Just discovered episodes of Degrassi junior high on on Amazon Prime and decided to watch them. I hadn’t watched this show in thirty years and seeing it again was like being transported back to such an innocent time. A time when no one had cell phones, social media or the internet, guys donned fedora hats, girls wore long scarves, everyone’s hair was caked in hair spray, music was played on record players, and you literally had to dial phone numbers.
This show was such a huge part of my childhood. I remembered counting down the years until I got to seventh grade so I could be the same age as the characters and the same age as my older cousins who watched the show religiously, some of them even living not far from the legendary gentrifying Toronto inner-city where the show took place.
I remember a sissified close friend who wanted to buy a fedora hat and sleeveless jean jacket because he wanted to look just like Joey Jeremiah.
Although the show seems corny by today’s standards, that’s part of it’s charm. Each episode centered around some coming of age dilemma like a girl discovering she’s pregnant, or a beloved teacher suspected of being lesbian, or a mulatto girl getting caught shop-lifting, or an Asian student suspecting he’s been stereotyped, or a supply teacher seducing said mulatto girl, or the school secretary phoning children’s aid because a boy is being being beat by his dad. The show is so pre-internet that she literally looks up Children’s Aid in a deck of alphabetized cards on her desk.
And there’s an authenticity about the characters. They all looked like real kids and real teachers from that era.
And of course the theme song. I remember literally dancing to this as a kid at the start of each episode:
Pumpkin Person 
I would like to watch it mr pumpkin, but it says unavailable on my prime. How do you access it?
Prime may vary by country, but on mine, some episodes are only accessible if you subscribe to certain channels, but then by scrolling to the right of those episodes I find one that is immediately accessible.
Jesus literally preached Communism an extreme form of it I wouldn’t trust these whites throwing fancy words around and being unpleasant!
They make my tummy ache!
“Jesus literally preached Communism an extreme form . . .”
Have you read the New Testament, Loaded? Nowhere does Christ call for the abolition of slavery, caste, or class. He is silent on the issue of the position of women in society (and Paul affirms their subordinate role). He suffers himself to be addressed as ‘Rabbi’. The multitude is disparaged as reprobate and damned.
The antinomian, communalist Jesus is an invention of the higher critics and theosophists (and other assorted retards and pseudo-scholars).
The injunction not to heap up wealth endlessly is directed against greed (the love of money), not against wealth (money) as such.
Fair enough!
I literally had a LOL moment reading the gospel of Matthew the other day. When the pharisees saw Jesus’s disciples picking grains on the day of the Sabbath, thereby violating the law not to do work on that day, Jesus said “do you also stop healing on the Sabbath?” and lifted up someone’s injured hand which miraculously started healing.
Defeated with FACTS and LOGIC!
Pumpkin, I have a question.
If my FSIQ were 128, what would this mean in absolute terms?
I feel that repression of my emotional pain was lowering my potential.
I think that my perceptual range has been increasing.
That I can take more in at once and consolidate it.
It would literally mean you’re 28% smarter than the average American. I’m planning on doing a post showing IQ is a true ratio scale. I agree you appear to be getting smarter or at least less mentally ill.
It’s established that IQ doesn’t have a true 0 point. We know that it’s not like height, weight, liters, or grams (actual physical quantities—measurement units—which have established specified measured objects and objects of measurement). Even IQ-ist Richard Haier admits that there is no measurement unit for IQ like inches, liters or grams, and for us to know a measurement unit we must know if what we want to measure is even measurable. Haier even admits in his book that “We do not have a measure of intelligence as a quantity.” Be sure to try to refute Berka (1983) and Nash (1990) in your piece. Lastly, you need to, of course, state the specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit. But before you state the measurement unit you need to argue that IQ is a physical quantity. Good luck.
Also see the below article which argues that standardized tests aren’t on an interval scale.
Is it just noise? Measuring unobservable cognitive abilities in early childhood
“we have no measurement of intelligence comparable to a unit of distance or weight.”
But it’s also established that information is either true or false. Therefore it’s binary. Reality is consists of information. (Even if you disagree, one at least must admit knowledge consists of information). Therefore, for each bit of complexity, there is a measurable amount of bitwise information that goes into it. That’s how computers work.
In terms of information processing, what’s the difference between human intelligence and computer information processing, except that human intelligence can directly experience bitwise qualities while computers are simply told how to interpret bits of information?
Obviously human brains are not necessarily limited to the same quantity through time in the bitwise connections they can make either, but it seems to be fairly consistent across life.
Of course information is either true or false, but that has no bearing on the claim that there’s no quantity for psychological traits. And if IQ doesn’t have a true 0 point, then I think that’s devestating to claims of its supposed measurement. And yea that is the difference between a human mind and a computer—we have a first-personal experience of what we see while a computer doesn’t.
I do think that, at best, IQ tests show what one was exposed to in their life, since as Fagan and Holland showed based on their defining of intelligence as information processing that when it is guaranteed that there is equal/ample time to know the type of information on the test that there is no racial difference in IQ. Therefore, IQ tests are biased and Fagan and Holland unequivocally demonstrated this.
At the end of the day, the claim that psychological traits are quantitative (that is, measurable) still has yet to be demonstrated. IQ-ists like Haier haven’t even tackled that issue, neither have Jensen nor Rushton, Lynn, Kanazawa and others. This is because they don’t even have the basics of measurement—a specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit.
Intelligence is based on control theory.
The ability to control yourself allows you to process information in such a way as to get results when encountering tasks.
Relativistically people can do more tasks than others because they can control all the variables of the final outcome.
The essence of it is that we simulate what needs to be done to achieve our personal goals.
Fucking retarded. Nothing is naturally quantitative dumbass. Its about finding methods to quantify phenomenon.
My rating in Age of Empires 3 is ‘quantitative’ and allows me to compare with others but its not a naturally numerical phenomenon.
Being exposed to more information in life when solving problems does not mean everyone will be able to deal with the same amount of variables as everyone else.
some people will have novel problems requiring them to solve two/three simple things and they cannot solve them, well others may have to deal with novel problems that require them to deal with 20 highly complex things at once and they can solve them.
as I said: simulating what to do and doing it is intelligence.
Yea AK, Fagan and Holland showed that what matters for the black white IQ gap is exposure to information, meaning that IQ tests are biased. That’s the fact of the matter.
That is not what I said RaceRealist.
How many people can deal with more than 20 variables of a complex problem at once, not many.
It’s completely possible that we all have the same potential but it crystallizes differently based on motivation and experience. That’s the point. The other point is that Fagan and Holland showed equalized IQs between groups when it was guaranteed that access to information was had. That’s very telling (and refutes Jensen’s default hypothesis). Your autistic rambling about 20 variables is irrelevant.
>Your autistic rambling about 20 variables is irrelevant.
You are a meathead.
Meatheads can’t understand complex conceptions.
“We all have the same potential for some unmeasurable/unquantifiable thing”. Yes that makes a lot more sense than my explanation that minds must be quantifiable in some ways because they deal with quantifiable informational complexity.
“Your autistic rambling about 20 variables is irrelevant.”
