ ”
You are??
Lol no, they told me they were.
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Hyper aggressive males are not alpha males and not all smart people are boyish like nerds.
Assortative mating, group selection, and migration explain allot.
First of all women and men select mates based on personality, most people are local so when they have kids they usually move to the side of the village most like themselves in personality.
As cities get larger and larger governments choose leaders. And education happens.
People need to get jobs and they look for places that need them.
The Romans crucified people that were revolutionaries. The people most likely to survive in Rome never rebelled. Rome made much of Europe civilized, i.e. cities.
The biggest reason for killings were governments at war.
People select by personality and power struggles.
Hitler did not like the Jews.
In the Rwandan genocide, the Hutu did not like the Tutsi
Japan is ranked number 1 as the least violent country.
It is the most homogeneous country, therefore, most everyone shares then the same personality.
Different ethnic groups have different values and personalities. People fight each other if they do not share personal and values.
Muslims believe that it is the individual’s responsibility not to offend others. Individualism in America believes it is the others responsibility not to be offended and have self-control. Muslims in Europ thus say if a woman is raped she was asking for it by they way she dressed. Women in Muslim countries are sent to prison for reporting being raped. This is not what we do in the west. The majority of conservatives hate Muslims for this other reasons. Liberals call conservatives Islamophobic because they do not understand how bad Islam as a religion is. Europeans hate Muslims and the homogeneity of Europe is under attack as some alt-righters say. More violence will happen because of conflicting values. Islam is not compatible with Western values.
Homogeneity is the reason violence goes down. Violence has increased aft the trump election because of the lack of homogeneity between conservatives and liberals.
Different personalities = conflict.
People like to move to the state or country that has the same personality traits as them.
This is why OKQuipid say the best state for me is New Jersy and the worst state is Rhode Island. If I moved to Rhode Island I would be in a really high number of conflicts because people in that state would dislike me extremely.
People like Alex Jones like to move to Texas. People with his personality look violent but together they have respect for each other because they are the same.
People in Silicon Valley are not like people in Texas at all.
Intelligence has nothing to do with being a nerd. What causes violence is when there is no homogeneity of personality. Nerd is a personality type not a level of intelligence. Alpha males can be intelligent and nonviolent. Some people are accepting of differences and others are not accepting of differences. This is completely separate from the difference between people who are conflict avoidant and those who are conflict seeking. I am conflict avoidant and accepting of difference. My opposite is conflict seeking and intolerant of differences. It is almost impossible for these two personalities to coexist.
Conflict avoidance did not make us more intelligent, homogeneity did. Intelligence increases so the group could survive in the wild. Most humans were almost exactly the same as hunter-gatherers. They had no big difference because they all shared the same local land areas. Tribes would interbreed and not really fight because of value or personality differences. Everyone shared the local area. Because of population density increase, personality groups came into existence and conflict. Civilization increased the diversity of personality and the interactions between groups. People segmented into their own collectives.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line
In the context of T, here’s what cast further doubts.
Just looking at the outline of “Nerds” killing “Alpha males”, it doesn’t make sense in a primitive setting. They may, stereotypically , be creative enough to formulate killing methods but would lack the edge to apply them without motivating hormones.
T could, in a random group of diverse people (at least women in the example) create egocentric people in accordance to group status but create conflict, similar to how you describe the beginning process of homogeneity in Civilization.
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2012/01/27/rspb.2011.2523?papetoc=
However it raises in a setting of teammates who likely have common goals.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938405004099
Plus with your point of Governments forming, that is naturally going to attract status seekers who thus likely will have at least ample T.
So basically nowhere in historical competition would a “Nerd” be preferred over a cooperative, like minded Alpha.
I need to say something about my comment on Muslims because Of the message I received.
When Catholics and Protestants went to war it was because of differences belief.
When the civil war happened it was because of differences in belief.
Sharia law is vile to most westerners. Yes Muslims are good people in general but we in the west have enlightenment values. Islam is a religion that condones many things that westerners view as a violation of freedom.
