I saw some fascinating research in the book Anthropometrica: A Textbook of Body Measurement for Sports and Health Courses showing that heavyweight boxing champions tend to be two standard deviations taller than the average American man of his era.
This is fascinating because I have long estimated that U.S. presidents are about two standard deviations smarter than Americans of their era (IQ 130).
What this suggests is that physical power is to height, as REAL power is to IQ.
The World heavyweight champion is the most physically powerful man in the sense that he can destroy virtually anyone physically in the unlikely event it ever came down to one on one unarmed physical combat, but the president is the most powerful man in a real sense, in that he can destroy virtually anyone politically, economically, or militarily in scenarios that are likely to actually occur.
Of course not all heavyweight boxing champions have been tall, just as not all U.S. presidents, have been smart. And some heavyweight boxing champions have been absolute giants, just as some U.S. presidents have had IQs above 150 (Jefferson?).
But on average, World heavyweight boxing champions are just as selected for height as U.S. presidents are selected for IQ: + 2 SD, which equals about 6’3″ on the U.S. height scale, and 130 on the U.S. IQ scale.
This suggests that the correlation between height and physical power, is similar to the correlation between IQ and real power: About 0.4
Pumpkin Person 
Interesting article. One question since you’re much more mathematically inclined than myself.
Wouldn’t a correlation of .4 between brain size and IQ explain only 16 percent of the variance, leaving 84 percent of the variance unaccounted for? Why, then, is the correlation between brain size and IQ such a big deal if it explains so little?
Rushton did say in one of his papers that maybe with the advent of MRI that other correlates of IQ may show to be better predictors of intelligence, like total number of neurons and density, for instance.
I actually think it’s less than 0.4; more like 0.33, explaining only 11% of the variance.
It’s a big deal because it’s fascinating that something as concrete and simple as raw brain size would be linked to something as mysterious and complex as intelligence. It’s also a big deal because small correlations can have huge effects at the extremes. For every 1 SD increase in brain size, IQ increases on average by 0.33 SD. It’s also a big deal because it fits with evolution: brain size tripling as we evolved from ape to man.
There might be other properties of the brain more correlated with IQ than brain size, but brain size will always capture our imagination more because it’s the one brain variable you can roughly see just from looking at a person, or just looking at a skull.
IIRC, white and grey matter have much higher correlations with intelligence than overall brain size. Einstein, for instance, had a higher rate of glial cells in his brain. His brain was smaller than Africans’ IIRC, at 1228 grams (?).
Would you say that “quality” matters more than “quanitity”, on average?
It’d be interesting to take a look at Einstein’s brain through the isotropic fractionator.
“For every 1 SD increase in brain size, IQ increases on average by 0.33 SD. It’s also a big deal because it fits with evolution: brain size tripling as we evolved from ape to man.”
Yea because neuron count exploded. =^)
In the end, I believe most of intelligence will come down to what we can’t physically ‘see’.
Einstein was just one man. Statistically we should expect some brilliant people to have small brains. And we don’t even know what his IQ was. And his generation was physically stunted by suboptimum nutrition compared to people today and his brain wasn’t measured until it was old and shrunken.
Most men who were recognized as creative Geniuses had large brains, in some cases stratospheric.
“It’s a big deal because it’s fascinating that something as concrete and simple as raw brain size would be linked to something as mysterious and complex as intelligence.”
No, this correlation is disappointing. Something as raw and concrete as brain size should be expected to account for at least 80% of the variance in the function for which it’s the seat. For instance, skin color might account for 80% of the variance in skin cancer risk, and that would be logical.
“For every 1 SD increase in brain size, IQ increases on average by 0.33 SD.”
But where does this correlation come from ? Is there direct causation or is it the byproduct of other confounding variables ?
“but brain size will always capture our imagination more because it’s the one brain variable you can roughly see just from looking at a person, or just looking at a skull”
It captures your imagination, not mine. And you can’t see someone’s brain size. Who would think just from observation that a 3 year old’s brain is 90% the size of a grown up man’s ?
“Einstein was just one man. Statistically we should expect some brilliant people to have small brains.”
But his brain is still much smaller than a cro-magnons’s or a neanderthal’s. Why haven’t atomic bombs been around for 20,000 years ?
“And we don’t even know what his IQ was.”
I think there is IQ data on Einstein, and if there isn’t, his achievements speak for his cognitive abilities more than any type of test.
“And his generation was physically stunted by suboptimum nutrition compared to people today and his brain wasn’t measured until it was old and shrunken”
I guess he was still below average for his age and generation. In the nutritional conditions of his era, a small lean brain could even have been an advantage. Always keep in mind that the brain size-cognitive ability correlation is far from perfect, that it might have changed across time and places and that you don’t need to be so creative to explain why such a genius was not a pumpkin person. The answer is simple, brain size only accounts for 11% of the variance in IQ.
“It’s a big deal because it’s fascinating that something as concrete and simple as raw brain size would be linked to something as mysterious and complex as intelligence.”
No, this correlation is disappointing. Something as raw and concrete as brain size should be expected to account for at least 80% of the variance in the function for which it’s the seat. For instance, skin color might account for 80% of the variance in skin cancer risk, and that would be logical.
The 0.33 correlation between brain size and IQ is similar to the 0.4 correlation between height and weight. Just as it’s easier to pack a lot of muscle and fat onto a tall frame, it’s easier to pack a lot of neurons, dendrites, folds, and myelin into a big brain. But just as it’s possible for a short person to weigh 300 lbs, it’s possible for a small brained person to have an IQ of 150
But where does this correlation come from ? Is there direct causation or is it the byproduct of other confounding variables ?
The preponderance of evidence suggests it’s primarily causal. For one thing, it’s not limited to humans, but a trend found throughout the animal kingdom. Our brains tripled as we evolved from ape to man. Even within the same family, bigger brained siblings are smarter. Genetic mutations that shrink brains dramatically lower IQ as a side effect. People with smaller brains are more at risk for Alzheimer’s, and among people with Alzheimer’s, those with bigger brains are less likely to become demented. So the evidence for a causal link is pretty robust.
Moreover, just use common sense, as Michael hart argued: bigger muscles can lift more weight, bigger hearts can pump more blood, why wouldn’t bigger brains process more information? It’s Occam’s razor.
It captures your imagination, not mine.
You perceive this research as a threat to your ethnic genetic interests and thus evolved to fight it.
And you can’t see someone’s brain size.
You can if you try:
But his brain is still much smaller than a cro-magnons’s or a neanderthal’s. Why haven’t atomic bombs been around for 20,000 years ?
Because brain size is only moderately correlated with intelligence which is imperfectly correlated with inventions. Also, it took tens of thousands of years to acquire the knowledge to invent atomic bombs. If we cloned 100 Nobel prize winning scientist and had them raised by Bushmen, the most we might expect is that one of them might invent the wheel.
I think there is IQ data on Einstein,
Nothing credible
and if there isn’t, his achievements speak for his cognitive abilities more than any type of test.
Well just as there are short people who have succeeded in fields that require a lot of weight, there are small brained people who have succeeded in fields that require a lot of IQ. Einstein is analogous to a short NFL player like trindon holliday
“Michael hart argued: bigger muscles can lift more weight,”
Lol. No. Don’t listen to this. Yes a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle, in theory. But there are tons of small strong people. Watch a few powerlifting competitions and get back to me. Who’s stronger, powerlifters or bodybuilders PP?
I believe we’ve discussed this before PP. Iirc the correlation between muscle size and strength is only…. .11? I’ll get back to you on that later.
Muscle mass explains 23 percent of the variance in muscle strength independent of age and gender.
“This study quantified the positive association between muscle mass and muscle strength in older adults, and found that muscle mass explained about 13% of variance in muscle strength, independent of age and gender. After adjusting for age and gender, every one unit increase in aASM was associated with a corresponding 31.6 newton increase in IQS. As these results are derived from a cross-sectional study, any causal inference is precluded. Nevertheless, these data underscore the need for further prospective research that evaluates the downstream effects of interventions, which are aimed at preserving muscle mass, on muscle strength and physical function.”
http://bmcgeriatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2318-13-74
Trivial. Muscle fiber typing, which I’ve harped on and on about tells much more than muscle size. And you can’t tell someone’s fiber typing based on how they look.
13 percent of variance, not 23***
“Just as it’s easier to pack a lot of muscle and fat onto a tall frame, it’s easier to pack a lot of neurons, dendrites, folds, and myelin into a big brain.”
It’s more complex than that, a huge brain has a cost and big brains can’t be selected over small ones if their size endanger their efficiency. And the complexity of neural processes is in a magnitude that makes your simplistic comparison irrelevant.
“The preponderance of evidence suggests it’s primarily causal.”
You talk about the evidence you have carefully selected with a high degree of confirmation bias, not mentioning what causes brain size in the first place.
“You perceive this research as a threat to your ethnic genetic interests and thus evolved to fight it.”
Sorry, I only have genetic interests in those who are compatible organ donors for me. I’m not afraid by differences in brain size at all, the more I read about neuroscience, the more I understand how ridiculous your theories and assumptions must look to specialists. HBD and neuroscience are just worlds apart.
“You can if you try:”
Come on, we never see people like this, even in a psychiatric hospital.
“Moreover, just use common sense, as Michael hart argued: bigger muscles can lift more weight, bigger hearts can pump more blood, why wouldn’t bigger brains process more information?”
Because bigger eyes don’t give better sight the opposite is true.
“Because brain size is only moderately correlated with intelligence which is imperfectly correlated with inventions. Also, it took tens of thousands of years to acquire the knowledge to invent atomic bombs.”
I know, I just wanted you to say it and realize how it contrasts with the content of your articles.
“there are small brained people who have succeeded in fields that require a lot of IQ.”
IQ is not a quantity, PP. And with the Flynn effect, Einstein’s IQ would be fairly average. Yet the average of today is far from being able of Einstein’s accomplishments.
“Just as it’s easier to pack a lot of muscle and fat onto a tall frame, it’s easier to pack a lot of neurons, dendrites, folds, and myelin into a big brain.”
It’s more complex than that, a huge brain has a cost and big brains can’t be selected over small ones if their size endanger their efficiency.
Brain size tripled in the last 4 million years so obviously they were selected.
And the complexity of neural processes is in a magnitude that makes your simplistic comparison irrelevant.
Empty rhetoric
“The preponderance of evidence suggests it’s primarily causal.”
You talk about the evidence you have carefully selected with a high degree of confirmation bias, not mentioning what causes brain size in the first place.
Brain tissue causes brain size.
Sorry, I only have genetic interests in those who are compatible organ donors for me.
We’re not always aware of how our behavior is influenced by perceived genetic interests.
I’m not afraid by differences in brain size at all, the more I read about neuroscience, the more I understand how ridiculous your theories and assumptions must look to specialists.
I don’t think so. I think most neuroscientists would agree with me that brain size is one of the factors that influences intelligence. They would consider you silly for denying it has any causal role.
“Moreover, just use common sense, as Michael hart argued: bigger muscles can lift more weight, bigger hearts can pump more blood, why wouldn’t bigger brains process more information?”
Because bigger eyes don’t give better sight the opposite is true.
Some studies link bigger eyes with better vision
http://news.berkeley.edu/2014/04/29/among-wasps-bigger-eyes-evolved-the-better-to-see-social-cues/
IQ is not a quantity, PP.
huh?