Oh yeah bringing up quantifiability of intelligence is extremely irrelevant in a discussion about the quantifiability of intelligence.
“You are a meathead.”
And?
“Meatheads can’t understand complex conceptions.”
I respect your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
That doesn’t touch the irreducibility/immeasurability arguments against psychometrics that have been levied for literally decades.
@RaceRealist, you do not believe in working memory.
You think people cannot have more than one thought at a time which is untrue. And that implies You think that ADD and other forms of working memory deficits are imaginary. How many items on a grocery list can you remember at once? I can remember 3 or 4.
I don’t think you understand what it means to be unable to solve hard problems. because you think no one can solve problems harder than what you can solve. meaning you think you’re the peak of human intelligence so intelligence is a fake concept to you.
rr is such an effeminate homosexual.
just because peepee proves that the gap is 100% genetic doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible to breed a super race of world conquering negroes.
at most it might mean that it would take longer to breed such a race than it would starting from germans or chinapipo or irish or …
Those arguments are fucking bogus. You can quantify anything as long you can prove it does predict something.
Why don’t you quote me where you think I implied that? (You won’t.) How does that refute the fact that psychometrics isn’t measurement, levied by Uher, Trendler, and Michell? (Another question I doubt you’ll answer.)
The gap isn’t “100 percent genetic”, as Fagan and Holland showed (Jensen’s default hypothesis is false).
working memory is easy to measure
Just get a complex object set and allow people to learn how to use it on a problem. Those who can learn fast have exponentially more in holding the information in their cognition. By taking multiple samples of a person’s performance we can triangulate this amount relative to other persons.
No response to my questions—typical of you. What definition of “measurement” are you operating under? What’s the specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit?
^This is exactly implying ADD and working memory don’t exist on your part RaceRealist.
Intelligence (working memory) is the opposite of ADD but this is proof you don’t believe in it.
If you don’t understand and deny ADD RaceRealist then of course it and intelligence cannot be measured in your world view.
Just answer the questions I posed to you above. I know you can do it, champ.
>What definition of “measurement” are you operating under?
A relative measure of performance with different amounts of information interactions.
If more information can be utilized by a person the more working memory they have.
Yea that lacks specificity on the specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit. You really should read Karel Berka and Roy Nash. And your other statement is a mere sentence fragment. Read more, write less.
The processing of information in working memory is what we are trying to measure rr.
Working memory exists.
Just answer my whole question. Why is it so hard for you to do so?
the object of measurement is working memory
Here are the definitions. Going off what you said, what would the specified measured object and measurement unit be? (Note: I think you’re wrong, even if I think it can’t be measured since it’s psychological.)
“A specified measured object refers to a physical entity or property which is measured; a thing or phenomenon to measure or observe. This specified measured object needs to be define clearly and precisely which involves specifying size, shape, behavior, and specifying the conditions in which the measurement will be made. Quite clearly, a specified measured object needs to be physical—meaning it needs to be observable.
The object of measurement refers to the specific property or characteristic of the specified measured object in which we are interested in quantifying. It’s an attribute, characteristic, or property to be quantified or evaluated. So this property will help us better understand the specified measured object.
A measurement unit is a standard quantity or physical property used to express the measurement of the object of measurement—it is a standard quantity or magnitude. It provides a standardized way of quantifying the object of measurement and making it able to be compared to other measures. But before we even begin to think about a measurement unit, we need to know what we are measuring and if we can even measure it at all.”
>Going off what you said, what would the specified measured object and measurement unit be?
the information that can be held in working memory
information happening in working memory is a process and processes are measurable
working memory is when we put information together to try and understand (simulate) how to get results in given situations. some situations require more information processing than others. understanding is based on knowing the consequences of what we have put together. it is called fluid intelligence.
Anime why are you wasting time talking to this retard. He literally thinks all people have the exact same natural intelligence LOL. Even within races. He thinks hes as smart as the nerd in his class in high school if he just tries hard enough and has ashkenazi parents guiding him lol.
Decent try, but you failed. Even going off what you’re trying to do, working memory would be the specified measured object. The rest of whats you said crumbles. You didn’t articulate a standard quantity or magnitude. Your proposed object of measurement is a cognitive process, and your specified measured object isn’t a clearly defined physical entity or property.
See how hard it is for the claim that psychological traits are measurable? See why there is no response to the Berka-Nash measurement objection in the literature?
By the way, there’s also this new paper which argues the obvious—that educational achievement gaps are due to differences in experience and exposure to knowledge and that there was no difference in actual learning ability. Damn, the hereditarian hypothesis has been through the ringer the last 5 years.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2221311120
Well well well, what does the above jive with? I’ll spoil it:
“It’s completely possible that we all have the same potential but it crystallizes differently based on motivation and experience.”
“Recent research providing human tutoring to increase student motivation to engage in difficult deliberate practice opportunities suggests promise in reducing achievement gaps by reducing opportunity gaps (63, 64).”
Your whole worldview view RaceRealist is that intelligence is nonphysical. Therefore you separate objective from subjective.
The only way to know intelligence exists is by what effects it has on reality otherwise the gap between subjective and objective would never be crossed.
That is why we are testing people by “what they can do”.
By seeing what people can do we can create a profile of what is possible and impossible for them in many contexts. Then we can know their capabilities relative to others.
In concrete terms it is like vision, what people can draw is an objective measure of their perceptual range. And this also means we can have an objective measure of what a person can do in working memory by testing what happens when presenting them with an amount of data to be manipulated.
15 gigabytes of data can hold fifteen thousand megapixel images. This is what the average GPU processes on each human on the planet every day. This tells us that they have the maths to analyse it all not just store it.
You want to know what they do with this data?
They know exactly what your IQ is RaceRealist in all the details.
Animekitty on Facebook 2016:
Bits of discernable information stored in working memory is a standard quantity or magnitude… the same as a computer memory works with. It’s implied by information being the abstract quantity that minds work with, and bits being the smallest possible quantifiable element.
It’s not about “decent tries” you patronizer, it’s about what’s true. Clearly, bits of information are dealt with by the mind. Clearly those are discernable and measurable. Clearly this has an impact on real life.
Wow you got my view right (though I argue that ALL psychological traits are immaterial and so immeasurable). And yea that’s the explanatory gap argument, and it’s true.
Measurement units represent a definite size of the measured magnitude. The issue is—which no psychometrician has ever challenged—is extending the concept of measurement WITHOUT a unit of measurement. There is no measurement unit, as Richard Haier even admitted. That’s the issue. And it is about “decent tries”—it was, as I said, alright—but it just doesn’t cut it, since the definitions I’ve provided are very specific.
Riddle me this lurker—why is there no response to the Berka-Nash measurement objection in the psychometric literature?
Measurement units represent a definite size of the measured magnitude. The issue is—which no psychometrician has ever challenged—is extending the concept of measurement WITHOUT a unit of measurement. There is no measurement unit, as Richard Haier even admitted.
