Despite being the most worshipped human ever of 2025, Trump has dethroned Obama as the most worshipped LIVING man according to an annual poll conducted virtually every December since the 1940s. If you think that’s a contradiction note that in polling like in elections, the shape of the field determines the outcome so when people are free to choose among ALL HUMANS (alive or dead, real or fictional) Obama wins, but when the competition is confined to only male humans who are alive, Trump wins, with 13% of Americans naming him (unprompted) as a man they admire, more than triple the 4% who named Obama. However 4% was enough to make Obama the most worshipped self-made man, a title he’s held virtually every year since 2008. Joe Biden has the distinction of being perhaps the only U.S. President in the poll’s 78 year history to never be either the most worshipped man or the most worshipped self-made man.
Meanwhile there was no clear winner on the female side, with Melania Trump, Michelle Obama, and Kamala Harris all locked in a three-way tie with 3% each, but 3% is enough to allow Harris to tower as the most worshipped self-made woman on the entire planet for the second consecutive year, dethroning Oprah who held the title almost every single year since 1997.
| Most admired man (Dec 2025) | Most admired man (Dec 2024) | Most admired man (Dec 2023) |
| Donald Trump 13% | Barack Obama 17% (self-made) | Barack Obama 14% (self-made) |
| Barack Obama 4% (self-made) | Donald Trump 8% | Donald Trump 9% |
| Elon Musk 3% (self-made) | Elon Musk 7% (self-made) | Elon Musk 5% (self-made) |
| Pope Leo 2% (self-made) Warren Buffett 2% (self-made) Johnny Depp 1% (self-made) | Pope Francis 4% (self-made) Joe Biden 4% (self-made) | Jimmy Carter 4% (self-made) Keanu Reeves 4% (self-made) |
| Ronaldo 1% (self-made) JD Vance 1% (self-made) Joe Rogan 1% (self-made) Bill Gates 1% (self-made) Bernie Sanders 1% (self-made) Volodymyr Zelenskyy 1% (self-made) Keanu Reeves 1% (self-made) | Volodymyr Zelenskyy 2% (self-made) Bernie Sanders 2% (self-made) Warren Buffet 2% (self-made) Bill Gates 2% (self-made) | Joe Biden 3% (self-made) |
| Jeff Bezos 2% (self-made) Jackie Chan 2%(self-made) Bill Gates 2% (self-made) Gavin Newsom 2% (self-made) Arnold Schwarzenegger 2% (self-made) Sylvester Stallone 2% (self-made) Bernie Sanders 2% (self-made) | ||
| Most admired woman (Dec 2025) | Most admired woman (Dec 2024) | Most admired woman (Dec 2023) |
| Melania Trump 3% Michelle Obama 3% Kamala Harris 3% (self-made) | Kamala Harris 11% (self-made) Michelle Obama 11% | Michelle Obama 12% |
| Kim Kardashian 2% Taylor Swift 2% (self-made) Malala Yousafzai 2% (self-made) | Oprah 5% (self-made) Hillary Clinton 5% | Oprah 7% (self-made) |
| Kristi Noem 1% Karoline Leavitt 1% (self-made) Greta Thunberg 1% (self-made) Makenzie Scott 1% Beyonce 1% (self-made) Oprah 1% (self-made) | Malala Yousafzai 3% (self-made) Catherine, Princess of Wales 3% Dolly Parton 3% (self-made) | Hillary Clinton 3% Kamala Harris 3% (self-made) Dolly Parton 3% (self-made) Jill Biden 3% |
| Brett Cooper 2% (self-made) Melinda Gates 2% Gisèle Pelicot 2% (self-made) | Mary J. Blige 2% (self-made) Candace Cameron Bure 2% (self-made) Selena Gomez 2% (self-made) Alicia Keys 2% (self-made) Candace Owens 2% (self-made) | |
Prior to Oprah breaking the color barrier in 1997, thus normalizing blackness, not a single black face had ever topped the male or female side of the list (self-made or otherwise). It was unthinkable and even today, the only nominal blacks to ever top the male side (Obama and Colin Powell) have been extremely hybridized.