And with the Flynn effect, Einstein’s IQ would be fairly average. Yet the average of today is far from being able of Einstein’s accomplishments.
I believe only a third of the Flynn effect reflected a real biological gain in intelligence; the rest I think was just culture bias and test motivation
“it took tens of thousands of years to acquire the knowledge to invent atomic bombs”
Cultural transference and acquisition….
“Brain size tripled in the last 4 million years so obviously they were selected.”
Only in conditions that made them affordable to our metabolism. A mutation that enlarges the brain is not enough for the possible advantages it provides to be naturally selected.
“Empty rhetoric”
Not at all, read these few humble wikipedia articles as an introduction to a whole other galaxy of knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_pruning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_plasticity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsynaptic_plasticity
Now you can see why I couldn’t put it in a more explicit way, I’m just a lawyer.
“Brain tissue causes brain size.”
And what causes differences in brain tissue ?
“I think most neuroscientists would agree with me that brain size is one of the factors that influences intelligence. They would consider you silly for denying it has any causal role.”
I’m not saying it has no causal role, I’m saying the correlation is confounded by many other factors involved in brain growth.
“Some studies link bigger eyes with better vision”
In wasps, not WASPs, lol. As a human being, the reason why I’m nearsighted is because my eyes are too big.
“huh?”
I’s a ranking, not a quantity.
“I believe only a third of the Flynn effect reflected a real biological gain in intelligence; the rest I think was just culture bias and test motivation”
So now you believe that two groups can have differences in IQ that are only 1/3 biologic and even less genetic ? You’re making progress.
Plenty of things besides brain size influenced intelligence, like blood flow and structure.
Pumpkin is right though if all else is equal except scale, then the larger will probably be more intelligent.
“Sorry, I only have genetic interests in those who are compatible organ donors for me.”
LOL, Because the only reason you come on here and disagree so passionately is for the “good of science” or something right?
I forgot to react to your ethnic genetic interests nonsense. Don’t worry, you’ll know my thoughts on it when I have more time.
Afrosapiens, here’s a good example for the case against neuroplasticity from Steven Pinker from page 99-100 of The Blank Slate:
The neuroscientists Steven Anderson, Hannah and Antonio Damasia, and their colleagues recent;y tested two young adults who had sustained damage to their ventromedial and orbital prefrontal cortex when they were young children. These are the parts of the brain that sit above the eyes and are important for empathy, social skills, and self-management (as we know from Phineas Gage, the railroad worker whose brain was impaled by a tamping iron). Both children recovered from their injuries and grew up with average IQ in stable homes with normal siblings and college-educated parents. If the brain were really homogeneous and plastic, the healthy parts should have been shaped by the normal societal environment and taken over the function of the damaged parts. But that is not what happened with either of the children. One, who had been run over by a car when she was fifteen months old, grew into an intractable child who ignored punishment and lied compulsively. As a teenager she shoplifted, stole from her parents, failed to win friends, showed no empathy or remorse, and was dangerously uninterested in her own baby. The other patient was a young man who had lost similar parts of his brain to a tumor when he was three months old. He too grew up friendless, shiftless, thieving, and hotheaded. Along with their bad behavior, both had trouble thinking through simple moral problems, despite having IQs in the normal range. They could not, for example, say what two people should do if they disagreed on what TV channel to watch, or decide whether a man ought to steal a drug to save his dying wife.
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How does the genome tell a developing brain to differentiate into neural networks that are prepared for such abstract computational problems as recognizing a face or thinking about the interests of other people?
“Pumpkin is right though if all else is equal except scale, then the larger will probably be more intelligent.”
Depending on why it’s larger.
“LOL, Because the only reason you come on here and disagree so passionately is for the “good of science” or something right?”
I could be discussing real world relevant topics with SJWs that promote my “ethnic genetic interests” but I’m wasting time here because I love conflict and life’s boring when everyone agrees on everything.
But look at that:
“They found that though these individuals could be classified very accurately to continental clusters, there was a significant degree of genetic overlap on the individual level, to the extent that, using 377 loci, individual Europeans were about 38% of the time more genetically similar to East Asians than to other Europeans.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering#Similarity_of_group_members
Between Europeans and Africans, this figure is 36,5%. Let’s pretend I’m 100% African though I don’t know. I’m genetically closer to my parents than to 36,5% of Africans, maybe this goes up to 40% if I compare genetic closeness with my Moroccan Jewish fiancée and some randomly selected Africans. There is also 36,5% chance that one of you guys is closer to me than to another randomly picked commenter.
The huge overlap in the geographic distribution of alleles makes inclusive fitness largely unrelated to ethnic questions. You can say that race-based solidarity increases the probability of successfully promoting closer genotypes but if our brains were in fact wired for this behavior, we’d have finer abilities to spot genetic closeness without an error rate of 35-40% which is very high.
As usual with HBD, EGI is another non-specialist theory, this time it’s an Australian political ethnologist (WTF?) who just wanted to give biological legitimacy to racism.
“Afrosapiens, here’s a good example for the case against neuroplasticity from Steven Pinker from page 99-100 of The Blank Slate:”
It is well known that some environmental injuries have irreversible effects on the brain. People do not recover from childhood malnutrition, fœtal alcohol syndrome and birth complications for instance. But once the brain has built its foundations, neural circuits have a high degree of plasticity, especially activity-dependent-plasticity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activity-dependent_plasticity
“Depending on why it’s larger.”
Why does that matter?
“I could be discussing real world relevant topics with SJWs that promote my “ethnic genetic interests” but I’m wasting time here because I love conflict and life’s boring when everyone agrees on everything.”
Weirdly I agree.
“The huge overlap in the geographic distribution of alleles makes inclusive fitness largely unrelated to ethnic questions. You can say that race-based solidarity increases the probability of successfully promoting closer genotypes but if our brains were in fact wired for this behavior, we’d have finer abilities to spot genetic closeness without an error rate of 35-40% which is very high.”
I wouldn’t stress yourself too much bud, I definitely do not know much about EGI. I know the basic premise and it makes sense.
Genetic similarity may be irrelevant, I’ve speculated before that EGI is based on perception of phenotypic expression and not the genes themselves. Do you have a source for the percentage? Not that I don’t believe you, I just want to know the specifics in what criteria defined “abilities to spot genetic closeness”
Melo here’s that source
Click to access RACEgen.pdf
“Why does that matter?”
If my brain is bigger because my whole body is bigger, that won’t make me more intelligent.
If my brain’s bigger because I have had more brain growth enhancing nutrients in my childhood, this will make me smarter
If my brain’s bigger because I’m male, that won’t make me more intelligent
If my brain’s smaller because I’m black, that won’t make you smarter.
“Genetic similarity may be irrelevant”
Genetic similarity is the only factor that matters when it comes to inclusive fitness
“An individual’s own child, who carries one half of the individual’s genes, is defined as one offspring equivalent. A sibling’s child, who will carry one-quarter of the individual’s genes, is 1/2 offspring equivalent. Similarly, a cousin’s child, who has 1/16 of the individual’s genes, is 1/8 offspring equivalent.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness
The closer the genotype of someone, the more his children are offspring equivalent to them. So don’t be afraid of Africa’s 5 children per woman because 2 of them are your offspring equivalent relative to any random white child born in the world.
“I’ve speculated before that EGI is based on perception of phenotypic expression and not the genes themselves.”
Inclusive fitness is an evolutionary strategy, evolution selects genes, phenotypes are only selected if they are firmly attached to a selected genotype.
“Do you have a source for the percentage?”
The wikipedia article linked in my previous comment cites this study
http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v5/n8/full/nrg1401.html
“The closer the genotype of someone, the more his children are offspring equivalent to them. ”
The closer the genotype of someone, the more his children are offspring equivalents to you.*
“If my brain is bigger because my whole body is bigger, that won’t make me more intelligent.”
I know, that’s why I said “if all else is equal”. I should have been more specific.
“Genetic similarity is the only factor that matters when it comes to inclusive fitness. Inclusive fitness is an evolutionary strategy, evolution selects genes, phenotypes are only selected if they are firmly attached to a selected genotype.”
Homogeneous genotypes can express different phenotypic traits and vice versa. Homo sapiens characterizes this perfectly. We have very little genetic variation as a species yet there is wide array of varying physical attributes that sometimes cluster.
Australian aborigines are more phenotypically similar to Africans but more genotypically similar to East asians. The percentage may reinforce this, if people have a hard time deciphering who they’re more related to it will cause mistakes.
I meant specifically this percentage:
” error rate of 35-40% which is very high.”
I assumed you were talking about how well a person could tell who was more genetically similar to them.
“So don’t be afraid of Africa’s 5 children per woman because 2 of them are your offspring equivalent relative to any random white child born in the world.”
Why would I be afraid of that? Dumb people breeding is what frightens me, not black people. If there are High IQ Africans that still pop out 5 kids at a time, then it’s a good thing.
“Australian aborigines are more phenotypically similar to Africans but more genotypically similar to East asians. The percentage may reinforce this, if people have a hard time deciphering who they’re more related to it will cause mistakes.”
This is why promoting your inclusive fitness based on ethnic affinity makes no sense contrary to what the EGI theory claims. Race is not a good predictor of genetic closeness and humans have no better way to quickly tell who carries more of their gene variants than another person.
“I assumed you were talking about how well a person could tell who was more genetically similar to them.”
What I meant is that if you chose to promote your inclusive fitness by favoring whites over blacks, you’re actually making an error 36,5% of the time. You might say you’re right 63,5% of the time, that you’d be wrong 63,5% of the time if you preferred blacks over whites and judging by race increases your success rate by 73%. But in our lives, there are few meaningful risks that we’re willing to take with an error rate this high.
“Why would I be afraid of that?”
The principle of inclusive fitness is that we should promote the reproduction of closer genotypes. But you seemed to believe that inclusive fitness was dependent on race.
“Dumb people breeding is what frightens me”
Be humble please, like most HBDers, you’re calling dumb things you don’t understand.
“what the EGI theory claims”
I wouldn’t even call it a theory. I know other HBDers are into it, but if all you’re really telling me is that more genetically/physically similar individuals look out for each other then all I have to say is: No shit.
“This is why promoting your inclusive fitness based on ethnic affinity makes no sense. Race is not a good predictor of genetic closeness and humans have no better way to quickly tell who carries more of their gene variants than another person.”
I don’t think the genes are involved in a conscious process As I said, humans will have a hard time predicting genetic similarity and most are ignorant of the concept itself. Our phenotypic variance therefore becomes a problem because it exacerbates tribalism and creates racism, which is unwanted in a further globalizing world.
I think you may be criticizing it from a more moral perspective but biologically it makes sense. It is how further speciation is secured. You’re preaching to the quire, I try to have the most macro level of inclusive fitness that I can to avoid bias.
“You might say you’re right 63,5% of the time, that you’d be wrong 63,5% of the time if you preferred blacks over whites and judging by race increases your success rate by 73%.
Those commas are supposed to be decimals right?
“But in our lives, there are few meaningful risks that we’re willing to take with an error rate this high.”
Are you sure? That seems to be a broad statement, Look how much prejudice and bigotry exists solely on the basis of differential physical appearance. It seems people take the risk everyday.
“But you seemed to believe that inclusive fitness was dependent on race.”
I never said that. Sorry If I implied it.
“Be humble please, like most HBDers, you’re calling dumb things you don’t understand.”