The person who made that comment to me does not understand that if people disagree on values they will fight each other. It’s like calling me a racist for saying Blacks have an IQ of 85. I do not believe blacks are bad people just because their IQ is 85. I do not believe Muslims are bad people for believing in Islam. What I believe is that Islam is a religion that is incompatible with the freedoms we have in the west. That is why westerners dislike Islam. If I moved to a Muslim country I would not have the same freedoms I do in a western country. The person who made the comment puts moral condemnation on me because they don’t understand what I value. They think I hate Muslims just be I am a bad person. It is the mindset of the SJW. Everything is intolerance and bigotry just because they say it is. It is political correctness. I never said Muslims were bad people but all they can say is the Muslims are good people and I am a bigot. This is a simplistic answer and does not explain why people would dislike reach out because of the values they have. He also makes the ignorant assumption that all Muslims are good and does not realize how some Muslim use the Koran to limit the freedoms of others.
Cat, that commenter was just trolling. I redacted the comment so you wouldn’t have to read it but your reading eyes are faster than my redacting fingers
[redacted by pp, June 23, 2017] Jimmy dislikes me for being pro-jew. he believes Jews have brainwashed westerners into hating Muslim. He believes the Jews need the west to fight Muslim so Jews will be safe. Isreal is part of the Western alliance and the CIA are the main people behind the war with Iran. But I know lots of history. Many High-level Nazis were retrieved from Germany to fight the cold war. Many high-level Nazis were occultists. The CIA is not Jewish at all, it is the black sun. Iran is allied with Russia. America wanted to contain the soviet union so the created puppet states all around it. Iraq went rouge and we took Saddam out in 2003. Isreal is enemies with many Muslim countries. But the U.S. is enemies with Russia. So America and Isreal fight those countries allied with Russia. Saudia Arabia is a puppet state of America. But many in Saudia Arabia fund anti-Isreal groups. The main enemy though is Russia. And Israel is an asset in fighting Russia and Muslims working for Russia.
The biggest stupidity I see is in calling the activities of the media and government and Intelligence agencies, Jewish. I am sure some Jews work in those places but I base my understanding of reality on psychology. The personality of those in power in the west is based on American supremacy as a world power. It is not the Jews that control everything. It is the ethnic group of Gentiles who have super high IQ’s and super advanced technology who control the deep state. Because they have the personality of being Alpha. America could not dominate the world if it did not have these Gentiles with the high IQ alpha personality types. That is why the deep state is so powerful, Jews play such a minor role in it. Without understanding that there are at least ten million people who are not Jewish that have IQ’s of at least 130 in America then you cannot understand why the deep state is so powerful. Most propaganda is not Jewish. It is produced by the liberal personality type. Liberal promote anti-racism, liberals are the ones who love diversity. Liberalism is a personality type and it has a neurological basis. The reason for our schools having the books they do is because liberals control academia. Listen if you do not understand the psychology of the liberal you will be misleading. The majority of cultural changes anti-Jewish people think is created by Jews is actually created by liberals. You are delusional if you think that the Jews are in control and not the neurological personality type called the high IQ liberals. (they are 10 million non-Jewish people with IQ’s of 130 in America)
“muslims in Europ thus say if a woman is raped she was asking for it by they way she dressed. Women in Muslim countries are sent to prison for reporting being raped ”
95% of muslims should be deported from the west but what you wrote is complete nonsense .
The idea that women go to jail for reporting rape is probably the most laughable jewish propaganda i have ever heard in my life.
The reason that rape is extremely rare in that part of the world is because even being alone with a non-related women is frowned upon.
99% of what you read in the jewish owned media is either a complete lie or at the very least an amazing exaggeration.
What i find amazing is how kitty can be slavishly pro-jew while anti-muslim?
there wouldn’t be a single muslim in all of christendom if it were not for the jew .