*Note the female half of the poll was not given in 1967, and the entire poll was not given in 1975 & 1976.
*Note 2020 was the last year Gallup conducted the poll but I resurrected it in 2023 via survey monkey.
Pumpkin Person 
Why did you call Oprah and Kamala ‘self made’. What is the defintion you are using? Forbes?
Because they weren’t born or married into their status.
Well Kamala slept into her status.
And oprah sent women to certain individuals for her status.
Well Kamala slept into her status.
Still relatively self-made
And oprah sent women to certain individuals for her status.
No evidence of that. But if she did that was after she had her status and was just being greedy for even more.
And in a way that’s even more SELF-MADE because that’s Darwinian law of the jungle. I’ll feed the cheetah so the cheetah wont eat me. That’s the kind of quick creative thinking our ancestors needed to evolve big brains for and Oprah’s is among the biggest of them all.
Well thats the type of thinking that makes you and the people you sell out slaves.
Like in africa once upon a time.
I haven’t sold out a damn thing, but the primates that used their intelligence for evil were rewarded by evolution because intelligence evolved for predation.
As usual you seem to know nothing. Not even about your beloved Africa. The black chieftains sold their own people to the slave traders. Its not a million miles off neoliberals selling out their nations to neocons.
That type of thinking only ends one way. And you become a slave just like the people you sell out. Worse even.
But in your nutty conspiracy theory Oprah was selling white women into sexual slavery, not her own people, so that makes her a master not a slave, and thus an evil genius not a useful idiot or an Uncle Tom.
Its not about race. Neocons view all other races the same way.
Well Oprah’s show was the loudest voice against Iraq War in final months leading up to it:
both positions are wrong
Oprah would never make young girls into victums
you never watched her show if you think that is the case
and doing bad things is wrong even in evolution terms
humans get rid of people that do those things
at least for the past thousand years in Europe
Oprah would never make young girls into victums
Evidence? Citation?
The citation is you pill. This conspiracy theory only started because of a photo of Oprah and Weinstein mingling with a 23-year-old actress but Pill took one look at it and found Oprah’s expression was one of barely concealed disgust. We know from psychometric testing that you’re good at visually sizing up social situations and that was your conclusion.
No I looked at her career and don’t understand how an obese ugly black woman got into hollywood and mainstream tv without a helping hand.
Not an invisible hand like you free marketing types.
So you’re saying she wasn’t sexy enough to sleep her way to the top like beautiful stars do so she tricked all the thin pretty people into having sex for her thus not only achieving extreme wealth & power for DECADES but punishing all the beauties who looked down on her in the process.
If that’s true she’s the smartest person in media history. To come from a low class black background with no exposure to elite culture & figure all that out so quickly & use it become the richest & most worshipped self-made woman on the planet for years & the first multibillionaire black in American history
As Cambridge grad thandie newton said “I was STUNNED. She sooooo SMART she ACUTE. she got a mind like a RAZOR BLADE!”
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
^^^
Does this make you stop and think a bit?
nope
If you technically mean “most admired” to be people have the most attention on them, which is sometimes positive, and that is well-known (Shelling Point), and is looked as a leader in some sense… The list basically makes sense.
It’s a list of people named most often when Americans are asked what men alive today they admire most and what women alive today they admire most. The fact that a President or former President has been #1 on the male side virtually every year for nearly 80 years tells me it must be measuring something important.
I like the list because if someone says you’re one of the 2 men they admire most in the entire world even ahead of their own father and son or husband, then they kind of worship you and if you’re worshipped by the most powerful country you’re kind of like a God and since God is define as all powerful, then the list is a crude proxy for power, and if it’s self-made power, you’re metaphorically God because God can literally be defined as the only truly self-made thing ever.
Mr. Clifton serves on several boards, including the U.S. Council on Competitiveness, is Chairman Emeritus of the Thurgood Marshall College Fund and Chairman of the Dr. N. Joyce Payne Center for Social Justice.
^^
This is your daddy.
