I define conservatism as siding with the powerful over the powerless. This may seem like a strange definition but it’s the single umbrella that covers the many forms conservatism takes. For example, if you support tax cuts for the rich, you are siding with the rich (who have power) over the poor (who lack power). If you oppose feminism, you are siding with men (who have power) over women (who lack power). If you oppose affirmative action, you are siding with non-blacks (who have power) over blacks (who lack power).
If you support the death penalty, you are siding with the government (who has power) over prisoners (who lack power). If you support the Israeli occupation, you are siding with Jews (who have power) over Palestinians (who lack power). If you support traditional values, you are siding with the establishment (who have power) over the counterculture (which lacks power).
Now studies (mostly done on whites) have found conservatives to be less intelligent than liberals. This is perhaps because from a moral perspective, conservatism is the wrong answer because it promotes inequality, and low IQ folks, by definition, get the wrong answer to all questions that require reasoning, including those that have a moral component.
One paradox is that blacks tend to be more liberal than whites, despite having lower IQs. This is perhaps because if you’re black, conservatism is not just wrong from a moral perspective, but also from the perspective of your self interests, and from the perspective of your ethnic genetic interests. In other words, for a black to be a conservative, they need to be wrong in three different ways, while a white only needs to be morally wrong to be conservative. This would explain why whites can be more conservative than blacks, despite having higher IQs. It also predicts that those blacks who are conservative, will be especially low in IQ (on average).
However commenter Tenn begs to differ, writing:
I disagree for two reasons. 1) a black person voting conservative rejects the herd mentality of that ethnic group to vote democrat, demonstrating the ability to think independently.
The flat earth society also shows an ability to think independently, but I wouldn’t characterize them as smart. Independent thinking may be a signing of critical objective analysis, or it could show an inability to learn from others, eccentricity, or just plain autism.
Tenn continues:
2) More importantly, liberal policies are not in fact in the genetic interest of the black community.
The liberal policies that you presume play to blacks advantage, such as welfare programs, do indeed work well in the short term. But over the long term they have crippled the black community. The best (or rather, worst) example is the aid to single mothers programs. Begun in the 50s and expanded in the 60s under LBJ, these programs systematically disincentivised marriage in the black community, which in turn led to greater rates of single motherhood. Kids raised without dads are far more likely to flunk out of school, get involved in crime, and bear fatherless kids themselves. Over the last 50 years, this has shattered the black community and is why, despite five decades of racial reconciliation, the black American is worse off today than he was at the end of Jim Crow.
It takes a sober mind to look past the short-term benefit of welfare aid and see the long-term disadvantages associated with dependency. Therefore, I’d wager that conservative blacks are some of the very smartest of their race.
At first glance, this sounds like an excellent argument, however according to blogger JayMan, shared environment has virtually zero effect on most life outcomes. Hard to believe, I know. So if the behavioral geneticists are right, kids raised in fatherless welfare homes should have roughly the same behavioral outcomes as kids raised in stable two-parent homes. Of course these behavioral-genetic models may only apply within races and birth cohorts, not between them, making them a risky rebuttal to Tenn’s argument.
But Tenn’s argument is based on the assumption that LBJ’s Great Society programs of the 1960s crippled the black community, and I would argue that they have not. While it’s true that blacks are more likely to be in poverty and jail than whites are, when you control for IQ, the black-white wage gap virtually vanishes, and the occupation gap actually reverses (see chapter 14 of The Bell Curve). For example, a black with a high IQ has a much better chance of entering a high status occupation than a white with a high IQ. President Obama being the most obvious example.
So although blacks are still enormously disadvantaged in American society, I would argue that they are much less disadvantaged then they would have been, had it not been for LBJ’s efforts.
If you think LBJ’s Great Society did anything but harm to the black community, and the poor in general, then you haven’t read enough Charles Murray (ironic, if you think about it). Check out Losing Ground, his breakthrough work on American social policy 1950-1980.
Your definition of conservatism, while thought-provoking, doesn’t correspond closely to reality. The problem seems to be that you start with a semi-Marxist presupposition, namely that the relationship between any two groups is primarily defined by their respective power levels. This is not an assumption conservatives start from.
I don’t pretend to be the arbiter of conservatism. I’m sure plenty of conservatives would disagree with my explanation. But the gist that I get from the vast majority of conservative intellectuals is that conservatism is, in the sphere of economics, broadly about increasing equality of opportunity, while liberalism is focused on equality of outcome. That’s why conservatives advocate for school-choice policies while liberals advocate for wealth redistribution and affirmative action.
An interesting note is that school choice, which benefits poor kids by allowing them better access to superior education, is anathema in liberal circles because it ticks off teacher unions. Mightn’t this be a case of liberals siding with the powerful (teachers unions) over the weak (the poor)?
There’s so much more to say — particularly I want to discuss your allusion to affirmative action — and when I have the opportunity I’ll respond more, but as of right now I have crushing amount of schoolwork to attend to.
Interesting post, as always. Good day!
“An interesting note is that school choice, which benefits poor kids by allowing them better access to superior education, is anathema in liberal circles because it ticks off teacher unions. Mightn’t this be a case of liberals siding with the powerful (teachers unions) over the weak (the poor)?”
Yes. It’s not absolute. The idea is that it’s going to be more true than it is not.
“Your definition of conservatism, while thought-provoking, doesn’t correspond closely to reality. The problem seems to be that you start with a semi-Marxist presupposition, namely that the relationship between any two groups is primarily defined by their respective power levels. This is not an assumption conservatives start from.”
Are you insinuating the gaps don’t exist?
Studies have consistently confirmed that Liberals outperform Conservatives of their own race, likely by upwards of 1SD.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives
http://samuel-warde.com/2014/03/scientific-proof-liberals-smarter/ ;
There are NO conservative satirists other than South Park Writers (Who are moderate to centre-right, actually).
PP has blogged at length about Liberal over-representation in academia.
Based on all the research that has been done, as well as all we know about human evolution, this is simply the answer.
As Judge Judy says “If it doesn’t make sense, i isn’t true”.
If you think LBJ’s Great Society did anything but harm to the black community, and the poor in general, then you haven’t read enough Charles Murray (ironic, if you think about it). Check out Losing Ground, his breakthrough work on American social policy 1950-1980.
No I haven’t read Losing Ground but I’ve heard of it. In fact Murray is on my upcoming list of the World’s 100 most influential living humans precisely because of the impact of his book on welfare reform in the 1990s. The real irony is that Murray championed the importance of two parent families, yet has become the poster boy for behavioral genetics: A field that claims family environment doesn’t matter!
I suspect Murray’s commented on this blog btw, but I have no way of proving it.
I don’t pretend to be the arbiter of conservatism. I’m sure plenty of conservatives would disagree with my explanation. But the gist that I get from the vast majority of conservative intellectuals is that conservatism is, in the sphere of economics, broadly about increasing equality of opportunity, while liberalism is focused on equality of outcome.
Well if HBD is true, then equality of opportunity means high IQ races are always going to come out on top. So wouldn’t it be in both the self-interest and in the ethnic genetic interest of people from lower IQ groups to support equality of outcome?
An interesting note is that school choice, which benefits poor kids by allowing them better access to superior education, is anathema in liberal circles because it ticks off teacher unions. Mightn’t this be a case of liberals siding with the powerful (teachers unions) over the weak (the poor)?
I’d say that’s a rare example of where Republicans MIGHT be more liberal than Democrats, and that’s why we see some prominent black liberals like John Legend siding with Republicans on that issue. But it’s the exception that proves the rule and it’s not as though teachers in the United States have any real power. They just have more power than inner-city kids & Republicans use that to paint them as bullies in order to undermine unions which generally speaking do enormous good for the powerless. It reminds me a bit of when Republicans use the oppression of women as an excuse to invade Muslim countries. You can always justify bullying the weak by finding someone even weaker that’s being bullied by them.
when I have the opportunity I’ll respond more, but as of right now I have crushing amount of schoolwork to attend to.
Focus on your schoolwork. This thread isn’t going anywhere. I’ve had people respond to comments over a year after they’ve been written so take your time.
Interesting post, as always. Good day!
Thanks!