There are lots of measurement units: mental age, number of words in your vocabulary, number of jig-saw puzzle pieces you can fit together in 2 minutes, number of syllables you can repeat from memory after hearing a sentence said once, number of digits you can multiply in your head, level of abstraction of conceptual thought…the list goes on and on.
OK, these lack standardized units. A fundamental unit of length is a meter, foot, centimeter, inch etc. None of those are standardized units. The magnitude of length is conceptualized as a definite measured object of the object of measurement (eg a stick, board etc). That’s EXACTLY what doesn’t exist for mental abilities and why they resist quantification. This is why there are a decent amount of anti-psychometricians out there, and the issues they bring up have hardly been dealt with by psychometricians.
It’d do everyone here well to rest Berka’s “Measurement: Its Concepts, Theories and Problems”, and it’s a pretty dense book, so also read Nash’s “Intelligence and Realism” along side it. Psychometrics isn’t measurement. Numerous authors have argued this, and there is hardly if any response to them in the literature. Wonder why?
OK, these lack standardized units.
No they don’t.
A fundamental unit of length is a meter, foot, centimeter, inch etc.
And a fundamental unit of weight is a pound. A fundamental unit unit of volume in cubic inch. A fundamental unit of mental development is mental age. A fundamental unit of vocabulary is number of words you can define. A fundamental unit of shorterm verbal memory is maximum number of syllables in the sentences you can repeat after me. A fundamental unit of spatial reasoning is how many jig-saw pieces you can fit together in 2 minutes, etc.
The magnitude of length is conceptualized as a definite measured object of the object of measurement (eg a stick, board etc). That’s EXACTLY what doesn’t exist for mental abilities and why they resist quantification.
When you define measurement in a purely physical way, then of course only physical objects can be measured. That’s just a vapid exercise in circular semantics.
It’d do everyone here well to rest Berka’s “Measurement: Its Concepts, Theories and Problems”, and it’s a pretty dense book,
Did you read it? I find it hard to believe this was his argument.
The concept of mental age is an outdated concept. Nonetheless, it’s a composite amalgamation. Unfortunately, everything else you said is mere counting, which isn’t a variety of measurement.
It’s not circular semantics. It merely states the non-physical nature of mental abilities. So the distinction created makes it valid to question how something non-physical can have the properties of measurement. And there is no measured object. For example, the stick is the measured object and the object of measurement is length; so the magnitude of length is a definite measured object of the object of measurement. The issue is in denoting and understanding that what we designate as the object of measurement allows the possibility of measurement. I’m merely stating the challenges that so-called mental measurement has, it’s in no way circular semantics/argumentation.
Anyway, aren’t you a physicalist? Hereditarianism is a physicalist theory.
Of course I’ve read Berka’s book. It’s outstanding, if only a bit hard to understand on a first reading (it’s full of jargon, I’ve read it three times, it’s translated from Czech), but it is a wonderful study on the concept of measurement and what measurement entails. Berka doesn’t call it “mental measurement”, he uses the phrase “extraphysical measurement.”
If the necessary preconditions under which the object of measurement can be analyzed on a higher level of qualitative aspects are not satisfied, empirical variables must be related to more concrete equivalence classes of the measured objects. As a rule, we encounter this situation at the very onset of measurement, when it is not yet fully apparent to what sort of objects the property we are searching for refers, when its scope is not precisely delineated, or if we measure it under new conditions which are not entirely clarified operationally and theoretically. This situation is therefore mainly characteristic of the various cases of extra-physical measurement, when it is often not apparent what magnitude is, in fact, measured, or whether that which is measured really corresponds to our projected goals.
Both specific postulates of the theory of extraphysical measurement, scaling and testing – the postulates of validity and reliability – are then linked to the thematic area of the meaningfulness of measurement and, to a considerable extent, to the problem area of precision and repeatability. Both these postulates are set forth particularly because the methodologists of extra-physical measurement are very well aware that, unlike in physical measurement, it is here often not at all clear which properties are the actual object of measurement, more precisely, the object of scaling or counting, and what conclusions can be meaningfully derived from the numerical data concerning the assumed subject matter of investigation. Since the formulation, interpretation, and application of these requirements is a subject of very vivid discussion, which so far has not reached any satisfactory and more or less congruent conclusions, in our exposition we shall limit ourselves merely to the most fundamental characteristics of these postulates.”
At any rate, the fact that, in the case of extraphysical measurement, we do not have at our disposal an objectively reproducible and significantly interpretable measurement unit, is the most convincing argument against the conventionalist view of a measurement, as well as against the anti-ontological position of operationalism, instrumentalism, and neopositivism.
You should email Richard Haier and tell him about those supposed measurement units, because he’s admitted a few times that there isn’t any for psychological kinds.
Great points again animekitty!
“By the way, there’s also this new paper which argues the obvious—that educational achievement gaps are due to differences in experience and exposure to knowledge and that there was no difference in actual learning ability. Damn, the hereditarian hypothesis has been through the ringer the last 5 years.”
Of course, but let me ask: Is this based on nomologically deductivist laws? Because if it isn’t, count me out!
“Measurement units represent a definite size of the measured magnitude. The issue is—which no psychometrician has ever challenged—is extending the concept of measurement WITHOUT a unit of measurement. There is no measurement unit, as Richard Haier even admitted. That’s the issue. And it is about “decent tries”—it was, as I said, alright—but it just doesn’t cut it, since the definitions I’ve provided are very specific.”
A bit is a definite size. Doesn’t get more definite than a specific countable number. The unit of measurement has always been related to information, that is what problem solving deals with (as a measurement of intelligence). Information is what everything deals with because it is any identifiable attribute or property that exists in reality. Bits of identifiable attributes are measurable and countable, otherwise they aren’t distinguishable from anything else and have no interaction with reality and are meaningless.
My point is it’s not about decent tries it’s about understanding reality. It’s not a game and citing sources that agree with you is not going to magically make your arguments true if they are not.
“Riddle me this lurker—why is there no response to the Berka-Nash measurement objection in the psychometric literature?”
I just responded to it. I wrote it down (typed it). It’s there, you can read it. Is this the point where you revert to things needing to be credentialized instead of apriori so you avoid dealing with it?
Is the human brain (like) a computer?
rr you said that intelligence crystalizes.
crystals are measurable as different shapes
then we can compare one person’s crystallized intelligence with another person’s crystallized intelligence.
fluid is also measurable, we can compare people’s fluid intelligence.
Measurement units have to be a standardized and universally applicable quantity or physical property while allowing for standardized comparisons across different measures; your statement focuses on the countable nature of “bits” without addressing their universality, standardization, and fold as a consistent basis for quantification and comparison—which are necessary and essential aspects of a valid measurement unit. Sure “bits” are countable, but counting isn’t a variety of measurement, since measurement is much more than enumeration. Counted elements in a set aren’t considered magnitudes. Therefore your “bits” claim doesn’t represent a magnitude or meet the criteria for a standard quantity or physical property. Another “decent” try, but you’re failing to understand the distinction between mere counting and what a magnitude/measurement unit consists of. Counting isn’t a variety of measurement.