Gallup Chairman. His son is CEO.
“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” – John 8:44
so you think there’s been a decades long conspiracy to falsely convince the public that U.S. Presidents are admired in their own country? Is survey monkey in on the conspiracy theory too since after Gallup ended the poll I continued it with them.
Well Gallup became ‘occupied’ like Disney and CNN.
The fact that they ended the poll in 2020 after Trump won the first time (I resurrected it) shows bias. But note they chose to end the poll once it started contradicting their narrative rather than choosing to lie about the results. This tells me propaganda is more about curation than falsification because the latter is a riskier less effective strategy long-term.
Why do you need a daddy?
because you need to justify your asshole nature?
Society should be run on impartiality and sound judgments both of which you neither posses as an emotional person.
It is why the adults of civilization structured things as they are.
The public cannot be trusted.
It destroy itself without proper infrastructure and institutions.
Why is the bible right and CNN is always wrong. Hmmm. Need a peer reviewed paper in Nature to figure out that one.
You should contact the ADL and Wikipedia too. They are so factually reliable even your favorite LLMs will train on them for factual accuracy and references!
interesting discussion about Indian-black relations
Kamala should [redacted by pp, 26-01-16]. Twice. Married a neocon for access to $$$ and fame.
Has zero opinions or beliefs.
No achievements.
It shows only that you need little IQ to get somewhere socially.
115 minimum
so the public admires it because they can reach it themselves potentially
Averaging out abilities,
my sister can do things I cannot as a secretary, data entry copy paste fast
draws in photorealism
so we are about equal in intelligence
only I focus on studying all the time and thinking
I get burnout, she likes to party sometimes
female intelligence is different from male intelligence
I do not know specifically how
people vs things?
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Batman is still cool
better than any living nonfictional person on pp’s list
his only superpowers are that he is rich and intelligent and strong
so no unrealistic things like laser vision, everything he does could happen if he was real at least if designed that way in a comic.
batman makes his own technology, at least he understands it to fix and use it. he understands science. has a utility belt. sonic hearing.
recently i saw he met the ninja turtles
both live in Gotham/New York city
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NASA had an elementary school program in 1996 – I attended a mission control simulation in a class room but had no idea what to do at the console ort with the book.
I bet they use this to screen out the really smart kids.
They go to NASA in real life at a young age.
Average astronaut is IQ 135
So science staff members must be really really high up.
They deny UFO’s exist but that’s to keep their reputation clean.
Conan O’Brien ‘Donald Trump 12/14/05
Serious Irish banter here. Conan would do great in Ireland.
Magnum Force – I’m Afraid You’ve Misjudged Me
The greatest scene in hollywood history
How can IQ tests be accurate if we do not know who is being tested?
The tests themselves are “standardized” on “representative” samples.
meaning you pick random people from a random population.
Thus we cannot know which populations we are comparing to each other.
These could be elite populations or they could be poor malnourished people.
The results of standardization is 100 people for populations with 100 million. And it gets worse as so many tests exist we cannot compare them all to each other by the methodology they use is not the same.
even if you tested all people under the dame methodology you still do not get an absolute measure of intelligence.
an absolute measure would tell you what intelligence is in the sense that it tell you how hard it is to solve a problem under quantitative circumstances. thus define spatial or verbal is numbers that tell us the nature of the problems themselves.
what is spatial intelligence?
what is verbal intelligence?
in concrete terms that we can define them?
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because testing is random we get things like tests given to select populations, not full populations (we need bayes theorem to calculate this) to say where all aggregated samples lie on a curve.
I just saw an interview that said university student IQ is now 102
but this is still 30 points higher in raw scores compared to students in 1940’s who less than 50% graduated high school.
his paper was taken offline because people got upset
(this image was made be me and not in the paper)
These could be elite populations or they could be poor malnourished people.
When the Wechsler is standardized they take a few hundred people from each age group and select them so they match the U.S. census on key variables like sex, education, rural vs urban, occupation level & race
The results of standardization is 100 people for populations with 100 million.
