In August 2015, the music critics at Rolling Stone released their list of the 100 greatest song writers of all time. I found the top 25 online, removed the non-Americans for statistical convenience, and then recorded the ethnic background of each one.
| Rank (among American song writers) | Name | Ethnicity |
| 1 | Bob Dylan | Jewish |
| 2 | Chuck Berry | Black |
| 3 | Smokey Robinson | Black |
| 4 | Mick Jagger & Keith Richards | White Gentile |
| 5 | Carole King & Gerry Goffin | Jewish |
| 6 | Paul Simon | Jewish |
| 7 | Joni Mitchell | White Gentile |
| 8 | Stevie Wonder | Black |
| 9 | Brian Wilson | White Gentile |
| 10 | Hank Williams | White Gentile |
| 11 | Bruce Springsteen | White Gentile |
| 12 | Eddie Holland, Lamont Dozier and Brian Holland | Black |
| 13 | Neil Young | White Gentile |
| 14 | Prince | Black |
| 15 | Ellie Greenwich & Jeff Barry | Jewish |
| 16 | Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller | Jewish |
| 17 | Lou Reed | Jewish |
| 18 | Robert Johnson | Black |
| 19 | Randy Newman | Jewish |
Seven of the top 19 are Jewish (37%). But keep in mind that almost all of these people are from the Silent Generation which was likely around 5.8% Jewish (not counting recent older immigrants). Even still, Jewish representation is an astonishing 638% (37/5.8 = 6.38). Six of the top 19 (32%) are Black. Given that blacks were about 11% of America in the 1960s and 1970s (when most of these song writers were most relevant) their representation is an also incredible 291% (2.91). Around the same era, non-Hispanic whites were 87.5% of America, and if we subtract the 5.8% who were likely Jewish, that gives 81.7% of Americans who were likely White Gentiles, but given that only 32% of this list is, that gives a representation of only 39%.
But keep in mind that this list was made by music critics from the legacy media so they have their own biases as we all do. The results need to be replicated by more diverse methods before we can conclude, categorically, that when it comes to writing pop music, Jews > Blacks > White Gentiles.
Pumpkin Person 
Assuming the methodology from you and [misnamed magazine redacted by pp, March 13, 2025] is sound, this actually makes a ton of sense. Many of the most legendary rap songs were helped written by Jews. Rick Rubin is a great example of this.
Black Americans tend to be kinesthetically gifted and have a knack for showmanship due to their extraversion, but they lack the IQ for songwriting creativity. That’s where Jews come in. They help lift up the gifted black community by providing their resources and IQ.
Melo and other mentally defective “liberals” thinks jews are White which means their success is a result of careful inbreeding and an ethnocentric religion, chasing wealth, prestige, etc. at the expense of whatever the surrounding culture is, having ethnic pride, and basically your own individual distinct culture (kosher, holidays, specific schools and enclaves).
Wow! I didn’t know you were such a racist!
Lol What?
Whites in general following the same strategy that lead jews to success would be “racist” according to you and basically anti-whatever communistic blank slatist “environmental determinist” etc. you follow.
This took me a few seconds to parse. For a moment, I thought “anti-whatever” was modifying “communistic blank slatist”, i.e., I thought you were saying that his beliefs were both “anti-whatever” and “communistic blank slatist”. I don’t think that’s what you meant, but I like that. I am anti-whatever. Proudly.
the melo personality thinks it’s a communist but actually it’s just an EXTREME RACIST and counter-revolutionary.
when the actual commies take over melo will be one of the first people arrested and sent to the GULAG.
SAD!
“Whites in general following the same strategy that lead jews to success would be “racist””
I’m not sure I agree with your characterization, but assuming it’s true, while I’m not sure I’d consider it racist, I don’t think it’s a morally good thing.
My bad. I’m so used to you talking about that other magazine that I didn’t even think about it.
Lol, Schumer and Fetterman.
What cowards. I guess we’ll just keep watching it burn.
Man, there truly is no nontainted content anymore in the HBDsphere is there?
Are “white” and “black” race-terms or ethno-terms?
are you mentally retarded or mentally retarded?
To be fair American blacks are 25% White which makes the subjective “achievements” in this article by blacks actually more White than otherwise. And who knows the ethnic composition of successful black musicians from the era Rolling Stone emphasizes.
If you wanted to know badly enough that you were willing to spend the time doing it, you could find some pictures of all of them and see how dark their skin is, which I figure is a decent proxy for proportion of black ancestry.
True. I’m pretty sure Prince is a little more than the 24% European average of American blacks.
prince is probably 70% white. His mom was white and his dad is a lighter skinned black.
