Cro-magnons were the first truly human Europeans and have long been romanticized as the first truly modern humans, in part because of a Euro-centric bias, but also because they’re the people most associated with the Upper Paleolithic revolution and the replacement of the Neanderthals who had held our ancestors captive in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years.
They had wonderful lives, wandering through the forests of Europe as the seasons changed from summer to snowy winters, sleeping under the stars, exploring a vast uncharted terrain with a child-like awe of the unknown and rich mythology to explain it, vastly out-competing their only rivals the Neanderthals for food and shelter, and hunting so much mega fauna that they reached their full genetic potential for height and brain size, unlike the stunted malnourished people who would follow them once agriculture was invented. These were some of the happiest people to have ever lived and they did so in a true Garden of Eden, before tempted by the metaphoric apple into the “sin” that was agriculture. A “sin” we would pay dearly for.
But how intelligent were they? This is a tricky question because based on brain size, they appear a bit more intelligent than Europeans today, but based on polygenic education scores, they appear substantially less intelligent.
Brain size suggests Cro-Magnons had an IQ of 104
Over the 20th century, brain size, IQ and height in the developed World has increased thanks to advances in nutrition and reduction in disease allowing us to recover the genetic potential not realized since the Upper Paleolithic, before agriculture had stunted us (Lynn, 1990). Despite brain size in 21st century America reaching an impressive 1418 cm3, (Pumpkin Person, 2018) it’s still less than it was 40,000 years ago, when brain size peaked (mostly in Europe) at about 1487 cm3 (after correcting for preservation bias). So it seems the remaining 69 cm3, shortfall (0.76 SD) is a genetic loss.
But why did genetic potential for brain size decrease 0.76 SD? Perhaps in part because genetic height in Europe decreased 0.5 SD (Piffer & Kirkegaard, 2024) and polygenic height scores correlate 0.64 with height, and height correlates 0.4 with cranial capacity (Rushton, 1992), then this fact alone might explain (0.5 SD)(0.64)(0.4) = 0.13 SD of the brain size decrease, leaving 0.63 SD (57 cm3) not explained.
Perhaps the remaining shrinkage can be explained by a genetic drop in muscle mass that paralleled the drop in genetic height, but until ancient DNA studies explore SNPs associated with lean body mass, this remains speculation.
Given the 0.4 correlation between IQ and brain size (Jensen 1998)(Gignac & Bates, 2017), this would predict an IQ loss 0.4(0.63 SD) = 0.25 SD or 4 IQ points since the Upper Paleolithic, suggesting Cro-Magnon would have scored an impressive IQ 104 if raised in today’s America!
Genetic education predicts Cro-Magnon had an IQ of 89
Although brain size may have decreased in Europe by as much as 0.63 SD (after adjusting for body size), polygenic education scores (EA3 PGS) seem to have increased from what looks like -1.63 in Upper Paleolithic Europe type areas, to what looks like about -0.2 in Medieval England to about +0.2 in contemporary England (Piffer & Kirkegaard, 2024) for a total increase of about 1.83 SD since the Upper Paleolithic. Given a correlation of 0.4 between IQ and polygenic education scores (Pumpkin Person, 2024), this suggests a gain of 0.4(1.83 SD) = 0.73 SD since the Upper Paleolithic (11 IQ points), suggesting Cro-Magnon would have scored IQ 89 if raised in today’s America.
Indeed when I recently asked Peter Frost what their IQs would be if reared in today’s America, he guessed “high 80s”:
Combining brain size with genetic education predicts Cro-Magon had an IQ of 93
If brain size predicts Cro-Magnons have an IQ of 104 (if raised in today’s America) and genetic education level predicts an IQ of 89, and there’s no a priori reason to think one prediction is more valid than the other, then the only reasonable solution is to predict their IQs based on both variables.
The multiple regression equation predicting IQ from brain size and genetic education is:
Phenotypic IQ gap = 0.37(phenotypic brain size gap) + 0.37(genetic education gap) (Pumpkin Person, 2024).
When this formula was tested on the 15 point black-white IQ gap, it accounted for an incredible 13 of the 15 points! (Pumpkin Person, 2024).
Now applying it on the gap between today’s U.S. whites and Cro-Magnon man:
Phenotypic IQ gap = 0.37(+0.63 SD) + 0.37(-1.83 SD)
Phenotypic IQ gap = +0.23 SD – 0.68 SD
Phenotypic IQ gap = -0.45 SD
0.45 SD = 7 IQ points and is equivalent in SD units to a one inch increase in within sex height over 40,000 years. Kind of trivial. On a scale where today’s U.S. whites scores 100, Cro-Magnon would have scored IQ 93, consistent with the sophistication of their drawings; when I objectively scored these on the draw-a-man IQ test, they clocked in at IQ 90, though the sample size was tiny (n = 2).
Although some evidence suggests adaptive evolution increased ten thousand percent in the last 40,000 years (Hawks et al, 2007). Europe only gaining 7 IQ points in 40,000 years suggests evolution more or less ended in the stone age, consistent with the punctuated equilibrium model. This is consistent with the emergence of brain genes peaking 55,000 years ago (Libedinsky et al, 2023).
Richard Klein states:
What happened 40,000 or 50,000 years ago was the last major change in the genotype. At least the last major biological change. Evolution continues, but the evolution that’s involved in making us capable of wielding this vast variety of cultures–that probably stopped around 40,000 or 50,000 years ago and there’s been no essential change since.
Stephen Jay Gould agreed , famously stating:
There has been no biological change in humans in 40,000 or 50,000 years. Everything we call culture and civilization we’ve built with the same body and brain.
Pumpkin Person 
Now Mugabe will say the best judges come from Thailand who apply the letter of the law and don’t do it keep the peasents under the aristocracies boot. Just watch.
you want judges to be politicians.
WANT!
the gay marriage decision is a much better example than citizens united or bush v gore. (of judges being politicians)
america is an idea.
it’s never a reality.
deal with it.
When the vote is a partisan vote, it shows politics.
When the vote is across party lines, it shows some sort of common understanding of law.
Lol, judges are already politicians.
My manager is having trouble handling me. Her IQ is something like 115/120.
Her judgement on my work…its like getting Loaded to mark your homework.
She told me her favourite book was ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’. I almost burst out laughing at her. Its like saying your favourite book is The Secret.
That econ majors allegedly have the highest IQs in social science is totally damning and depressing. When I looked around the classroom and at my Chicago PHd professors, I’m going to be frank – these people are complete idiots.
In economics you literally get taught the opposite of reality in the textbook. Bruno said I was too dumb to understand Mankiw’s Cato Institute approved textbook. Hahaha.
If its even worse than that in other areas, god help us all. No wonder the jews cleaned house.
It makes me remember that study we did at the regulator where we found out 60% of the british public couldn’t read a bank statement.
The other day Puppy said if he polled 1000 people on their 3 favourite heroes, they could plausibly name 3000 seperate people.
If I said that in an interview for a polling job they would throw me out. But because puppy is AA, he gets a job for life.
I said in theory they could. Never once said or implied it was plausible. Not even close. Not sure why you keep lying & threatening to tell Marsha.
You used the word plausible
No. I said it was possible, but never believed it was at all plausible. And even if I had ever believed that, I’ve seen enough results of open-ended polls of this type to know that you never get anywhere close to the possible number of answers. For starters a big chunk of people have no answer, and among those who do, many give the same answer. And in fact you want that. If everyone gave different answers when asked to name their 3 heroes, you’d never get a winner because no single hero would get the plurality of mentions.
No Puppy it was even worse than that. You said all a hero needed to do was to be nominated by 5% or 10% of people because there would be so many different choices.
Not even Anime thinks that would happen.
The majority are going to name something stupid like a sportsman or the president straight off the bat. And maybe another chunk a family member and so on.
The fact you chose a poll where everyone named conservative icons like Billy Graham, President Bush and some Fox news people basically meant the poll was done in a nursing home. You couldn’t ‘read the tea leaves’ and instead just trotted out an insane theory that it only takes 5% of the population to name you to get into the top 10 names cos you thought the poll was a good poll.
No Puppy it was even worse than that. You said all a hero needed to do was to be nominated by 5% or 10% of people because there would be so many different choices.
That’s right. Typically in open-ended polls of this sort, whether asking people to name their heros, or their favorite movie, or their favorite book, any answer that gets mentioned by even 10% of the public will typically win the poll. The runner-up will maybe get 5%. And any answer given by at least 1% will typically make the top ten.
