| Self-made President | IQ (U.S. norms) | IQ (U.S. white norms) | Notes |
Richard Nixon | 154 | 154 | In 1991, Daniel Seligman wrote “Nixon biographer Roger Morris says RMN tested at 143 on the Otis test when he was in Fullerton High School in California. Nixon attended Fullerton circa 1928 and thus was tested around age 15. In a 1930 paper by P. Cattell, it’s noted that 108 on the Otis index of brightness equates to the 75th percentile, implying a standard deviation of about 12, which would make Nixon’s IQ a spectacular 154 on the now commonly used sigma 15 scale (white norms since tests in that era were normed only on whites). |
Barack Obama | 140 | 139 | Likely scored around 43.5 out of 48 on the 1980s LSAT which equates to an IQ of 148, but reportedly scored 128 on the childhood WISC IQ test (likely 124 after adjusting for norm inflation). A composite score of both tests would be around 140 (U.S. norms) |
| Average IQ of self-made Presidents (n = 2) | standard deviation |
| 147 (U.S. norms) | 10 (U.S. norms) |
| 147 (U.S. white norms) | 11 (U.S. white norms) |
| Legacy President | IQ (U.S. norms) | IQ (U.S. white norms) | Notes |
George W. Bush | 130 | 129 | National norm studies suggest that if all American 17-year-olds had taken the SAT in 1960 (not just the college bound elite) the mean and SD would have been 784 and 210 respectively, making Bush’s score of 1206, +2 SD or IQ 130 (U.S. norms) |
JFK | 125 | 124 | In 1991, Daniel Seligman wrote about how Kennedy biographer Thomas C. Reeves claimed JFK tested at 119 on the Otis test just before entering Choate Academy. JFK entered Choate around 1931 and thus was tested around age 14. In a 1930 paper by P. Cattell, it’s noted that 108 on the Otis index of brightness equates to the 75th percentile, implying a standard deviation of about 12, which would make JFK’s IQ 124 on the now commonly used sigma 15 scale (white norms since tests in that era were normed only on whites). |
| Average IQ of legacy Presidents n = 2 | standard deviation |
| 128 (U.S. norms) | 4 (U.S. norms) |
| 127 (U.S. white norms) | 4 (U.S. white noms) |
| Average IQ of all Presidents n = 4 | standard deviation |
| 137 (U.S. norms) | 13 (U.S. norms) |
| 137 (U.S. white norms) | 13 (U.S. white norms) |
Because sample sizes are tiny, only tentative conclusions can be drawn but based on publicly available data, the average IQ of self-made U.S. Presidents is an astonishing 147 suggesting only one in a thousand (white) Americans have an intellect this high. To come from nothing to become the most powerful person in America (and by extension the World) requires considerable intellect in most cases. This is similar to my earlier finding that the average IQ of all living people to hold the title “richest self-made American” is 151.
Whether measured by money or political power, it seems America is a meritocracy, at least when it comes to IQ. Ethics might be a different story.
To quote the late great Daniel Seligman. “people who are at the top in American life are probably there because they’re more intelligent than the rest of us.”
Given the 0.45 IQ correlation between fathers and sons, we’d expect the sons of self-made U.S. Presidents to be only 45% as far above the mean of 100 as their fathers were, and thus IQ 121. And so it’s not surprising that legacy Presidents average somewhat higher at 127 (white norms). This suggests that even among children born into obscenely rich and powerful families, there’s still some meritocracy, with the smarter ones being able to replicate the achievements of their self-made fathers and the less bright ones, squandering the family legacy.
Pumpkin Person 
Thank God Trump is giving tax breaks to rich people.
That’s the best way to drain the swamp and implement communism.
and you think rich people pay any taxes already haha
Afaik LSAT scores are very dependent upon training for the test.
unban the first comment about iq estimates and debate properly. If you think obama is 140 iq you are the dumbest person in history.