Ha, I’ve proved an innumerable amount of times that my grasp of Anthropology/Biology is magnitudes beyond all of the commentors here. The only people who even hold a candle to my crystallized knowledge in those particular subjects are Jm8, Gypsyman(I think that’s who I’m thinking of), and race realist.
It helped that i didn’t originally start out as an HBDer. I agree with you that most Biological theories in HBD are complete bullshit. Or are at least applied wrong.
I’m afraid the perception you have of me is nothing but a strawman. I don’t dislike you because you’re an “anti HBDer”(whatever the fuck that is). I dislike you because you’re a lawyer, and that’s the nicest way I can put it without starting another flame war.
“I know other HBDers are into it,”
Most HBDers are into any theory that blends genetics and race relations.
“I think you may be criticizing it from a more moral perspective but biologically it makes sense. It is how further speciation is secured.”
But it makes no sense historically. All the old world populations that are found where extremes of phenotypic variation overlap are mixed. I found it amazing when I went to Egypt: in Alexandria, people look like Syrians and as you move south, people look darker and darker, in Aswan people are just like Sudanese and Ethiopians. If I could have continued the cruise to the source of the Nile, I would have seen people gradually becoming pure black Africans.
The US is virtually the only place where different races have coexisted on the same territory without mixing, or at least officially since Blacks have significant levels of European ancestry.
“Those commas are supposed to be decimals right?”
Yes, it’s the French norm sorry.
“Are you sure? That seems to be a broad statement, Look how much prejudice and bigotry exists solely on the basis of differential physical appearance. It seems people take the risk everyday.”
How much of your income would you save in a bank that has 36,5% chance of going bankrupt ? So if people are taking the risk of being bigots whereas favoring whites over blacks means you are favoring someone more genetically dissimilar 36,5% of the time, it simply means EGI is BS. And anyway, the most efficient way to promote your inclusive fitness is having children of your own.
Actually if EGI really exist and are competing with each other, males should be wired to monopolize the most genetically dissimilar females so that genetically dissimilar men would be prevented from spreading their dissimilar genes.
“Ha, I’ve proved an innumerable amount of times that my grasp of Anthropology/Biology is magnitudes beyond all of the commentors here. ”
ROFL, no. Whatsoever.
“I dislike you because you’re a lawyer, and that’s the nicest way I can put it without starting another flame war.”
Alright, I dislike you because you’re a middle schooler and boys are silly in middle school.
Melo,
“I don’t think the genes are involved in a conscious process ”
They aren’t. It’s a metaphor.
And it’s choir, not quire.
Afrosapiens,
“But it makes no sense historically. All the old world populations that are found where extremes of phenotypic variation overlap are mixed. I found it amazing when I went to Egypt: in Alexandria, people look like Syrians and as you move south, people look darker and darker, in Aswan people are just like Sudanese and Ethiopians. If I could have continued the cruise to the source of the Nile, I would have seen people gradually becoming pure black Africans.”
Where does ‘red’ end and ‘blue’ begin? If you can’t find the demarcation line, do neither exist?
“And anyway, the most efficient way to promote your inclusive fitness is having children of your own.”
Strolling into JayMan territory here.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/16/ethnic-genetic-interests-and-group-selection-does-exist-a-reply-to-jayman-2/
“Actually if EGI really exist and are competing with each other, males should be wired to monopolize the most genetically dissimilar females so that genetically dissimilar men would be prevented from spreading their dissimilar genes.”
Then the men copulating with dissimilar women won’t be following their ‘selfish’ genes to mate with like copies. Doesn’t make sense.
“Where does ‘red’ end and ‘blue’ begin? If you can’t find the demarcation line, do neither exist?”
I partly agree but there are places where some phenotypes reach their highest frequency. The whitest of of the whitest live around the Baltic sea, the blackest of the blackest are found in the Sahel and Southern Sudan, The yellowest of the yellowest maybe in Korea and Manchuria. It’s due to phenotypes either facing the highest degree of natural selection or isolation in those places. But it is rare to see someone who reunites all of the most characteristic traits of their “race” and we could divide races into sub-races until everyone is a race on his own or with his perfect lookalikes.
What I meant to say is that everywhere people have been in contact with different phenotypes, they have mixed instead of consciously mating with people who looked the most like themselves. As a result, we don’t see families that look like dog breeds.
“Strolling into JayMan territory here.”
I’m not fond of this guy though. Your post is too long, I know it’s bad to say that but I disagree without reading. I’m confident with my opinions on this topic.
“Then the men copulating with dissimilar women won’t be following their ‘selfish’ genes to mate with like copies. Doesn’t make sense.”
Indeed, that makes little sense. Or let’s say men should be wired to monopolize all women and to be more competitive with more genetically dissimilar men. Then the question is how can someone know how dissimilar another person is ? Especially when mankind has ignored the very principle of genes for the most of its history.
“I found it amazing when I went to Egypt: in Alexandria, people look like Syrians and as you move south, people look darker and darker, in Aswan people are just like Sudanese and Ethiopians. If I could have continued the cruise to the source of the Nile, I would have seen people gradually becoming pure black Africans.”
There are still extremes to the clinal variation you perceive. EGI is just inclusive fitness through phenotype. It’s how trends toward speciation solidify, particularly in recently bottle-necked populations that divide and migrate into new regions, like proto humans. EGI’s downfall (not as a theory but as a mechanism) is globalization, which is ultimately an inevitability in highly intelligent and social organisms.
Archaic hominids and some aquatic mammals have and still utilize the “divide and conquer” strategy. Where if the relevant species has a high enough mental capacity they can subsequently form Large “clans” that further divide into smaller ones that branch out and acquire new territory. The smaller clans then regroup after an allotted time and gene/culture flow becomes rampant for a brief period. This method maximizes efficiency in resource and knowledge acquisition while hunting becomes twice as effective.
It’s why I hypothesize that as Society grows and develops EGI grows to a species wide scale. More intelligent or educated individuals are less racist.
“The US is virtually the only place where different races have coexisted on the same territory without mixing, or at least officially since Blacks have significant levels of European ancestry.”
Yes, but other places also have larger swathes of africans in proportion to their macro population. Especially south america, where there were less anti- miscegenation laws. It may also be fallacious to presume every act of interracial sex is for intentional impregnation.
http://www.everyculture.com/South-America/Afro-South-Americans.html
“Yes, it’s the French norm sorry”
I figured as much.
“And anyway, the most efficient way to promote your inclusive fitness is having children of your own.”
I don’t think the efficiency matters in regards to it’s validity. You may need to elaborate more.
“Actually if EGI really exist and are competing with each other, males should be wired to monopolize the most genetically dissimilar females so that genetically dissimilar men would be prevented from spreading their dissimilar genes.”
Unless the more similar females are considered more attractive in which case it becomes more methodical to systematically take male competition “out of the picture”. This can be done numerous ways: a war on drugs, profiling, tampering etc.
The prior statement may not even be a prerequisite, it seems to be a consistent pattern in history. The emasculation, enslavement, and persecution of rival males.
“ROFL, no. Whatsoever.”
Every time we converse I demonstrate your cognitive inferiority.
“Alright, I dislike you because you’re a middle schooler and boys are silly in middle school.”
Ugh, no. Just stop, you’re making me wince. I can’t even have a flame war with you, you’re no fun. That’s like the 4th time you’ve used some variation of that insult and it was barely humorous the first time. You lack creativity. Worse than mugabe’s “peepee” insult.
It’d be nice if you unmoderated that pumpkin.
Sorry I was playing hockey. No internet access. It’s unmoderated now
“There are still extremes to the clinal variation you perceive.”
But this clinal variation is expressed within individuals and families and not as segregated breeding populations coexisting in the same place.
“It’s how trends toward speciation solidify, particularly in recently bottle-necked populations that divide and migrate into new regions, like proto humans.”
What you say doesn’t describe human mating patterns and social interactions.
“It’s how trends toward speciation solidify, particularly in recently bottle-necked populations that divide and migrate into new regions, like proto humans.”
In Brazil, the average ancestry is 70% european, 20% African and 10% indigenous. In Mississippi, it’s something like 70% European, 30% African. The difference is that Whites in Brazil are rarely more than 90% European and Blacks are rarely more than 50% African. I the US, Blacks are almost always more than 50% African and Whites almost always more than 90% white. But that’s changing.
I’m not saying that race mixing is intentional, although Brazil has had a more or less official policy of whitening the country through immigration and intermarriage . My point was that ideas of racial purity and racial solidarity is mostly exclusive to the US and the general behavior of humans is to mate and form social groups with little care for phenotypic similarity (and phenotype is not restricted to race).
“I don’t think the efficiency matters in regards to it’s validity. You may need to elaborate more.”
Inclusive fitness is a strategy made to promote the spread of similar genotypes. But the most efficient way to promote one’s genes is to have offsprings by oneself. Inclusive fitness or rather kin selection just describes how some genes went to be selected because genetically related individuals coped with evolutionary challenges by cooperative behaviors. But it is less strong than direct sexual selection of genes carried by sexually more productive individuals.
“Every time we converse I demonstrate your cognitive inferiority.”
Read again:
“Be humble please, like most HBDers, you’re calling dumb things you don’t understand.”
“That’s like the 4th time you’ve used some variation of that insult and it was barely humorous the first time.”
It wasn’t meant to be humorous, it is just an objective description of what you’re showing here.
“But this clinal variation is expressed within individuals and families and not as segregated breeding populations coexisting in the same place.”
That’s only half true. At one point gene flow was incredibly restricted, nowadays admixture is almost common which is why the clinal pattern within the variation is not a side effect of natural selection through geographic barriers but instead from a lax of sexual exclusiveness.
“What you say doesn’t describe human mating patterns and social interactions.”
Because that is not what I was describing. Try to understand better, what I’m saying is that when a new population(Ideally ones with recent bottleneck history) has just migrated into separate groups, it develops more phenotypic variance, this leads to higher levels of out group discrimination which induces speciation. However, if the species in question is highly intelligent and displays complex social organisation it will apply what I described as the “divide and conquer” strategy effectively re energizing gene flow every so often. One reason why Inclusive fitness on an ethnic scale will become virtually non existent.
“I’m not saying that race mixing is intentional, although Brazil has had a more or less official policy of whitening the country through immigration and intermarriage .”
Well then doesn’t that also seem like a partial explanation for the differences in proportion?
“the general behavior of humans is to mate and form social groups with little care for phenotypic similarity” (and phenotype is not restricted to race).”
But that’s bullshit. People still mate almost always within their race. Phenotype is also not restricted to psychical characteristics but could instead be an abstraction as a result of said physical trait, like intelligence or at least creativity through expression. Races differ in intellectual properties, two individuals with a very high difference in intelligence will probably not have synergetic chemistry with each other. Even if the discrepancies have equivalent base in genotype they may still express differently.
“Inclusive fitness is a strategy made to promote the spread of similar genotypes. But the most efficient way to promote one’s genes is to have offsprings by oneself. Inclusive fitness or rather kin selection just describes how some genes went to be selected because genetically related individuals coped with evolutionary challenges by cooperative behaviors. But it is less strong than direct sexual selection of genes carried by sexually more productive individuals.”