The majority are going to name something stupid like a sportsman or the president straight off the bat.
You’re correct that the president typically wins these polls, but he gets nowhere near the majority. The highest any man has ever got was 39% and that was George W. Bush who was considered an absolute God right after 9/11, to the point that anyone who said an unkind word about him was practically run out of the country.
The only person in U.S. history to ever win a poll like this with a majority of votes was Jacqueline Kennedy in 1963, right after her husband was shot and the country was in a state of hysteria . Aside from that it’s virtually impossible for any one person to be admired by the majority of Americans when they’re free to choose any person at all with no prompting.
The fact you chose a poll where everyone named conservative icons like Billy Graham, President Bush and some Fox news people basically meant the poll was done in a nursing home.
Welcome to America! The most conservative and religious country in the developed World.
And I showed poll results going back to around 2001 so a lot of the respondents would indeed be in a nursing home today but at the time reflected the general U.S. public. And as I said President Bush was elevated to God status in 2001 because of 9/11 which made him along with Powell (who also did well on the poll) the ideal puppets for the neocons to sell the Iraq War.
And Billy Graham has ranked as one of the 10 most admired people in America SIXTY-ONE YEARS IN A ROW!!!!!!!! Longer than any man in the history of U.S. polling. Graham being super admired is one of the most well validated and established facts in the history of polling. The fact that his name thus appeared makes the poll more credible not less!
It was clearly a nursing home sample. There wasn’t anyone in pop music or sport or entertainer. It was conservative icons loved by people with dementia. There were zero social media influencers. Zero reality stars. Zero crap like the Kardashians.
The fact you can’t see from the result what the quality of the sample was is just a poor reflection of your polling ability.
Oprah was the highest ranked female in 2001 & she’s an entertainer/influencer. But in general entertainers almost NEVER appear on polls of the most admired people. It’s counter-intuitive because you see the stadiums of screaming fans and think these people must be so popular, but the reality is , those screaming fans are only twelve years old and don’t show up on polls of adults.
Your problem is if something disagrees with your intuition, you assume it must be wrong. You never believe it’s possible that your intuition could be wrong so as a result you never learn. But history is full of all kinds of examples of human intuition being wrong & thank God Western culture had science & people rational enough to believe it. Otherwise we’d all still think the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around the Earth.
pill cannot figure out that this poll was done over decades not a single year – old people would not be the ones poll’d it be people who lived in each time period, meaning billy gram having been on top for several decades is not unreal, this poll was not done by pp so pill is dumb
It’s weird how dumb he is in some ways.. It’s like he can’t grasp the fact that a poll taken on regular Americans in 2001 will look like a poll done in a nursing home today, because normal aged adults in 2001 will be old told today. Even this level of complexity is enough to confuse him. And it’s pointless explaining it because 10 seconds later he’ll just forget and repeat his nonsense all over again.
Anime’s understanding of American culture is MUCH better than pill’s. It doesn’t surprise Anime that Billy Graham was worshiped for decades in America because Anime and his ancestors have lived in the heart of America for centuries and understands America in a way Pill never will.
Totally absurd and false. Any poll done today would have Taylor Swift in the top 10. Any poll with a good sample has entertainers in the top 10 period.
The reason the poll showed only conservative icons was because they were so lazy they literally went back to the same nursing home again and again. They know older people have time and the inclination to do these polls.
I agree about Taylor Swift but in general entertainers are NOT admired. When Gallup asked Americans in the late 1990s to say who they most admired in the 20th century, not a single entertainer made the list of 18 names:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/3367/mother-teresa-voted-american-people-most-admired-person-century.aspx
Gallup’s polling is all over the place. They keep saying 65% of americans want open borders. They released yet another poll this month saying that.
These people are hacks trying to influence public opinion not measure it.
1) Depends how the poll is worded
2) People sometimes lie in polls to not appear racist.
One way polls try to get at their true feelings is to ask “do you think most Americans support open borders?” . This often gives a more accurate reflection of what they think than asking them directly.
Anime, youre too young to remember. But even in the year 2000, those poll results belonged in a nursing home. Where was Tiger Woods? Where was Michael Jordan? I mean, at the time you could of credibly said Michael Jackson.
Most americans dont even know who their own VP is. If a list is showing only politicians….they aren’t sampling properly. They are going after people who will definitely stay 2 minutes with a pollster to answer questions which isn’t the same thing as the general public. Puppy doesn’t get this after 20 years in the industry. Thats just so embarrassing.
Where was Tiger Woods? Where was Michael Jordan?
Both men did actually make the list in 2001:
I mean, at the time you could of credibly said Michael Jackson.
But he was considered a freak so no one did.
Most americans dont even know who their own VP is.
Which is why VPs seldom made the top ten; the exception being Kamala Harris in 2020 because she was historic.
They are going after people who will definitely stay 2 minutes with a pollster to answer questions which isn’t the same thing as the general public.
All polls can only be done on people who are willing to talk to do the poll you moron. What do you suggest, we hold people at gun point and force them to answer?
Thats just so embarrassing.
Indeed!
Admired may be the wrong word pp, that list of people are revered by me not admired.
These people came to mind when I think of admiration.
It is off the bat (my state of mind currently) so do not think of it as exact.
Ray Kurzweil
Will Smith
Nikola Tesla
Robin Williams
I love Lucy
Dr Emmett Brown
Keanu Reeves
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Frank Sinatra
Elvis Presley
Steven Spielberg
George Lucas
Tom Cruise
Tom Hanks
my mother was 20 in 1977 – that is why billy graham was famous to her, a different erra (no internet)
Little House on the Prairie 1974 – 1983 Opening and Closing …
“Anime’s understanding of American culture is MUCH better than pill’s”
Because one is American and one LARPs as American.
Or the other day he said a caveman has the same IQ as a modern human. As if the brain never developed over 1m years or whatever it was. It reached Mugabe’s Secretariat limit as soon as it was formed, basically.
I’m dealing with morons here.
No what I said was that there hasn’t been much cognitive progress in the last 40,000 years. Surviving the ice age was the last major selection pressure on Gentile IQ.
But it wasn’t IQs have skyrocketed since.
I don’t think so because:
1) brain size peaked 40,000 years ago so unlikely that IQ skyrocketed while brain size stayed static
2) Native Americans split off from other humans about 15,000 years ago & their IQs are around 90. Unless you believe their IQs continued to go up after they split off, this suggests that Northern Eurasians had already reached IQ 90 by the Upper Paleolithic.
3) The subtlety and sophistication of their cave art showed they had IQs of at least 90.
They may seem dumb compared to us but keep in mind we’ve had 40,000 years to learn about our environment, each generation passing ideas to the next. They were starting from nothing.
^Science fiction
lol
Where’s Marsha. We need common sense here.
Well look, Mugabe believes literally in the bible. Nobody can top that. Not even RR. That is without doubt the most deranged thing you could say in a high IQ comment section.
You should give an IQ estimate of Terrence Howard
Gman great to hear from you! Yes he would make a fascinating case study.
Probably like 115 at most. Very open-minded and studious. Not at all careful with words and particular in thought. It’s basically a free-for-all inside his overly taxed wetware.
???? Am I missing something? That guy is not even a B movie actor.
But he thinks he’s a genius. He’s been all over Joe Rogan trying to prove that 1 multiplied by 1 does not equal 1 and there’s a conspiracy by financial elites to destroy him because he’s debunked the math on which the economy runs. Reminds me a bit of RR how he uses word games to debunk established facts.
When I was 8 years only I read a book that said the ration between the proton and electron was 1837 to 1 – Later when 11, I had a science book abou quarks and gluons being inside protons and neutrons. – I also read a book age 9 that told me what a light clock was, what a light cone was and that spacetime was made of a fabric of loops that stretch and this creates the problem of “singularities”. You can warp space to go back in time or travel long distances. It was an old book from the 80’s (no advanced string theory yet) – I had steven hawkings book a brief history of time when 12 but did not understand it.
Most stuff I know came from science books that were old and did not tell you basic things at your age level. Everything practically is out of date in the scientific sense because labs have all the scientists who would know the real stuff.
So there is no problem with what Terrence Howard. He just did not have science books as a kid or something. And those books he did have did not tell him what most people know in the labs.