Obama…is about 130 at absolute max. More likely in the mid 120s. Ask marsha if you don’t believe me.
Lion thinks he’s close to 150
lion is a total loser. He thought america was bossing mother israel around
Lion has a 145 IQ, a six-figure income and actually went to law school so he knows how impressive it is for Obama to have graduated magna cum laude at perhaps the best law school in the world. The fact that he’s a huge zionist AND a HUGE HBDer means the Muslim adjacent black Obama had to be even more brilliant to get Lion’s praise.
Lion is a triple parenthical, his opinion does not matter on certain topics, much like a female.
He’s a HUGE HBDer who believes the black-white IQ gap is 100% genetic, so you can’t pull that card in this context.
EXCEPT WHEN TALKING ABOUT HIS PEOPLE
He reeks of loserdom in his posts. It’s something you see if you have social intelligence.
Then how did you see it?
it would literally sound like chinese to you if I described it…
No it would sound like a 14-year-old saying Lion’s a loser because he blogged about nerdy stuff like Dungeons and Dragons & Star Trek instead of picking up hot chicks. Grow up Pill. High school was over decades ago.
I have no doubt he’s pretty intelligent. I don’t see him as one of the most intelligent presidents ever though. I don’t know, besides being the first half-black president, and becoming president, what he has really accomplished. A lot of stuff may be said to work against him (born in Hawaii to immigrant father and raised by single mother and a visible minority) could be advantages in our PC culture, so that’s why I can’t really see him as that amazingly talented. I don’t see any good policymaking or gamechanging besides being a PC-poster boy reasonable black man. I guess he was a good rehearsed orator.
Perhaps if he is 150 IQ, he’s one of those intelligent people that somehow has IQ-testable intelligence at the expense of other accomplishments (while still being fairly accomplished). Or maybe I overrate what 150 IQ represents.
and the other post where you said that blacks have a fat tail on the right of the curve….
look into don’t want ti hear your religious beliefs. I want data or a non jewish study that actually supports this assertion. Are you basically saying this because you love Oprah?
Black Americans have a fat tail because they are basically three populations.
The blacks who are descended of mostly black slaves. 85% of black Americans
The blacks who are descended from the most educated 0.1% of Africa who are highly selected immigrants. Maybe 5% of black Americans
The blacks who are largely or almost entirely non-black genetically. 10% of black Americans
Each of these groups has their own bell curve but when you force them into one bell curve, the smartest members of the last 2 groups fatten the tails. I’m not saying this to praise Oprah because she comes from the largely unmixed slave ancestry majority black population, not the two higher IQ subsets
Lion argues Obama’s dad was one of the smartest men in Africa, a scrawny Marxist pre-affirmative action Harvard economist with glasses whose other half-white son was a physics major. On top of that, Obama’s white mother had a PhD.
ok just to debunk this. 90% of the African elites coming g tk the west to study are from corruption families and milliary elite families (ie corruption). They are not academic elites lol
Second the vast majority of mixed race men are from sheer poverty. The mudshark mother will literally sleep with anything moving. They’re not Nobel prize winning families. Obamas mother is an exception. Her parents were upper middle class. The fathers of mixed race men are basically non existent.
If I had to guess the average black iq is overstated by an SD.
In the U.S., 69% of sub-Saharan immigrants ages 25 and older in 2015 said they had at least some college experience.
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2018/04/24/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-in-the-u-s-are-often-more-educated-than-those-in-top-european-destinations/
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2018/04/24/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-in-the-u-s-are-often-more-educated-than-those-in-top-european-destinations/
In other words, the average African immigrant has maybe 14 years of education compared to probably around 8 years in their home countries. So they’re probably about 2 SD more educated than the average African.
wow. You still don’t get it. ‘Education’ in Africa is basically bought dumbass. Only the top 1% can afford it. And the top 1% of Africans are millitary/corrupt pols.
there’s no such thing as grammar schools or academic scholarships in Togo. Your knowledge of Africa is the worst I’ve ever seen. No wonder you love the blacks so much. You know nothing about it.