The evolutionary/thinking outside the box/ Great Society debate may never have concrete answers. But we do have the evidence that it appear that Black Conservatives are far underrepresented among Black geniuses, below the 5% of Blacks and Black geniuses they should be. Can Mia Love hold a candle to Joy-Ann Reid? Or Ben Carson to Obama? Many times Black Republican verbal elites are STILL just fed lines by Fox News… I.e. “Progressive plantations”. Other than Thomas Sowell have any been great intellects? And he does not have the verbal prowess of MLK or Maya Angelou.
One could make a case that Ben Carson is much smarter than Obama. I personally think Obama is much smarter, but if I were a conservative I would note that Carson actually solved a super complex intellectual problem (separating twins joined at the head?) while Obama was merely an outstanding student and politician.
To the best of my knowledge, Obama has never released his grades. So to say he was an outstanding student is stretching it. Outstanding politician. Hahaha. PP plz. You haven’t had to live under 8 years of the worst President in the history of this country.
“You haven’t had to live under 8 years of the worst President in the history of this country.”
I never understood why you guys (the ‘Cultural right’) hate him so much.
He’s the most anti-Israel President basically since it’s founding, he’s no worse on immigration than any GOPer, he’s also been called the most “Europeanesque” President. Although I suppose you may hate him for Police-Black relation issues.
Yes, Ben Carson is a smart guy, non-verbally, which the “brilliant” Conservatives tend to be. That’s what counts in political views, mostly. How can ideology be a predictor of Spatial intelligence, other than one being ‘primitive’ all around?
Liberals seem to be far verbally smarter, while Spatially about the same as mainstream Conservatives.
Yes, this is one thing great thing about Obama who did not cave into the demands of pushy Jews. However, that does not make him an ally to the right wing, because Jews are their enemies, yet they have other enemies favored by Obama like blacks and Muslims.
The only thing Obama and the alt-right seem to agree on is that America should stop fighting costly wars in the middle east that they feel are for Israel. Obama is generally pro-Jewish, but strongly opposed the Iraq war and hates Jewish neocons and AIPAC.
JS, you are really causing ethnic genetic interests to heat up on LOTB’s blog with your claim that Jews did not invent vaccines (or something to that effect), though they did apply the vaccine concept to polio.
I always know ethnic genetic interests are heating up when LOTB himself appears frequently in the comment section.
Sadly, rational debate breaks down (on all sides) when ethnic genetic interests are on the line.
Sadly, the two of you also clashed on the whiteness of Jews
Jews are mixed. They aren’t white, Europeansbarw white but both Jews and Europeans are still Caucasian.
Its a stretch to say obama was the worst. The worst thing he really did was further militarize the police force. Ben carson may be smart but, socially/verbally he is dumb
Probably PP’s most absurd post yet.
There’s a very very obvious reason why “conservatives” have a lower mean (in les Etats at least). Yet she still managed to miss that.
There are so many possible reasons, so I’d be curious which one you think is so obvious. Religion?
One of the reasons i mentioned in this post?
https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/why-are-high-iq-people-more-liberal/
Something like 2 and for 4.
Some degree of conservatism lends itself to the masses quite “easily”.
Which I say as a “freakishly right-wing” guy.
In Braxil center right score higher in IQ tests. In Sweden and seems in Germany similar situations has been found.
Recently a study show virtually no difference im IQ tests between democrats and Republicans, maybe they don’t separate for race.
What really differentiate cons than libs is the cognitive style. What avg conservative tend to be good liberals tend to be bad and otherwise.
Libs are more mentalistic. Cons are more mechanicist based on imprinted brain and autism= extreme masculine brain theories. (even autistics tend not to be more masculine in social behavior, bit specially in cognitive style)
Conservatism is a masculine ideology and man tend to be more mutant than woman. Is more difficult to pass for any hard sciences university than for humanities. Seems intelligence tend to correlate with liberalism because there are more women among above average and so-called average high range of quantitative intelligence. Man become predominant in the very high ends but proportionally speaking this advantage seems will not have influence.
Israel has no power of Palestinians, it is the other way round. Palestinians fight a kind of total war against Israel, and Israel does not really dare to fight back, which is very sad. The government – representing that people – have no power over prisoners, it is the other way round. Prisoners are today on average much more powerful than non-prisoners. They have taken something from others – life, health or property – with force, which makes them powerful. In western countries criminals pay a lot less for their crime than they get. Blacks have far more power than Non-Blacks. Each year blacks kill, rape, beat up FAR more non-blacks than the other way round. That is power in its purest form. Black men marry non-black women at high rates. Money is a weak substitute for this real power. Also the establishment is heavily against “traditional values” and most people would understand them.
Being left wing today means: look who is the most violent, strongest person in the room (blacks, muslims, etc.) and than go and worship him.
Stupid liar.
Must be shameful about your sociopathic attitude with this retarded malignant manipulation.
Palestinians are guinea pigs of both, so called “Moslem friends” and this beasts.
Typical
You can deceive some retarded here.. Not me.
Some strong people show its power via muscles and violence, explicit, visibly ways.
But there are other ways u know
What make your tribe different is that you guys use implicit ways to express your spiritual diseases. To understand subtlety you need to have a sublte mindset.
Always so called precious ones play the eternal victim. Just the white slaves that can be more disgusting than you.
“Must be shameful about your sociopathic attitude with this retarded malignant manipulation.
Palestinians are guinea pigs of both, so called “Moslem friends” and this beasts.”
Seems about right.
I love how they seem to think they can just screw with groups of people (like the Jews and neocons have done recently, and other Whites did earlier in history), and then when they are angry and “aggressive” it’s that they are evil and inferior. This is precisely the reason these people hate the West.
P.S. Muslim has no racial connotation. Europeans have SW Asian blood, and there is no imaginary line separating Whites in Greece from non-Whites….
As I’ve said before;

“Italian immigrants landing in America”
It’s this type of nonsense that makes me hate most HBDers.
What the hell are you talking about?
Hi Shlomo.
“Black men marry non-black women at high rates”
Citation needed.
WTF is with all this Current Israel love?
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/08/21/conservatism-race-and-iq-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-31921
Even lots of Jews are embarrassed by this nonsense;

She has a higher IQ than Netanyahu 😉
‘he had a rock he was about to throw’
‘a 9-year old Palestinian boy’
‘we were trying to help the Iraqis’……………….
Ben Shapiro, is that you?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
One of the most interesting things about the Israeli-Palestinian question is that the fringes tend to agree in terms of being pro-Palestinian, the far right because it hates Jews and the far left because it always has to sympathize with the oppressed. Meanwhile the center tends to be more pro-Israeli because they look whiter and more ‘civilized’, so they’re easier to empathize with. MSM also plays a role of course.
I don’t know. I think if you actually look objectively at the phenotype of a Palestinian, and their genome, they’re Caucasian/SW Asian, and very closely related to Europeans…..although skin color alone and “civilization” may play a role.
The thinking otherwise is just a low spatial intellect fantasy.
I don’t know. I think if you actually look objectively at the phenotype of a Palestinian, and their genome, they’re Caucasian/SW Asian, and very closely related to Europeans…..although skin color alone and “civilization” may play a role.
But genetic interests are relative and HIERARCHICAL. Compared to blacks, whites are closely related to dark caucasoids, but compared to other whites, not as much. Compared to random whites, two white cousins are closely related, but compared to two white siblings, not as much. Compared to a cousin, two sibling are closely related, but compared to two identical twins, not as much.
People will kill members of their own family, yet at the same time, defend their family to the death from an attack by strangers. Who one feels kinship with is a function of who else is in the equation and how much of a threat they are. Reagan once implied that it would take an invasion from aliens to get all human races to unite as one species.
Of course EGIs, or something very similiar exist, PP.
But they’re not quite the same, if it’s *solely cultural* why the hell is it an HBD topic?
According to this White national-socialists should be the smartest Whites. They got the right answer from the moral perspective (helping the poor, protect animals) and from the self-interests & EGI perspective (favor their own race and thus, themselves)
They can be have the right answers but they don’t have demonstrated the fluid capacity to adapt to novel situations. In this case the means justify the ends. Gifted opportunism/ usual imoral and subhuman…
Crystalized creativity = the means and the ends are the same
Fluid creativity and generally directed to the naturalistic perspective = the means justify the ends.
Which, they are not. Pumpkin’s post is nice in theory but all the existing info debunks.
Commenters are using “HBD” to justify what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Unbelievable. Maybe the Israelis have higher IQs than the Palestinians, but they also have higher IQs than Gentile-Europeans.