Even now that I look up stuff online I cannot find damn shit on what atoms look like. It is all BS diagrams of unscientific shit. And definitely age/knowledge level inappropriate.
I am guessing that the education system will change though.
You will be able to interact in real time with the actual science.
PP have you watched The Walking Dead? Been binging it the last few weeks and I’m midway through season 6. Great stuff, really loving the story and character interactions.
No that show is way too prole for me. And it appeals to a racist audience. A white guy beat the shit out of a black guy on one of the first episodes.
I mean, there were a few scenes where there were racist things said (n-word), but the guy got what was coming to him in the end. You should at least watch until the end of the 1st season. The character interactions and relationships are great.
I’m “racist” and I think it basically just went downhill after season 2. Season 2 was peak. And after season 6 or so, I basically just give up. Negan is just some daddy-issue woman’s fantasy and a really stupid character.
Also weird how you think it is racist considering it has a black male white male coupling as the main characters. As well as a Asian male White Female one. You have no idea how bad diversity in media really is. It’s forced everywhere.
I liked season 2, probably better than the 1st. Woodbury was good and I liked that battle. I’ll let you know what I think of season 6 after I finish it.
The whole genre has been done to death. How many thousand rip-offs of George Romero’s classic NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD do we need before people get tired of zombie apocalypse fiction?
Seeing as this is my second zombie show—with Black Summer being my first—I don’t have any zombie fatigue. I’ll check NotLD soon.
Maybe the black guy was a zombie Puppy. Otherwise you are literally much more likely to see criticism of Israel than a tv show showing violence against Beloved Beloved.
Which is why it was so shocking and so obviously a pander to an alt-right audience.
Also RR, I didn’t realize as I didn’t fully read/comprehend your message that spoilers were given. Sorry about that. (That’s another reason I don’t watch most media nowadays, I really don’t want to worry/care about spoilers. Any less stress off my mind the better I feel)
“The whole genre has been done to death. How many thousand rip-offs of George Romero’s classic NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD do we need before people get tired of zombie apocalypse fiction?”
Well, The Walking Dead basically does itself to death after awhile, changing mostly superficially (at least for the main, all-encroaching themes of internal struggle of trusting vs. expedient in a post-apocalyptic world)
That’s probably just the genre though. That’s why I gave up. It was a good show all things considered for awhile though. Every once in awhile you need a good zombie story I guess.
Also there are spin-offs and stuff, so that’s even worse.
Lurker is right these tv shows these days are something out of a UN official photo from 50 years ago.
In the UK, the black population is 1%.
Every single show has a main black lead character. Even the ones set in the 1500s.
And Puppy is wrong about the US being majority conservative. Dems win the popular vote always. As in 8 elections in a row.
Nobody under age 30 knows who billy graham is.
Didn’t say majority conservative, but more conservative than other Western countries. I agree young people don’t know Graham but in 2001 there were still millions of old people who worshiped him so a poll of all U.S. adults from that time will reflect that.
the latest Due Dissidence makes the point that eating dog meat is equivalent to cannibalism for americans at least.
most americans will say they’d rather starve to death than eat dog meat.
more on the selection limit jive.
imagine what a superhuman would be. does any actual human correspond to that?
i claim that:
If we’ve hit a selection limit we’d expect heritability for IQ to be very low. Of course HBDers insist it’s not, instead arguing genes of small effect are hard to find.
It would be interesting to give chimps a broad cognitive test and do a GWAS on them.
If your selection limit theory is true, we’d expect to find far more cognitive genes in chimps than we find in humans since the former are presumably nowhere near a selection limit.
i always found physics redonkulously EASY!
sad.
First of all that website rr links to has malware on it. It is not a valid source of information.
rr: “Can we gain knowledge through thinking about concepts or only thought empirical endeavors?”
rr: “put another way, we can only gain knowledge through empiricism”
Once we go down this road we cannot tell who is right and who is wrong by totally ignoring the environment. You will never be able to know what it true and false in a debate because people conceptualize differently. Thinking in terms of language will result in people fighting over what the words mean like what is God and why is God real or not real.
Calling people names wont work because they can call you names in reverse. “You are the ignorant one, you are misinformed, my concepts are superior.” There is no proof who is right. All you do is appeal to authority (“these concepts are better than yours”).
You say God is not real and the body cannot effect psychology.
How do you make other people believe this who by default understand things differently than you do?
rr: “everyone could have the same potential and that it merely crystallizes differently due to differences in experience/upbringing (eg Vygotsky’s ZPD, MKO and his whole socio-historical theory of learning and development)”
Nikola Tesla could visualize things in his mind. That is how he made his inventions. He had greater cognitive control than most anyone else and simulated what he made in his head before he made them.
If everyone crystalizes differently but starts out with the same potential. Then how would you make a person who had superior cognitive control?
And if a person is already crystalized with cognitive control impairments is this permanent?
To my knowledge “crystallization” happens by a process of growth patterns that are not controllable from the outside.
Ed Witten naturally developed into high cognitive control where I did not.
Cognitive Control:
• Planning and strategizing: The ability to break down tasks into steps, consider future consequences, and formulate a course of action.
• Organizing and prioritizing: Effectively managing information, time, and resources to achieve goals.
• Selective attention and focus: The ability to concentrate on a specific task while filtering out distractions.
• Inhibition: Resisting impulses and urges to maintain focus and avoid making rash decisions.
• Working memory: Holding information in mind and using it to complete tasks or solve problems.
• Cognitive flexibility: Adapting strategies and thinking styles to changing situations.
• Self-monitoring and reflection: The ability to be aware of your thoughts, emotions, and actions, and to adjust them as needed.
Mugabe thinks a 5-4 conservative partisan decision on this case is a legit ‘good legal analyis’ decision to rig an election. Where in the fucking constitution does it say the courts can decide an election?
Mugabe will now say the courts didnt decide the election, they stopped the count because autism.
The dictator decision – partisan vote.
Citizens United – partisan
Roe v Wade repeal.
Repealing Chevron defence.
Banning the EPA to regulate carbon emissions (this one is particularly stupid and corrupt).
Throwing the election to Bush
These justices are literally on camera taking bribes from aristocrats. Mugabe still thinks all these rulings are great rulings LOL.
you sound like swank. and you literally can’t stop lying. i believe in original intent. zero of the justices believe in it. scalia didn’t believe in it. he advocated something called “original meaning”. your tiny (((irish))) brain can’t accept that someone can be extremely left wing on economic issues and have the most conservative jurisprudence at the same time. one of the greatest justices is reckoned a liberal, but his jurisprudence was extremely conservative. hugo black.
one reason why a 5-4 split doesn’t mean the decision is purely political is that cases that make it to the supreme court are likely to be difficult with lower courts disagreeing. the politics comes in when one interpretation is as good as another. both citizens united and bush v gore were reasonable opinions. they weren’t crazy. if they were nakedly political the opinions would make no sense.
you believe jews are the master race. here’s a famous jewish judge supporting bush v gore:
https://charlierose.com/videos/2178
my own father, a lawyer and life long democrat, came to believe bush v gore was the right decision.
Clown. These decisions are all conservative vs liberal decisions. how can they be genuine toss ups??? Youre a the most autistic person in human history if you thought these decisions weren’t political.
^^^PARANOID AUTISM^^^
they were political in that your side was the political, corrupt side. sad.
Why is Mugabe even here?
He disagrees with HBD. Disagrees that different people have different IQs. Thinks mental conditions don’t exist.
Mugabe should go over to RR’s blog. They can talk about intersectional sex with black transgender zebras.
Mugabe is right that Steve Sailer’s content has declined recently.
I think it’s primarily because he wants to sell more copies of his book and maximize his appeal to new audiences. He has been on a lot of podcasts and shows recently. He probably believes that if he softens his take on reality, he can make fans out of Tucker Carlson viewers and readers of Marginal Revolution, Overcoming Bias, Noah Smith, etc. This is annoying and not admirable, but understandable.
Unfortunately, I think he has also deluded himself into believing that he can win the support of “conservative” Jews by writing endlessly about DEI being Bad For The Jews. This is getting tiresome. It’s especially bad because he seldom writes anymore about genuinely important things that he used to cover, like the negative consequences of mass LEGAL immigration and Jewish influence in the media and academia. He still writes a lot about black crime, but who cares? Everyone who’s aware of him already knows the stats.