Even if their education is bought, they inherit high IQ genes from their rich parents. That’s why African university students average 72 to 84 compared to the general sub-Saharan mean of 70 (Lynn, 2018). Those who major in math and science average as high as 103.
Now do Asian immigrants. And your bell curve claim is mere speculation.
What do you think about my comment I made about the new bases for different curve numbers pumpkin. Did you see it?
When I did the math 157 not 147 is one in one thousand.
No 147 is one in 1,157 to be precise:
https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx
There is no way for there to be 76 billion people on the planet. As I said. The old distribution was based on 4.2 billion and Euler’s number. That is not the case today as we can make the curve more accurate.
That is what I extrapolated in my comment above.
Based on my math 147 is 1 in 134 which is still high and obviously Obama is smart.
I believe the confusion comes in that on the old curve Einstein is not one in 30 thousand but that 30 thousand people have his IQ level.
iq 100 has as a bell 27.1% the height as the total 4.2 billion.
iq 160 then has 0.027% of the total given its height on the curve.
We did not know this as the bell formula for modern IQ tests was designed in the1960s had not been designated to us previously.
Obama is about 125 listening to him talk about law and technical topics.
if you notice obama rarely if ever spoke off the cuff. He’s the opposite of trump. Everything was prepared days in advance by jewish speechwriters.
if you seriously think obama would get into harvard law without aa you are off your rocker.
If you read his book (which i have), he’s not more than 125.
Yes he had affirmative action, but he still needed high IQ to get top grades and rise up to be the most powerful man on the planet.
He’s obviously 140. Listen to his interview he was bullied into giving to Bill O’reilly. O’reilly thought he’d walk all over this affirmative action case and was shocked to discover how SMART and QUICK Obama was. Obama was able to calmly, cogently, and civilly answer all his questions off the cuff, rapidly adapting in real time as O’reilly constantly interrupted and heckled him. Only 0.5% of U.S. whites would have the considerable skills to ace such an interview.
they give blacks top grades to keep them from flunking out. Obama basically just had to write his name correctly. Harvard is run by jews and the express purpose of aa is to elevate blacks.
Grading at Harvard Law is blind. The professor does some discretion over the final grade iirc but only enough to increase it by one letter grade
anyways, of all the presidents you listed he may have the most integrity. Which is more important than iq.
lion is a loser because he’s deeply neurotic and has zero self confidence. If you can’t see that then you can’t see it.
there’s no scenario where i see this guy having successful friends and good looking women.
at least bruno is very arrogant even if hes a robot pretending to be a person. So bruno would be considered less of a loser but weird/retarded.
I’ve always pictured him being very timid in real life. I don’t know why I get that vibe from him because he can be quite aggressive on his blog. But I suspect deep down he has an inferiority complex because he was raised prole in Staten Island and doesn’t make as much money as many Jewish lawyers in Manhattan. Still, he probably makes more money than over 95% of Americans and probably could have a good looking woman if he were willing to settle for a prole.
But that in no way discredits his views on Obama’s IQ, a subject he’s quite qualified to opine on.
but he’s not qualified. He’s jewish. 80% of jews voted for obama. He’s basically talking his book.
If he was honest and took his love of magic negros out…Wed see him start talking about the bell curve.
Your low social IQ is causing you to confuse Lion with liberal Jews. Yes he regarded Lion as a genius, but as a Muslim-adjacent EVIL GENIUS who hates Israel. He defends Obama’s IQ because Lion also did great at law school and thus is personally invested in this being a good measure of IQ. He’s not an Obama supporter.
The fact you thought Africans were sending their academic elite to study here…that’s autism puppy. I’m sorry. But that’s autism. Yous don’t know how society works. How people think.