Ah, that’s what I assumed. This ties into my other point. that intelligent organsims will eventually become aware of their selfish genes, and speciation becomes implausible. Individuals who are not phsycially capable to bare children may find other ways to help “their” genes reproduce, which is where EGI(or GI if that’s what you prefer) comes into play.
“Read again:
“Be humble please, like most HBDers, you’re calling dumb things you don’t understand.”
“That’s like the 4th time you’ve used some variation of that insult and it was barely humorous the first time.”
It wasn’t meant to be humorous, it is just an objective description of what you’re showing here.”
My Quote was not in response to other one, if that’s what you’re implying.
Keep your day job and leave “objective” observation to me and other real scientists.
“That’s only half true. At one point gene flow was incredibly restricted, nowadays admixture is almost common which is why the clinal pattern within the variation is not a side effect of natural selection through geographic barriers but instead from a lax of sexual exclusiveness.”
That’s 100% correct, every regions that are at the crossroads of phenotypic extremes (South Asia, MENA, South-East Asia, Central Asia, The Horn of Africa) have a mixed phenotypes.
“However, if the species in question is highly intelligent and displays complex social organisation it will apply what I described as the “divide and conquer” strategy effectively re energizing gene flow every so often. One reason why Inclusive fitness on an ethnic scale will become virtually non existent.”
I still can’t relate that to any proven fact.
“But that’s bullshit. People still mate almost always within their race.”
First, not all cultures are race conscious. Some countries like India, Madagascar Egypt or Ethiopia have a very high degree of phenotypic variation but don’t put social labels to these phenotypes. Within white populations, blue eyed people are not considered a different race from brown eyed people though these are clearly distinct phenotypes.
Currently in Britain, and probably in France too (although we don’t have statistics) the Black Caribbean community is disappearing with children with two Black Caribbean parents now forming a minority among children with Black Caribbean background.
Race is an arbitrary social construct based on some specific phennotypes, in some specific societies with a very specific history if you know what I mean. It is by no means a universal and stable way of categorizing human differences. The rest of your paragraph is BS.
“Well then doesn’t that also seem like a partial explanation for the differences in proportion?”
No, Brazil as most Latin American countries have had large mixed race populations ince colonial times, they were never founded as white man’s countries. Except for Argentina and Uruguay that had low African and Native populations and decided to increase white immigration to have a large enough population instead of hiring African or Asian slaves or coolies.
The reason why Latin America developed no intermarriage taboo is that the harsh climates initially made the immigration of white women difficult. These countries were settled by white men who took native and African concubines. In addition to that, Mediterranean cultures are open to race mixing and the bulk of Brazil’s migrants were Italians and Iberians. had they had more Germans and Britons, the race-mixing could have been somewhat less successful, and I even doubt it with what is happening with Black Caribbean Britons.
“Individuals who are not phsycially capable to bare children may find other ways to help “their” genes reproduce, which is where EGI(or GI if that’s what you prefer) comes into play.”
I doubt there is something genetically intentional in kin selection. It’s just that behaviors that favor collective survival will eventually select the genotypes of individuals in a cooperative community.
“Keep your day job and leave “objective” observation to me and other real scientists.”
You know you look ridiculous by pretending to be a scientist ?
“That’s 100% correct, every regions that are at the crossroads of phenotypic extremes (South Asia, MENA, South-East Asia, Central Asia, The Horn of Africa) have a mixed phenotypes.”
Indeed, even native americans are an admixed population.
“I still can’t relate that to any proven fact.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree#Identity_and_ethnicity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe#Kinship_and_clan_system
http://hunter-gatherers.org/introd.html
I may have more for you later, I’m in the process of trying to find more direct examples. I feel as though I’ve explained it adequately. Race realist showed that even Killer whales participate to some extent: http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms11693
“First, not all cultures are race conscious. ”
I know, that doesn’t mean they won’t preferentially mate.
“Within white populations, blue eyed people are not considered a different race from brown eyed people though these are clearly distinct phenotypes.”
Yeah, some white guys have brown eyes and black hair but if you put you or me next to one you could still tell the difference. Even if that white guy was completely black skinned too.
“Race is an arbitrary social construct based on some specific phennotypes, in some specific societies with a very specific history if you know what I mean. It is by no means a universal and stable way of categorizing human differences.”
I know, but don’t say that too loud….they’re watching.
“The rest of your paragraph is BS.”
No it’s not Phenotypic similarity even in the form of abstractions are used as scales for attractiveness. You could at least explain yourself. You get offended too easily
“Mediterranean cultures are open to race mixing and the bulk of Brazil’s migrants were Italians”
Aren’t Mediterranean cultures and peoples admixed themselves?
“I doubt there is something genetically intentional in kin selection. It’s just that behaviors that favor collective survival will eventually select the genotypes of individuals in a cooperative community.”
That’s what I said.
“You know you look ridiculous by pretending to be a scientist ?”
Pretending? And I’m supposed to believe the “hyper masculine” black guy who could rule any hood with an iron fist is also a lawyer who spends his free time arguing with racist strangers? Philo is right you’re a magic negro.
“Indeed, even native americans are an admixed population.”
If it’s sarcastic, reread my statement, I talked about populations at the crossroads of phenotypic extremes.
“I may have more for you later, I’m in the process of trying to find more direct examples”
Yeah, come back with more convincing evidences.
“I know, that doesn’t mean they won’t preferentially mate.”
They won’t, or at least not at a level that would resemble artificial selective breeding.
“Yeah, some white guys have brown eyes and black hair”
Only “some” whites have brown eyes and dark hair ? Come to France, they’re the majority yet no one is saying the French are another race than Germanics.
“but if you put you or me next to one you could still tell the difference. Even if that white guy was completely black skinned too.”
That’s normal, our ancestral lineages have been separated by a long distance and for a very long time so we are the fruit of different selection pressures for our respective phenotypes. In addition to that, your culture has not been used to my phenotype long enough and in neutral circumstances for my phenotype to be seen as perfectly normal. In India however, there have been very dark people and very white people co-existing as equals for such a long time that these two phenotypes have no social implications, except western influenced colorism.
” You could at least explain yourself. You get offended too easily”
PP has often said here that there was a correlation of 0.45 between the IQ of two partners. And he said that’s this correlation is the highest among all traits. And we don’t know where this correlation comes from, it might just be due to people meeting and living in similar environments instead of attraction for similar IQ, which is not a measure of personality.
“Aren’t Mediterranean cultures and peoples admixed themselves?”
The Mediterranean is a crossroads of the western half of the old world. It has a long history of trade, multicultural empires and invasions so yes, Mediterranean genomes are influenced by the neighboring areas.
“And I’m supposed to believe the “hyper masculine” black guy who could rule any hood with an iron fist is also a lawyer who spends his free time arguing with racist strangers? Philo is right you’re a magic negro.”
Firstly, I said I found myself too sophisticated (classy, not gayish) to be the perfect alpha but if I had been raised in a tough area, I would have had the physique and personality to be one of the big boys.
Secondly, yes I’m a black hyper-masculine lawyer discussing with racists on my phone ? Which one’s incompatible with the other(s) ?
If you want some incompatibility, just imagine a scientist that would say Lynn’s data are robust when they don’t respect the basic principles of the scientific method.
“If it’s sarcastic, reread my statement, I talked about populations at the crossroads of phenotypic extremes.”
I didn’t think it was sarcasm.
“Yeah, come back with more convincing evidences.”
Oh, the idea is basically fact, I was just trying to confirm it for you because you seemed to be having trouble. The links I posted do a nice job of explaining the concept I was conveying, but not to the level of detail I wanted it to.
“That’s normal, our ancestral lineages have been separated by a long distance and for a very long time so we are the fruit of different selection pressures for our respective phenotypes. ”
Exactly, so the existence of overlapping traits is irrelevant.
“In addition to that, your culture has not been used to my phenotype long enough and in neutral circumstances for my phenotype to be seen as perfectly normal. In India however, there have been very dark people and very white people co-existing as equals for such a long time that these two phenotypes have no social implications, except western influenced colorism.”
You mean they got used to it. That ties into my point about globalization.
“PP has often said here that there was a correlation of 0.45 between the IQ of two partners. And he said that’s this correlation is the highest among all traits. And we don’t know where this correlation comes from, it might just be due to people meeting and living in similar environments instead of attraction for similar IQ, which is not a measure of personality.”
That is actually quite a bit. That means a person with an IQ of 145 would have a partner with an IQ of 120. Unless IQ has diminishing returns.
IQ correlates to personality. Individuals with similar IQ’s probably have similar incomes and live in similar neighborhoods. Don’t you have a wife/girlfriend/whatever? Would you be with her if she were far less intelligent than you?
I want to at least be able to hold conversation with someone I’m planning on starting a life with.
“The Mediterranean is a crossroads of the western half of the old world. It has a long history of trade, multicultural empires and invasions so yes, Mediterranean genomes are influenced by the neighboring areas.”
So they probably wouldn’t have a problem with race mixing to begin with huh?
“Secondly, yes I’m a black hyper-masculine lawyer discussing with racists on my phone ? Which one’s incompatible with the other(s) ?”
Not incompatible, just incomprehensible. Me as a scientist is nowhere near as outlandish as what you “are”.
“just imagine a scientist that would say Lynn’s data are robust when they don’t respect the basic principles of the scientific method.”
Better yet imagine a scientist who understands a lack of data does not explain away existing data that has already been repeated and validated. Amazing.
“So they probably wouldn’t have a problem with race mixing to begin with huh?”
Italians are pretty ‘racist’.
Are they? Or are they just nationalists?
“I was just trying to confirm it for you because you seemed to be having trouble.”
Well you failed to confirm anything, you could have shared a link to one of your peer-reviewed studies Mr. Scientist. lol.
“Exactly, so the existence of overlapping traits is irrelevant.”
No, because in places where phenotypes weren’t so isolated by time and distance, they bore no social significance, or at least nothing more than superficial and changing beauty standards or superstitions like those we have with redheads in France or albinos in parts of Africa.
“You mean they got used to it. That ties into my point about globalization.”
Yes but it happened a long time before globalization, social grouping based on phenotype has been the exception, not the norm, in global history.
“IQ correlates to personality.”
There are many types of intelligent personality and everyone is not sensitive to the same expressions of intelligence.
“Individuals with similar IQ’s probably have similar incomes and live in similar neighborhoods.”
Yeah, and you would probably obtain the same correlation if you replaced IQ by parental wealth.
“Don’t you have a wife/girlfriend/whatever? Would you be with her if she were far less intelligent than you?”
I’m engaged Sir, and believe it or not, my future wife is a lawyer too, though we don’t specialize in the same fields of law.
What I look for in a girl is complementarity more than similarity. I date girl from similar social background but I don’t mind small differences. My girl is Jewish and I’m a Catholic, my family has roots in the provincial aristocracy and has a tradition of being law professionals, hers are Moroccan immigrants who established their business in Paris and they have no specific professional tradition. That’s about the maximum level of social difference that I can tolerate in a relationship. But our cultural references, manners and values are basically the same.
Apart from that, I don’t ask a girl to be a rocket scientist, I even like a girl that’s a little candid. I like a reasonable amount of disagreement so that we’re never bored once we have finished admiring ourselves. I also like a girl whose personality is different so that it makes me curious about her… In short I don’t want a girl that is intelligent but just a girl that’s interesting and I admit the latter needs some of the former.
“So they probably wouldn’t have a problem with race mixing to begin with huh?”