I don’t know, is your name Ethno Realist?
What about Dr. Luke?
I don’t know, what about him?
He wrote some of the top pop songs over the past 20 years.
Rolling Stones might be right about the 20th century but not the one we are in currently.
Where in Elvis Presley or the Beatles, Britney Spears and the backstreet boys on their list lol
Music has not even been a thing until labeled and digital media could record it, so “of all time” means something like, in those 1980’s erra when they grew up in.
elvis didn’t write his own songs & i removed the beatles cause not american
I want you to explain how you maintained contact with Rushton even though you hated him fro being an evil ‘racist’
PP was unbelievably lucky that he called Rushton out of the blue and got a response, let alone chatted with him regularly. I hope I have that much luck if I ever want to talk to a distinguished professor of something.
Seeing this the white power faggots and dipshits would seethe and their ass would burn with rage, and say it is a Jew conspiracy.
I’m sorry brown person, did you see a young girl you couldn’t grope?
Can you tell me what a woman is though, without it being utterly arbitrary and inconsistent with your definition of a man as something different?
Lol, define “Human.”
Why?
I don’t do requests without a “please”.
I can tell you what a woman is! A female adult human.
thats what you pencil d*cked white power 1488 manginas would do when you are not blowing your rudolf shitler, and it sounds like you’d fit that description perfectly, asswipe!!!:)
^^The kind of commenter/comments these articles attract.
Bob Zimmerman might be the most overrated musician in history
mick jagger and keith richards are NOT americans!
PEEPEE’S LOW IQ STRIKES AGAIN!
SO THE ONLY ONES WHO BELONG ON THE LIST SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY “MUH STATISTICAL CONVENIENCE N SHIT”.
PEEPEE’S LOW IQ STRIKES AGAIN!
I limited it to Americans because otherwise representation would just be a function of American representation since most of list is American.
I like to think that Mug of Pee is a troll who writes like he does as a deliberate act, but, if he is, I am impressed that he has kept his performance going for so long without breaking character.
I will agree that jews are probably better on average than others at “writing songs” in a specific sense that they write lyrics that others can cover with their own versions. But the actual song performances are lacking.
They’re likely better lyricists because verbal IQ but I assume they were also looking at melody.
PROOF!
NEIL YOUNG IS A CANADIAN!
PEEPEE LIVES IN INDIA!
SAD!
he has dual citizenship
^^^MEANINGLESS AUTISM^^^
so in making a list of nobel laureates peepee would say einstein was an american?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW IQ!
^^^MEANINGLESS AUTISM^^^
so in making a list of nobel laureates peepee would say einstein was an american.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW IQ!
Immigrants are American you little racist freak. In 2005 Einstein was elected one of the 25 greatest Americans of all time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American
“In 2005 Einstein was elected one of the 25 greatest Americans of all time”
You say that as though everyone who voted for him knew that he was born in Germany
Which of these things will happen first?
Race Realist realizing that claiming g is a statistical reification implicitly claims that there are statistical observations from which g can be reified, and therefore something real must be causing those observations.
Mug of Pee breaking character.
PP gets professional help for his addiction to Oprah.
Philosopher says something nice about somebody.
Anyone want to place bets?
RR would just claim IQ tests measure adherence to and understanding of some set of facts or worldview, basically making all tests contextual and only contextual, and anyone good at any IQ test is a “subject matter expert” at that test.
So like you imply he basically ignores the fact that all tests have commonalities such as dealing cognition of information and using the rules of logic like deduction and induction. That’s why I call him post modernist, because as Peterson states “he doesn’t believe in a grand unifying narrative” (as he accepts donations from small hat Ben Shapiro).
I am having a tremendous amount of insight into how intelligence happens in the brain from the wire diagrams and functionality papers I have been reading.
And it’s not like the parts of the brain are not connected in the way they are because of genes or anything lol yes it’s because of that. Because growth patterns are not random. When a gene turns on or off the allele of that gene in the brain will make growth patterns different for alleles not the same as the others in the protein manufactured.
rr thinks that a brain can happen without genes and intelligence can happen without a brain, anything else besides that he calls racist hereditarian and reductionist. But in fact growth patterns do exist and loops as to learning does exist. Physical processes I can explain to a twelve year old.
The brain is dynamic and connected, it changes where signals go to be capable of learning. But you need to see how and I can tell you.
Whether planning (DLPC) or self correction monitoring (ACC) reinforced behaviors need emotions (amygdala) to weight options by their significance. So the more options you can weigh the better. The hippocampus consolidate what works and what does not in your memory as to how wide you perceive the number of options and the size of the hypothesis you can make. The TPJ is in fact allows attention to be greater in the first place by the intricacy of what’s connected.