And the issue regarding a response to the Berka-Nash measurement objection is that it’s been 40 years since Berka and 30 since Nash and no psychometrician has ever responded to their criticisms of psychometrics. (And of course there are the modern day critiques, and they’re still coming, and there is a new set of journal articles coming out soon, with one of the editors being Uher, and some of the topics covered are how… Psychometrics isn’t measurement.)
performance is not a unit of measurement?
you cannot use units of performance to measure intelligence?
how do we know when someone is more intelligent then? there is no way to ever tell?
“rr you said that intelligence crystalizes.
crystals are measurable as different shapes”
Hahaha oh my God.
“Is the human brain (like) a computer?”
It’s like a computer at least in the way the rest of reality that consists of information is like a computer.
“Counted elements in a set aren’t considered magnitudes.”
When we reach quantum scales, we have to revert to plank lengths as our bits or counted elements to measure length, for example. We can no longer divide the length.
“Therefore your “bits” claim doesn’t represent a magnitude or meet the criteria for a standard quantity or physical property. Another “decent” try, but you’re failing to understand the distinction between mere counting and what a magnitude/measurement unit consists of. Counting isn’t a variety of measurement.”
Information is compared with other information. Having 10 digits in your head is different then having to remember ten words. However, they are both identifiable bits of information. I never said some types of information isn’t more useful than others. But no one ever said intelligence is always used in a useful manner either.
“And the issue regarding a response to the Berka-Nash measurement objection is that it’s been 40 years since Berka and 30 since Nash and no psychometrician has ever responded to their criticisms of psychometrics. (And of course there are the modern day critiques, and they’re still coming, and there is a new set of journal articles coming out soon, with one of the editors being Uher, and some of the topics covered are how… Psychometrics isn’t measurement.)”
Well I’m sure some people would understand and agree with this explanation. Some people here seem to understand it.
To me, I think it’s kind of easy to understand how minds work with finite measurable bits of information, if you understand how computers work.
““rr you said that intelligence crystalizes.
crystals are measurable as different shapes”
Hahaha oh my God.”
Why would you laugh? You’re the pedantic analytic master. You think mind and the physical are completely separate just because we have two words for them.
Yes I know that you just think mental constructs are immeasurable but you still used the argument that we cannot use physical words to describe mental events. And the rest of your arguments are how about psychometrics is imperfect.
Just understand what I showed from Berka AK. I don’t think it’s too hard. What do you think the argument is? Can you explain it to me?
“It’s like a computer”
No it isn’t. Even your “bits” claim is… A computer metaphor.
Magnitudes are quantitative attributes which describe the size, extent or amount of a specific property. This means that they obviously go beyond the mere identification or counting of elements in a set.
Measurement involves the assignment of magnitudes. What you’re saying isn’t a magnitude and with your “bits of information”, there isn’t an inherent magnitude inherent in the act of counting itself, meaning that measurement is more than enumeration.
And I laughed because that’s absolutely not what I meant by “crystallizes.”
“No it isn’t. Even your “bits” claim is… A computer metaphor.”
Bits are not a computer metaphor. Reality consists of information or states that are true or false.
“This means that they obviously go beyond the mere identification or counting of elements in a set.”
So you don’t know what the planck scale is? You don’t know that length stops being continuous and divisible at that scale? Therefore leading to quantifiable atomic units of length? (i.e. something akin to bits for length).
“Magnitudes are quantitative attributes which describe the size, extent or amount of a specific property. ”
The specific property is “distinguishable information”.
Feel free to disagree on the existence of distinguishable information (although again, I don’t know why you’d bother talking or thinking if you don’t believe in distinct information). But at least don’t pretend it is a weakly-formed computer metaphor.
“Measurement involves the assignment of magnitudes. What you’re saying isn’t a magnitude and with your “bits of information”, there isn’t an inherent magnitude inherent in the act of counting itself, meaning that measurement is more than enumeration.”
Yes there is an inherent magnitude in the act of counting itself… it’s called the number. If you start thinking numbers don’t represent any inherent magnitude then you can give up math and measurements entirely.
“And I laughed because that’s absolutely not what I meant by “crystallizes.””
Yes I know but your theory has holes (as many of us have been arguing) so one of the first places to look for is the language you use to hammer down where the problems lie. You think knowledge or intelligence crystallizes but you have no scientific or mathematical definition of what that implies. Insofar as there is one, it seems to be lacking.
Well the claim that the human brain is (like) a computer is outright false.
Look, at the end of the day, mere counting isn’t enough to say that X is a measure, unit of measurement. Numbers themselves don’t represent inherent magnitudes. This is what Berka was getting at.
“Distinguishable information” is qualitative, not quantitative. A magnitude refers to a quantitative attribute that describes the size, extent or amount of a specific property, so magnitudes involve numeric representation with standardized units. Numbers are tools that represent the quantity of items being counted. So numbers are essential in expressing the count, but the number is itself not a magnitude since it’s a symbol that denotes the count.
Intelligence/knowledge crystalization is a dynamic process shaped by extensive practice and consistent learning opportunities. So the journey towards expertise involves iterative refinement with each practice opportunity contribute to the crystallization of knowledge.
So if intelligence/knowledge crystallizes through extensive practice (which is empirically supported), and if students don’t show substantial differences in their rates of learning (which is indicated in the above PNAS article I cited), then it follows that the crystalization of intelligence/knowledge is more reliant on the frequency and quality of learning opportunities than on inherent differences in individual learning rates. It’s clear that my position enjoys some substantial support. “It’s completely possible that we all have the same potential but it crystallizes differently based on motivation and experience.” The Fagan and Holland papers show exactly that in the context of the black-white IQ gap, showing that Jensen’s default hypothesis is false.
peepee has made her blog into a trailer park because peepee is a trailer park person.
sad.
her blog was great.
then pipo learned her secret.
they were cruel.
i learned peepee’s secret and kept commenting in order to help peepee.
i was NOT cruel.
BUT i give up.
peepee proves the gap is more than 100% genetic.
why would anyone LIE about oprah’s looking like a monkey?
WHY?
maybe pipo who look like monkeys are superior n shit.
I don’t deny Oprah looks like whatever racist slur you ascribe to her; in fact the reason I liked her in the first place is that despite every DISADVANTAGE, her huge brain allowed her to adapt the situation to her advantage.
But the irony is she actually is beautiful you just have to be extremely non-racist to see it. One of my favorite Oprah moments was when some black lady told Oprah she was pretty and the black lady thought Oprah would be so surprised to hear this. Instead Oprah was all “Oh I’m GORGEOUS!” and the crowd went wild:
it’s not a racist slur to say oprah has dark skin and kinky hair. but somehow to say she looks like a monkey is?
peepee’s low IQ is off the chain!
Just admit you’re an extreme racist. Own it! Pill admits he’s racist. He thinks it’s naive not to be.
just admit oprah looks like a monkey!
If she does I respect her even more. Then she’s even more of a genius to look like that and STILL overcome poverty, abuse, racism, colorism, sexism, weightism to become one of the richest, most powerful, most influential and most admired people on Earth! Ability to adapt thanks to huge brain!