Gene flow isn’t race mixing in the way you understand it in the US. Some places in the Mediterranean have Some Subsaharan admixture, but it wasn’t brought here by pure blacks directly from the Congo. It was spread by Moors, Egyptians, Carthaginians or Arabs who had more or less distant Black ancestors.
“Not incompatible, just incomprehensible. Me as a scientist is nowhere near as outlandish as what you “are”.”
Ahah, I would need to be a drug dealer to be something you can comprehend.
“Better yet imagine a scientist who understands a lack of data does not explain away existing data that has already been repeated and validated. Amazing.”
Indeed, that’s amazing, the data is lacking but it’s existing somewhere else in the universe and has even been repeated and validated, by extraterrestrials I guess. That’s more than science, it is magic. Funny because no one has ever been able to replicate Lynn’s data, and Lynn hasn’t yet revealed his secret extra-terrestrial method.
“Italians are pretty ‘racist’.”
Italians, I mean some Italians, are xenophobic more than racist. European countries don’t have a culture of race like the US. But yes, immigration always create frictions. When the Italians, Portuguese and Poles immigrated to France they were not better welcomed than the Arabs, Africans and Asians today.
“I even like a girl that’s a little candid.”
It appears that candid is a false friend. I meant naive, the kind of girl you teach about life and who arouses your protector’s instincts.
“Well you failed to confirm anything, ”
Completely false. I substantiated my claim now either provide contradictory evidence or fuck off. Don’t waste my time.
“You could have shared a link to one of your peer-reviewed studies Mr. Scientist. lol.”
The more I talk to you, the more I realize how ignorant you are of science.
“No, because in places where phenotypes weren’t so isolated by time and distance, they bore no social significance, or at least nothing more than superficial and changing beauty standards or superstitions like those we have with redheads in France or albinos in parts of Africa.”
Yes, but a lack of social significance does’t mean it doesn’t exist. Just because there isn’t necessarily a stereotype for black africans in admixed countries doesn’t mean there is no averaged phenotype that characterizes them. Its’s like you said, they simply got used to it. At this point, I think we agree but are just arguing semantics EGI has no influential outcome on the genomic variance in globalized/highly intelligent species.
“There are many types of intelligent personality and everyone is not sensitive to the same expressions of intelligence.”
Explain the different types of intelligent personality?
“Yeah, and you would probably obtain the same correlation if you replaced IQ by parental wealth.”
Yeah, probably.
“That’s about the maximum level of social difference that I can tolerate in a relationship. But our cultural references, manners and values are basically the same.”
Exactly. The fact that your ” family has roots in the provincial aristocracy and has a tradition of being law professionals” Implies a genetic interest reinforcing that kind of traditional occupational status. You’re fiance who I assume is a Caucasoid jew, expresses incredibly similar phenotypic expressions of intelligence and personality. You’re right when you say it is not dependent on race, but individuals tend to cluster within their race geographically. Therefore more similar individuals are in closer proximity.
“I like a reasonable amount of disagreement so that we’re never bored once we have finished admiring ourselves.In short I don’t want a girl that is intelligent but just a girl that’s interesting and I admit the latter needs some of the former.”
I agree, I’m with a white girl who is a little too passive for me. I like someone who will argue with me.
“Some places in the Mediterranean have Some Subsaharan admixture, but it wasn’t brought here by pure blacks directly from the Congo. It was spread by Moors, Egyptians, Carthaginians or Arabs who had more or less distant Black ancestors.”
I know, what I meant was that since Mediterranean areas have higher levels of admixture they probably would not be as strict on miscegenation, I’m speaking from a interest in genetics, not necessarily a conscious decision. They being mixed themselves probably go for other mixed individuals.
“Ahah, I would need to be a drug dealer to be something you can comprehend.”
Kind of, yeah. Were you adopted by whites? And you’re into a jewish girl. Your genetic inclination was probably always this level but I doubt it would have expressed the same when exposed to the conditions of most other africans.
“Funny because no one has ever been able to replicate Lynn’s data, and Lynn hasn’t yet revealed his secret extra-terrestrial method.”
Yes they have. Even by his most prominent critics
“Regarding several methodology issues of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Hunt and Wittmann compared contemporary educational data from the Program for International Student Assessment with national wealth. They concluded that Lynn and Vanhanen’s empirical conclusion is correct, but they questioned the simple explanation that national intelligence causes national wealth.”
“Rindermann’s analysis found many of the same groupings and correlations found by Lynn and Vanhanen, with the lowest scores in sub-Saharan Africa, and a correlation of .60 between cognitive skill and GDP per capita. According to Hunt, due to there being far more data available, Rindermann’s analysis was more reliable than those by Lynn and Vanhanen. By measuring the relationship between educational data and social well-being over time, this study also performed a causal analysis, finding that nations investing in education lead to increased well-being later on.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/per.634/abstract;jsessionid=6F77BC2B1C4E9467ED4720E09026037E.f03t03
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606001425
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence#Studies_of_national_cognitive_ability
The main issues with lynn’s data was a huge portion of it being simple averaging from neighboring countries and some non- representative samples.
“It appears that candid is a false friend. I meant naive, the kind of girl you teach about life and who arouses your protector’s instincts.”
That’s what a daughter is bro. “feminine” girly girls make horrible mothers. Or better yet dependent women make for bad moms.
peepee has obviously never been in an actual fight.
punching and kicking are totally useless.
even if you land one it will be at such short range it won’t have much force.
I agree. I’ve been in quite a few rumbles growing up.
Put it like this, PP. The best wrestler would destroy the best boxer. I’m pretty confident that Kurt Angle in his prime would beat Mike Tyson in his prime.
I just used best boxer as a proxy for best fighter. It’s too hard to find height stats on the overall best fighters because no one can agree who they are.
there might be one exception though i’ve never seen it tried.
i’m sure you can guess what it is…
an american football kicker or great soccer player. all it takes is one kick.
maybe mma outlaws this.
imagine it. quadzilla runs out of his corner for a punt or a place kick. except there’s no ball.
Nah. If im fast and powerful enough, your ass is knocked out before youll be able to get me on the ground.
Ian has never been in afight.
Ive choked out school wrestlers and all ive done is box.
Wrestling is easy you just shift your weight.
Honestly its best to be an all around fighter like MMA
Ian is Mug of Pee. I am sure he’s had the shit kicked out of him many times before he learned to confine his arrogance to the internet where it’s safe.
^^^ lol
Melo, Kurt Angle vs Mike Tyson, both in their primes. Who will win?
peepee is lying again, and showing her extreme proleness.
no one has ever beaten me up, but i’ve beaten up plenty.
i’ve always been big, but never fat. when i was a kid i was even bigger relative to my classmates than i am now. always the 99th percentile in height and weight.//
Neither your height or weight are currently in the top 1% & even if they were, you’re too dumb to win a fight. You lack fluid IQ.
It’s ok; you’re just big boned.
again the very poor attempt at humor.
i actually am big boned, large framed.
i’m 100% w european with 7% body fat, but i have the frame of a samoan and the proportions of a chimp.
my lean body mass is more than fedor’s and i’m 2″ taller. if i fought at mma i’d be a heavyweight.
now my height is only the 91st percentile in america for males according to some online calculator and the 50th percentile in the dinaric alps.
i think i was bigger due to accelerated maturity. this happens. although i only stopped growing at 18.
size 12 shoe. no football helmet for my head. i played de and rb. scored lots of tds.
bench and squat only 225, but that’s without any training.
Philosopher thinks Im hilarious.
“Melo, Kurt Angle vs Mike Tyson, both in their primes. Who will win?”
Damn. That’s a hard one, both are beasts.
MMA fight I have to give it to kurt
street fight would be tyson.
Tyson has just too much raw power if he landed even one punch on kurt they’d probably have to peel him off the curb
At the same time kurt would just go for his legs and aim for the kill as quick as possible.
i lack fluid IQ?
just more lies by peepee.
really pathetic.
i lack fluid IQ?
You bet!
Virtually all of your quality ideas have been regurgitated from books, rather than original thoughts
Evidence continues to accumulate showing college admission tests are not that g loaded & the only true IQ test you ever took (WISC-R) gave mixed results at best
You went from upper class to hardcore white trash in one generation
Take my fluid test. It only takes 5 min and it’s 100% verbal
Take my fluid test. It only takes 5 min and it’s 100% verbal
What is it ?
this is how it would go peepee:
http://www.jcdr.net/article_fulltext.asp?id=119
Relationship of IQ with Glucose and Lipid Level
Conclusion
IQ is very important as it reflects intelligence and as such thought to be related to the academic performance. Many of the factors related to a higher IQ is hereditary and cannot be changed. To increase IQ or academic performances many workers are concentrating their works on changeable and achievable objectives. Studies are done showing IQ is related to cerebral blood glucose level and overall brain size. The study as done here shows that IQ is strongly correlated with glucose assimilation after a glucose load, overall utilization and metabolism. Further, IQ is also showing relationship with lipid profile values and serum bilirubin level. Further studies are needed to establish this.
”IQ is very important as it reflects intelligence”
REFLECTS…
but IT’S not…
just read between the word meanings firstly to conclude anything.
Interesting Animekitty. Do you have a reference for that chart?
It should be referenced in the link up top, fig 1 in the midle of the article.
http://www.jcdr.net/article_fulltext.asp?id=119
Results
Blood samples analyzed for plasma glucose utilisation in respect of IQ are shown in (Table/Fig 1).
Psychometricianz are that usual people that start their conclusive assumptions from a poor conceptual basis. They believe measure and analyze is exactly the same thing.
the more interesting thing to note about heavyweight boxing is how it’s been dominated by whites for the last 18 years, namely two ukranian brothers and now an irish traveler named “tyson fury”.
so much for HBD and sport.
best boxers at MMA would be marciano and tyson (in his prime). marciano would fight as a middle weight, tyson as a heavyweight. why? because marciano is the best conditioned boxer ever and both of them punched very hard.
tyson vs emelianenko might end with the first punch thrown by tyson. i don’t think that would be true of any other boxer.
it started in the first grade.
some big kid was picking on another big but faggy kid.
i intervened and sent the bully to the hospital.
RR and Afrosapiens are more alpha than you
Except that I’ve never needed to be violent, people just naturally don’t look for trouble with me.
My ranking of alpha males on this blog
1. Afrosapiens/RR?
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2. ????
Thank you. It comes naturally, I don’t even try.
Let’s say RR is more alpha than me, I’m a preppy guy with sophisticated manners despite my hyper-masculine personality and physique. But if I had been raised in the hood, I would be on top without discussion.
trump’s an interesting case.
not only the oldest president at first inauguration, but likely the biggest president even without the fat.
trump is very robust.
that is, even without the fat he’d have a high BMI.
Trumpy has an alpha physique no doubt.
I saw an interview where he mentioned he was good at sport and was nearly signed professionally to play baseball.
He was also good at wrestling apparently, and that makes sense. He’s got a 4 handicap in golf and played american football.
He said he was rubbish at basketball though as he can’t jump. Mesomorphs usually can’t.
I would bet Trump would be a decent powerlifter.
Watch at the way Trump reacts to presidential assasination scenarios:
1. He stands his ground and doesn’t hold his hands around his body/head like most people would do…maybe its shock though.