More than 100 but even 100 is a lot because standard error of a sample mean = standard deviation of the measure divided by the square root of the sample size.
That has not occurred up until recently.
And only in America.
You look at Africa they have no records long ago so Richard Lynn would give an IQ of 40 to countries with samples of 20 or less malnourished kids.
He did not do the studies, he did not test the kids IQ himself, but the data is so poor it never can be used to give accurate results.
What if data is just bad data?
What if SES does not control for IQ?
Lots of rich people are stupid and some poor people are smart. You cannot tell from SES who will and will not be high or low in a sample by SES alone.
What if by chance we got people in the samples who were just not representative? it can happen because of the false positive rate. Ten points upon or down given you test people twice so flukes do exist and kids could guess right or wrong by chance. Old tests were stupid.
It all may cancel out if you force it to fit a curve but if the Flynn effect is real we should know who was tested and compare them to all other tested people in the age group. Do the samples match up or not? People born in 1990 and 1950 would have raw scores differently by chance some of the time.
I took the WAIS4 test 3 times 109, 112 and 103 – on the WISC3 test I got 125 at 12 years old. Does this mean the psychologists are subtracting points because of the Flynn effect? are they doing it to the subtests specifically?
Its like you need Einstein general relativity to understand this stuff.
noise cancels out but that makes everything low dimensional. 40 IQ points for one country is impossible even with all the kids being malnourished. Same applies in America when they do not account for noise.
The Flynn effect was 1.2 points from WAIS4 to WAIS 5 for 1 decade.
but then they accounted for all the noise in the datasets?
They would not do so in old data sets.
would they?
Lynn corrected his data for the Flynn effect. So for example if a study found Africans scored 70 on the Raven in 1962, but the test was normed in Britain in 1942, and Raven scores increase by 2 points per decade, he’d subtract 4 points from the African IQ, thud reducing them to 66 based on the assumption that had they been compared to Brits of their same birth year, they would have scored 66.
The studies done in Africa were seldom designed to get representative or random samples so Lynn just picked the ones that in his opinion, were reasonably representative. He’s been criticized for including samples with malnutrition and I imagine he would have said “malnutrition is the norm in these countries so these samples are representative”.
How can 20 malnourished children represent the norm IQ of an entire African country at 40 IQ? the lowest dataset put a country at 30 IQ.
Its just not accurate data.
And in America we still do not understand how noise effects the results of IQ test standardization, in the past or even right now.
(noise and the Flynn effect are not the same, by noise I mean people can always give random results regardless of SES factors)
(the invalidity of test data would even make Koko the gorilla sad with how bad it is)
I think the lowest country is 43:
I suspect this is because they tried to estimate the IQs of people with scores lower than the Raven manual allows. Also a test like the Raven must seems so irrelevant to people living in rural villages that they lack the confidence, motivation & test sophistication to get a valid score.
Is that 2020 data or 1980’s data?
In Nepal they are hard core Buddhist monks so IQ really is not something they would care about?
(people in Nepal have evolved a gene to breathe in high altitude climates)
its harder to live in certain places in the world, Sudan has no food most times in its history would make it really hard to live.
I think the genetic IQ of Africa is at least 90
If we look at how Europeans evolved they did so to farm and farming requires different models in the brain to measure land and cooperate.
In hunter gatherer societies people use intelligence to modulate the body temperature and hunt long distances in small groups.
The brain mass is just being used differently does not make them less intelligent. They memorize the environment of plants and animals not books. Survival is more important that abstract subjects for most of the history.
Cognitive resources match up to the environment pressures so school may be one pressure but then the body being used all the time instead of school is another.
Farming requires cooperation differently creating a personality change in how they do so. Small tribes do not need long term planning (winter crop seasons) but do require social intelligence to see who will and will not cooperate in small bands.
This is not measured at all by the tests.
Modern people today are being separated from each other based on what they can do. Its what I said earlier about NASA testing elementary school kids. Placement is happening right now in all societies.
I can imagine Puppy in an ICE uniform. He would start deporting american citizens and giving out towels and hotdogs to mexicans.
😂 lol