What Mugabe forgets though is that Sailer has a record of honestly discussing Jewish influence. This article from 2011 (which I’ve posted a zillion times over the years) states the issue very well: https://vdare.com/articles/jared-taylor-s-white-identity-what-s-in-it-for-jews
Funny because 94 percent of American Jews identify as white, and there’s no other race for them to be.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2023/08/09/ashkenazi-jews-are-white/
I agree, they are a specific subset of Whites that is they extremely liberal, relatively recent in semitic origins, relatively inbred amongst themselves, with a particular feature that they generally practice “dual citizenship” as both jews and Whites, with many recognizing themselves as being “White” and “not White” at the same time, a form of cognitive dissonance that can lead to great universalization of rights if the emphasis is on being “human” rather than a particular “race”, or to great manipulation of the outside group by utilizing a minority victim narrative on one hand and acting as a representative of the majority “White” population on the other.
So sure they are White. Good job, take your gold star.
Compared to Arabs, they are white. Compared to indigenous Europeans, they are Middle Eastern.
94% of jews identify as white WHEN there’s no other race for them to identify as.
WHY HAS THIS MONGOLOID NOT BEEN BANNED PEEPEE?
IT’S CRUEL TO HIM AND TO YOUR OTHER COMMENTERS.
What conditions exist for them to be another race that would also hold for other recognized races in America?
how many chromosomes do you have rr?
don’t lie!
I think Jews are white, too.
You can be white, yet still possess a strong Jewish identity. This is true of the vast majority of Jews.
It’s true for a number of other white ethnicities too.
“there’s no other race for them to be”
what about india
Satya Nadella looks white?
Indians are Asian
Indian skulls are Caucasoid – white? look nothing like Hun Chinese.
They’re South Asian. “East Asians” aren’t the only “Asians.”
I think you know even less about race than genes so it’d be a good point for you to stop talking.
India is right next to the middle east. So I can’t see how they are separate from white people? Your view that Indians with MENA are closer to East Asians (Japanese, Korean, Hun Chinese) than to Europeans phylogenetically as a race is weird since you view only 5 races exist?
Because of mountains, Indians are closer to MENA than South East Asians, Disney’s Raya and the Last Dragon shows what East Asians mixed with Indians look like, who are closer to Polynesians than MENA and they are related to Aboriginal Australians. MENA is near the steppes who made it to europe and india.
India is literally in South Asia and the OMB defined Indians as “Asian.”
West Asia is literally in Asia too, and North Africa is literally in Africa yet the OMB defines them both as white.
Not sure why you’re privileging (hey!) the OMB and continents when they’re only two pieces of support for the 5 race model.
The other two are Blumenbach & Rosenberg et al (2002) genetic clusters both of which would probably group South Asians with MENA and Europeans. Even the OMB grouped Indian Americans as “white” as recently as the 1970s:
As David E. Bernstein explains in the book Classified, The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America, by the early 1970s most federal agencies identified Indian Americans as part of the white group, partly because they were deemed to be a “successful” immigrant group not in need of minority status. When the Office of Management and Budget announced proposed official racial classifications in 1976, Asian Indians were put into the white category. However, a small Indian American group based in New York City got wind of this, and successfully lobbied the government to put South Asians into the Asian American/Pacific Islander classification. Not all Indian Americans agreed with this change, but no other organized group found out about it until the classification was final and official.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_classification_of_Indian_Americans
Categorizations changing over time isn’t the flex you think it is. Asians and PIs were grouped together in the 70s (1977) and now they’re not. The thing is, we have a racial theory for our racetalk in America. Like with Jews, I say this all the time—I’m a radical pluralist about race so I’m open to the idea that they could be a race (that is, there could be a specific theory for a specific area with specific conditions that make them a race while ensuring that other races are races) but they need specific conditions to hold that make them a race while ensuring the other races in the current racetalk are races too. Are Hispanics/Latinos a race?
And yea I know that OMB/continents are two pieces of support for a five race model, and of course the theories of race that I push use clustering analyses (since race is a social construct of a biological reality). The main pusher of the OMB/Blumenbachian race theory (Quayshawn Spencer) also states that Indians are Asian. (And “Asian” isn’t an ethnicity.)
“relatively recent in semitic origins”
Yea, and something like 80 percent of their maternal DNA is South Italian, with their paternal DNA being MENA, implying Semitic men mating with South Italian (at the time, Roman) women, which is where their “Aquiline nose” (also known as a Roman nose) comes from.
“relatively inbred amongst themselves”
True, the same as Icelandic people, who—if I remember right—have an average relatedness to that of third cousins.
“take your gold star”
Is it a Jewish star?
I don’t understand,
does rr think jewish noises are not genetic?
because he denied genes do stuff several times.
so how can they “the Roman nose” exist?
self regulation is what genes do
Saying “X is genetic” is reductionist. Genes “do things” by and for the developmental system, they’re necessary for the ontogeny of traits but not sufficient.
I’m done having that conversation with you.
except it’s north italian.
It’s true for a number of other white ethnicities too.
uh no.
So jewish noses have nothing to do with genes?
fine, that’s your view, just speak plain english
I am just curiouse,
what is a roman nose?
what causes jewish people to have it if not genes?
rr will not explain.
maybe it is like red hair,
but a gene is required for that
so I do not understand where rr is going with this?
Are there genes “for” noses and hair color? Don’t answer, I already know what you think about it.
“Bu-but I’m not a reeuforhist hereditarian that’s just a slur you made!”
Still doesn’t understand the causal parity/biological relativity argument. Do me a favor and don’t @ me until you do.
What “causes” hair color? Red hair as example? My hair was blond at age 12 – now it is light brown. – And – What “causes” shapes of noses?
Multiple interacting irreducible causes.
“Bu-but I’m not a reductionist, as I talk about hair genes, nose genes, not liking bitter taste genes and other genes for traits.” Even though that’s nonsense. (Cue: No response.)
https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/wcs.1400
Also
Believing in Heredity not equal Hereditarianism
That is definitlly a stupid slur.
plus,
organisms do not inherit everything (all traits)
organisms evolve
the become different over time
serious question to rr:
Why do glow in the dark monkeys,
glow in the dark?
They say it was because of implanted jellyfish genes,
this is not true?
What is the “cause”?
If genes/DNA sequences are privileged causes in biological systems, then gene expression and resulting phenotypic traits should be determined by genetic information. If gene expression and phenotypic traits are determined by genetic information, then these traits should not be significantly influenced by non-genetic factors like cellular context, regulatory networks, and environmental conditions. But gene expression and phenotypic traits are significantly influenced by non-genetic factors like cellular context, regulatory networks and environmental conditions. So genes/DNA sequences aren’t privileged causes in biological systems. “I-I’m not a reductionist!” all the while making reductionist claims. Serious question to AK: When will you address the Baverstock/Noble/Richardson argument on genes?
RR, pill insists you’re too dumb to have scored so high on my general knowledge test and must have cheated.
Would you be willing to take another general knowledge test on zoom so I could see in real time that you’re not googling the answers?
I’ll send you an email when I have some time and set something up. Remind me periodically if you remember since this isn’t a priority for me. (Who cares what that LARPing Irishman thinks?) I’m obviously not dumb.
Sounds good.
I said that regulation was important.
Where have I ever said genes are privileged?
You make shit up rr.
Try again.
You rr said you don’t believe in feedback loops.
What more is there to say?
A Variational Synthesis of Evolutionary and Developmental Dynamics
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/25/7/964
I dare you to quote me saying that. Go ahead. Don’t cower away from that claim—back it up with evidence (I know that’s hard for you).
RR: “feedback loops, your favorite word”
yeah, you fucking misrepresent me often.
I havent read Sailer in about a year. But it did get tiresome just reading about the barabric behaviours of blacks even for me.
Nonetheless Sailer opened my mind to a lot of issues. My hunch is that hes been asked by ashkenazim elites to tone it down. He never criticises this ridiculous Ukraine war the neocons pushed.
Did you know Biden is in a political crisis right now? I wonder if there is any reason that all these mainstream media outlets want me to know this… (Yes, sensationalism and negativity captures attention, but that doesn’t mean the specifics of the negativity isn’t biased to some powerful group’s particular ends.)
pill has autism.
he can listen to this and if he doesn’t have autism he will recognize that it was the 4 in citizens united who were acting as corrupt politicians, not the 5.
freedom of speech is a concept impossible for most of the world to unnuhstan. that includes (((irish pipo))). sad.
for non-autsists, suiter’s analysis is plainly gay and retarded.