At the soup kitchen, the black man to the side of the lunch line started talking. It sounded like he was talking to me. I remember specifically what he said.
I cannot tell if he’s a white boy or a monkey.
I know he’s a coward.
You know I am talking to one person.
Where is he getting his breast milk from?
and
He ain’t getting nothing from me.
it freaked me out.
same result! notice the asians who score lower than US whites despite america’s shitty schools. above korea and hong kong.
peepee: i always knew koreans and hongkongers weren’t genetically superior.
and look who scores just below canada! ireland!
peepee: that’s not possible!
and look who the lowest scoring europeans are. albanians and kosovars.
rr: that’s not possible!
and israel is below vietnam and norway!
pill: that’s not possible! i think ireland and israel must’ve been switched. maybe that says iceland and not ireland.
nope! it says ireland.
Well its actually a myth the USA doesn’t spend money on education. It actually does. Maybe even too much on blacks.
Well China is very selective in the provinces it chooses to provide (they only basically provide high-scoring ones). We also know that Lynn cherry-picked Chinese IQ studies.
https://thediplomat.com/2013/12/china-cheats-the-pisa-exams/
https://thepienews.com/news/chinas-pisa-not-representative-say-experts/
1. Singapore – 560
2. Macau – 535
3. Taiwan – 533
4. Japan – 533
5. South Korea – 523
6. Hong Kong – 520
7. Estonia – 516
8. Canada – 506
9. Ireland – 504
10. Switzerland – 498
pill: but israel is 21% arab.
makes only a 21 point difference. so the jewish israeli’s average score is just below that of the US and sweden at 487. WAY below ireland. arab israelis score at the same level as saudis, 387.
sad.
Ok now strip out the sephardics, mizrahis and ethipioan jews.
i can’t find any data on ashkenazi jews vs the other sort. but i have read they are intermarrying at a high rate.
scores for duh chirren have been dropping all over the world. in 2018 hebrew speaking israelis scored 506. this put them just above ireland and just below poland. also below canada, finland, and US whites.
Everyone knows the orthodox jews are inbred.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/19/italian-court-sentences-pakistani-parents-for-of-teenage-daughter
LOL this is the stuff that happens from Loadeds homeland.
And your Celtic warrior bullshit is stupid 2 you Irish scoundrels are backwards!
Basically all the whites on here are degenerates preaching stupidity 2 the masses!
The whites think of life as preservable when in actuality it is far from that!
Whites are worse than Jews theyd do much worse if in power! They are the most Dunning Kruger race!
Puppy approves of incest, bestiality, homosexuality, transgender surgery and satanism.
Keep my name out of your mouth
MOST harmed by too many recessive genes = MOST affected by recessive genes = MOST dependent on recessive genes = MOST recessive traits dumbass
Your reasoning is backwards because you can’t reverse variables in working memory as predicted from your mediocre digit span at age 9. Most dependent on NOT having them.
Well well well. New results from Roseman and Bird shows that the so-called relationship between within and between group heritability has no evolutionary content and that the equation relating the two is tautological.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.12.18.572247v1
They’re overthinking it. Jensen’s default hypothesis was not some mathematical formula, it’s was just Occam’s razor. The simplest explanation for the IQ gap between blacks and whites is the 80% heritability between whites and whites.
Well people vary based on their race which leads to exposure to information, meaning Jensen’s detail hypothesis is false. Seems like a good end-of-year article for me to write.
In any case PP, Jensen was chock-full of tautologies(as demonstrated here and with his g) and contradictions (saying not to reify g but then reifying it 10 pages later in his 1969 paper). The issue is, as Roseman and Bird show, there is no evolutionary content there.
densen was intellectually disabled rr. stop picking on him.
but peepee proves that the white black gap is 100% genetic.
Jensen’s IQ was higher than yours.
tautologies are true a priori dingus.
We are all overthinking something!
This is Jensen’s argument for g and it demonstrates the circularity/tautology of it. Jensen’s work is full of contradictions and tautology, as Roseman and Bird showed.
(1) If there is a general intelligence factor “g,” then it explains why people perform well on various cognitive tests.
(2) If “g” exists and explains test performance, the absence of “g” would mean that people do not perform well on these tests.
(3) We observe that people do perform well on various cognitive tests (i.e., test performance is generally positive).
(4) Therefore, since “g” would explain this positive test performance, we conclude that “g” exists.
Nevermind the fact that the positive manifold is built in by only adding subtests that are positive.
And it’s not only a tautology, it’s unfalsifiable as well.
Comic of RR’s family:
More retarded stupid thinking from RR. Just ban this motherfucker.
TP, is what I said wrong? Can you explain why?
peepee doesn’t even know what recessive and dominant mean.
sad.
if a person has a low IQ, is black, is a woman, can’t speak english, and lies compulsively her reasoning is ALWAYS backwards.
Dude, you’re too stupid to understand why Mensa members have lower IQs on non-Mensa tests than non-Mensa members who scored the same on the Mensa admission test and now you’re too dumb to understand genetic dominance.
You’re age nine WISC-R digit span was at the 50th percentile so in one major cognitive domain (working memory) you’re only average for an American (below average for Canada).
You keep acting like you’re super smart, but the evidence keeps saying not really. No wonder Misdreavus and Pincher Martinn and Swank all moved onn when they realized you were an empty suit.
dude! there’s nothing to unnuhstan. but you keep repeating it because you’re dishonest and low IQ.
i asked you a math question regarding your “but muh selected n shit”. you couldn’t answer it.
misdreavus et al only came here for me and said you were a moron on other HBD sites.
why do you bother to LIE about my age 9 IQ score. digit span is so important it’s only on the test to identify ADD. it has a pathetic g-loading. and age 12 IQ is only 40% heritable. age 9 even less.
post my other comments dishonest LOW IQ LYING LOSER!
dude! there’s nothing to unnuhstan.
If there was nothing to understand there’d be nothing to disagree about & we’ve disagreed about this issue for YEARS because you don’t have the working memory to think probabilistically and you don’t have the self-awareness to see that. Even Pill admits that I’m head and shoulders above you at math. You have way more formal math education, but you’ll never be a natural talent like me.
dishonest and low IQ
Great title for your memoir!
i asked you a math question regarding your “but muh selected n shit”. you couldn’t answer it.
Because I have natural talent. I don’t speak the jargon you learned in advanced university classes.
misdreavus et al only came here for me and said you were a moron on other HBD sites.
That’s him expressing his constitutionally protected first amendment rights! I think that’s terrific.
However an actual poll of readers found most of them think I’m in the brilliant range. Wisdom of crowds.
why do you bother to LIE about my age 9 IQ score.
What lie? You said you obtained a Digit Span scaled score of 10 which is the U.S. average.
digit span is so important it’s only on the test to identify ADD.
Actually Wechsler himself said he picked it because it’s easy to administer, of great practical value, and especially good at picking out low grade individuals. LOL!
and age 12 IQ is only 40% heritable. age 9 even less.
The heritability of childhood IQ may go way up if we adjust for family environment, and you were raised by a Harvard Law grad. Anime’s childhood WISC full-scale was almost as high despite being raised by a physically abusive monster and a mentally retarded autistic mother.
post my other comments dishonest LOW IQ LYING LOSER!