The only guaranteed way to fix the problems we have is to deport all people who are not of european decent and at the top of that list is the jew.
no jews no muslim problem
The reason that the jews are getting away with this game is that within the white gene pool people like kitty are outbreeding our more advanced members.
I am an acquaintance of a redneck evangelical who has 6 children. I also know very smart whites who know everything i know about the jew problem but have no children.
I literally do not know a single person in my peer group who has children. And thats in a peer group with six figure incomes and extremely high SAT scores. .
We are quickly being outbred by the low IQ kittys of this world.
This is why is am so pro-eugenics
many people say that if we have a serious eugenics program then america would become a left wing country that will do even more damage.
Those people don’t know that the most hardcore anti-jew patriots are all left wing
I can not remember how many times i have heard white nationalist leaders support public healthcare.
I remember listening to a David Duke radio show in 2006 where he praised European style healthcare and welfare . That was before anyone had even heard of Obama let alone Obamacare.
Never forget that all unrepentant southern confederates voted democrat
Every single ” racist” i know voted for Obama twice
There are absolutely no downsides from operating a large scale eugenics program that removes all undesirables from our gene pool
jimmy’s particular interest in the peoples of what were islam, qua territory, and his slight unmistakeable incompetence at english…
jimmy is an arab, what he would call a “white arab”.
if the sense of “white” is extended beyond those who are 100% european then…
i think this should mean any non-europeans who look european…so much so that they wouldn’t get a second look in zurich.
there is a very small minority of such people in iran, pakistan, and afghanistan.
the arabian peninsula has no such people.
north africa does. but it’s a very small minority.
zidane is 100% berber.
he looks much more european than most n africans.
but he’s still noticeably non-european.
No, he looks native in most Southern European countries. Iberia, France, Italy and the Balkans have more people like him than they have blond Vikings.
” jimmy’s particular interest in the peoples of what were islam, qua territory ”
what annoys me is seeing people getting manipulated by the jewish media to the point where they make the enemies of the jews their own enemies.
That is not caring about muslims. That is not wanting my country dragged into never ending wars for the cancer that is the jew.
unfortunately it requires either very high IQ or very good instincts to see the game that is being played.
its sad that you have neither
“jimmy is an arab, what he would call a “white arab”. ”
hahahahah
yeah with blue eyes and fair hair .
I must be the craziest arab in the world to offer 2 people on this site to meet me.
When i use white i use it in 2 ways
1. the U.S definition in which everyone who looks white is white.
2. The pure definition which is people of european decent
There are people on my fathers side of the family who do not consider non-protestants to be white.
The KKK used to lynch catholics.
That is the background that my fathers side of the family come from.
Notice that Steinberg didnt respond to me in the other thread but chose this one instead.
my comment was too painful for Steinberg
if you still have doubts about my racial background then [offer to meet Mug of Pee redacted by PP, June 23, 2017]
It will give me an opportunity to see your nose job
“his slight unmistakeable incompetence at english ”
Steinberg tells himself this every night because it makes him feel better about himself.
He has this complex that leads him to believe that anyone who has a better life than him was chosen by an unjust society.
in a just world he would be me
the fact that i take the same care with my comments as i do with my text messages gives him something to run with
” zidane is 100% berber. but he’s still noticeably non-european. ”
Thats because he’s not 100% berber
a pure berber looks like hatim benarfa or Mahrez
I posted the Y-DNA info on berbers a while back .
Notice that the two dominant groups in long distance olympic running are the east africans and north africans.
Its because they have the same genetic origin.
look up a picture of morrocan champions and look at their skin tone.
Jimmy believes sharia law is good.
He supports oppression of women and stoning of adulterers and the chopping off of hand for theft and the killing of people that leave the faith.
Jimmy does not believe in human rights. He supports Islamic tyranny and the persecution of non-extremist Muslims.
blaming the Jews for the propaganda in the media is stupid because the vast majority of media people are white gentiles. The people that should be blamed (if they should?) are the high IQ people with the liberal personality type.
95 percent of what Jimmy and philosopher blame on the Jews come from the ten million liberals with IQs of 130.