Like a car has parts and four wheel drive you can see how intelligence gets done by the brain. It’s not reifide or reduction. It’s simple mechanisms that put together do more or less depending on the diagrams.
To be honest I think that this stuff was all known known in 2013 – the brain project would not be done with billions in funding if we knew nothing.
I mean the brain has 180 regions in the grey matter alone. So mechanisms must exist more or less complex in different people as to how well they function together. If not we would not need a complicated system and just a blob of tissue would be fine.
“Reductionist” is not a rebuttal to the fact brains are complex mechanisms functioning better or worse in different ways for different people.
So all this time I’ve been debating with someone that bascially believes evolution is intelligent design. So crazy.
Imagine being dumb enough to confuse rare Earth hypothesis with intelligent design.
You believe in intelligent design. You basically just stated life could only happen on earth and were special.
We could be the only one. How does that imply intelligent design? Someone has to win the lottery.
I believe in intelligent design, but not in the anti science religious way you do. I believe in it the way Chris Langan does.
Pill, I knew Chris Langan.
I debated Chris Langan for days.
I taught Chris Langan about his head size.
Pill, you’re no Chris Langan.
Ok state 1 scientific fact or theory you disagree with RR.
did you know that every pope ever has been italian. including peter. peter’s last name was little-caesar’s-pizza-is-so-delicious.
that’s what peepee told me.
sad!
well, for the “whites supremacist” take, Jews do control most of the music industry, so nepotism could play a role in their overrepresentation. For every great Jewish musician (and I do like many of them) there are likely scads of young nonjews who were not signed and afforded the opportunity to hone their craft with top talent.This is especially true in the case of broadway musicals in which every songwriting team consists primarily of Jews. Yet most of the great classical music of history was written by nonjewish Europeans. I’ve always had the sense that nonjews were being systematically excluded.(seems obvious)
Same with comedy and most other industries like finance, media, academia, government etc
Serious question – do you agree with RR or not the genes don’t cause anything to happen? And do you agree with him that basically evolution doesnt apply to humans? And while were at it, that pharmaceuticals have no effect on people? Or hormones dont cause anyones behaviour?
Im struggling to see where the 2 of you clowns actually disagree and basically I’m thinking religious wackjobs like you 2 might even share the same favourite colour and favourite foods etc.
Serious question – do you agree with RR or not the genes don’t cause anything to happen?
No
And do you agree with him that basically evolution doesnt apply to humans?
No
And while were at it, that pharmaceuticals have no effect on people?
No
Or hormones dont cause anyones behaviour?
No
I’m seeing the neocons mentioned a lot in ‘left wing’ media now. Its like they’ve completely taken over the left having previously been darlings of fox news and National Review.
These shapeshifting satanists just change over depending on the climate.
And trump is giving them everything on on Israel!!
Bret Stephens, the ‘conservative’ (lol) is criticising trump for making peace with Russia.
Trump should say to netanyahu – look Ill give you gaza. You tell the zionists to back off and stop planning a coup.
Pill you & Mug of Pee don’t get it. Trump & Steve Bannon hate Jews for not being pro-Israel enough. That’s how dumb these clowns are. If these two useful idiots didn’t exist Mossad would have to invent them. And Bannon complains about Musk’s autism lol.
Social intelligence in the toilet. Hes hugging Israel to make the neocons stop with the dumb schemes.
No you freaking idiot. They’re hugging Israel because (1) Marianne Adelson’s money, and (2) they see it as part of a white brotherhood of countries being invaded by non-whites. They’re so socially retarded they think America would be even more pro-Israel if not for Jewish elites. LOL!
Pill & Mug of Pee know nothing about American history, but if they would, they’d discover Trump is just Pat Buchanan all over again, minus Pat’s criticism of Israel. It’s the minus part which explains why Trump became president and Buchanan got fired from MSNBC, despite having a much higher IQ.
Why do you keep putting so much emphasis on what a politicians says in public rather than what he says in private? Autism?
So you think Trump & Bannon secretly believe elite Jews are too pro-Israel but have decided to publicly attack them for being too pro-Palestinian? Why?
Unless Bannon is so high IQ he decided that the only way to hold together their coalition of anti-Muslim Zionists and anti-semites is to attack Jews for not being pro-Israel enough. This would allow them to placate the anti-semites because they’re attacking Jews while placating the Zionists, because they’re attacking the “traitorous” Jews, while also pleasing the elite Jews (by blaming America’s support for Israel on not them).