Would you be okay with Israel doing what it’s doing to them to you?
“Muslims are aggressive”
Muslims are a race?
I think you should see my genetic links above.
HBD makes us *aware* of behavioral influences and teaches us to work around them, not justify abuse. PP has this mindset which I like.
I agree with you. Any so-called nationalist should want the Pallies to have a State. This is why Sean Last’s comment was retarded. He’s not a real nationalist.
I say this all the time on other boards. Hurrr da mooslimzzz. People really mean Arabs when they say that. But oh das raysis!!!
Nope. Arabs are Caucasian.
JS has said Arabs are Mediterranean.
Don’t get me wrong- Arabs are Caucasian, but many are genetically different from White Europeans; most, actually.
But when you get anywhere in SW Asia west of the Fertile Crescent (includes Syrians, Palestinians, etc)., they’re pretty much just like Caucasians.
Just like Europeans, at the end, I mean.
Steve Sailer did a funny article on “White Hispanics” which included him putting pictures of prominent White Hispanics next to their non-Hispanic look alikes (also prominent people).
I.E. Ted Cruz=Joe McCarthey
Rep. Diaz-Balart= Sailer himself
Rafael Cruz= English Reverend Paisley.
I think we need this for Palestinians and Syrians.
That’d be funny.
Hispanics aren’t a race but that doesn’t stop moron white nationalist proles from thinking they are. Hurrr Ted Cruz is a spic. Wait, his family is from Spain!!?! No!!! He’s a spic!!
They’re morons.
“non-Whites”
🙂
Kind of looks like young Al Pacino?;

The fact that these mofo’s don’t appreciate what’s in front of their face, or rather, that they can’t comprehend it, is a sign of;
1. Lower Spatial intelligence (can’t recognize similarities in facial features)
2. Cognitive dissonance (not linked to high IQ, either).
It’s not that all are that stupid, per se (although many are), it’s that they don’t like Iberians, either.
I remember one commenter on AmRen, insisting, despite all the evidence, that “Spain and Portugal have an average IQ of 92”
The Irish, ACTUALLY DO, but God forbid you criticize a the great Nordic race.
We’re just N*ggers. “Muditerreneans”
Most are idiots. Spaniards yes they’re non-white. Da Nordic stock got diluted by sand niggers!!
They’re idiocy never ceases to amaze me.
Don’t even get me started on when they say southern Europeans have substantial amounts of negro blood.
Hint, they don’t.
Mediterranean master race, goy.
Nikki Haley being attacked by Mann Coulter was a red flag;

These idiots don’t get that those from the Levant are Caucasian. They don’t even genetics. Which is why I can’t take them seriously.
Then biggest perpetrator is Anglin. He’s such an idiot. He fails so hard at trying to write a scientific article. He has no idea how to research.
Compare this article.
http://www.dailystormer.com/white-bear-supremacists-mourn-polar-genocide-due-to-miscegenation-with-grizzlies/
With my response.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/27/polar-bears-inuits-evolution-and-fst/
He’s an idiot and doesn’t even genetics.
Lol. The first thing I did think about when I read Ganglin’s article was a difference in climate, occuring. That’s the textbook ‘adaptation/mutation’ from High School Biology, was how the Polar Bear evolved with White/clear fur to blend into the snow around him, versus the brown/Grizzly.
Now, the question that I have, since I am not an expert on these things, is, which is more effective;
1. Raw Natural selection (x group dies because they don’t have a trait, but no significant drop in mating rates occurs prior to such).
2. Or only members of x group are able to mate (whether VIA physical strength or attractiveness to others).
and speaking of “The Levant”, it’s not to say that the term “Rapeugees” is a fantasy……
BUT
1. It’s only partially Syrians, and easily explained by culture, not genetics. The problem should solve itself.
2. Apparently it’s the Sudanese doing it a lot, not Syrians.
What people still don’t understand is
no matter how mixed or not you/your people are
matter their qualitative traits, specially the moral reasoning
again,
all the time is about morality.
I consult Jonathan Haidt on these matters.
“The illusions of moral judgment. If moral reasoning is generally a post hoc construction intended to justify automatic moral intuitions, then our moral life is plagued by two illusions. The first illusion can be called the wag-the-dog illusion: We believe that our own moral judgment (the dog) is driven by our own moral reasoning (the tail). The second illusion can be called the wag-the other-dog’s-tail illusion: In a moral argument, we expect the successful rebuttal of an opponent’s arguments to change the opponent’s mind. Such a belief is like thinking that forcing a dog’s tail to wag by moving it with your hand will make the dog happy.”
Click to access Haidt%202001.pdf
“If you think that moral reasoning is something we do to figure out truth, you’ll be constantly frustrated by how foolish, biased, and illogical people become when they disagree with you. But if you think about moral reasoning as a skill we humans evolved to further our social agendas – to justify our own actions and to defend the teams we belong to – then things will make a lot more sense. Keep your eye on the intuitions, and don’t take people’s moral arguments at face value. They’re mostly post hoc constructions made up on the fly crafted to advance one or more strategic objectives (Haidt, 2012, pg XX to XXI).”
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/07/11/the-evolution-of-morality/
I’ve never read a truer statement.
Sexual selection is the preferred choice by me. Sexual selection leads to something like homo sapiens , neotenized, tall high verbal intelligence while natural selection will lead to something similar to neandertthals shorter, prognathic and high visual ability. Also nobody has to die wich is a plus .
seems you have separated and organized quotes of your favorite writers to ”argue” …
i will repeat
i don’t care what this joo think
if you want to debate again about morality start for yourself
”If you think that moral reasoning is something we do to figure out truth, you’ll be constantly frustrated by how foolish, biased, and illogical people become when they disagree with you”
again
it’s so simple to hit
is not because ”we” have a enormous wave of stupid people with their defective moral reasoning (about very basic things, very basic) that morality itself will be falsifiable.
just psychopaths or dumbs who ”relativize” morality.
your choice.
”But if you think about moral reasoning as a skill we humans evolved to further our social agendas – to justify our own actions and to defend the teams we belong to – then things will make a lot more sense. Keep your eye on the intuitions, and don’t take people’s moral arguments at face value.”
morality is also about ourselves (we want to live and preferably in the safe spaces, 😉 )
morality is also about the people we belonging, because they reflect what we are, partially or predominantly…
i defend homossexuality because i’m homossexual, i have homossexual friends and more affinity with them … nothing Imoral about it, at priore, nothin Amoral about it, at priore.
there is pretty good homossexual people and also avg…
different than many people, i’m not defend bad homossexual people.
maybe we can be confusing KINDNESS with MORALITY
repeat, just psychotards or dumb people who ”relativize” morality, no negotiation, no chance.
Again
subjective morality
”koreans like to KILL dogs to eat their meat…. ”westerners” like to KILL pigs to eat ther meat”
subjective morality, the false morality, the incomplete moral reasoning seems to be perfectly consistent with his quote.
objective morality is not what cultures/half wisdom say
is what is, in whatever space and time, right or wrong
is pretty rational
dogs and pigs share many genetic and behavioral similarities with us
they are sentient, they no have bigger brains, comparatively little but existent pre cortex brain areas, they no have complex language/vocabulary/numeration, but they are very sentient,
they has been very domesticated/docilized
they ”loose” their defenses and become very vulnerable
to eat the meat of this non-human animals IS imoral at the best…
maturity, many times, will mean sacrifice part of your comfort zone and evolve.
and this is applicable for all other stuff
70 billion non-human animals are killed every year for ”human consume”
maybe morality is JUST
morality is a vague and abstract word, subject to manipulation
but wise kindness is ALL
objective morality or we can also say ”objective kindness”
I put quotes to begin to show where I stand and where I got the thinking from, then I discuss. They’re not organized, I just know what to search for when I need it. I read a lot. When I say a lot I mean A LOT so I know where to grab things in a pinch.
“is not because ”we” have a enormous wave of stupid people with their defective moral reasoning (about very basic things, very basic) that morality itself will be falsifiable.”
No, it’s that those stupid people can’t internalize exactly WHY they hold these moral thought processes, because most of them are post hoc constructions. These processes for moral reasoning have been seen in fMRI scans to be in the prefrontal cortex (PFC). Clearly, moral reasoning evolved along side the brain. Without that, we’d still be where chimps and gorillas are.