“Jimmy believes sharia law is good. ”
Kitty has to be the most retarded person i have ever encountered . its no wonder that women run away from him.
you have to have extremely low verbal IQ to conclude that from my comments.
its worth noting that all the videos you posted were produced by jews.
Normal people do not spend hours making videos entitled ” born to hate jews”
only jews do that.
it is extremely painful to see so many people being fooled by the yids
the most pathetic thing about all of this is that kitty goes all over the internet making excuses for a people who don’t give a damn about him
its so sad
kitty, at 8pm i’ll be having dinner with a blonde called Heidi .
obedience to the ruling class has never been an attractive trait to women
let me know when you find a women who can stand you
When i use white i use it in 2 ways
1. the U.S definition in which everyone who looks white is white.
2. The pure definition which is people of european decent
same way i use it.
there are no yemenis i would ever mistake for european. no saudis either.
“you have to have extremely low verbal IQ to conclude that from my comments.”
You said you wish to deport all Muslims so you must know something is wrong with Islam. Yet you say everything I said was Jewish propaganda. The reason I said you believe sharia law is good is that you are disagreeing with me on what I think is true: that many things are wrong with Islam the Muslim faith. So if you disagree with me you must think the opposite of me, which is that the values Muslim hold is good. If you agree with me that Muslim values are not good or at least unacceptable to Westerners then you bloody well confused me with all the insults you made at me. I am completely sure you would agree with the majority of issues present in those videos but you will not watch them because you think I am really stupid.
You think I am stupid. You really do.
You think woman are not oppressed in Muslim countries.
You think no woman has ever be sent to jail for being raped in a Muslim country.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-jail/index.html
You really are the kind of person to think you are alway right.
Bloody Hell, you do not know how many non-jews control everything at the top.
You think only the Jews promote black people. You are completely ignorant of the facts that millions of non-Jew’s promote black people because of their personality. 76 percent of blacks are Democrats and 60 percent of Democrats are white.
Get this in your head. There are non-jews that promote everything you think Jews promote. It because these whites have the personality you associate with Jews. That is why you call the media the Jewish media, because of these millions of whites with the personality type you hate. The have IQ’s just as high as yours. So stop being ignorant and realize that there are high IQ whites just like you, that promote everything you hate about what you think the Jews are doing. You don’t realize that there are high intelligence whites promote everything you stand against. Don’t ignore this. This is the result of the neurological personality in these high IQ white people.
and afro darling, you’ve already proved your total talentlessness for gestalt.
where’s my second comment peepee?
1. in a just world no one would be you jimmy.
2. your first language is not english.
3. zidane is 100% berber.
Alpha males are often find at the top and at the bottom of society. They are either very successful or complet losers, and sometimes both in a life time. I think it has to do with their all-or-nothing way of seeing the world. They cannot content themselves of a moderate success.
“Alpha males are often find at the top and at the bottom of society. They are either very successful or complet losers, and sometimes both in a life time.”
Whoa… You mean like everyone?
What’s amusing with this theory is that the most evil praedator in our society value, paedophiles, would be the most domesticated ones. It is another explanation for Milo’s falling.
How are pedophiles domesticated?
The attraction for – as the retention of – most juvenile traits are a necessary consequence of domestication.
This theory would also explain why – so paradoxically – most intelligent people are deadly against second amendment – while it is obvious arms protect good people more than bad people : It’s domestication. Maximizing proactive socialized violence while minimizing reacting violence.
afro is a manly chimp.
lesbians have significantly smaller brains than straight women.
PP, can you unmoderate my answer to Jimmy on the other thread? You can’t just decide to cut down conversations that doesn’t concern you like that.
Or then moderate the whole conversation, not just a part of it.
PP, can you unmoderate my answer to Jimmy on the other thread? You can’t just decide to cut down conversations that doesn’t concern you like that.
Sorry about that, but the conversation was moving in a very unhealthy direction so I wanted to cut it off before it got worse.