Dude you should really learn some basic fact checking skills before setting yourself up for complete humiliation:
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2018/04/24/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-in-the-u-s-are-often-more-educated-than-those-in-top-european-destinations/
Now to save face, Pill will say the polls were all faked by Jews.
I debunked this stat above. It’s a fake stat. Read above.
No you didn’t
It’s true, Dumbo. All “HBDers” need to do now is admit that for Asian Americans. But their house of cards would come tumbling down.
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/702896
the other day teffec mentioned pete buttigieg as an example of basically everything wrong with america.
I looked into his bio. His military service seems to have been a desk job.
I think it’s great he joined the army. But it may have been a pro move to get into consulting/ib via the veteran route.
Ive listened to pete talk a lot. I have no idea what his positions are or his beliefs or his views on any topic (outside of lgbt). He’s a bit like most dem pols like that. They basically don’t say anything.
That’s a sure sign of a puppet government. That the politicians don’t actually support or stand against anything. Every speech is filler or almost words in random order.
if you want to drive yourself totally mad listen to 3 hours of obama buttigieg and any dem politicians of the past 40 years talk.
Why don’t any of them look like average whites?
so the highest “pure IQ” president is also the only president who has resinged because the bell curve and charles murray n shit.
clown!
which one of these theories is true? which false?
answer: nixon had a good voice but despite that advantage it’s still obvious in interviews that, as milton friedman said, “in terms of pure IQ nixon is at the top”.
the top of post TR presidents. TR may’ve been smarter. and of course jefferson and madison and lincoln…
the US presidency has (in the past) actually been filled by some crazy smart pipo.
no longer.
sad.
John Quincy Adams had the highest estimated IQ among US presidents, according to Dean Simonton. Nixon was officially tested, though.
i’m never gonna have sex with you peepee.
sad.
Thank God
At this rate, he’s going to be a virgin forever.
said desperate atheist childless cat lady!
SAD!
just sad!
yes. i lied. i’ve never done a hapa. sad.
i found a picture of melo:
my HARD-CORE dem parents, mom and dad, both marveled at/remarked on nixon’s redonkulously high IQ on multiple occasions.
it’s not partisan.
dude was a freak. in a good way. a way so good he’s the only president to resign because bell curve and charles murray n shit.
SAD!
STILL WAITING FOR PEEPEE TO FIND HER FULL SCALE ETHNCIITY IN HER GRANDPARENTS’ HOUSE.
SAD!
If Nixon had an IQ of 154 that just shows how incredible density of intelligence conscentrated is possible at that level. Richard Feynman super smart was 139 as pumpkin saw the SD was not fully normal at 125
IQ is realitive so imagine the number of people that exist at Nixon’s level. He could have been a multi billionaire.
and obviously there is the “confirmation” of the nixon super high IQ thing in that nixon (supposedly) lacked anything which might be described as “social skills”.
pill: so he had AUTISM! aha!
mugabe: yeah right! the autistic POTUS. hahaha. it’s just par for the course. but steve sailer is actually autistic and a jew. SAD!
a better way of putting is: nixon was authentic. he had never learned not had to learn nor cared to learn how to be a phony.
Nixon seemed autistic because like a lot of super high IQ people, he was a bookworm who lacked the real world experience to learn common sense. But he was neurologically normal.
NIxon wasn’t autistic. He was a sociopath. He disliked most people. He was very unlikeable. Grouchy.
He was just a puppet for rockefeller. Wonder why rockefeller removed him and swapped in ford.
STILL WAITING!
this is especially true in nixon’s case because despite coming from one of america’s richest religious minorities and its first or second highest IQ religious minority he was poor. the quakers n shit.
STILL WAITING!
stillwaiting@stillwaiting.com
Oprah was part of a tiny group of outstanding high school students selected to meet Richard Nixon in the 1960s:
I have done more work on the curve in Excel.For 8 billion people to fit in the curve IQ 200 is 1 in 369 million.It is highly exaggerating to conclude it is 1 in 76 billion. Not that many people exist. This would result in negative IQ as well.