2. Trump is as big as his bodyguards.
Teddy Roosevelt had a similar build for his day. He took a bullet to the chest during a speech and kept talking for another hour.
don’t think trump is that athletic. his hands are too small . mesomorhs typically have big hands and are good at jumping due to typically having a higher percentage of fast-twitch fibres. trump would have made a poor powerlifter . I think he’s more the skinny-fat somotype
“skinny-fat somatype”
endo.
ecto rr.
Grey is wrong. Mesomorphs are usually power lifters and wrestlers and linebackers. Not basketball players or sprinters.
Sorry, not mesomorph, endomorph, the Dan Cormiers and most of the pacific Islanders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker3.htm
Let’s say RR is more alpha than me, I’m a preppy guy with sophisticated manners despite my hyper-masculine personality and physique. But if I had been raised in the hood, I would be on top without discussion.
I was raised in a rich area. Though I grew up below the poverty line. I was a tough guy when u was younger and didn’t care about school. Then I realized school was important for life even though I’m successful without it. That’s why I went back to school. I need to be assertive got my job. It comes with the territory. Strong minded men will always be chosen over the meek. I also get up without a father and taught myself how to be a man.
Alright, then I take the top spot lol. I did middle school in the military and the environment wasn’t elite, I hadn’t had yet developed mature class consciousness at that time so I integrated easily there and I was among the dominant males. Now I doubt I’d be able to be that dominant if I had to live with males from lower classes.
Maybe I’m wrong here….
But pumpkin saying a heavyweight boxing champ must be 2 SDs in height to be proficient or excel is poor logic.
It’s not that height measures boxing ability….more than it measures being a heavyweight ability.
Poor show.
Poor show.
What actually measures boxing ability is not just height, but I imagine a strong combination of bone density, psychological tenacity and a freak reach. Tyson was a pretty stocky but shortish guy who could make the weight, but usually you have to be 6’2+ to be making heavyweight in terms of body structure.
Anyone shorter bulking up like that its going to tank in the cardio. Mcgregor vs diaz as middleweight was a great example of a guy with world class conditioning getting tanked from the bulking needed. But technically speaking, McGregor is a better fighter than Diaz.
There are lads like Daniel Cormier that have done well fighting much taller guys. But they are usually bulky stocky tugboat kind of guys naturally. Middleweight champ Bisping is taller than light heavy champ Cormier.
I used to do a lot of wrestling, mma and then dabbled in a tiny bit of boxing when I was younger.
I would say all 3 demand the best cardio of all sports, not just strength. So its a small guy bulking that kills him, because he can’t keep up.
I was a fucking good wrestler, and BJJ guy although my stand up needs work.
Tyson Fury trained at the Peacock gym near where I used to live in Greenwich. I saw him in there once or twice. He is fucking massive. He likes talking about Zion like I do, although not in the gym hahaha.
Of course, Pumpkin may rejoinder that the heavyweight champs of boxing or MMA are usually the best fighters full stop in a real life sense.
In that case, yes it’s better to be taller.
FALSE.
all else is never equal.
height has diminishing returns such that those returns eventually become negative.
usian bolt is one of the very few people so tall who have the coordination of someone shorter.
no. shaq vs fedor. no contest.
remember this?
One thing I would say about real life fight situations where you’re outgunned is that if you look like you’re standing your ground and you say the right words implying something dangerous for them, you can get a much tougher guy or small group of guys to back off.
You simply have to lie, avec iron confiance.
Spread doubt.
if one isn’t a pro then so called “fluid IQ” may matter, but if you’re a pro it doesn’t matter at all. the fights end in a finite set of ways. fight long enough you learn all of them. how many times did fedor do that arm lock thing for God’s sake, and he’s the best ever.
still no one has taken me up on my suggestion. what if a guy who could punt 70 yards just runs out of his corner and “punts” his opponent? these guys are candidates.
and you believe in the genetic basis for IQ so there must be some sign of high IQ in your family peepee if yours is high. or you’re just a sport, a mutation.
but there ain’t. if there were you’d’ve mentioned it. you haven’t.
and you believe in the genetic basis for IQ so there must be some sign of high IQ in your family peepee if yours is high. or you’re just a sport, a mutation.
My great granddad was an eminent academic much much brighter than your deadbeat dad, who couldn’t hack it in the real world because he was too moral LOL but your premise is silly
My WISC-R IQ was about 135 after adjusting for old norms. The correlation between first degree relatives is only about 0.45, so people with my IQ should have families averaging only 117 & people with family averaging 117 should have IQs around 109; regression works both ways
the triple 9 society must not know what they’re doing either, right peepee?
http://www.triplenine.org/HowtoJoin/TestScores.aspx
I often wonder how much brainwashing reduces IQ. Mugumbo mentioned that drinking sloshes it by 25 points.
I pick up the Financial Times today while I’m in the waiting area, and there’s a few articles on Russian hacking, cybersecurity and so on.
You would have to be struggling with basic dental care to believe this stuff.
It’s like that man in a monkey costume wandering in in that breakdance video maybe.
Or maybe I think this is where the autism and acculturation comes. I’m not well socialised and I have fairly primitive instincts behind my some might say, more advanced aesthetics and lego set building.
People with CFAs, Phds and JDs can’t see the dancing man in the monkey suit amid the straight corporate deal reporting because they have the latter refinements, but only a ‘civilised’ brain i.e. bred to follow rules and socialise well with others that follow rulzes as Master wants.
So I’m in this no man’s land so to speak.
The vast majority of nerds don’t have immigrant bashing instincts.
The vast majority of council taters don’t have my interests or see things analytically.
Our colleague Mikey makes a similar point I used to make that high IQ is dysfunctional
But I was wrong…not quite.
High IQ with a primitive brain (i.e. large amygdala function) is dysfunctional.
High IQ with autistic tendency is mentally ok, and rewarded financially. But the Algorithm punishes autists by withdrawing reproductive avenues because its an abomination against The Struggle of the Will qui sera nécessaire pour l’evolution.
Were you raised by a single mom? A lot of Trump supporters seem to have strong daddy issues.
what color are your eyes deal?
Brown
Mugumbo mentioned that drinking sloshes it by 25 points.
i did no such thing.
only the most severe and long standing alcohol abuse has any appreciable effect on any “neurocognitive” test. and no such test is included in IQ batteries. alcohol abuse and even moderate drinking DO have an effect, a statistically significant effect, but the effect is practically trivial.
alcoholism has no effect on IQ.
rare exceptions are WK, alcoholic dementia (which is reversible), and MB.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke%E2%80%93Korsakoff_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol-related_dementia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchiafava%E2%80%93Bignami_disease
In the Man of Genius Lombroso found great variance in brain size of known geniuses of his era XIX century and generally geniuses (or “geniuses”) or have a bigger or a little brains rarely a avg brain. Maybe the “brilliant” people with little brains or below average brain size tend to have greater white matter in their frontal lobes explaining partially or predominantly their brilliance even because little brains are physically better to the GLOBAL inter connectivity that tend to correlate considerably with psychotic spectrum. On other hand bigger brains tend to correlates with greater LOCAL inter connectivity of the brain, with autistic spectrum and with scientific geniuses. Interestingly I think Ashkenazis have exactly the same pattern: Greater variance of their brain size and greater proportion of little and bigger brains. Ashkenazis also seems have more white matter in their frontal lobes just like pathological liars and both tend to be very food to be theorists as well to be faster reasoning. Unfortunately hbds seems don’t want analyze via this perspective “white versus grey matter” the racial and group differences. I bet Ashkenazis had greater white matter, not at patholgocial liars but near and as consequence little higher grey matter than pathological liars. This types are just like uncontrolled verbal/intra personal creativity.
The frontal lobes are used to program the brain. (Fluid Intelligence)
I have a bigger forehead, yes, just like Mongolia demographic density, too space…
=(
Ashkenazis also seems have more white matter in their frontal lobes just like pathological liars and both tend to be very food to be theorists as well to be faster reasoning
How do you know ?
he is one (a pathological liar) 😉
Just a word…
I think some “smell like jungle” here should be leave to die in “Haiti”…. But some “whoites” are so dumb ao hopeless
I’m still try to pay attention to their posts illuminatica, by mercy, compassion but i really don’t think you’re interesting or insightful as most commented here…
he is one (a pathological liar)
You might be right since he didn’t answer.
I’m a quasi-pathologically sincere person, classical pathological liar never be rude against other people… period.
Muh! me good boy…
It seems like santo culo has been denied access to google translate. Now it’s time to learn English.
I think you have very trash genes come from a very poor cracker”fathers”… You must be sterilized and castrated but a Jewish bitch fall in love with your pseudo emotions. Rabbis hate blacks and they are using them as useful idiots most them are specially certain carbon flakes….. Pure ego but super boring Congolazy…. He/it really think he is a genius just because he is a rare smorter black lol poor adopted creature.
“poor adopted creature.”
Very poor English skills.
You hate very few things to say about me…
Poor character is worst than have a poor English skills trashy goy.
All the time here you are just showing how monstrous you are and a dumb ones.
You become megalomaniacal just because your profession and social position in progressively self destructive French society. If you become a president of this or other country your levels of self deception would become astronomical.
You’re a fantastic example about what is essentially wrong in the world.
You’re high functioning avg Joey who think is a….genius????
Phil is totally superior to you. This guy is really a genuine brilliant black man. You’re a fraud. Your bigger vocabulary, perfect grammar, don’t surprise me, only people who have little knowledge about intelligence can be deceived by verbal illusion.
I’m using smartphone…. Have and not hate.
My mother, 😉
”ai lov iu”
AMEN!!
lovely
She loves me…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1t2U1CVIAA4p-Y.jpg:large
When I said Mel was my man crush, I meant that in a obsessed romantic manner, not a sexual one.
I’m going to get that photo framed in my house.
It gives me, so so much joy.
#OscarsSoAltRight
I’ve purposely held off seeing hacksaw until it comes to my nation’s cinema so I can pay Mel for the privilege. Mel is the OG of the alt right.
He was bashing Jewish media before it was popular!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux
According to Molyneux his mother was Jewish and born in Berlin in 1937
This is my cousin…
He’s mute and shepherd..
Glory of God!!!
Given the 0.2 correlation between height & IQ, could heavyweight boxers might be smarter than average ?
Of course they probably have traits which are negatively correlated with intelligence.
Melo why do you hate lawyers?!
You’re quite the shit starter aren’t you?
I don’t hate the profession. I hate the predictable psychology that comes with individuals who partake in the endeavor.
High verbal, virtually absent spatial. Can generate excuse after excuse in a “verbose” formatting of bullshit and semantics as a fallacious attempt to deviate from the main points. They’re pedantic people.
They’re cliche, and I hate stereotypes. Any lawyer/schizo/egalitarian is beyond annoying in that regard.
Why are you using a woman’s butt as a gravatar ?
Why not?
Don’t you enjoy seeing a Lovely ass everyday?
Why are you using a woman’s butt as a gravatar ?
Because he is a very r-selected human being. He is probably sexually very active, he masturbates a lot.
Don’t you enjoy seeing a Lovely ass everyday?
That’s not the reason why I visit this blog, and you didn’t answer my question btw.
“That’s not the reason why I visit this blog”
Ok?
“you didn’t answer my question btw.”
What Yotta said, except If I’m sexually very active then that means I probably don’t masturbate a lot.
Santo, do you still think I’m the dumbest commenter?
Deal with it is probably a troll.