I agree with you on policy grounds. Congress OUGHT to make no law abridging organizations’ rights to engage in political activism.
But I’m not convinced the 1A was originally intended to prevent laws like BCRA. How else could the Alien and Sedition Acts have been enacted so soon after the Bill of Rights was ratified?
pill wore a t-shirt saying “no blood for oil” prior to the iraq war.
the iraq war was evil. bush is a war criminal. BUT oil is totally worth fighting for you autist!
Do you believe the Iraq War was about oil, Mug of Pee?
you tell me peepee-tard.
Mugabe thinks the Iraq war was because the government was following the law.
you and peepee want me to say it was for israel. but was iraq a threat to israel? no. it didn’t even have WMDs. it hasn’t been annexed to israel. i think oil was a way to sell it as cheap. “the war will pay for itself.” but the ultimate reason, and unknown known, was domestic politics. after the first iraq war bush sr had the highest approval rating any president has ever had then lost re-election because perot and economy. if the perps believed it would be a cakewalk they saw it as a way to increase the GOP’s seats in congress and stimulate the economy. the (((neocons))) had their own motivations, but israel’s safety is a stupid motivation. iraq wasn’t a threat. there were many reasons. iraq’s oil made it easier to sell.
cue to 50s.
it didn’t even have WMDs.
But many people thought it did or at least would have soon.
it hasn’t been annexed to israel.
Of course not; that would have given away the motive and that’s the last thing the Israel lobby would have wanted once it became so unpopular.
the (((neocons))) had their own motivations,
And the neocons were the only ones pushing for it before 9/11. Everyone else jumped on the bandwagon later. Even Cheney originally opposed it:
but israel’s safety is a stupid motivation. iraq wasn’t a threat.
Neither is Palestine but that hasn’t stopped them from bombing it back to the stone age and even in the face of international backlash. Saddam was one of the most powerful anti-zionists in the World and he had been funding Palestinian suicide bombers and had fired 42 scud missiles at Israel in 1991. They saw him as another Hitler. Why wouldn’t they jump at the chance to take him out if they could get the U.S. to take the blame & pay the price?
and the neocons’ motivation is also not specifically about israel. what does the ukraine war have to do with israel? it’s just ethnic. the neocons want the whole world ruled by the US which is itself ruled by them. then they can be assured of “never again”.
and i think some people were actually worried about WMD in the hands of terrorists.
but peepee and pill think 9-11 was done by israel. so that the US would invade iraq? that seems like a dumb theory.
and the neocons’ motivation is also not specifically about israel.
Yeah it is
what does the ukraine war have to do with israel?
No one said the neocons are behind every war (well maybe pill thinks that). But if they are behind Ukraine, maybe it’s because when the World realizes Ukraine has lost badly, it will have a devastating effect on NATO which will have a negative impact on Israel because NATO is the leverage by which the the Israel lobby (via the U.S.) gets Europe to support Israel.
and i think some people were actually worried about WMD in the hands of terrorists.
Palestinian terrorists is what they were worried about
but peepee and pill think 9-11 was done by israel. so that the US would invade iraq? that seems like a dumb theory.
There’s some evidence that Israel had prior knowledge (dancing Israelis) but I now agree we can’t assume anymore than that.
another OBVIOUS motive was meeting violence with violence. but because al qaeda was such a small group, killing them wasn’t enough, even if they could be killed. so then vengeance required killing innocent pipo.
Mugabe. Seriously.
Over the past month my impression of his IQ score and basic common sense is in total freefall.
Ukraine is because Putin interevened in Syria.
Iraq shot missiles at Israel several times.
Yes, usa could not control saddam and bush was mad at him. usa wants all control.
pill has AIDS. the neocons hate putin because he was mean to so many (((oligarchs))). and thus they can’t control russia.
the one good thing about unipolarity is it prevents nuclear war.
total american control prevents another holocaust when the danes control americastan. israel doesn’t.
the one good thing about unipolarity is it prevents nuclear war.
Excellent point. I was trying to explain this to some arrogant male relatives who think they have IQs because one of them has money, but they didn’t get it. They believe power should be localized because there’s no such thing as a benevolent dictator.
plus the danes hate eastern europeans in general because mean to their ancestors.
Heh pp,
I did that thing pill suggested to mug.
You know, the cereal box IQ test.
I actually got a high score.
And it was confirmed three times!
Law school here I come.
Advertisement was bad before billionaires got to spend money.
So I do not see what the deal is, money talks.
No one watch’s tv anymore anyway.
Youtube is all what young people watch anyway. pill is old and “british”.
Google says:
In the 1980s, the Reagan administration deregulated children’s television, which allowed for the creation of TV shows based on existing products, essentially turning them into long-form toy commercials. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) also dropped a ban on toy ads on television that had been in place since 1969. However, in 1980, the FTC Act was amended to prevent the FTC from issuing rules about children’s advertising based on the claim that it was unfair or deceptive. Instead, the FTC could only declare an act or practice unlawful if it caused substantial injury to consumers that couldn’t be avoided and wasn’t offset by benefits to consumers or competition.
I do genuinely believe RR is the lowest IQ commentator. Worse than Loaded. Loaded has a degree in finance so he can do basic math. I’m not sure RR wants to go near anything with hard logic instead of ‘fuzzy logic’.
95% of what RR says is false. Even on basic basic facts like high school science and how to read a census or a spreadsheet. Really basic stuff.
This guy can’t even talk properly and <b>[redacted by pp, 2024-07-06]</b>
As much as I think Mugabe has clown like opinions, and indeed believes in 80% of RR’s beliefs, he see some sort of higher level thinking in his reasoning even if hes wrong. With RR, I don’t see the reasoning. And hes wrong. And he won’t accept it for ideological reasons due to his worship of blacks. You should ban him. Hes a troll.
It seems the only other person that has ever made accurate judgement about other people on this comment section was the genius Marsha.
“I do genuinely believe RR is the lowest IQ commentator.”
So you should stop talking to me/at me/about me. Even if what you’re saying is true…. Who gives a shit?
“95% of what RR says is false”
Haha remember the other day when you said the same thing and still haven’t responded? Come on, champ, where’s the response?
https://pumpkinperson.com/2024/06/20/big-brained-but-with-low-education-genes-how-smart-were-cro-magnons/comment-page-2/#comment-249379
<b>[redacted by pp, 2024-07-06]</b>
Even if what you’re saying is true…. Who gives a shit?
Hahahahahaha lowest IQ comment in the history of the blog.
Hahahahahaha no answer as I expected.
Your own quotes were you rejected high school biology and 99% of modern medicial understanding.
Haha of course, low general knowledge so you can’t discuss any of those points with me.
This secretariat theory is evidence that Mugabe has better general knowledge than RR.
But his reasoning around it is contorted and just not proportionate. Like Puppy says, you took an extreme version of selective breeding and now copy and paste it onto humans? Have you read a history book? At what point in human history was a mass eugenics programme ever even proposed?
I don’t even agree with Puppy that IQ went down from cavemen. I believe it went up. Mugabe thinks we hit the limit 2 weeks after we invented fire.
You think people like RR and Loaded would still exist if we had already hit the outer bound? The evidence to disprove your theory is just looking at a comment section of a random newspaper.
I think Mugabe rejects HBD for the same reason as Loaded but he dresses it up in more advanced arguments.
Basically….
Beloved Beloved.
Mugabe got jedi mind controlled into loving Beloved like RR and can’t accept that blacks aren’t exactly a good thing for civilisation. A great thing for porn and penis size…nobody from NASA or CERN is going to send recruiters to Africa.
Remember goyim, all arguments are ultimately ad hominem.
LOL! I never said IQ went down from cavemen. I said it went up a bit, while you claim it skyrocketed.
You said about 50 times it went down. You genuinely believe a caveman raised by jews would outscore most modern humans.
You know in many ways you, RR, and Mugabe all have the same fundamental problem when talking about science.
You 3 are…all I will say: beloved beloved.
You will never see the truth of the world if you keep going to BLM rallies.
I never said it went down. You’re just a careless reader and/or lack reading comprehension and /or you have a bad memory.
And btw Pill, your theory about Trump that you’re not allowed to say is autistic & will never happen. Because of social media & how paranoid it’s made everyone, you’d have non-stop conspiracy theories all over Twitter & YouTube for years.