“just psychopaths or dumbs who ”relativize” morality.”
Not so. It’s a legit area of research. I’m reading “Moral Tribes” by Joshua Greene, philosopher (lol), neuroscientist, and psychologist, who argues that morality is relative and that utilitarianism is best.There is legit research into this. Not only psychopaths believe it. Are cultural (biological) norms ‘bad’ or ‘good’ depending on from where you observe them?
“morality is also about ourselves (we want to live and preferably in the safe spaces,😉)
morality is also about the people we belonging, because they reflect what we are, partially or predominantly…”
Agree
“i defend homossexuality because i’m homossexual, i have homossexual friends and more affinity with them … nothing Imoral about it, at priore, nothin Amoral about it, at priore.
there is pretty good homossexual people and also avg…”
Of course there are. But the vast majority in America are so degenerate it’s not even funny. Highest disease rates (even with blacks, so is it blacks that have gays have the high disease rate or gays on their own with the high disease rate? Blacks are more likely to be gay so maybe there’s the answer and other degenerate actions.
“”koreans like to KILL dogs to eat their meat…. ”westerners” like to KILL pigs to eat ther meat””
This is the perfect example. Let’s then stretch that to say Koreans have pigs as pets and they look at us raising pigs and killing them as barbaric because they’re their pets.
Who’s ‘right’?
“to eat the meat of this non-human animals IS imoral at the best…”
How do you know if someone is a vegan/vegetarian? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Meat is too good to stop eating and it tastes good for a reason. Don’t think I forgot about that other discussion we had from last month, I remember it and I’ll reply within a few days.
We need meat to feed the people we have today as well as to get ample micros and macros. I’ll never stop eating meat. Have you never had a steak? A t-bone?
“objective morality or we can also say ”objective kindness””
This is true. It’s never ‘kindness’. There’s always an ulterior motive whether you realize it or not. See George R. Price and his application of Game Theory to evolutionary biology.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/altruistic-equations-that-killed-a-good-man-1358399.html
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/george-price-altruism
This sums up his story well.
It’s the selfish gene theory, ala Richard Dawkins. PP if you’ve never looked into this and or George R. Price, you should do so. You should look into the Price Equation.
Click to access price_eqn.pdf
‘Moral acts’ are to help your genes pass on, nothing more. ‘Moral reasoning’ is the betterment of your genetically similar others, nothing more.
William and Melo, first it’s the better genes surviving and multiplying, then sexual selection comes after.
”I put quotes to begin to show where I stand and where I got the thinking from, then I discuss. They’re not organized, I just know what to search for when I need it. I read a lot. When I say a lot I mean A LOT so I know where to grab things in a pinch.”
seems you can’t develop your own arguments, so you use quotes of your masters.
ordinary people with more logical reasoning-inclinations tend to lack in emotional skills (also a very logic)..
”No, it’s that those stupid people can’t internalize exactly WHY they hold these moral thought processes, because most of them are post hoc constructions. These processes for moral reasoning have been seen in fMRI scans to be in the prefrontal cortex (PFC). Clearly, moral reasoning evolved along side the brain. Without that, we’d still be where chimps and gorillas are.”
you just repeat it like a broken disk, c’mon.
AGAIN
the fact that moral reasoning evolved along side the brain NO PROVE your point, cazzo.
it prove my point.
humans are more evolved because they have developed pre frontal cortex, the main area responsible for moral reasoning, period.
SO
the most evolved among humans have pretty developed pre frontal cortex…
what make WE don’t lies all the time here about the subjects we are commenting/debating IS morality, care about others, care about what is right or wrong…
it’s not JUST, ”morality is just”, it’s FUNDAMENTAL…
what make YOU hate joos is exactly because ‘they” lies unfathomably…
deny
– emotional intelligence
– morality
is exactly the same to deny race existence or racial cognitive disparities…
truisms, if you can’t accept their existences, man, fuck you, anyone care, the truth don’t care if the majesty here believe or not,
you’re clearly using ”science” for yourself, imoral way
you become histerical about ”south italian issues”.
everything you believe about morality is about your morality and your morality is not objectively correct, is subjectively correct, what is right for you, not what is right for all.
”Not so. It’s a legit area of research. I’m reading “Moral Tribes” by Joshua Greene, philosopher (lol)”
ALMOST of the self-called philosophers, ARE NOT philosophers, they don’t care about its own attitudes, don’t care about harmony, don’t care about wisdom…
they are academic people with ”philosopher” label, just it
in the same way is pretty common that most people are not absolutely what its professions tend to predict…
for example, a teacher
supposedly a teacher is someone who teach other people, maybe, vaguely speaking, a teacher is FUNDAMENTALLY someone who teach…
teach factual or factoidal things…
”, neuroscientist, and psychologist, who argues that morality is relative and that utilitarianism is best.There is legit research into this. Not only psychopaths believe it. Are cultural (biological) norms ‘bad’ or ‘good’ depending on from where you observe them?”
you don’t read my previous comments***
the frank conclusion about you is
you are not a kind person, period.
because
you no have pretty developed moral reasoning
and you’re playing the dumb joey here because you’re not aware about its weaknesses … and usually, you don’t care, for you, to be kind or not is not important and is highly subjective…
in other words, you’re just a ordinary person who internalize quickly pseudo-philosophy make by pseudo-philosophers that make you feel better…
”i’m emotionally idiot but it’s not my fault… morality is relative”
maybe old anthropologists are right about mediterranean temperament and character.
“seems you can’t develop your own arguments, so you use quotes of your masters.
ordinary people with more logical reasoning-inclinations tend to lack in emotional skills (also a very logic).”
Putting quotes from people doesn’t mean I can’t develop my own arguments.
I was also working at that time as well.
“the fact that moral reasoning evolved along side the brain NO PROVE your point, cazzo.
it prove my point”
It does prove my point. Since without the bigger brain the ‘moral reasoning’ we see today wouldn’t be possible.
I know you wouldn’t say that our ancestors could reason as well as us. Thus, a bigger brain is the cause for us to be able to reason how we do so we can say that a bigger brain is the cause for ‘moral reasoning’. It’s to pass on genes. We can sit there and think about reasons ‘why’ we morally reason, but it’s not to figure out truth.
“the most evolved among humans have pretty developed pre frontal cortex…”
Different brains excel in different types of environments. If it’s here today, it’s been selected for for a reason as it increases fitness, etc.
“what make WE don’t lies all the time here about the subjects we are commenting/debating IS morality, care about others, care about what is right or wrong…”
Do you not see that what’s “right and wrong” in one society dictates one’s fitness in their society? Yes, caring about others: genetically similar others. It’s all about passing on genes.
“deny
– emotional intelligence
– morality”
Emotional intelligence is just a good mix of the Big Five Personality Traits and a high IQ, nothing more. Morality exists to increase fitness and ensure you replicate your genes. Most moral reasoning is just a post hoc construction made up on the fly to further one’s own agenda. Nothing more. There’s no way to quantify who’s morally ‘better’. It’s subjective.
I say this as a right-winger. Because I’m driven by the data.
“is exactly the same to deny race existence or racial cognitive disparities…”
Crazy talk.
“you’re clearly using ”science” for yourself, imoral way
you become histerical about ”south italian issues”.”
Science is a search for truth. I’m interested in HBD as a search for truth. I want this truth to come to the general public. I don’t become ‘hysterical’ about it. Presenting data is not going hysterical.
“everything you believe about morality is about your morality and your morality is not objectively correct, is subjectively correct, what is right for you, not what is right for all.”
That’s the thing! Morality is just what everyone believes. Then, everyone bands up with those whose moral values line up with their own. Differences in morality are evolutionary in nature.
Morality is subjective.
Look at the Middle East. Look at the US and Africa. Who’s ‘right’? Each way of life increases fitness for that organism. It’s the same for insects, to birds, cows, fish, dogs, cats, etc and it’s the same for humans.
Evolution and selfish genes are the names of the game.
“ALMOST of the self-called philosophers, ARE NOT philosophers, they don’t care about its own attitudes, don’t care about harmony, don’t care about wisdom…
they are academic people with ”philosopher” label, just it
in the same way is pretty common that most people are not absolutely what its professions tend to predict…”
How do you know this guy is what you claim most self-proclaimed philosophers to be?