Nah I just don’t care about looking dumb on the Internet. Why? Because I’m already successful in real life…
Yes. Why*
Just because i’m back*
”Because I’m already successful in real life…”
All mundane subhumans who never produced nothing really important things, only replicate, think like that.
The differences between you and me it’s not just on ”IQ”, is qualitative and not quantitative… is even more deep, in the essence than in the surface.
Call other people racist without any great argumentation is a demonstration of stupidity or better, training, mental conditioning.
I’m totally open to the people, ”white or not”, is honest, sincere about ”their” past ”mistakes”, this is the begining of wisdom. But i’m not in absolute favorable to the sacrifice of any people even the worst ones, because everything wrong is not cause of ”race” itself, physiological, but two mental conditions: anti-personality spectrum (sociopathy, psychopathy, narcisism) and stupidity. This two real beasts responsible for every shit humans have done.
Your personal pride is irrelevant as well any other. In the end you will die and become worm food as everyone. Is important have succesful in life, that is quite subjective, but is important too not to be arrogant about it because this is efemerous and unimportant to the immensity of reality.
”I’m totally open to the people, ”white or not”, is honest, sincere about ”their” past ”mistakes””
BE and not IS
”anti-personality spectrum”
anti social
it’s the heat
Shkreli harassed Lauren Duca (Philosopher’s favorite journalist) on Twitter and consequently got his account suspended.
Shkreli really is a weird gamma loser and a creep. Not to mention unfunny.
This is for you, PP.
If mammals had arisen late and helped to drive dinosaurs to their doom, then we could legitamately propose a scenario of expected progress. But dinosaurs remained domininant and probably became extinct only as a quirky result of the most unpredictable of all events—a mass dying triggered by extraterrestrial impact. If dinosaurs had not died in this event, they would probably still dominate the large-bodied vertebrates, as they had for so long with such conspicuous success, and mammals would still be small creatures in the interstices of their world. This situation prevailed for one hundred million years, why not sixty million more? Since dinosaurs were not moving towards markedly larger brains, and since such a prospect may lay outside the capability of reptilian design (Jerison, 1973; Hopson, 1977), we must assume that consciousness would not have evolved on our planet if a cosmic catastrophe had not claimed the dinosaurs as victims. In an entirely literal sense, we owe our existence, as large reasoning mammals, to our lucky stars. (Gould, 1989, 320)
Read Wonderful Life.
Since dinosaurs were not moving towards markedly larger brains,
False. There was massive encephalization during the reign of the dinosaurs, and if you simply extrapolate linearly in time, scientist Dale Russell found dinosaurs would have looked something like this had they not gone extinct:
Evolution is not as random as you think. The same features keep evolving over and over again, independently, because they work the best.
Check out the cite that Gould cites showing that markedly bigger brains lie outside reptilian ‘design’.
“Dale Russell found dinosaurs would have looked something like this had they not gone extinct:”
See the citations Gould provides.
Also, distantly related lineages share common structural features resistant to change but the emergence of such is due to historical contingency.
That’s a smaller part of the reason I posted the quote. My reason for posting it is that ‘progress’ could be possible if mammals came after dinosaurs and led to their extinction. However, mammals and dinosaurs were around at the same time. If not for the asteroid impact dinosaurs would still be around today.
With Goulds citations on reptiles structural inability to have big brains, I doubt something would have resembled us if the dinosaurs had not died out 65 mya.
And he is right that we must assume that consciousness opulent have evolved if the dinosaurs hadn’t of died out.
And the same features evolve “again and again” because of contingent convergence. Recall back to hoe energy, really, is the main driver of evolution.
markedly bigger brains lie outside reptilian ‘design’
Then they would have made the leap to non-reptiles. Birds evolved from dinosaurs and some species of birds are so encephalized and smart that they place walnuts in the middle of the road, wait for a car to crack them open, and then swoop back to eat them.
I seriously doubt dinosaurs would have evolved into a reptilian humanoid.
A big brain is remarkable and probably would have evolved multiple times over and over again, But what makes humans really special is our bipedalism. Without tool use and socialization our big brains become redundant.
Dolphins don’t have hands and will probably never acquire them
If you’re looking for an animal that could potentially evolve into a species that rivals our own intelligence and level of tool complexity it is the octopus.
“Then they would have made the leap to non-reptiles. Birds evolved from dinosaurs and some species of birds are so encephalized and smart that they place walnuts in the middle of the road, wait for a car to crack them open, and then swoop back to eat them.”
How do you know this? “So encephalized” I laughed.
Large-brained corvids and parrots have an equal amount or greater number of neurons than primates with much larger brains.
They have the potential to provide “much higher “cognitive power” per unit mass than do mammalian brains.”
The results of our study reveal that avian brains contain many more pallial neurons than equivalently sized mammalian brains.
…
Large corvids and parrots possess the largest avian brains, harboring the highest absolute numbers of neurons. Their total numbers of neurons are comparable to those of small monkeys or much larger ungulates.
Corvids have scaled-up songbird brains. Residual mass is larger.
We suggest that corvid brains are scaled-up songbird brains, just as humans brains are to brains of nonhuman primates (38, 47), and that large absolute numbers of neurons endow corvids with superior cognitive abilities.
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/26/7255.full
Again, you keep ignoring encephalization quotient which is the only brain variable proven to predict intelligence across the animal kingdom
“Again, you keep ignoring encephalization quotient which is the only brain variable proven to predict intelligence across the animal kingdom”
Dude it’s pretty conclusive. Birds have a primate-like number of neurons in their frontal regions. This is why, for instance, the crow is so intelligence. Nothing to do with EQ.
And whales have more cortical neurons than people, but people have much more encephalization
Encephalization better predicts intelligence
However, the notion that higher encephalization correlates with improved cognitive abilities has recently been disputed in favor of absolute numbers of cortical neurons and connections (Roth and Dicke, 2005), or simply absolute brain size (Deaner et al., 2007). If encephalization were the main determinant of cognitive abilities, small-brained animals with very large encephalization quotients, such as capuchin monkeys, should be more cognitively able than large-brained but less encephalized animals, such as the gorilla (Marino, 1998). However, the former animals with a smaller brain are outranked by the latter in cognitive performance (Deaner et al., 2007).
Muh EQ.
However, the notion that higher encephalization correlates with improved cognitive abilities has recently been disputed in favor of absolute numbers of cortical neurons and connections
So whales are smarter than people?
or simply absolute brain size
So elephants are smarter than people?
“So whales are smarter than people?”
I don’t think you understand this: “There are pretty large limitations to what you can do underwater.”
Also, the long-finned pilot whale has twice as big of a cerebral cortex than we do, we have a smaller cortex with a higher NPD than they do. This obviously implies more connections.
Anyway, I’m not an expert on this and I await Herculano-Houzel to say something about it. I’m pretty sure I’m right.
RR: “or simply absolute brain size”
“So elephants are smarter than people?”
Try checking out that citation….
“So whales are smarter than people?”
I don’t think you understand this: “There are pretty large limitations to what you can do underwater.”
And your point is?
Also, the long-finned pilot whale has twice as big of a cerebral cortex than we do, we have a smaller cortex with a higher NPD than they do. This obviously implies more connections.
So now it’s connections that matter, not neurons. Do humans have the most connections of any animsl or are you just assuming?
Anyway, I’m not an expert on this and I await Herculano-Houzel to say something about it.
LOL. Keep waiting for your Brazilian soccer mom to rescue you.
….
“Large-brained corvids and parrots have an equal amount or greater number of neurons than primates with much larger brains.
They have the potential to provide “much higher “cognitive power” per unit mass than do mammalian brains.””
That’s actually amazing. Even though they’re more efficient they would have a much harder time evolving into a species capable of civilization than would a primate.
I wonder how dense the neurons in a cephalopod’s brain is. Do you have any more papers like that race realist?
“I don’t think you understand this: “There are pretty large limitations to what you can do underwater.”
Also, the long-finned pilot whale has twice as big of a cerebral cortex than we do, we have a smaller cortex with a higher NPD than they do. This obviously implies more connections.”
I showed the other day that pilot whales have twice the surface area in the neocortex than we do but only 50% more neurons. More than likely we have higher density.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/facts.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-finned_pilot_whale
“And your point is?”
My point is, the data from Mortenson et al show that long-finned pilot whale brains scale similarly to primate brains.
Also, swimming in the ocean and being bipedal and able to use tools are two different measures. The cognitive abilities of whales (re: whales hasn’t really been tested. Also, unihemispheric sleep has been shown to reduce brain function. The high amount of neurons are also to counteract heat loss as they dive to the depths of the ocean.
Also, whales have 4 folds in their cortex, humans have 6.
“So now it’s connections that matter, not neurons. Do humans have the most connections of any animsl or are you just assuming?”
I’m wrong. I shouldn’t have assumed. Forgot about this:
The appealing alternative view that total connectivity, gauged from the total number of synapses in the brain, should be a direct determinant of brain processing capabilities runs into the same difficulty. Although this possibility remains to be examined systematically, the few pieces of evidence available in the literature suggest that synaptic density is constant across species (Cragg, 1967; Beaulieu and Colonnier, 1985; Schüz and Palm, 1989; Schüz and Demianenko, 1995). If that is indeed the case, the total numbers of brain synapses would be simply proportional to brain size and the differences in cognitive abilities between brains of a similar size would, again, be left unaccounted for.
And I also showed how theory of mind, imitation and language (though some studies show whales do have language) are the cause for our intelligence. As well as cultural transference and acquisition of ideas. Whales have been seen to evolve from ‘culture’.
“LOL. Keep waiting for your Brazilian soccer mom to rescue you.”
I have already told you my opinion and admitted that this is not my specific field (recall that I smashed you in my specific field).
Moreover, if you’d actually read the papers I provide, you’d see that the chart is based on animal brains tested with the IF. So I await results from the IF.
“….”
….
I admit my limitations, something you should do more often. I have already given a plausible explanation.
“I wonder how dense the neurons in a cephalopod’s brain is. Do you have any more papers like that race realist?”
Octopus neurons may have a higher ‘genetic complexity’ than humans’:
http://www.nature.com/news/octopus-genome-holds-clues-to-uncanny-intelligence-1.18177
Their arm nervous system contatins two-thirds of their 500,000,000 neurons:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.2307/4134567
“I showed the other day that pilot whales have twice the surface area in the neocortex than we do but only 50% more neurons. More than likely we have higher density.”
It’s implicitly stated in Mortenson et al 2014 that we have a higher NPD than they do as well as having more neurons than expected for our body weight.
Even then, ignoring whales, within land-dwelling mammals it is the best predictor of intelligence. Do you contest that PP?
“Octopus neurons may have a higher ‘genetic complexity’ than humans’:”
Just imagine a giant land octopus I wonder if their neuron/brain size scaling is like that of primates?
“It’s implicitly stated in Mortenson et al 2014 that we have a higher NPD than they do as well as having more neurons than expected for our body weight.”
I know, I was just saying, because it seemed like you and pumpkin were arguing about absolute brain size.
PP, why did you remove the article you wrote on your first speaking gig after I question you about it ?
questioned*
Hahaha.
I’m the least speciecist of all here BUT i recognize humans in terms of intelligence is insuperable by now at least in this solar system, deal with it.
If I had to rank the most speciecist commentator here it is without doubt Deal With Dyslexia. The hatred and pure hostility Deal has to people of Sasquatch descent is disturbing. For example, she is still in complete denial about her Sasquathcian/Native American ancestry.