If Einstein was actually one in 30 thousand then he would have an IQ of 171 on a modern curve. But it is possible only 30 thousand people exist with his level of intelligence and in that case he would be IQ 168
I’ve finally realised why puppy is such a sucker for magic negros cult sermons.
his general knowledge is bottom 10%.
He literally knows absolutely nothing about how ‘education’ works around the world. Hahaha. Wow. He just transplanted his Canadian experience onto a total hellhole like Africa and seriously thought it works the same way.
puppy…have you ever left Canada? Serious question.
No you literally know nothing about how the bell curve works which is why you can’t believe even hybridized blacks can have genius IQ. You believe George Soros has an IQ of 170 which is 60 points above the Jewish mean of 110. Among crazy right-wing conspiracy theorists, Obama has replaced Soros as the #1 puppet master controlling everything behind the scenes, so if you think Soros is 60 points above the Jewish mean, why can’t Obama be 60 points above the mulatto mean of 90, which would give him an IQ of 150.
I don’t even go that far; I’m merely arguing he’s 140.
Just because Obama talks at a slower rate than trump don’t make him less intelligent. You can see by Obama’s phasic he is built. He is like any other man of his status and stature. Look how he moves. Ivey League material for sure. And above a prophesor in intellect.
You can tell when a person is intelligent. They have the perception. The keen awareness. An adult attitude / look.
My opinion is that he’s biologically adaptive. Macho. Not a wimp.
Most men like himself are intelligent because aesthetics don’t lie. The only way things could be different is familia retardation which is not the case. His masculine features are high quality. Thinks before speaking.
Another thought to add is that he is emotionally strong not weak. That is his aura. People can tell who aren’t biased towards the fawning of supposed power. Weak men show off in immature ways. Obama may be a little arrogant though because he is powerful.
If I put puppy into an Africans classroom or ‘college’ (lol), puppy would have a heart attack.
LOL.
Some dumbass just said the fox was the same as MSNBC.
My gf wants me to wear a ski mask, handcuff her to the bed and fuck her brains out.
White dudes aren’t masculine enough to pull that off.
I’m so happy my children are going to be high T and high IQ like me.
There is a Filipina woman whose made Spotify Playlists for me.
used to be uber sexy to me amanda peet her father was a quaker. but over time she looked more and more jewy. sad.
i first saw her in Igby Goes Down and got a yuge boner.
but then she married a jew. the same jew who is played by philip seymour hoffman (not a jew) in 25th Hour.
stop being anti-Semite
Let your pure-White blood override your Indian blood and you will see the light PP. There are two wolves inside you.
I’ve seen the light and the light says racism against any group is wrong.
Saying “anti-semite” is wrong though too. You’re playing into a false narrative!
the smallest barrier is the bosphorus and peepee claims that all europeans are turks.
turkish national football team vs greek:
VS
my dad had a greek client. so he paid with free dinner at his restaurant. there was dancing by a guy with a cod piece and they set cheese on fire. and my dad told me his client talked about turks like they were niggers. this client later went on to start a gay bar. he wasn’t gay. but that’s where the money was.
To me the term “turkroach” is hilarious mostly because I don’t live in Europe and Turkish people are neither particularly offensive to me, nor do I like them in any way. So in a way, that term suits them to me. They are just there serving their function (in good and bad ways) as a country between Asia and Europe.
Kebabs are good. Cenk Uygur being fat and loud is funny. Them making swarthy Southeast Europeans feel as if they are pureblooded Aryan ubermensch is also hilarious. Everyone has someone else to look down on. Kind of like the Indian vs. Pakistani thing LOADED used to have with all the Indian commenters.
I’m surprised having that perspective doesn’t make you less racist.
To me, the Pakistanis and Indians might as well be identical, but to Loaded they couldn’t be more different.