“the frank conclusion about you is
you are not a kind person, period.
because
you no have pretty developed moral reasoning”
You don’t even know me. I am a kind person. Just because I look at morality and moral reasoning from an evolutionary and biological perspective doesn’t mean that I’m not ‘kind’.
“and you’re playing the dumb joey here because you’re not aware about its weaknesses … and usually, you don’t care, for you, to be kind or not is not important and is highly subjective…”
As I said, when those with similar outlooks on morality get together, towns and communities form. Put these differing communities (races/ethnicities) together, what happens?
“in other words, you’re just a ordinary person who internalize quickly pseudo-philosophy make by pseudo-philosophers that make you feel better…”
I mostly follow the science. I have my own views on morality which are based on science, not ‘truth’ as the philosopher would like you to believe.
”Of course there are. But the vast majority in America are so degenerate it’s not even funny. Highest disease rates (even with blacks, so is it blacks that have gays have the high disease rate or gays on their own with the high disease rate? Blacks are more likely to be gay so maybe there’s the answer and other degenerate actions.”
CONTRADICTORY people make i lose my day
incredible how cynical you can be
you said everything about moral is relative
less ”homossexual degeneracy”
morality is most part of the time, for you, JUST IT
less when you’re processing challenging issues/what you really dislike or have little tolerance…
and look
i agree that there are greater problems today among homossexuals (possibly solvable)
i agree…
you agree that there are greater problems about YOUR precious ”people”**
blacks maybe are more likely to be bissexual not exactly gay.
”This is the perfect example. Let’s then stretch that to say Koreans have pigs as pets and they look at us raising pigs and killing them as barbaric because they’re their pets.
Who’s ‘right’?”
you don’t this stupid question you do**
accept that you no have greater moral reasoning…
moral reasoning is more deep, more existential than your little head seems able to understand/internalize Cypher…
is about true realism
the realism is
we are self aware
we are aware about its own finitude
in fact, we don’t have the miserable idea about everything, ”we” have at best sketches
material things that humans create are distractions
sports are distractions
everything we do are distractions
and distractions are illusions
money, social hierarchy or status quo, etc etc
less the emotion
emotion is the most deep feeling/deep real we have
and it’s the only one who really matter…
if you can’t separate
illusions/distractions
from
realities
so sorry, you’re subhuman probably unable ”to philosophize”.
”How do you know if someone is a vegan/vegetarian? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.”
Where it’s important to this debate*
”Meat is too good to stop eating and it tastes good for a reason. Don’t think I forgot about that other discussion we had from last month, I remember it and I’ll reply within a few days.”
you’re a ORDINARY/AVERAGE JOEY, i thought you have knowledge about it.
exactly like a Cypher type
you don’t care if some being is suffering, you only care about yourself.
”We need meat to feed the people we have today as well as to get ample micros and macros. I’ll never stop eating meat. Have you never had a steak? A t-bone?”
as happen with others here, you’re ”the CARCAMANO MAGIC”, analogous to the ”black magic”.
a clever silly
”only left-leaning people can be a clever silly”***
for Charlton, probably yes
not for me
everyone who play smarter in some subject and really is not, is a clever silly.
you’re a moral clever silly.
”This is true. It’s never ‘kindness’. There’s always an ulterior motive whether you realize it or not. See George R. Price and his application of Game Theory to evolutionary biology.”
Where i said ”it’s never kindness”
all the time you ” ”
morality, kindness words
in the same way libs & joos love to ” ” race, white…..
Sorry i no have more time and patience to read what a robotic retarded ”nerd” has to say about what they no have/don’t know.
”‘Moral acts’ are to help your genes pass on, nothing more. ‘Moral reasoning’ is the betterment of your genetically similar others, nothing more.”
anham
someone risk its own life to save other people ”or even” being…
= is to pass your genes
retarded carcamano…
ooo nooo
i want to leave you and your lack of self-awareness
i have other things to do now
summarizing
EVERYTHING i’m commenting here is to the best for all
for all who deserve the best
beings and human beings
that’s all
EVERYTHING you’re commeting here is to the best for YOU
i’m wrong**
good night
maybe you’re a ””good””’ person for other ordinary people, not good enough
you must be a ””’KIND””” person, 😉
=(
”Putting quotes from people doesn’t mean I can’t develop my own arguments.
I was also working at that time as well.”
isn’t showing.
”It does prove my point. Since without the bigger brain the ‘moral reasoning’ we see today wouldn’t be possible.
I know you wouldn’t say that our ancestors could reason as well as us. Thus, a bigger brain is the cause for us to be able to reason how we do so we can say that a bigger brain is the cause for ‘moral reasoning’. It’s to pass on genes. We can sit there and think about reasons ‘why’ we morally reason, but it’s not to figure out truth.”
walking in circles, so pathetic.
nope SON,
moral reasoning IS NOT to pass the genes
what pass the genes is the sexual desire and preferably for opposite sex.
why when someone act at barbaric way most people call him a ”beast”**
because self-awareness implies more RESPONSABILITY/MORAL REASONING without ”quotes”.
you’re a cold person,
embarrassing for you…
”Different brains excel in different types of environments. If it’s here today, it’s been selected for for a reason as it increases fitness, etc.”
but in some populations because their improved moral reasoning people has survived more than in other places.
so moral reasoning is not a marginal evolutionary tool, is the most important.
yes, in part it help at lot to survive/to conserve the life, but it’s not only for ”utilitary” ends.
you don’t realize how deeply spectacular and misterious is the life** (you will answer: yes, i know, 😉 )
people who have the rare ability to throw away most of human distractions arguably become amazed about the life, the existence, everything, and start to give higher value for what really matter in the END: life and emotions.
”Emotional intelligence is just a good mix of the Big Five Personality Traits and a high IQ, nothing more. Morality exists to increase fitness and ensure you replicate your genes. Most moral reasoning is just a post hoc construction made up on the fly to further one’s own agenda. Nothing more. There’s no way to quantify who’s morally ‘better’. It’s subjective.”
”I say this as a right-winger. Because I’m driven by the data.”
As a asshole who always legitimate bad governments.
histerical subhuman: leftist
cold sunhuman: rightist
Nope, you’re driven by your ego and by your necessity to passed-as-amateur-scientist among hbd-crowd.
People who are driven by data, generally don’t create your own data, period. Just a follower, dependent thinker & irrationally convenient internalizer.
”Emotional intelligence is just a good mix of the Big Five Personality Traits and a high IQ, nothing more”
repartees…
squalid thinker you’re
just it**
nothing more**
develop more your thoughts if you can.
emotional intelligence is one of the most important and probably difficult part to be studied of ”our” psycho-cognitive system.
emotional intelligence have many perspectives:
resilience,
theorical skills,
practical skills,
astuteness or wisdom
self-knowledge
etc
emotions/mood state, intrinsic motivations that are dragged by emotions, all about emotions influence ”our” cognitive performance.
people with same ”quantitative” cognitive levels, depending of their personality/temperament types, tend to develop complete different life paths.
women do better in school, on avg, than men because personality differences (emotions).
”nothing more”’ just in your refrigerator mind.
”joos” has dominated the ”west” exactly because ”they’ tend to have greater emotional intelligence and in this specific case astuteness.
”Crazy talk.”
NO ARGUMENTS…
”Science is a search for truth.”
at priore, 😉 😉 😉
truth**
it’s not relative too*
the truth of aboriginals is not superior than the truth of western science**
”I’m interested in HBD as a search for truth. I want this truth to come to the general public. I don’t become ‘hysterical’ about it. Presenting data is not going hysterical.”
yessss
most of what Lynn said in its book is right
less about southern italians…
Cynicism does not usually work with me because I have an excellent detector of contradictions … I might be arguing with someone who is opposed to the vast majority of assumptions make by hbd, sniffing its contradictions … and you would probably be agreeing with me …
( … ”i agree 1000% with you santo” … )
I wonder why***
just because I have developed a complete moral system, reducing as much as possible my contradictions.