No I will not post your abuse. Have a nice day.
Mugabe and Puppy both have excellent quant IQs. But Puppy has the advantage of being autistic whereas Mugabe is not and has to train a bit more to refine it. Look Mugabe, this selection thing isn’t even a quant concept. Its common sense. I think youre getting confused over the way puppy keeps phrasing the problem to you. If a scientific instrument identifies something ‘objective’ it should always be that ‘number’ no matter the context is what youre thinking. What Puppy is saying is that if we don’t know anything else except the instrument you used to identify the ‘number’, then we have to take into account the validity of the instrument. I get both of your viewpoints but in the technical sense, puppy is correct.
Also childhood IQ scores are bullshit. I wouldn’t even bother to know what anyone scored age 9. All I need to know about Mugabe is that he has 2 STEM degrees and one of them is a Phd.
I agree Mug of Pee is a PhD: Poor, horny and dumb.
“then we have to take into account the validity of the instrument”
Well no IQ test is valid—they’re “validated” against other tests (like the new editions of the S-B are “validated” against older versions, making it circular). IQ tests aren’t “scientific instruments”—there’s no specified measured object, object of measurement and measurement unit for IQ, and if there were, then there would be a response from psychometricians to Berka and a Nash, but there isn’t strange…
They predict performance. Doesn’t matter what you think of the instrument.
That’s circular too (eg school performance). And the “job performance/IQ relationship” is like 0.22, and this… Verified Richardson and Norgate’s predictions in 2015. A slew of successful predictions for the anti-hereditarians, wow, how strange… What I said about Jensen isn’t wrong.
IQ is a poor predictor of job performance but only because most job applicants are pre-selected for education and career tracks which both correlate highly with IQ If people were hired at random, job performance would correlate 0.5 with IQ:
Well education largely determines job market entry, so it’s just self-fulfilling that there is some correlation there. Even the relationship between grades and job performance 6 years after graduation, and those with high college grades did just as well as those without it. Therefore, high performaning students aren’t high performing adults (see Armstrong 2011, “Natural Learning in Higher Education”). Hereditarianism is full of circular arguments, tautologies, and unfalsifiable claims. The results of Sackett et al and Richardson and Norgate stand.
you’re too stupid to understand why Mensa members have lower IQs on non-Mensa tests than non-Mensa members who scored the same on the Mensa admission test.
that’s easy to unnuhstan. because the smart ones figure out that mensa, the prometheus soeciety, etc are low IQ societies.
[redacted by pp, 2023-12-21]
that’s easy to unnuhstan. because the smart ones figure out that mensa, the prometheus soeciety, etc are low IQ societies.
LMAO! You’re such a moron!
The reason the group selected by the test is less intelligent than a group who scores just as high on the same test, despite not being selected by it, is in the latter group, overperformers and underperformers cancel each other out. This doesn’t happen in the selected group because their very membership in the group is determined by performance on said test, so you get a surplus of people who overperformed their ability.
How many times do I need to explain this to you?
If this were a question on an IQ test, you would have FAILED.
And rightfully so, because you’re an idiot.
An over-educated idiot.
I’m sorry but the truth hurts.
Guys RR doesn’t believe human beings can be smarter than other human beings naturally lol.
Guys, TP is like AK in the way that he says unrelated things and never answers follow up questions.
If you are too stupid RaceRealist to understand what I say then that is not my fault. You misrepresent what I say because you are an unintelligent ashole.
Nah, you obviously dodge questions and go off on unrelated tangents.
RaceRealist is an adult because his dad is not a cellphone:
(“Threw It On The Ground”)
Yea this and Matilda are more your level. Stay there.
RaceRealist throws cake on the ground.
He is scum.
I’m convinced PP sold this site for $10,000 and now some random troll took over.
Whites are not harmless they are degenerates who amplified their own destruction and then finger point!
Theyve scapegoated groups of people 4 centuries just look at what they did 2 the Jews!
The whites are disgusting everything stems from their stupidities and original sin from the inception of their race when they started getting raped or raping Neanderthals!
Sad but evident.
You’re actually pretty spot on with this.
Europeans raped the planet and its non-European inhabitants, and now they have to pay the price in the form of mass immigration and climate change.
Ironically, no one would be trying to leave their home country if it weren’t for colonization.
Yeah repeating typical shitlib talking points is “spot on”. Do you have any ideas except that which comes from reddit faggotry?
Literally a child’s viewpoint. “Europeans did big no-no (citation needed) and now we all have to come to their tiny plots of land and shit all over the place instead of dealing with our own problems!” No, Whites nor the world are your mommy.
Yes of course, White people are the reason China pollutes the earth. Typical midwit communist inversion: These people are doing well, so they must actually be the most evil!
Actually, the irony is that you eat up Marxist talking points like Senate staffers (and your r-selected mother) drink jizzum, when nothing has been responsible for more 3rd world deaths than communism.
“Whites scapegoated the Jews”. The problem is that Whites are too trusting and build everything and allow r-selected/parasitic populations into their lands without just eliminating them entirely, and it always bites them in the ass.
But honestly, although I obviously care and would like to convince people not to go down the mass immigration or communist path, people creating their own misery by biting the hand that feeds them is a good example of a problem that kind of takes care of itself. I guarantee you’ll be having a lot of fun when you successfully create your White minority West ;).
It’s like feminism (among other things) destroying the nuclear family and then mental illness rising unstoppably (among other things).
Whites are not and never will be the hand that feeds! Also if you love your religion so much why criticize Communism!
Communism is the same concept as religion and draws most parallels 2 the fact that there is a Heaven etc where people live freely and unobstructed so please reconsider some of your argument here!
Whites might be K as individuals but as a group they are very r selected maybe not in breeding patterns but in a variety of ways from how they interact with other races etc.
It truly is disheartening that people still disagree with this viewpoint!
Usually, responding to you with sincerity ends up biting me in the ass, but fuck it. I got my DevNet and CCNA, so I got time to bullshit.
“Do you have any ideas except that which comes from reddit faggotry?”
Less to do with Reddit and more to do with having a basic grasp of history.
mv
Literally a child’s viewpoint. “Europeans did big no-no (citation needed)
You need a citation for the effects of colonialism?
“These people are doing well, so they must actually be the most evil!”
I’m not making a moral claim. I agree that in a perfect world, non-whites should stay in their countries and work to fix them, but that’s simply not going to happen. People don’t think collectively like that. The fact of the matter is that Europeans colonized the planet and caused destruction wherever they went, so, as a result, people are migrating from those destroyed countries to the West, where life is better. Your demographic demise is due to your own choices. You get what you fucking deserve.
“It’s like feminism (among other things) destroying the nuclear family and then mental illness rising unstoppably (among other things).”
Feminism has nothing to do with the destruction of the nuclear family. That has more to do with rising costs of living.