But I don’t think Trump is disciplined enough to play 3D chess for ten straight years, even if he were smart enough. It’s much more likely he’s just one of those white nationalists (or white nationalist adjacents) who like Jews (like Jared Taylor and Destructure) and sees them as white, especially since he’s leaving much of his wealth to Jewish grandkids.
Your social intelligence is not your best trait. And you take people very literally, not politically. A politicians intended audience is often not the people theyre speaking to in the room or the public.
Trump is talking to democrat elites and neocons when he says that. Hes obviously realised a decade ago who his true political opponent is and was going to be running on an anti war anti immigrant platform. He would have had many conversations with jewish elites on the new york cocktail circuit about their views.
Trump likely knows the democrat party is run by jews. Like 80 or 90% of its elites. Hes trying to turn them by saying they need to listen to their cousins. Its true though that many jews are single issue voters on Israel. I would say its the only thing many jews truly believe in ideologically actually.
Right now 75% of jews vote democrat. Hes basically trying to get them to basically bend the democrat party to him by using the issue of Israel, which quite frankly is actually happening. The democrat party could be far far more obstructive otherwise.
They may not like his anti replacement or pro Putin stances but they have to put up with it if they get Gaza or he deports pro palestinian protestors.
If trump didnt give Israel everything then there would be no reason to keep trump around. The hostility he gets from donors and the media would be approaching david duke levels if he acted like Clinton or god forbid, Obama, on Israel.
Bannon is a more academically intelligent version of trump. You can tell by his writing and podcast that hes intelligent enough to be jew aware and know the real reason for the wars on russia and the middle east and have some sort of long term plan to erode them. This is why the jews demanded trump remove him from the white house. They would have been privy to his real thoughts by eavesdropping.
The options on the table right now for trump or bannon are (a) to say openly jews run the country and get banished like david duke or (b) hug the single issue jewish voters and that will give you some room on domestic policy.
Both are bleak options but one is less bleak than the other.
My analysis is Trump is jew aware from pure social intelligence. His academic intelligence and understanding of evolution might even be worse than yours.
But he would have known that most of the people at the galas, celebrity parties and NYC social scene were ashkenazim and hes intuitive enough to know that they are gigantically overrepresented because of something inherent going on in them and not their culture or some sociological trend. He married his daughter off to another jewish real estate baron for the same reason aristocrats do it. For the same reason Bill Clinton did it. The same reason Kamala did it. Etc.
But when a person can use intuition to observe inherent traits in a person or a group or a race, basically that person is (a) more likely to be a ‘racist’ and (b) more likely to feel disgust. You and many others dont have that trait and you need book learning to become aware. And even when you become aware academically you dont feel disgust because its been neuteured in you or neurological reasons.
Your social intelligence is not your best trait. And you take people very literally, not politically. A politicians intended audience is often not the people theyre speaking to in the room or the public.
You’re talking about Trump like he’s a normal politician. Anyone with basic social intelligence knows he shoots from the hip and is not playing some 3D chess game for ten years. He’s far too impulsive for that and is incapable of staying on script that long.
Yes he knows that Jews are high IQ and have a lot of power, and that’s why he worships them. Yes we shouldn’t take Trump’s word literally, but we should take him seriously because we know he believes wierd things and acts on them.
The other day puppy said Will smith was a mensa intellect.
The probability will smith even finished high school is zero.
You can tell from Will’s humour, fluency and wisdom that he has a 130 IQ:
From his biography:
Though they were no longer married, Willard Sr. and Carolineshared the same goal of a top-notch education for their son.The computer industry was young and booming in the mid-1980s, and Will’s father believed his son could be a successfulcomputer engineer. With his parents’ urging, Will took theScholastic Aptitude Tests (SATs), which many colleges use aspart of their admissions criteria. Even though his grades haddropped somewhat, Will’s scores on the SATs were excellent.Willard Sr. and Caroline urged their son to apply tosome colleges. Will did so and was accepted right away atthe Milwaukee School of Engineering. Then two recruitersfrom the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)interviewed Will. They tried to interest him in applying forMIT’s two-year pre-engineering prep course. MIT is one ofthe best technology colleges in the United States. MITstudents are among the brightest in the country. AttendingMIT would be a major opportunity for Will if he had anyinterest in a career in computer engineering.But that is not what Will wanted. He told his parentsthat he planned to become a rapper. His mother wasoutraged—and worried. Music, like all the arts, is a verycompetitive business. There are always more musicianstrying to make it big than there are opportunities.Will was able to work out a compromise with his parents.He asked them to consider his love for music, along with thefact that he was starting to have some success. They agreed togive him a year to work on his rap career. If it did not take offby the time the year was up, Will would go to college
peepee is a black african woman living in india sadly.