Do you want me to keep copy and pasting your prior comments? I find it really tedious.
Please do.
That you can’t comprehend why someone would reject HBD shows low general knowledge on your part. I think you have the lowest IQ in the comment section. By the way, dumbass, it’s generally understood that natural selection decreases genetic variation in a trait, so even allowing some false assumptions, we would expect the genetic variation in IQ between races to be low/nonexistent (Kevin Mitchell made the same argument in 2018.) You have low evolutionary knowledge so I wouldn’t expect you to understand that.
Oprah’s movie Beloved?
Yes. Oprah is basically the gound zero of magic negro syndrome.
You could argue Oprah and her degenerate career is basically the test case of all AA in all industries- including Obama becoming president.
If that’s true it shows her utter genius that she became the first magic negro, and thus the most successful of them all.
As Jordan Peterson says, one reason smart people end up on top is if you can think and learn fast, you get there first because life is basically one big race.
But the reality is the Obamas benefited WAY more from affirmative action than Oprah did.
The reason is no one watches a TV show every day to virtue signal (it actually has to be good), but MILLIONS will vote once to say “I voted for the first black president”
Even Oprah herself endorsed the Obamas so she could virtue signal that she elected the first black president.
The only real affirmative action Oprah was the same kind Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods & Michael Jackson got. If you’re successful and black people are more likely to worship you because black icons were so rare.
“Brain size suggests Cro-Magnons had an IQ of 104“
So more than 85% of modern humans according to Puppy. Literally it took me 7 seconds to find this. And you still think you didn’t say it.
You didn’t read the rest:
If brain size predicts Cro-Magnons have an IQ of 104 (if raised in today’s America) and genetic education level predicts an IQ of 89, and there’s no a priori reason to think one prediction is more valid than the other, then the only reasonable solution is to predict their IQs based on both variables…
…On a scale where today’s U.S. whites scores 100, Cro-Magnon would have scored IQ 93, consistent with the sophistication of their drawings
You have said about 40 times you believe in the brain size method and that IQs went down only recovering in very modern times.
“there’s no a priori reason to think one prediction is more valid than the other“
One is a method from 200 years ago. One is method that is modern?
Although brain size is a poor proxy for INDIVIDUAL IQ, it’s an excellent proxy for the IQ of a group. But so is genetic education & in the case of Cro-magnon, they were high on one but very low on the other so our best guess is they were somewhat low.
equal potential as far as genes go != whatever trait is possible to change
Obama says nothing in every speech.
If you sit through a 60 minute Obama speech and try to summarise at least 3 key insights or where he stands on a controversial issue you might as well read Arabic or try to invent a time machine.
He doesn’t want to say anything because the second he does he’ll lose support. Much smarter to be a blank slate and let people project what they want on to you.
You know the media keeps saying Obama is a great orator and very charismatic lol.
When will the people wake up and smell the bullshit on that one?
He might be one of the worst public speakers.
Obama’s a great reading a teleprompter but he’s not entertaining or interesting off the cuff. He could never have been a talk show host.
an actual crazy smart southern italian != rr.
Mugabe is truly in the gutter. When he said JFk really was killed by a lone gunman…I shoudl have known then that Mugabe is arguably less informed than the man on the street.
Wow.
How can someone have a degree in math and be dumber and more ignorant than the man on the street. Its almost impossible.
Mugabe doesn’t even think jews control the media Puppy…hahaha this fucking retarded clown person trolls all these peoples blogs and hes wrong on everything. Even his religion is laughed at by room temperature IQ people.
you are a pathetic dingleberry.
mugabe: why do some pipo want iran to have no nukes?
pill: because israel. otherwise they’d tell the israelis to DISARM.
mugabe: yes but is there more than one reason?
pill: islamophobia. trans-gentiles are gentiles. a corrupt SCOTUS is a good SCOTUS as long as it rules the way i want it.
mugabe: sad. there can be more than one reason. nuclear proliferation is a thing and it’s dangerous. if the US had its way, france and the uk wouldn’t have nukes.
pill: shut up racist!
If it weren’t for the Israel lobby, the relationship between the U.S. and Iran would be a hundred times better.
this fucking retarded clown person trolls all these peoples blogs and hes wrong on everything. Even his religion is laughed at by room temperature IQ people.
have you ever considered this is how i entertain myself in my cups? if you weren’t autistic you would have. sad.
https://imgur.com/a/98YobcJ
how does pill explain the polgar sisters?
peepee: if you went back in time and gave them an IQ test they’d score 108 on average because muh genes and muh IQ n shit.
pill: no. they’d score retarded because muh genes and muh IQ n shit.
mugabe: no. dumbasses. they’d score retarded. but because muh culture n shit.
densen n flushton = sad.
Cro-magnon did take a culture fair IQ test on the walls of their caves. It’s called the Draw-a-man IQ test. And they scored 90, exactly as whites today with their big brain but low education genes would have scored.
“It’s called the Draw-a-man IQ test.”
my sister is IQ 92 and draws photorealistic animals
I score 79
yet my (g) is 130 or so?
FSIQ 110
Did you ever draw a full body picture of a human as a child? And do you still have it?
In 7th grade we did a drawing assignment against drugs.
This is what I drew age 13
Very interesting. The skeleton is pretty good. Now did you ever write anything as a child? A story, a letter, an essay?
age 9 or 10
age 8 or 9
age 8 or 9
peepee: the average IQ of wypipoo is 90.
mugabe: but you said it was 100.
peepee: but i’m an anti-white racist.
mugabe: sad.
pp would not tell me what my profile ment but I figured it out myself.
FSIQ is 110 but (g) is about 130
Because working memory is low and processing speed is low.
And spatial is high and verbal is high
This means (“Autisms”) yet not in the way pill thinks.
Pill believes if you like drugs and go to parties you have schizophrenia.
schiz is what you have when you have persistent ideas about reality which are untrue and cannot be persuaded to change.
for some reason pill cannot do logic and mistakes 90% of what pp says for his own biases as false. he is not full blown schiz just personality disordered. so cannot use logic in a way that is against what he wants to be true. it is a (“meta-cognitive deficit”)
Specifically I have trouble seeing stuff, pill has trouble logicing stuff.
My sister told me she saw a bird only once and could draw it latter.
But she cannot do maths. She has ADD.
That don’t make her schiz.
I have good theory of mind, I am not autistic in that way.
My problem is putting things together in real time.
Adding numbers together in my head is hard.
Looking for food items on the grocery shelf is hard.
Fast video games is hard.
This is the true dichotomy:
Central coherence < Cognitive control
pill is opposite
so poor vision can affect social cognition but not as much as pill thinks
people can be balanced in both
again pill thinks pp is wrong
but pill is biased 90% of the time
regardless
doing drugs not equal schiz
that’s dopamine related
schiz = delusions
Ignoring proteins is ignorant.
Basically the feedback loops drive development.
Differences in protein shapes matter to dynamic systems.
The only way to discount this is by political moves to discredit people who share this information as racist. (Ad Hominems and Strawman)
“Ad Hominem Fallacy Attacking the character, motive, or other attributes of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself. Straw Man Fallacy Misrepresenting someone’s argument to make it easier to attack or refute.”
Are you high man? Go ahead and point out the fallacy, quote me making it. (Just like the other request, you won’t do it. You can only make claims without backing them.)
I believe proteins are involved in organisms functioning.
you call that hereditarianism i.e. racism
but will deflect as always
I asked rr once why beards have the shapes they do.
He said beards do not exist and are just so stories.
Jews have “Roman” noses but rr won’t explain why?
I guess they are just so stories just like beard shapes?
Ever heard of “rampant adaptationism”? You’ll just cry that I’m calling you names and political opponents and blah blah blah.
you are dishonest
rr keeps mentioning interactions.
But what exactly is interacting if not the shapes of proteins with the materials in the cell?
Why would this not effect growth patterns chemically?
I am tired of all the ignorance. 😦
Developmental products are interacting. You’ve had like 6 months to read those papers, read my arguments, and understand my explanations. But you refuse to. Probably because you’re too ignorant to do so. “Sad.”
you are on a moral crusade
so there you go again
Defeating your political enemies is hard to do when all you can do is call others names and misrepresent people who are not part of those groups.
why bother doing science if people are not allowed to have opinions anymore.
why bother when people like rr are politically motivated to harm innocent people.
“why bother when people like rr are politically motivated to harm innocent people.”