Here’s one. There is a wealth of information on the negative effects of colonialism. (Just look it up.)
https://scholar.harvard.edu/nunn/publications/historical-legacies-model-linking-africas-past-its-current-underdevelopment
“Usually, responding to you with sincerity ends up biting me in the ass, but fuck it”
Because you explain political theories I already heard on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah or read on Reddit. I already know everything you’re going to say, but I’m eternally optimistic and have an open heart that someone will say something that will surprise me.
“The fact of the matter is that Europeans colonized the planet and caused destruction wherever they went, so, as a result, people are migrating from those destroyed countries to the West, where life is better. ”
No, that doesn’t explain discriminatory practices against White natives that are against their wishes.
“Feminism has nothing to do with the destruction of the nuclear family. That has more to do with rising costs of living.”
Yes, they’re all connected to rampant liberalism and/or people seeking temporary GDP over long-lasting human well-being. I was just giving an example of people getting what they wished for or justice they think they deserved vs. “more oppressive groups” and it not having the effects they thought it would.
“(Just look it up)”
Oh yes, we can simply look up some study that exactly describes whether or not colonialism was worth it, and whose fault it was, and who benefitted in the first place (hint: not 99.99% of Whites).
Is colonialism being bad a nomologically deductivist theory? No, so shut your mouth, hypocrite.
Colonialism bad. Why? Study.
Mass immigration good. Why? GDP of shareholders.
White people bad. Why? Colonialism.
Liberalism good. Why? Equality and progress.
Who invented and spread liberalism?
RR and Melo: I’m sorry, I cannot continue this conversation. Would you like to start a new topic?
“You think you own whatever land you land on
The Earth is just a dead thing you can claim
But I know ev’ry rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name”
Classic RR Jew-learned hypocrisy. “Doing things to objectively increase profits is bad because what about all the human and environmental life that you can’t measure being destroyed, just like muh Pocahontas?” “We can measure colonialism’s effects on human life by plugging X in F(X)”.
The most fundamental equation in the mind of RR and Melo’s Chomsky-addled brain is “White = Bad”.
X is any variable, and it always outputs Y (Whitey being bad).
Have you even lived with modern whites! Theyre a bunch of degenerates!
They want 2 get fucked in the ass! Theyre asking 4 it!
Loaded I linked to a story the other day of Pakistanis who stabbed their own daughter to death for not marrying some random old guy from Mother Pakistan. You should read that and reflect on your shameful genetics.
There is nothing shameful about it plus it has as much 2 do with genetics as you whites being evil and killing random people of your own group 4 no reason!
Bunch of degenerate fruitcakes you white lot are!
Only whites are mass shooters! Ew!
I agree, let’s revoke those extremely White concepts of liberality and human rights for people outside of our race.
Now youre getting it!
“let’s revoke those extremely White concepts of liberality and human rights for people outside of our race.”
Sounds Cattell-ish:
“One of Cattell’s colleagues—Oliver Robertson (a man who criticized Hitler for failing)—wrote a book in 1992 titled The Ethnostate: An Unblinkered Perspective for an Advanced Statecraft in which he detailed his plan for the balkanization (the division of one large region into many smaller, sometimes hostile, ones) which was Cattellian in nature. It seemed like The Ethnostate was just a whole bunch of Cattell’s ideas, packaged up into a “plan” for the balkanization of America. So he wanted to divide America into ethnostates. Recall how Cattell eschewed “cultural borrowing”; well so did Robertson. Tucker (2009: 166) writes:
“Most important of all, in the competition between the different ethnostates each group was to rely solely “upon its own capabilities and resources,” prohibited from “borrowing” from more complex cultures advancements that “it could not create under its own power” or otherwise benefitting from outside assistance.
[…]
A critique of Cattell’s ethical system based in part on his involvement with others espousinig odious opinions naturally runs the risk of charging guilt by association. But the argument advanced here is more substantative. It is not merely that he has cited a long list of Far Right authors and activists as significant influences on his own work, including arguably the three most important English-speaking Nazi theorists of the last thirty years—Pearson, Oliver, and Robertson. It is that, in addition to citing their writing as support for his own ideology, Cattell has acknowledged their ideas as “integrable”—that is, compatible—with his thought; expressed his gratitude for their influence these ideas have had on the evolution of Beyondism; graced the pages of their journals with his own contributions, thus lending his considerable prestige to publications dedicated to keeping blacks in second-class status; registered no objection when schemes of racial balkanization were predicated expressly on his writing—and indeed edited a publication that praised such a scheme for its intellectual indebtedness to his thought and called for its implementaion; and provided a friendly interview to a periodical [American Rennaisance] directly advocating that constituonally protected rights be withheld from blacks. This is not guilt by association but rather guilt by collaboration: a core set of beliefs and a common vision of an ethnically cleansed future, and that his support for such a society has lent his academic prominence, consciosuly and deliberately, to their intolerable goals.” (Tucker, 2009: 171)”
Human rights came from Jesus.
RaceRealist is an atheist yet believes in them. strange.
Let’s put it this way: Almost everyone has an ethnostate in their own house. And for those who don’t, it usually done through a state apparatus (Foster parentship) and if not, involves homelessness and drugs.
Families live with each other. Roommates are usually of a specific age, in a specific situation (university, working most of the time, etc.) and speak the same lanuage. If they’re foreigners, they are related to other foreigners that vetted for them, or go through a stringent background check. Etc.
People in cities self-segregate, by race and by wealth. Often by age as well. Not just where they live, but where they work, shop, and what products they use.
Lol. Lurker is literally incapable of having a conversation without fallacious reasoning.
Melo my heart and mind are always open to you when you reach intellectual maturity.
Melo bombed out of high school and became a carpenter. Now hes talking about reasoning LOL.
I think math is most g loaded as a subject. Im try good at arithmetic and trying to solve math problems myself.
I wonder if PP could rank his favorite categories on cognitive tests 4 us!
Actually the literature says its reading.
I can believe it reading is very complex from recognizing phonemes 2 interpreting what is words are relevant 2 a sentence etc!
It’s a lot more pressure on working memory and working memory is what I think g italicized proper is!
actually literature says pill is a jew.
guess who scored #2 just behind singsing?
it starts with “Ire”.
https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2022/reading/international-comparisons/
Singapore
543
Ireland
516
Japan
516
Korea, Republic of
515
Chinese Taipei
…
You have a social justice activist trying to tear down IQ testing because it proves his beloved magic negroes are not that bright…..
RR when he is candid basically openly says all human beings are the exact same intelligent. In his debates with anime, he basically openly says a human being can be trained to do anything lol.
You can get someone random from the Congo and train him to be a theoretical physicist LOL.
Well yea, Fagan and Holland (2002) disproved Jensen’s “default hypothesis”, showing that when there was an equal opportunity to learn previously-unknown knowledge that… There was no difference in IQ. Helms (1992) predicted that as blacks became more enculturated in American society, that the gap would close. Then Dickens and Flynn (2006) showed that the gap has decreased by 5.5 points, validating Helms’ prediction. Thomas (2017) reanalyzed the MISTRA data and showed that blacks, whites, and Asians raised in similar environments would have similar IQs. Therefore, this proves three things: (1) That IQ tests are biased based on class (of which race is a proxy for); (2) that the gap can be closed by being enculturated in the culture of the tests; and (3) that Helms’ prediction came to pass.