A psychopathic bitch, a anglo-prole pretend to be great thinker like ”dawkins” write a shit
and other psychopathic-style bitch just follow it
usual among the ”big brained” human”kind”
again,
your morality IS wrong because it’s INCOMPLETE (contraditory, egocentrically convenient, irrational)
everything that is incomplete can’t be right,
partially right is a type of wrongness.
sometimes humans have evolved more because some pseudo-crazy ones like me, the genuine truth-tellers, has search a way to complete the puzzles and the objective morality is the complete puzzle of the behavior…
i will not repeat ”because most of human cultures are partially to predominantly barbaric” ….
again, you can’t argue (if you already did here… i have not seen) with it:
”everything i’m doing here is for the best for ALL… everything you’re doing here is for the best for YOU”
”your” statements are not completely wrong but it just work for psychopathic-stylish people.
exactly why southern italy is one of the poorest regions of the Europe, and is not JUST because the mafia…
and remember, the poorest regions of western Europe has been benefit by EU$$ for years…
how (more) poor ( less ”developed”) Portugal, Spain, Mezzogiorno would without this help**
supposedly the ruins of Siraccuse is just a charm to the tourists and locals, but not.
those who live by ruins, generally not built anything on it.
this honest (and self-critic) data or you avoid/despise or you fleer.
At work so I’ll just respond to this for now.
“Nope, you’re driven by your ego and by your necessity to passed-as-amateur-scientist among hbd-crowd.
People who are driven by data, generally don’t create your own data, period. Just a follower, dependent thinker & irrationally convenient internalizer.”
I do a lot of reading. I share my knowledge with people. I’m too busy with my career to create my own data. I’ve thought about getting into research but not genetics related.
Fact of the matter is,, everyone is driven by their ego at some point. Everyone believes they’re right. What changes minds? Confidence. If you’re not confident you don’t change your mind when new data is presented.
So far you’ve not provided any data on how to quantify morality. If I’m presented with good data I’ll check it out and make my own conclusions on it. But until then I believe morality is subjective.
You’re getting pretty bent out of shape on my view on morality, proving Haidt right when he says talk about moral truths and you will not get coherent answers.
Of a discussion is ongoing and I can interject relevant data and information I’ll do so, has other tk do with wanting to pass as an amateur scientist in the hbd crowd. I just love learning and reading new things and obviously commenting on these types of blogs leads me to that.
Santo if you force a dogs tail to wag by moving it with your hand, is the dog happy?
What I’m saying about moral reasoning being post hoc searches for judgements we’ve already made has been empirically verified in Brazil, America and India in both high and low ses people.
Why do morals differ between peoples if there is one “Moral code”?
Because we went on different evolutionary paths. You can empirically verify who’s” right or wrong” with moral reasoning because it’s most post hoc searching for judgements we’ve already made. People cannot give a justifiable, reasonable reason for why they believe it!!
Do you have any links for your view on morality?
”How do you know this guy is what you claim most self-proclaimed philosophers to be?”
Philosopher is not just a profession, its original concept is not even a profession, professionalizing was the technical utilitarization of the philosophy, transforming it into another piece of human destructive machine and not in their original central role.
To be transformed into a profession, philosophy was reduced, limited to an employment condition, just like a gardner or a teacher.
If the philosopher is someone who follow, search for wisdom, so s(he) must act cohesively…
most of ”philosophers” today (and possibly in the past too) are not searching and following the wisdom, in their private life and in its works, philosophy become a entertainment business, status quo and nothing more.
the truth don’t need to be cold…
is not because i can use euphemism to say exactly the same thing than you that my answer will be less correct than your answer, but i even think about how i can to say… a qualitative plus…
truth just will be fully expressed with all kind of feeling/emotions… cold and hot ”colors” or vibrations.
how i know that the ex-president (and the current president) of the brazil (banana republic) is a psychopathic bitch**
”You don’t even know me.”
” I am a kind person. Just because I look at morality and moral reasoning from an evolutionary and biological perspective doesn’t mean that I’m not ‘kind’.”
”kind”
”race”
so emotions are divorced from evolutionary and biological perspective**
nope.
so, to say ”people can be kind just because the pleasure to be kind**” is not a evolutionary perspective*
what happen with some parts of psychology about leftist toxicity, evolutionary psychology is toxic with a predominance of the right-wingers and not by a predominance of evolutionary psychologists.
”ideology” still influence you.
if there is a KINDNESS QUOTIENT you would score lower than me, i no doubt about it.
”As I said, when those with similar outlooks on morality get together, towns and communities form. Put these differing communities (races/ethnicities) together, what happens?”
AGAIN
no matter if MOST of the humans are morally dumb…
no matter if MOST of the humans are mathematically delayed…
”I mostly follow the science. I have my own views on morality which are based on science, not ‘truth’ as the philosopher would like you to believe.”
i no have my own views on morality, this views i’m showing are not my views, it is just what is rationally/morally right and wrong.
i become vegetarian recently.
i have eaten a lot of meat in the past. Stop to meat for me was a sacrifice.
i kill my subjectively cultural contradiction when i hated ”orientals” and still eat ”authorized killedable non-human animals”
what K-leaning people tend to do when they have kids… they sacrifice part of their own zone comfort to give the best to their kids.
i enjoy a lot the taste and texture of the meat…
but i become aware that i’m wasn’t eating a ”meat” but a killed sentient non-human animal and most of them are pretty docilized…
i like ”meat”, i dislike to eat ”killed non-human animals”, absolutely helpless…
if someone invent a vegetal with eat taste i will enjoy to eat it.
and you** what do you like**
that’s the problem
usually, most people have problem to self-actualize, specially about moral issues AND in the minimally correct way.
people because their common torpor tend to become stagnant for most part of their lives because their existential laziness/self indulgence… the life is happening and they are so drowned by their distractions that they abstracting what is wrong and is affecting them directly.
thousand of raped british girls in Rotherham,
thousand of killed civilians in the middle east,
thousand of semi-slaves workers in China or in Southeast Asia,
etc
not so ”kind”
”I do a lot of reading. I share my knowledge with people. I’m too busy with my career to create my own data. I’ve thought about getting into research but not genetics related.
Fact of the matter is,, everyone is driven by their ego at some point.”
at some point,
always
”i’m morally obtuse, BUT morality is subjective, so i no have guilt”
ego is not exactly a bad thing, because most of the complex abstract phenomena tend to have their bad and good sides.
”Everyone believes they’re right.”
but someones are really right about some perspectives.
”What changes minds? Confidence.”
no, for most people, what change the mind is to make them suffer in your skin what they despise (a good test of psychopathy) or offer advantages.
” If you’re not confident you don’t change your mind when new data is presented.”
where is relevant of this debate* i can’t see.
”So far you’ve not provided any data on how to quantify morality. If I’m presented with good data I’ll check it out and make my own conclusions on it. But until then I believe morality is subjective.”
if the world no have ”data” or ”iq” how you and PP will navigate on it***
”good data” just for you
again again again thousand of agains…
you BELIEVE
everything is about YOU, what you think, what you feel
about me is what it really is, specially about morality
you’re like my retarded relatives who like to do the typical and idiotic joke
”why you don’t feel the same about plants**”
same retarded level
no doubt that testosterone can be very problematic
and it does
the man is the nigger/thug of the humankind
”You’re getting pretty bent out of shape on my view on morality, proving Haidt right when he says talk about moral truths and you will not get coherent answers.”
this is not argument sir
what you think about my answers is not the point, only if you answer point by point.
seems most people avoid answer directly…
”Of a discussion is ongoing and I can interject relevant data and information I’ll do so, has other tk do with wanting to pass as an amateur scientist in the hbd crowd. I just love learning and reading new things and obviously commenting on these types of blogs leads me to that.”
guti guti
so cute!!!
he love learning and reading new things just like a child
aaaawnnn
”relevant” data
other jooische ”researcher” is coming**
wise gentiles, if they really exist in some quantifiable %, learn with jooooishsche mistakes, a predominant, not with their supposed victories/teachings…
people don’t trust in RaceRealist,
important advice
No there such thing ”’absolutely purified person in terms of moral AND in terms of knowledge”.
This ”science stuff” is just a EXCUSE for psychopathic bitch
you and your master pseudo-moral-expertises jews are trying to pass such as ”purified thinker”.
”cultural relativism” is just other way to ”joos” legitimate its actions and subsequent power.
cultural diversity is not the same than cultural relativism
and there are good relativism and bad relativism
emotions are like temperatures
enough is enough
too hot or too cold are bad.
even you are superficially right about many things here
you’re analysing in your pet-cold and marginal perspective
you”re ”justifying” or ”rationalizing” human stupidity (and yourself)
in the END
what matter
the scientific truth IS NOT the ultimate truth
that is philosophical/existential
more than TO KNOW
is TO ACT
and with increased self awareness like it or not it is implies in increased responsability of our actions, something for mature people…
In the end of life MOST to ALL humans become a philosopher, sorry for his actions, more empathetically affective, more emotional, more contemplative…
the upper-awareness about its own finitude and misterious existence tend to become prevalent among most of ”phenotypical wise” people start with old age… less with people like me because they are precocious with this philosophical necessity.