Yea, you’re high.
You fixate on me daily. Just like TP, you talk about me and at me in new comment threads. Something you two have in common. Interesting…
All I believe is that protein shapes matter and the body is important to psychology.
some reason this makes me your political enemy?
calling me high is disingenuous
All race realist has to do is stop calling me a hereditarian (because it is not true) and stop commenting every time I post.
Why is he fixated on me having to refute everything he says?
because I reject his political view that intelligence does not exist.
he is obsessed with debunking intelligence.
political motives suck
Does RR even know what I am saying?
Basically he sees me as against his religion for believing in protein shapes and because I believe intelligence has something to do with the body.
He is a fanatic and condemns all things not in his hatred of his former religion.
He must believe I am his enemy because… religion.
This is so wrong.
“RR: “feedback loops, your favorite word”
yeah, you fucking misrepresent me often.”
How’s that identical to the claim that I “don’t believe in feedback loops”? Did you read the Noble/Baverstock/Richardson articles yet? Did you understand my argument and my explanations for the premises?
“proteins are involved in an organism’s functioning”
I don’t deny that. Do you understand biological relativity/the causal parity thesis yet?
“You call that hereditarianism”
Whats the distinction I made between the two types of hereditarianism?
“You are on a moral crusade”
That doesn’t address what I said.
“protein shapes matter”
Matter to what? Do you have a reference for this claim yet? Wikipedia articles on understand basic biology don’t count. Do you understand burden of proof?
“because I reject his political view that intelligence does not exist.”
Did you forget my qualitative definition? Did you forget that Gottfredson’s definition is incoherent and Jensen’s is an unfalsifiable tautology?
“he is obsessed with debunking intelligence.”
The hereditarian conception is debunked by each new GWAS that doesn’t show heritability as high as what is observed in twin studies. Did you think of evidence for your hidden premise yet?
You can just marshal the evidence that I’m asking for—should be easy for you, right?
it is very simple
chemical reaction rates will change when the shape of the protein is different.
this means growth patterns change with differences in the proteins shape
without understanding this you just cannot understand what my position is
Because you cannot understand I will put it this way:
proteins are chemicals
so having different proteins in an organism is like putting different chemicals in the organism
since you don’t deny anymore that feedback loops exist
then you must admit that chemically different proteins will change the looping of the reactions in the organism.
If chemically different proteins changed the feedback loops of reactions in an organism in a simple, predictable manner, then we would observe straightforward predictable changes in an organism’s biochemical pathways and functions. But we don’t observe straightforward and predictable changes in an organism’s biochemical pathways and functions. So chemically different proteins do not change the feedback loops of reactions in an organism in a simple, predictable manner.
Do different people inherit genes that cause “good” or “bad” things to happen to their traits? Genes, again, are mere passive—not active—causes.
I’ll be here when you can actually address what I previously wrote.
“since you don’t deny anymore that feedback loops exist”
Go ahead and quote me saying that. Do you understand DST/EES theories or not? Where’s the empirical evidence I’m looking for, especially for your hidden premise? PREDICTION: You won’t answer.
rr: “chemically different proteins do not change the feedback loops of reactions in an organism in a simple, predictable manner.”
they change things in a complex manner, yes
because interactions are complex
no two humans are exactly the same
we are all made of totally different chemical reactions
these reactions are probabilistic in what they do
homeostasis requires the loops to do stuff complexly
Prove it.
Prove that proteins as chemicals have different effects?
ok:
Blood types, also known as blood groups, are determined by the presence or absence of proteins called antigens on the surface of red blood cells. The ABO blood typing system is the most common method for grouping blood, and it’s based on the type of glycoprotein (protein with carbohydrates attached) found on red blood cells:
Blood types are also determined by the presence or absence of the Rh factor, another inherited protein:
Blood types are inherited from parents, and there are more than 600 known antigens that can create rare blood types. Some blood types are also unique to certain ethnic or racial groups.
Blood types are genetic characteristics that help determine which blood types a person can safely receive in a transfusion. For example, if someone with type B blood receives type A blood, their anti-A antibodies will attack the type A cells, which can be life-threatening. This is why careful blood typing and cross-matching are important for safe blood transfusions.
Blood types can also be important for other reasons, such as:
My guy, that doesn’t prove your ultimate claim. But you have a middle school knowledge of biology so that’s to be expected. (Didn’t address the other things in my previous comment too, of course.)
I think Melo exaggerated, but Biden/Rubin has done an ok job. Not great and maybe would have been better without Manchin and Sinema taking bribes to kill laws.
He is definitely better than Trump or Bush or Reagan on policy. He needs to literally just tell his wife to run for office if he wants to hold on but not be embarrassing. I would vote for Jill over Trump, seriously.
No woman can beat Trump. Whether it’s Hillary, Kamala, Whitmer, or even Oprah, Americans do not take women seriously.
Sexism is more entrenched than Racism.
On another note, have you ever wondered why Trump’s past with Epstein and the enormous amount of grape he allegedly committed isn’t being blasted 24/7 on MSM? Why do you think the MSM who supposedly serves the Jews seems to only be talking about Biden’s old age?
It rhymes with “funny.”
Because they love Israel more than they hate Trump & if Epstein belonged to Israeli military intelligence, they want the story to go away.
Nah.
I could buy them trying to stuff it because media executives are on that list. But that doesn’t explain why the media is so anti-Biden.
I’m not autistic like Philo so I understand that the media thinks Trump is good for business. CNN is run by a Trumper now anyway.
Why do you think Biden’s approval rating is so low despite being one of the most effective presidents in decades?
The media has a RIGHT-WING bias! And no, I don’t mean cable television, I mean social media too. that’s where most people get their news from now anyway.
Found some proof that you are correct. Social media does have a right-wing bias. Of course Tim the tool has to deny it:
Crony monopoly “capitalists” aren’t really “right wing”. They’d prefer communistic governments, it’s just that they hardly produce as much as fake capitalism (it’s why China tries to be “free market” occasionally.
And they scored 90, exactly as whites today with their big brain but low education genes would have scored.
^^^TOTALLY RETARDED RACIST WHO JUST MAKES SHIT UP. WHAT A LOSER. SAD.^^^
I’m not saying whites have an IQ of 90, Mug of Pee. They average 100 (by definition). I’m saying the SUBSET of whites who have brains as big but education genes as super low as Cro-magnon have IQs of 90.
peepee: what i’m saying isn’t retarded. it’s super retarded.
mugabe: the ancient paintings i’ve seen are way better than 90. and how are artifacts ever a random sample of a population? even assuming the joke that is a “culture fair test”. you are literally retarded.
I found this picture gets 27 out of 73 (prorated because certain scoring criteria was inapplicable) on the draw-a-man IQ test which gets an IQ of 69 (white norms)
I find this one gets 53 out of 73 prorated points which is IQ 110:
On average they appear to be around IQ 90 but sample size tiny.
how are artifacts ever a random sample of a population?
They’re a random sample of what’s been preserved in the walls of European caves they’ve explored & unless only the drawings of smart people don’t decompose, I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
I swear you and Philosopher have weird reading comprehension mistakes where you misunderstand people in ways that are obviously uncharacteristic of their general positions.
Look at this solid article ripping genomic “prediction” of IQ to shreds. Cue AK’s incoherent nonsense.
“Genomic prediction of IQ is modern snake oil
Predicting IQ from genetics is inaccurate, confounded, and sows confusion about genetic research.”
https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/genomic-prediction-of-iq-is-modern
Then why does it work?
What do you mean by that?
Hes going to do a word game now Puppy. Just ban him.
it DOESN’T work you retard.
If it doesn’t work, how do you explain the near perfect correlation between average polygenic education score and average ethnic IQ? This can’t be explained by population stratification because the polygenic scores were built using only Europeans, and yet they can accurately rank all human races:
“Hes going to do a word game now Puppy. Just ban him.”
You have low general knowledge so of course you have nothing relevant to say.
OMG that straight upward line has me so hard right now
tired of having to explain to peepee why she is retarded.
the plot is totally irrelevant and made up. you have no idea how it was made.
It was made by plotting IQs on the Y axis and polygenic education scores on the X axis. Duh!
and it never passed peer review.
Because establishment journals wont publish HBD you idiot!
there’s a similar plot for income vs tests scores. so what?
And there’s a well known causal link between those variables. You’re making my point dumbass.
populations are not individuals. but because you’re a literally retarded racist you literally can’t unnuhstan that.