That’s why the whole thing is dumb to me.
It’s R-selected behavior.
I’m not “racist” though. It’s all in your head. I just observe statistics and understand what intelligence and civilization is (at least more than educated Marxists or average libs).
You are racist though.
You say and believe racist things. You’re not just simply pointing out statistical realities.
It’s like being a “monster”. It could be good, like being a monster at hitting whoppers on the ole’ baseball diamond. Or it could be a monster like the members of Al Qaeda killing all 2996 people and jews not being related to the attacks at all.
It’s so funny watching all the Gentiles here act like they don’t look identical to Jews.
It’s funny that you think being half-Filipino makes you black and you believe living like the successful version of the jewish Hollywood fantasy makes you cool. Dance for me, my little peabrained jungle Asian.
Excuse me Lurker, but my giant penis is what makes me black.
it’s funny watching the STILL NO MENTION OF GAZA.
and it’s true. i don’t know what “arbitrary” means in tagalog. LEARN ENGLISH!
melo personality: hahaha. i can’t speak english. hahaha.
mugabe: thanks jews. no wonder melo never mentions gaza. NEVER!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Netanyahu wasn’t trying to interfere with the 2024 election in favor of Trump.
The deep state wants him to win.
ok I see what the problem is with the curve. In a gaussian curve you don’t fit all the people. The tails always give you 0.1 person at the highest and lowest ends.
I believe this happened because they had limited computer power to calculate these numbers in the 1960’s – my computer is giving me odd results as well. 1 in 50 billion for IQ 200 even with 100% of people fitting the curve.
In chaos theory small differences can happen that lead to unexpected results. Scientific calculations usually have 32 and 64 decimal points of precision. And tools to adjust all variables until the correct results are found. My computer tells me 1.05 people have IQ 200 so it is not up to modern standards of scientific calculation.
Other than all that IQ 160 is 1 in 10,000
I need better tools to verify it though.
This is what I did for the bivariate of the 2006 SAT and ACT
To keep things standardized I used the gaussian form of the Bell curve. So where 3.8 million was IQ 100 – there are 800 or 900 students who scored 1600 on the SAT the same for ACT 36
This gives a gaussian IQ of 146
For the coefficients of my scores
1470 is (1/135) • 100
19 is (1/93) • 100
Co1 • Co2 = 0.687
0.687 • ((SAT population score 1470 + ACT population score 19)/2) = 39 thousand
39 thousand is IQ 121 where 3.8 million is the mean of the gaussian.
No WAIS regression required.
Centrism is so painfully stupid.
I thought all the pro Israeli dumbasses on reddit were bots, but no, they’re just right-center and left-center morons who didn’t learn their lesson from 9/11
Literally everyone is dumb, but me.
It sucks being so amazing.
tbh Asian-Americans and Asian-Canadians, specifically East-Asians are hella impressive to me because they’re not really selected for education. Like they’ll come in to start restaurants and small businesses and whatnot but their kids are out here mogging hard at school and uni. It kinda “proves” they’re high IQ in general, even without the selection.
Well there’s also Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Japan and Korea too, and many many Chinese cities.
outside of that I also wonder about mangaka aka manga writers and their IQs. I wonder what the average IQ is for a mangaka. Would it be at the Japanese mean or a bit higher?
I draw about as well as a dead blowfish. But yes visual novels take incredible creative intelligence.
3D intelligence is what they do. It’s advanced to make art on an individual scale. The best get to become put in top magazines as their skills exceed even CGI with there ink pens.
I can’t draw for shiii but seeing some stuff online it seems very trainable?? Like I’ve seen posts from people from day 1 to their progress like a year later and it’s world apart.
I think what’s more impressive beyond just pretty pictures which anyone can draw is the panelling which would take some skill, along with the box-by-box storytelling. Beyond verbal IQ, this could be spatial IQ too perhaps?? it is after a comic so it;s interesting.