But I’ll revive a 100% redacted version of your comment so people know you had a response.
This blog is taking enough time. I had a bit of a new years resolution to get off the computer and my testosterone has now flatlined as result of impending disintegration, then using anti psychotics to stave it off, work, stress and ‘domestication’. My gp said i had the test now of an 80 year old man. Cortisol. I should have been hospitalised ages ago maybe. Being fired would be a relief. I nearly lost it with that stupid rich bitch the other day.
As of now im on hiatus . Im sorry pumpkin. All the answers are not on the cereal box. I cant tell the answers again before i do some life plumbing. A mans kingdom is his body.
jesus christ pill…
low t and low libido are a good thing.
unless it entails losing muscle and gaining fat.
there’s dispositive evidence that castration increases life expectancy. but perhaps not by much. and thus it may not be a simple cause and effect relationship.
Epidemiological studies have found that men with low or low normal endogenous testosterone are at an increased risk of mortality than those with higher levels. Cardiovascular disease accounts for the greater proportion of deaths in those with low testosterone. Cancer and respiratory deaths in some of the studies are also significantly more prevalent. Disease-specific studies have identified that there are higher mortality rates in men with cardiovascular, respiratory and renal diseases, type 2 diabetes and cancer with low testosterone. Obesity, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease and inflammatory disorders are all associated with an increased prevalence of testosterone deficiency. Two major questions that arise from these findings are (1) is testosterone deficiency directly involved in the pathogenesis of these conditions and/or a contributory factor impairing the body’s natural defences or is it merely a biomarker of ill health and the severity of underlying disease process? (2) Does testosterone replacement therapy retard disease progression and ultimately enhance the clinical prognosis and survival? This review will discuss the current state of knowledge and discuss whether or not there are any answers to either of these questions. There is convincing evidence that low testosterone is a biomarker for disease severity and mortality. Testosterone deficiency is associated with adverse effects on certain cardiovascular risk factors that when combined could potentially promote atherosclerosis. The issue of whether or not testosterone replacement therapy improves outcomes is controversial. Two retrospective studies in men with diagnosed hypogonadism with or without type 2 diabetes have reported significantly improved survival.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/832029
I hope you go for natural ways of increasing T before you take the prescription roids
Omega-3 fatty acids ( fish)
Vitamin D3 supplements (10,000 IU/day )
i would tell you to lose weight but i dont get the fat vibe from you.
stay strong bro
Me , you and JS are the only ones on this site who get it
PP pretends not to get it.
afro’s car isn’t french. his music isn’t french. his fiancee isn’t french. his ideology isn’t french. he’s not french. yet he “identifies” as french.
afro is an example of a manufactured human.
manufactured human
manufactured human
manufactured human
manufactured human.
peepee’s favorite song is:
My cars aren’t French, like most cars in my neighborhood. (And even French brands are often assembled abroad)
My favorite musics aren’t French, like most songs on the radio
My fiancee is French with foreign ancestry, just like almost half the French population.
My ideology is French (Christian-Democrat), or more broadly European
I’m French, with a French education and a French family
You’re full of shit.
The more obsessed you are with Afro the
MORE POWERFUL HE GETS!!!!!!!
Lol, true. I think he’s in love.
afro’s homosexuality is so obvious he should stop posting.
Afro, the three boys don’t look masculine to me. Will Smith is very girly. And the other two looks like Ken doll : very thin face, extremely narrow waist, no body hair etc. The blond uses tattoo to look manly, but it doesn’t work.
Bruce Willis, Sean Connery, Dwayne Johnson, Tom Selleck, Sean Penn and Robert de Niro are more menly. But it is not over-the-top. So probably very masculine types are not in strong demand in the show business industry.
Look Leonardo de Caprio, Ashton Kutcher, Channing Tatum, James Franco, Christian Bale, James Dean, Chris Hemsworth : they have less hair and a thiner and symetrical face than the average girl 🙂
They’re cute but I wouldn’t say girly or childish. They can still play hyper masculine roles and they wouldn’t be credible as Zuckerberg-like characters.