Arab is more of a linguistic term than a phenotype. Of course, Arabs from the Levant look nothing like the ones in the Southern Arabian peninsula.
America and the Anglo Prole Sphere are infested with stupid and irrational people. Italian immigrants in America were seen as non-White, one point in time, by the WASP establishment.
One needs to understand that the Anglo Prole Sphere has been a failed experiment, and perhaps a failure coming from the English tradition of divide and conquer, where the elites are also seeing their demise.
Yup,
just search for deep and resolute criticism (needed) to the ”Israel” and the international Jewry in the hbd-o-sphere. You will not find any…
Today, McDonald is posting in Unz Platform…
to be clear
hbd is a sophisticated strategy to [still] protect ”joos” against deep and correct ”criticism”, at LEAST… in other words, to sustain their status quo even all evidences.
hbd narrative:
” ‘joos’ have a ‘evolutionary strategy’ (bad euphemism)”
” inbred make ‘moslems’ violent”
” ‘whites’ ‘are’ too altruistic … and … it explain new left and ‘pathological altruism’ ”
factual narrative:
” ‘joos’ seems have higher proportion of high functioning psychopaths and pathological liars among them [a universal trend among ”cognitively smart” people*]… remember, culture not come from nothing, 😉 ”
”even inbred really have behavioral effects… it don’t explain for example Lebanese Civil War in the 80’s… sociopolitical issues that can explain fully why middle east become a gunpowder barrel… and ”hisraell” will be a central role”
”there are comparatively higher prevalence of certain subgroups of humantypes among european caucasians, namely those with anglo, teuto and nordic strains, that tend to have greater disposition to the altruistic behavior [not necessarily wise altruistic behavior]… but this groups usually are not powerfull enough to take the power without the ‘help’ of others”
hbd = other (((neocon))) movements.
“Today, McDonald is posting in Unz Platform…”
I looked up the Unz surname- it’s linked with Ashkenazim, and Mugabe says Unz’s mother was Jewish. So he’s 100%.
If Unz is letting KMac post there, isn’t Unz being very “no holds barred”?
and, on the middle Easterners, even the inbreeding narrative can be sketchy…. it won’t cause IQs to crash down. Mainly the differences and issues we face with them are an example of, as Mugabe said “civilization varying greatly from time to time and place to place”
Unz is a Jew. He may have some wacky policies but he has a free speech website and allows criticism on his people. He doesn’t comment too much but when he does it’s great.
He schooled someone on citing statistic brain and their IQ scores. I’ll link it when I find it.
Unz is one of those rare people of any extraction who actually believes in free speech, from what I can tell.
summarizing
EVERYTHING i’m commenting here is to the best for all
for all who deserve the best
beings and human beings
that’s all
EVERYTHING you’re commeting here is to the best for YOU
i’m wrong**
good night
PP,
Have you read “A Troublesome Inheritance” by Nicholas Wade?
”Now studies (mostly done on whites) have found conservatives to be less intelligent than liberals. This is perhaps because from a moral perspective, conservatism is the wrong answer because it promotes inequality, and low IQ folks, by definition, get the wrong answer to all questions that require reasoning, including those that have a moral component.”
Your squalid observations about what ”low iq” people think is disgustingly biased… of course there are a greater proportion of morally idiotic people of all tons among them but ALSO there are exceptions, my major concern is about those ”exceptional ‘low iq’ types” that you just put in the same basket.
”One paradox is that blacks tend to be more liberal than whites, despite having lower IQs.”
Jeez,
you’re blind PP**
Most afram are just politically democrat because ”democrat party” have supposed political platform that are ”pro-afram causes”, most of them are not real ”liberal”, what you understand as liberal.
White middle class liberals are (superficially) concerned about lower classes…
Black lower class ”liberals’ are concerned about lower classes, read: about themselves.
if republican party were supposedly ”pro-afram social causes”, most afram ”would” republicans…
rep vs dem dichotomy is originally a very white/euram thing.. non-euram people tend to have different perspectives and intentions when they vote for rep or dem party in USA.
seems, 1/5 of eurams tend to be consistently left-leaning and less than 10% of them tend to be extreme left-leaning.
what is the percent of real left-leaning believers/supporters among afram**
”This is perhaps because if you’re black, conservatism is not just wrong from a moral perspective, but also from the perspective of your self interests, and from the perspective of your ethnic genetic interests. In other words, for a black to be a conservative, they need to be wrong in three different ways, while a white only needs to be morally wrong to be conservative.”
Is not all about conservatism that is wrong, specially biological preservation…
and is not all about liberalism that is right.
”This would explain why whites can be more conservative than blacks, despite having higher IQs. It also predicts that those blacks who are conservative, will be especially low in IQ (on average).”
maybe a higher proportion of white people who are capable to study and work hard and can have a classical middle class lifestyle make you think that there are more conservatives among euram than afram…
my hint is that there are higher proportion of ambiguously ”ideologic” afram people…
the percent of real and not-so-real secular people among blacks/afram seems to be lower than among whites/euram.
mainstream religiosity is a very conservative choice.
when black marry a non-black person he (specially men) subconsciously know that
– your kids, even more whiter, will be ‘blacks’ (or non-white) to the eyes of the society (even in latin american countries)
– is to improve the race.
many black people understand mixing race as a opportunity to improve ”their” genes, EGI there.
”The flat earth society also shows an ability to think independently, but I wouldn’t characterize them as smart. Independent thinking may be a signing of critical objective analysis, or it could show an inability to learn from others, eccentricity, or just plain autism.”
And the existence of fool independent thinkers don’t prove your point, period.
Is not ”may”
IS
is/can be a sign of critical objective analytical skills
can be a inability to learn from others OR subconscious inability to conform
”plain autism”
i thought real autistic readers here must accuse you of ”autismophobia”
there are predominantly fool independent thinkers, avg and gifted (generally a higher level of perspicacity).
what Tenn is saying is
”those afram who consciously avoid herd mentality of their communities to vote en masse for the demoniocrats is likely to be morally smart…”
specially because herd-mindset (specially about stupid cultures or stupid collective attitudes) tend to mean ultimately stupidity, independent of the iq range.
morally smart = accept your own weaknesses/mistakes or of your tribe, if republican party is not compliant with afram faillures.
of course ”morally smart” have many perspectives, and you can be morally smart for some aspects, avg and/or dumb for others.
seems afram communities in the past were better organized, with less kids out of marriage or sons with partial families than today
what has happened among (”native”) afram is also what has happened among white/euram working classes, liberalism can be bad with ”lower iq” folks*
less for socio economic indicators …
there are greater % of white kids of working classes living without their fathers* and this possible current fact have increased white-working class criminality* (seems not)
brazilian folklore and some great brazilian composers/singers seems pretty good, is not*
This is a little off topic but I was wondering what were your thoughts on someone who thinks about the whole of humanity as being part of his/her “genetic interest”? Is it possible to look out for everyone because they are human and you want the species to survive – irrespective of tribe, race or ethnicity?
Btw, nice blog!
That’s basically what I do. And I suspect more intelligent people are like this as well,(maybe excluding the jews).
Humanism ftw
Absolutely
generally we tend to look for our own family, something at subconscious level.
people who are more self-aware can detect this quasi-involuntary patterns, others not.
“generally we tend to look for our own family, something at subconscious level.”
Genetic similarity theory.
“people who are more self-aware” – basically people of greater intelligence are more likely to be humanist than tribalist
Genetic similarity is like familiarity
when you are in the dark you search for what you already know.
you follow the piece of bread in the ground.
in the conflict between group A and group B, you tend to be attracted by their own group/familiarity.
”basically people of greater intelligence are more likely to be humanist than tribalist”
i don’t think so
i think people with greater moral reasoning tend to be more humanist than tribalist.
a humanist person is a fair person, or tend to be.
if your son/daughter commits a crime, it will not be on his side.
objective morality.
Among tribalistas usually happens like this:
if your son/daughter commits a crime, it will be on his side.
subjective morality.