PEEPEE JUST CAME OUT DUH CLOSET AS 100% PURE NEGRO.
SAD!
How dare you say something good about a black person!!!!
GRRRRRR
😡
Turns out that the frontal parietal theory of intelligence is wrong.
An article I read says that when you adjust for cerebellum function that parietal activity is cancelled out.
The cerebellum is not just for motor commands. It is used to coordinate activities in all the cerebrum (grey matter).
Hypothesis formation is a curious thing. There are circuits that mix things together.
The DLPC is connected to the basalgangilian (this creates the signals going down to the muscles) The hippocampus and the partial lobe not just temporal lobes connect. OFC let’s us value something over another.
We pay attention to where things are and what they do together. So if I have goals I need to remember many things. We need to make sure our progress is not interrupted and that things are not getting in each other’s way. Priority then is putting values on an order of operation or motion. Sorting and organizing.
Consequences or plans work or don’t. Many steps together in the right order. Big problems requiring many steps at the same time is what intelligence is all about and what the tests are trying to evaluate. The small step or big step is a chunk and some people learn in big or small chunks at a time.
People can be cleaver in what they do or see how to get things done but that’s usually about specific situations where that particular pattern is seen to be super effective. Like in briar rabbit stories. (Thinking on ones feet) And is linear a to b.
I met a man yesterday that did not understand how to get his pin number for his food stamps card. He asked me to call the number so I did. I told him the amount on the card and that is was activated but I also told him I cannot get the pin number because that take an hour with a representative and we were in front of the store parking lot which was too loud. He said bye but I don’t think he understood. I told him to get the pin he needs to go to the SSI office that was 50 feet away but he said the number would come over the phone, but it was already activated and he said he didn’t understand phones? I did buy him a sandwich so he say how you are supposed to use the machine but I don’t know if he will remember?
Its like I said before, people can get SSI if they get the paperwork done but 5% don’t know how.
This guy did not understand how to use a food stamps card?
And if you look at the situation, most people (not this guy?) who use drugs have a mental illness that cannot be cured. If they don’t do the drug it’s worse for them even if the get in trouble with the law. The doctors cannot help them. A third of mental patients are borderline personality disorder, and by the neuroscience they don’t get much help without other diagnosis’s involved. Executive dysfunction is the primary reason for mental illness and I think is why you would not get help when brain scans have only been used in the medical field not local psychiatry offices. Each new med is an experiment and regular street drugs seem faster to the patient.
PP, I just had one of my really good ideas.
We would love to have a ratio scale for intelligence, right? I just found something that can, if not serve as the basis for such a scale, at least point us in that direction. From pages 274-275 of The g factor:
From what I see, Jensen provided no source for this information, but, “Arthur Jensen said it”, surely counts for something.
Assuming a typical classroom size of 20-25 and a student population which is representative of the overall intelligence distribution for their age, this means that someone with an IQ around 125 learns about five times as quickly as someone with an IQ around 75. You might well question those assumptions, though. Also, those IQs are age norms and you would have use different norms for each age group, which makes these estimations even rougher. But I think I could be on to something here.
But I think I could be on to something here.
I don’t. Because the students are not walking into the class knowing nothing. So when he says they learned five times as much, he means IQ 75 kids went from knowing 35% of math to 40% of math while the 125 IQ kids went from knowing 40% of math to 66% of math. So yes they learned five times faster when compared to where they started, but they learned only 1.66 times faster when compared to zero, just like their IQ difference: 125/75 = 1.66 .
What is your justification for these calculations?
If Alice and Bob were each racing a car on a 100-mile track, and Alice went from mile 35 to mile 40 in ten minutes while Bob went from mile 40 to mile 66 during this time, would you say that Bob’s car is traveling 1.66 as fast as Alice’s?
Also, why pick those specific proportions for how much math they have learned? I did not see Jensen specify any percentages for that. If you choose different percentages, the numbers work out differently.
densen was retarded.
sad.
Working Memory of 100 is 7
a true ratio IQ would be something like this:
WM rules = ((IQ – 65) / 5) ^ 2
an IQ of 145 can think about 16 things at the same time and this means that each thing is in relation to all the other things so 256 rules are involved.
256 interrelationships is a lot but it is on the order of size that level of information a person chunk at IQ 145 (visual and verbal chucking are not equivalent as the first is linear and the second is 3D)
I keep forgetting that Mugabe’s idea of communism is tax cuts for the rich and deepthroating Elon’s cock.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Foster
best songwriter of last 50 years, imo