She reminds me of that KKK clan leader who was blood tested and discovered 5% magic negro DNA. Total cognitive dissonance case.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/animals/rights/speciesism.shtml
Learn something
I don’t want to live in hate like you.
Stop trolling ffs.
Black guys are so hot omg.
I prefer white men, 😉
Hahaha, Deal’s great grandma going ‘real native’ as they used to say back then.
This Sasquatch stuff is the gift that keeps on giving.
Of course, in all seriousness, Pumpkin’s research has been bizarrely overlooked by scholars due to probable institutional speciecism.
Philosopher since you seem to be so interested in sasquatch here’s a blog about it. A lot of posts and they’re recent with podcasts.
https://sasquatchchronicles.com
Santo, you watch straight porn?
I already watch, by now less and i want to stop watch porn.
Why some of my comments are awaiting moderation ? We aren’t authorized to point out the fact that Santoculto is the dumbest commenter ?
Because lots of people love Santoculto and think he’s very insightful, so the blog can’t afford to lose him. He’s not dumb, he just doesn’t know English. How smart would you seem in Portuguese?
You realized that you number of visitors dropped when Santoculto leaved ? That’s good to know
I don’t know if the numbers drop when he leaves, but some people missed him. As a gay man from Brazil, he brings a very different perspective.
My perspective as gay man from Brazil in the globalistic reality seems little different from your first world perspective. And I have shown little about this.
My mind is so logical (that is rational or logically generalized, included emotional/empathetic departments) that SHE concluded that
”this fucking english is enough… keep pay attention to their specific interests… c’mmon”
If i’m less logical i probably start to study english.
”Santoculto is the dumbest commenter”
Maybe for you.
Aside from the fact I’m a massive Trump supporter, I genuinely enjoy watching him. Beating up gamma jew reporters is the icing on the cake.
Meanwhile socalled “Jewish gamma” jared kushner is fucking trump’s daughter, making sure his kids inherit trump’s empire, & running trump’s presidency, & when Bibi says “jump”, trump says “how high?”
I think you’re vastly overestimating Trump’s 3D chess skills
No I’m not. Trump’s social intelligence is unworldly, possibly unprecedented.
Its pretty obvious the man who used to run Miss Universe, had the number 1 tv show in the world, became US president and wrote the best selling business book of all time, not to mention a pussy hit list that is full of supermodels knows how games of men and mice are played.
He also trumped jews in a very zero sum industry called ‘Real Estate in Manhattan’ and is personal friends with many celebrities from different fields.
Obama has done 2 of these things and both because he is essentially America’s (((white guilt))) AA hire president.
And whose interests do you think trump is using all this “genius” to advance, other than his own?
“And whose interests do you think trump is using all this “genius” to advance, other than his own?”
Jews.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/11/08/donald-trump-and-ethnic-genetic-interests/
not to mention a pussy hit list that is full of supermodels knows how games of men and mice are played.
Seriously? You realize that those supermodels were only interested in his money right? They didn’t go for him because of his looks (he was never a looker) or his personality (which sucks). Sleeping with supermodels doesn’t indicate other worldly social intelligence. The guy is an imbecile who was born into money, period.
you’re the one who sucks.
“two spirit” types will do anything for a dick.
Not funny. Lame. Repetitive.
Sounds like Vladimir Putin really does appear in bathtubs with half these jew rats.
Jewish infestation in the highest power position seems alread in uncontrolable level… of course white mental slaves endorse it even when they don’t want…
Santo gets it. The only people that don’t get it are
Delta Males/Autists
Many high empathy women
Blacks/Jews/gays/other Zion Pokemon trojan horses
Brainwashed medium IQ people
Cut down Zion, you cut down Blacks in Nightclubs, gay friendly cartoons for kids and of course Jewish mind control and power.
ITS A RACKET for the Jews.
You can’t invert reality.
Jews are the bad guy gamma race of man as can be seen from the physiognomy.
Blacks are the savage psychopath race of man.
Gays the evidence of civilisation’s decline
As Nietsche said, the Jew inverts received morality.
What nietzsche may have erred on was the received morality is not entirely a social construction as I had argued before.
What the Jew always hones in on to invert morality i.e. the beggar is more noble than royalty!, Pharaoh is not chosen – we are the chosen ones! Blacks aren’t the race of man all races of man react negatively to instinctively – they’re the most innocent and biggest victims of bullying! Gays aren’t weird self centered 500 lifetime partner ditsy rag doll idiots – they’re evidence of progress! We aren’t the real enemy – is our enemies, the muslims, whom the muslim actors we hired in the CIA show! is….
(a) empathy of nice people whites
(b) lower verbal intelligence of whites which allows sophistry to take hold
(c) media control and psychological anchoring and priming/NLP techniques
(d) Oprah Winfrey
The answer is of course (a) to (c) with a particular emphasis on c due to the way children are most susceptible.
All religions/cults/authorities target children in the mind. Always vet the shows your kids watch, the books they read and the people they ‘learn’ from.
ITS A RACKET
But Nietzche was islamic-friend…
So
”Delta Males/Autists
Many high empathy women
Blacks/Jews/gays/other Zion Pokemon trojan horses
Brainwashed medium IQ people”
You say ”on avg”
There are many autistics who are jewish problem-aware, but seems majority of them are just.. well. just like other groups, unaware.
”Many high empathy women”
Most women is not*
”Blacks”
Most blacks who are ”on the left” are basically to defend, suposedly, their ethnic genetic interests… supposedly because we know new left/zionism is using blacks as useful idiots against whites.
”Gays”
Same thing… take note that all groups leftoid/zionistic umbrella abducted to work for them are discontent/ Has suffered enough in the hands of the old order.
”Whites” invaded entire world, enslaving/dominating many peoples, treat their gay fellow like shit just because jewish god say for them that gays don’t deserve any consideration/empathy, treat every people who are different from them with evil despise, to start…
Seems without jewish assault whites will continue to dominate entire world reducing planet earth to their backyard.
”Brainwashed ‘MEDIUM IQ people”
really only medium IQ**
Seems more ”higher IQ” ones has been ”leftwashed” more than avg ones.
Why they are so succesfull**
Yes i know they take the key-positions of the society BUT also they compilate ALL sins already commited by ”white people” and started to use it against them, simple…
So for example, we have on the ”righteous’ side people who want repare the ”mistakes” of ”their’ ancestral… it’s not wrong, otherwise, it’s right, very right… not just whites, every people must start to do it…
and they can do it without eliminating themselves, that’s the crucial question.
the fundamental association here is
be good IS not be racist
this single association is the most important of all because people start to associate kindness with not to be racist/don’t give a shit for racialism/etc…
perfectly for globalism…
In other hand we have the ”deplorable ones” who want to justify what is morally injustifiable but ”evolutionarily justifiable”…
Instead they try to win the game of white guilt start to analysing for themselves ”THEIR” past mistakes, they are serving as vivid example of ”white guilt”.
”Jews”, namely their intellectual elites anticipate themselves and start to do the next homework, originally, ”of” whites european gentiles… to create traps, they are jewssiraptors, lol
they are strategic
they have cold blood
they act in group
Just to be clear I have nothing in particular against ‘the gays’ or dis-gender people. They are nowhere near as dangerous as (((O___0))))) and Mumbungo rape-a-aholics. Not even close.
They are generally harmless.
But they are evidence of discivilisation – bad social engineering/bad nutrition/feminine hormones in water supply, whatever it is. Much like teen pregnancy stats or heroin sales.
To be fair, blacks hate gays as well and nobody ever says anything because Magic Negro Pokemon brainwashing conflicts with the homoholic script in the zion programming.
I met a partner at my firm today and not only is he gay, but he really ah, likes me, and tried to hold my hand when I shook it. If a hetero man did that to a new female hire it would be very dicery.
Ugh.
Women can be bad too. Its just most guys want the sex. My old bank director (female) kept coming onto me and I had to make the conversations so banal and about work she immediately figured out I was rejecting her.
I might start doing what Deal is doing and eat pizza all day and take dopers to make my professional life easier.
To be serious, women’s sexual harassment in the workplace or bosses asking for sex favours is a serious issue that the SJWs do get right. As a guy, I’m free to stonewall Mr Garrison or my cat lady director. But a female analyst is going to be pressurised into sum ting bad.
What the Jew always hones in on to invert morality i.e. the beggar is more noble than royalty!
I don’t think that is exactly what Jesus meant. When the disciples asked what sin did this man do to be born a cripple Jesus said he committed no sin. If you believe that people are they way they are because they deserve it you are failing to realize the arbitrary nature by which man judges things. Being born crippled does not make you a bad person. That is just how things happen to be. A corrupted heart is a corrupted character. People are not judged by God by status but by character. People can do the right thing regardless what they are but because of who they are. The confusion is thinking a person is who they are because of what they are. That is not true morality. That is the inversion.
A noble heart is better than a black heart in my opinion.
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Pure degeneracy.
Your brain… it’s dissolving…
No it’s not. A woman wants to date another woman and she’s married? Yea that’s degenerate. Look up the definition.
Dissolving is the same as degenerating, your brain exceptionally confused.
They are not killing anyone, if they were killing you maybe I would reward them.
Have you ever sterilized yourself or do you think your kids will be born broylliant like your father *
I probably won’t have children. You’re so violent. Why? Wanna talk about it?
PP, don’t you think that there is a self-selection effect in heavyweight boxing and that the correlation would be altered in everybody boxed ? It’s just a question, I have no particular opinion about that.
PP, don’t you think that there is a self-selection effect in heavyweight boxing and that the correlation would be altered in everybody boxed ? It’s just a question, I have no particular opinion about that.
Anything’s possible, but the point was to show that height is to physical power as IQ is to real power
One could argue there’s self-selection with IQ too
It’s very easy to throw out ideas. Proving them is what’s hard
Philosopher is a boring guy
He’s obsessed with “gaming” women and getting laid… He worships alpha males and categorizes people in a rigid, one might say, autistic way. It’s all normal stuff. Men think with their dicks.
Mugabe is much more interesting because he’s eccentric.
but not half as boring as you.
The PUA community is the definition of degenerate. How many plates can you spin? I mean I’m not in a serious relationship myself at the moment but I don’t fuck every woman I see.
Can you tell us more about your first speaking gig PP ? Why did you remove the article ?
I try not to answer questions from people who don’t have avatars.
What the…
You can answer know ?
It was a once in a life time experience. I removed the post because it was extremely arrogant.
i’m snowed in and peepee won’t post my comments. i’ll just have to look up, “green eyed mulatto lesbian” and jerk off.
https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DL9EqCtm4RM4&ved=0ahUKEwjj_u_SvL3RAhXB6SYKHQFvD50QtwIIJTAC&usg=AFQjCNEztl5AVUllf3BvrAyTVhPoFjjkkQ
Something about the sheer savagery of these Tyson knockouts gives me chills. And to think he was under 6 feet!
I meant to post that the first time…
1. MMA fighters would destroy boxing champions.
2. No surprise that “heavy” weight champions will be taller, because they are heavy weight.
3. Weight is one of the most important factors in fighting, that’s why there are weight classes. Weight is the king, height does not matter as much as weight.
+200 lbs(90 kg) is the heavy weight, there is no limit to that after. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_class_(boxing)