What’s not to understand my little dumb-dumb? It’s called an ecological correlation and they’re commonly used in epidemiological research as noted in Jensen (1998). Group level correlations appear to be twice as high as individual level correlations because individual error cancels out which is why the slope is so steep. But you still have to explain why even the ecological correlation is so high if there’s no causal link between the polygenic scores and IQ
even if chinapipo had a mean which was 6 points higher than the mean of wypipo that would mean 50% of chinapipo would be genetically inferior to wypipo with score over 106 you fucking mentally disabled racist clown.
As usual you’re confused. They’re using the pre-1950 scale where U.S.& U.K. whites average 100 BY DEFINITION. You’re using a scale where all Americans average 100 by definition.
melo gets off on being at the same level as a latino, a filipino. sad.
or melo is so utterly retarded he thinks filipinos are ne asians. melo
must be permanently banned immediately for being literally retarded.
but pp,
you said polygenetic scores only can account for 10% of IQ points.
and 0.37^2 = 0.1369
“ripping genomic “prediction” of IQ to shreds.”
“AK’s incoherent nonsense.”
rr needs to conflate intelligence with IQ for him to defeat his strawman of my position.
intelligence is just cognitive control,
the tests don’t matter
bodies do matter
It does not matter if cognitive control follows a bell curve or not.
IQ tests are irrelevant
Because the body is required for cognition that means we can see people with higher ability for cognitive control exist.
Dualism if true or false cannot not discount that people can have greater ability than others in cognitive control.
pp as example can do more than me.
you cannot say that is fake
“incoherent nonsense” – well well well, looks like I was right.
calling anything you disagree with as nonsense says allot about you.
Mugabe forgot what happened vis Russia. In 2012, the neocon puppet Hilary Clinton called for a ‘reset’ with Russia. Maybe some sort of new deal was offered to Putin at this time by the neocons.
For some reason he decided to intervene in Syria in 2013. Shortly, the neocons toppled the Ukrainian government in 2014 to teach him a lesson for interfering with Mother Israel.
The key question is why Putin went into Syria to prop up Assad? I don’t get it. Maybe he was angry at the Georgia thing?
culture fair test. hahahaha.
peepee is a retarded extreme evil racist.
culture fair test.
Did I stutter?
They don’t exist.
https://lchc.ucsd.edu/mca/Paper/Cole/iq.html
It’s incredibly arrogant to think only people who grew up in your culture are capable of abstract thought.
Struggling to think of how that refutes the argument. Did Cole make that claim? Is it even implied? Do you have any examples?
Yes I have examples. People who lived 40,000 years ago, long before the invention of farming, writing and civilization, scored only 10 points lower on the Draw a man test than modern 21st century Europeans with smart phones and chat GPT. That shows the draw a man test is culture fair.
It’s a drawing, not a test. And there’s no specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit for psychological kinds. That doesn’t refute Cole’s West African Binet argument.
It’s a drawing, not a test.
The only instructions on the draw-a-person test is to draw a person so same thing.
And there’s no specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit for psychological kinds.
That’s not how measurement is defined.
Levels of measurement, also called scales of measurement, tell you how precisely variables are recorded. In scientific research, a variable is anything that can take on different values across your data set (e.g., height or test scores).
There are 4 levels of measurement:
Nominal: the data can only be categorized
Ordinal: the data can be categorized and ranked
Interval: the data can be categorized, ranked, and evenly spaced
Ratio: the data can be categorized, ranked, evenly spaced, and has a natural zero.
Depending on the level of measurement of the variable, what you can do to analyze your data may be limited. There is a hierarchy in the complexity and precision of the level of measurement, from low (nominal) to high (ratio).
https://www.scribbr.com/statistics/levels-of-measurement/#:~:text=Nominal%3A%20the%20data%20can%20only,and%20has%20a%20natural%20zero.
That doesn’t refute Cole’s West African Binet argument.
An African Binet could have created many culture fair tests such as getting people to name body parts to showing people different objects and asking them which one does not belong using conceptual reasoning. Cole just needs to use his imagination.
How are you defining “test”? Have you seen this?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1097-4679(199201)48:1%3C114::AID-JCLP2270480116%3E3.0.CO;2-Y
“That’s not how measurement is defined”
SMO, OoM and MU together are sufficient conditions which each individual one being necessary conditions. And psychology has a “special definition” of measurement—and it doesn’t work.
Click to access michell-1997-1.pdf
Have you heard of the categorization test in Africa in the 70s where they categorized things that weren’t how Westerners did but it still held logically? “Culture fair” tests are impossible.
Somehow RR really shakes in his boots about culturally fair tests but when it comes to mixing disparate cultures into one society it’s all plausible that we can get along and work along the same axis towards a common good.
But it’s not ideological.
All I understood from rr’s 1997 paper citation was relativism vs realism and re-education camps.
Why is is so hard for rr to accept that iron man is superior in intelligence to anyone here on this blog.
Tony Stark Was Able To Build This In A Cave With A Box Of Scraps | Iron Man (2008) Movie CLIP HD
https://youtu.be/WJngbyHgS8E?si=jy3MWYsYx-MV5Lqq
I think that basically is says statistics are bad.
and something about “operationalism?”
anyway it also says people that disagree are mentally disordered because “statistics bad?”
maybe neuroscience is bad to?
it does not say but there was not neuroscience in 1997?
re-education camps for brain scanner people nonetheless.
as to rrs first paper:
IQ could just be “measuring” cognitive control
cognitive control is separate from drawing and video gaming but those things are just as important to intelligence (central coherence is important).
This could be the model that breaks IQ
g is only relevant to analyzing things
cc (central coherence) is synthesizing
so intelligence is two things not one thing as (g)
This models well with perception and judgment axis in jungian terms.
Iron Man is a fictional character.
For your first comment, can you explain to me more in depth what you’re not understanding? As for your second, what’s the specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit for that?
“Iron Man is a fictional character.”
So, you still think everyone is equal in what they can do?
“For your first comment, can you explain to me more in depth what you’re not understanding?”
why is statistics and operationalism bad?
“As for your second, what’s the specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit for that?”
why would cognitive control and central coherence need a measurement object?
They don’t exist is what you are saying?
““Iron Man is a fictional character.”
So, you still think everyone is equal in what they can do?”
So, I never said that. The claim is that there is differential differences in knowledge due to differences in experience, and Vygotsky’s theory accounts for it.
“why is statistics and operationalism bad?”
Can you quote Michell in that paper where you think that’s implied?
“why would cognitive control and central coherence need a measurement object?”
You’re saying those are measures, right?
1. So some people can do more than others? why?
2. He said relative measures (statistics) don’t count as realism measures. And that operationalism (points in time and pythagoreanism, ratios) is what psychology is based on today i.e. “what people can do”.
3. central coherence is what makes people good at video gaming and drawing. cognitive control is what makes people good at breakinging down larger problems into smaller problems. You tell me if this is measurable?
How does draw a man test work pp?
Is it the number of details?
(I found these drawings online)
My sister can draws about this good:
Chris Michael Langan can draw about this good I think? :
What can we tell about spatial intelligence from kid drawings pp?
I remember when 8 years old I wanted to make stop motion animation films. Then I did when 11 with Steven Spielberg lego movie studio.
At 5-7 years old I put a regular coat hanger on a tire with steps to it as a coyote trap.
I solved the Hanayama Enigma Puzzle in 10-15 minutes by myself on the first try in 2016.
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4th grade
5th grade
About 50% of the top test scorers in Canada were east asian dumbass. Your general knowledge….
Read a good newspaper. Just for stats. Ignore the narrative.
Look up “hyper-selectivity.”
you both need to look up “FUCKING RETARDED” and then kill yourself with a horse penis.
ONLY 5.6% of canada’s population was ne asian in 2021.
SE asians, S asians, and filipinos are DUMBER than wypipo without selection.
the following commenters will be permanently banned for PROFOUND MENTAL RETARDATION.
rr
pill
melo
peepee
or i’ll never comment again.
notice melo’s homeland scored LOWER than mexico, peru, panama, colombia, costa rica, etc. sad.
if peepee doesn’t permanently ban melo for being literally retarded then she is half somali. sad.
The US scored lower than Mexico, Peru, Colombia, and Costa Rica?!
That’s crazy. We should probably import as many immigrants from there as possible.