”genetic similarity”
if it is really absolutely correct why i’m much more cautious and less empathetic-leaning to the black people (i’m hypo-afrodescendent) than to the east asian people that i have very few familiarity AND more genetic distance (dissimilarity)**
It’s called globalism.
So, RaceRealist, what are your thoughts on globalism/humanism? Isn’t it a higher philosophy than tribalism/white supremacy/racism?
This is a little off topic but I was wondering what were your thoughts on someone who thinks about the whole of humanity as being part of his/her “genetic interest”? Is it possible to look out for everyone because they are human and you want the species to survive – irrespective of tribe, race or ethnicity?
As meLo implies, that would suggest someone with deep philosophical and moral insight, but I doubt many people would have a natural emotional impulse to be tribal with all human, unless they were a genetic mutant and/or unless we were under attack by aliens as Hamilton and later Reagan suggested.
The reason is tribalism evolved because it gave a competitive advantage to some genes over others, so if you’re tribal towards everyone, you negate that.
Btw, nice blog!
Thanks!
Hey pp what is your view on morality and moral reasoning m
I believe morality is largely about having compassion for the suffering of others, including those who aren’t like you.
Yes, of course.
But the how of how it came to be.
Like I say morality is evolved due to better increase fitness of genetically similar others, as your example plainly states.
Santo thinks morality is some magic property and that it didn’t occur to increase fitness (excuse me if this is a strawman, correct me if so).
Darwin espoused these views as well.
Have you read On the Origin of Species? I’m reading The Selfish Gene and Arrival of the Fittest right now and OtOfS is next.
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There are so many logical errors in this post i dont know where to begin.
1. Morality is a subjective illusion.
2. Conservatives if defined as being in sync with darwinism are “smarter” .
3. Blacks do well professional due solely do affirmative actuon. Presudent obama is a very good example of this. He was a no name 1 term senator with no track record . If he was white he would have had no chance.
4. Many conservatives dont support those positions above. However cuxkolds do because they are bribed to do so by high iq jews.
5. Conservatives have lower iqs but also higher testosterone. The algorithm shifts proteins in the nucleotide to what it think s is a winning proposition.
1. Morality is a subjective illusion.
Morality requires an awareness that other life forms suffer, and the compassion to care. It’s positively correlated with IQ because the awareness requires Theory of Mind, and the compassion indicates emotional health, which correlates with cognitive health, since both reflect overall brain health
2. Conservatives if defined as being in sync with darwinism are “smarter” .
Smarter means being able to adapt situations to your advantage, but if you’re smart and/or compassionate enough to feel that Darwinian goals are morally wrong, it’s not to your advantage to pursue them because you’ll feel guilty. Too much intelligence may sometimes impede genetic fitness, because personal abstract advantages trump genetic advantages.
Morality isn’t based on IQ or abstract thinking. Its based on affective empathy (or exploiting it in many cases) which different races have to different degrees. Its subjective. A poor dolt can be “moral” fairly easily.
Nobody “optimises welfare” according to the same vectors, nobody weights the claims of say blacks and east asians the same way. IQ does not predict “morality”, even if you could somehow agree on what it is and how to grade it.
Its a total illusion and cult leaders and religious shamen have known this for centuries as the spewed conjecture from the pulpit.
Morality isn’t based on IQ or abstract thinking.
What about Kohlberg’s stages of moral development? At higher levels they become more abstract.
Its based on affective empathy (or exploiting it in many cases) which different races have to different degrees. Its subjective. A poor dolt can be “moral” fairly easily.
A lot of dumb people feel affective empathy, but overall, studies seem to find a positive correlation between IQ and emotional sensitivity, and a negative correlation between IQ and psychopathy. Of course, the correlations are probably not large, and correlation does not equal causation.
Kohlberg found a six-stage progression in children’s reasoning of the social world that matched up with what Piaget observed in children’s reasoning about the physical world. Young children judged right and wrong, for instance, on whether or not a child was punished for their actions, since if they were punished for their actions by an adult then they must be wrong. Kohlberg then called the first two stages the “pre-conventional level of moral judgment”, which corresponded to Piaget’s stage at which children judge the physical world by superficial features.
During elementary school, most children move on from the pre-conventional level and understand and manipulate rules and social conventions. Kids in this stage care more about social conformity, hardly ever questioning authority.
Kohlberg then discovered that after puberty, which is right when Piaget found that children had become capable of abstract thought, he found that some children begin to think for themselves about the nature of authority, the meaning of justice and the reasoning behind rules and laws. Kohlberg considered children “‘moral philosophers’ who are trying to work out coherent ethical systems for themselves”, which was the rationalist reasoning at the time behind morality. Kohlberg’s most influential finding was that the children who were more morally advanced frequently were those who had more opportunities for role-taking, putting themselves into another person’s shoes and attempting to feel how the other feels through their perspective.
We can see how Kohlberg and Piaget’s work can be used to support and egalitarian and leftist, individualistic worldview.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/07/11/the-evolution-of-morality/
The Philosopher is right; morality isn’t based on IQ or abstract thinking. I argued with Santo for a while about this.
Moral reasoning is just a post hoc search for reasons to justify the judgments people have already made. When people are asked why, for certain questions, they find things morally wrong, they say they cannot think of a reason but they still think it is wrong.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150507135919.htm
My comment never posted but in essence kohlberg identofied morality as towing kantian ethics which is a very autistic way of thinking about morality.
There was a female philosopher whos essay was intriguing asking if a person was just like that and more, whether we would consider that person a ‘full’ or real person. I actually had a friend that thought about others first and foremost all the time and he was conaidered dim by people.
Consider he following thought experiment. You see a beggar beside the cash machine. You gove him 5 dollars. Technically i can argue you are immoral because you saw the black baby starbing in a charity advertisement an hour ago and the 5 dollars could have saved his life but you chose to give the beggar a coffee.
The next level of complexity os that statistically you know the black boy will join a gnag and if its africa, probably rape a woman.
The next level os that the black boy had a father that ran off and impregnated several women. So the beggar is a finite solution solved.
Etc etc
This is real abstract thinking but there are no optimal responses. There is no efficient answer. There is no truth. The more you are aware of actuaral tables and life outcomes the muddier the reasoni g becomes.
You do not need abstract reasoning to follow morality broady defined for lower iq people either. You do need it to discern it is an illusion however. Religions have created false moralities for centuries, now communists and now sjws. The reasoning is irrelevant because its based on (a) availability of resources (b) personal genetc dispositions that cant be generalised logically and (c) fashionable concepts that will be out of date within 20 years.
Morailty is an illusion. Free your mind. Only those that have discerned the stupiduty of right and wrong could ever do a good act. Schopenhauer was correct. Any morality of it exists in this world comes from compassion, not reason.
”Philosopher”
Morality is all, without it we would kill one each other.
I summarize his great and eloquent thought as:
” Rationalization of sociopathy ” or ”bullshit”
Another imbecile who defines himself a philosopher, like that Brazilian curse, santaklaus RETARDED.
”A lot of dumb people…”
Oprah fan said it.
Trumpocalypse
No we wouldn’t kill each other if we didn’t have “morality”. We see that because different groups all over the world have wildly different make belief moralities and the results are broadly similar. Its not a predictive factor. You couldn’t even quantify which groups are “more moral” than others because its not a real attribute. Any “morality test” you or some other gamma dope could devise would have rubbish cronbach.
The East asians have the least crime. But not because they’re more “moral” than whites, volunteer more, save the whales etc, but due to low testosterone and autistic rule following tendencies…the very same tendencies that mean they’re the least religious/most functional.
You can’t even verbally define to yourself in a mirror beyond “not killing each other” and being ‘nice’ (which is also nebulous) what morality is. That’s a test most people would pass, including most intellectually disabled and inanimate objects.
Is it pro-actively devoting time to those less fortunate? Or just not hurting them? Relative to what benchmark? Their neighbour, or what they think is ideal?
Its a joke subject. Pick any 2 people at random on a city street, even within the same culture and they will differ on it.
There are many reasons why someone wouldn’t kill another person beyond moral “reasons”. In fact the burden would be establishing why someone would risk getting killed trying to kill someone.
Just rubbish!!
go back to the jungle retarded … ”philosoph”…
I’m not Trumpocalypse.
QED.
Retarded NEGRO
Morality, post hoc searches for judgements you already have, etc.