The more manly types might be less demanded because hollywood targets a young audience. Teenager girls want main characters that look like their high school jocks, not like their daddy lol. But I can’t imagine a lady in her thirties falling for Zac Efron, except if she’s a cougar looking for a toy boy.
And by the way, I’m physically closer to Will Smith than to The Rock, yet I don’t think I’m the best example of a domesticated male, if it means something.
jimmy’s jive is so sad.
“let’s meet in person to prove i’m nordic.”
yet he won’t post a picture of himself.
he might say such a picture could be of anyone.
he might say this, because he has a very low IQ.
one picture jimmy. you hold up a piece of paper next to your face saying, “i am jimmy of peepee’s blog.”
then we’ll all know you aren’t a dirty arab.
post a picture of myself on a blog that has all may anti-jew comments?
LOL ! what a retard ! remember this the next time someone talks about high jewish IQ
Steinberg doesn’t have the cognitive ability needed to see how stupid his comment is.
If we met there would be no way of linking me to this blog
I could just say it was a casual encounter
unlike Steinberg i have a great job to lose
Steinberg babysits power tools for a living
He has nothing to lose
i do
Everything you say is all talk until we meet
I am the only person on this blog who wants to meet people
The reason for that is that i am the only person who doesn’t BS on here
I underplay everything on here
[redacted by PP, June 24, 2017]
PP knows what i’m talking about because he wont publish parts of my comments to you.
90% of what i want to say will never be published so i don’t even bother trying
Illuminaticat, I don’t remember, but do you have SDAM (severly deficient autobiographic memory), that is, no episodic memory, meaning no ability to re-experience any past events ?
PS : that is not a competition of the weirdest person. I’m just using my mind now to understand my brain better, and discovering many things that doesn’t work at all.
I don’t have SDMA.
I can remember over 10,000 events in my life.
I just do not see my memories.
When I think of my middle school I remember what I did in many classes and the projects I did. I remember playing in front of the band instructor and he was amazed at how well I played the notes at perfect pitch, his ear can detect pitch and other musical qualities. I remember my botany class and how I took notes very slow.
Normal people play movies in their heads to see what happened at a birthday party. I cannot do that. But I have spatial and emotional memories. And can remember the color of my stretch Easter rabbits. Blue and pink. I remember the school in Anthony New Mexico. I shared my teddy bear at show and tell and we made plaster dinosaurs and paper phases of the moon. But I do not see any of this, non at all. But I have a large amount of memories. I have no problems with that.
Yes, i’ve just discovered there is an episodic memory as there is a semantic memory. So the fact of having no images, doesn’t imply not being able to “remember” thing pasts, like you experienced it then. It’s just your episodic memory work with what you have, abstract, word (if you have the internal voice) and for most people images, and even other senses.
Sadly, I have SDNA. And it’s not just severe deficit. It is total. I have absolutely no memory in the first person at all and I didn’t know it existed before reading an article on SDNA.
Now, I know I’ve got prosopagnosia, Aphantasia, Asperger (probably) and SDNA.The four are related but very few people have the four things I discovered. Oliver Sachs is believed to have had the first three but not the fourth one.
SDAM.
IlluminatiCat,
SDAM is a term that covers different unrelated things. There is a big distinction to be made among autobiography and episodic memory I’ve found nowhere.
Your autobiographic memory contains two modules : most of the episodic memory and the part of the semantic memory wich is related to you. So some people don’t remember anything from themselves.
But you can be in the situation of having no episodic memory at all (you don’t remember at all in the sens of reconstructing experiences from the past) but you still have collected many information about your own past wich constitutes your self.
The thing is that you can’t form your self with the help of the autonoetic consciousness because you don’t have one. So it is not exactly 100% SDAM ….
PP,
Another possible explanation of reduction in brain size in holocene could be because of the climate getting warmer. Before 10,000 B.C climate was much colder. Remember the cold climate-big brain hypothesis?