You’re just a know-nothing, though, so I wouldn’t expect you to understand this nor even be aware of this matter and the prediction that was made and came to pass. You’re just an ideologue.
Rushton and Jensen used simple reading and math scores to show no decline whatsoever in the black-white IQ gap in over half a century:
In order to re-examine the Black–White differences over the last 54 years, we calculate mean Black IQs from the formula IQ=MA/CA×100, with the White mean set at 100. From the 1954 Georgia study (Osborne, 1967, p. 385), the mean IQ for Black 8th graders (14-year-olds) was 86 (12/14×100), and in
1965, 81 (11.3/14×100). From the 1966 Coleman Report, the mean IQ for Black 12-year-olds was 87 (10.4/12×100); for 15-year-olds, 84 (12.6/15×100); and for 18-year-olds, 82 (14.7/18×100). From the 1975 NAEP tests, the mean IQ for Black 13-year-olds was 70 (9/13×100), and for 17-year-olds, 71 (12/
17×100); from the 2008 NAEP tests, for Black 13-year-olds, 85 (11/13×100); and for 17-year-olds, 77 (13/17×100). These
results indicate no Black gain in either mean IQ or in educational achievement for over 50 years.
This is just a mere sidestep of Dickens and Flynn’s argument. They said that the Coleman report is irrelevant to the data they discussed. Rushton and Jensen didn’t even contend against the table in which Dickens and Flynn showed their results. They just complained that Flynn left out certain tests. But today we know that there is a small gap on the KABC-II (they complained about the KABC). Therefore, the actual totality of evidence points in the direction of the gap closing, and, therefore, that Fagan and Holland are correct in their argument that Jensen’s “default hypothesis” is false and that the environment explains the black white IQ gao.
The few tests Dickens & Flynn cherry picked is not the totality of evidence & the K-ABC has always shown smaller black-white gaps because less g loaded
A total of 8 tests (ranging from the WISC, WAIS, S-B, and AFQT) is “cherry picking”? I brought up the KABC-II since Rushton R and J made some comments about D and F not discussing the KABC. D and F unequivocally showed that the gap is closing.
Well Rushton & Jensen argued there were several tests they excluded & also argued they extrapolated a trend line beyond the data they had to support it.
Also when you average all these tests together, you can miss important details.
For example on the Wechsler, the gap seem to have decreased in childhood (WISC) but not at all in adulthood (WAIS).
On the other hand, the childhood gains might be because you have more children of elite African immigrants and more white genes entering the African American gene pool, thanks to more hip young people like you willing to race mix and fewer racist scum like Mug of Pee who hate black women.
Conversely, the adult Wechsler gap might be narrowing in younger adults, but by extending the WAIS to age 90+, this might be cancelling out any narrowing if the gap was big in the oldest cohorts.
If there’s no narrowing by the time the WAIS-V comes out sometime supposedly in 2024, you’ll need to give it up.
First off, let’s just cut off the fact that “white genes” are causal for IQ in black Americans. That’s a false claim. We know that effect sizes of complex traits are basically identical across ancestry groups. You said “fantastic news” when I linked that to you.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-023-01338-6
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.08.08.552281v1
R and J said that D and F excluded the Wonderlic, KABC, Woodcock-Johnson, and Differential Ability Scale. Let’s again be real here—D and F’s response to R and J demolished their attempts at a rebuttal. The issue is that D and F have unequivocally shown a narrowing in the gap, and this is what was predicted by Helms and further shown by Fagan and Holland in their experiments. Their 2007 results contradict the claim that blacks perform worse than whites on so-called “g loaded” tasks. All in all, R and J were wrong and D and F are correct.
First off, let’s just cut off the fact that “white genes” are causal for IQ in black Americans.
Why do you even bother researching & debating if you just assume you’re right a priori. That would be like Jensen saying First off, let’s just cut off the fact that environment are causal for IQ in black Americans. LMAO
And again, Rushton and Jensen complained about Dickens and Flynn not using the KABC, but we now know that the gap is much smaller on the KABC-II. That obviously counts for something and is obviously against their claim.
What about the 3 other tests they excluded? You can get any result you want if you cherry pick your data.
They discussed the WJ in the body, Wonderlic in Appendix B. They didn’t discuss DAS, but they did discuss Lynn (1996). Their appendix talks about a few other tests.
I mean, I cited two references for the claim about admixture, and they’re pretty in depth. I can reject the claim that genes affect psychological traits a priori, but we have experimental evidence showing that the effect sizes of complex traits are similar across ancestry groups. This, of course, undercuts hereditarian claims. It’s not the 90s anymore where we use crude admixture studies to infer what “white genes” “do” in admixed populations/ancestry groups.
This thread has turned into a fucking bonfire because of RR. Instead of debating serious topics, we are literally arguing with a retard about whether IQ exists or not. RR needs to be deported to Africa to live among his fellow ‘intellectuals’.
You see this indian kid in the UK that won the european chess championship for women aged 8 years old?
More proof indians have a lot of genetic IQ potential. I always said that. You can look back on my comments from 5 years ago. Its intuition. They are massively underperforming due to environment.
They are 90-95 IQ as a country as a whole with a lot of disparity between populations!
There are all kinds of “people” (lol) there from my understanding.
I don’t think they have a very big right tail and it seems like the higher IQ groups have less of a standard deviation in their IQ.
The above is from intuition and I think intuitively the high IQ people of India are very close minded compared 2 high IQ folk of other ilk.
I think India has a lot of problem solving ability that makes up their IQ but their working memory might be poor.
Etc.
british indians are HYPER selected fucktard!
have you been to india!
sad!
overseas indians don’t even look the same as most indians.
Indians lack courage and good will 2 others. I think theyre propagandaists and want 2 destroy a lot of the better aspects of our society!
Should they succeed well we will know!
Thats a myth. They are not hyper selected. Neither are the blacks or pakis here either.
It’s hard 2 be objective about India because there are so many stupid people there and the entire is Dunning Kruger beyond belief!
It’s a pretty penny 2 have an optimism 4 the future if those folks are our future!
Pumpkin reminds me of Matilda.
Animekitty is Madeline.
It’s funny because Matilda is an outcast and Dunning Kruger as fuck! I hate her both the actress and character its a heavy form of retardation there!
Matilda is vengeful and evil and honestly lacking self awareness even 4 that age! Lol!
I despise that character so much!
I did it. I found myself a “K-selected” white girl that I can knock up a few years down the road.
She’s about a 6 or a 7. An 8 when she’s naked, LMAO. I know I can do better looks wise but it works to my advantage because I’m more experienced than her and she’s easy to manipulate emotionally. She’s only 22, but she has a huge credit score and she’s extremely booksmart.
See, Lurker. Not all hope is lost. Our kids will be mostly white and have high IQs. We want like 4.
Good luck man. Having a kid is life-changing. Now, I look back on the sleepless nights for the first 3 or so months very fondly. Now that he’s walking around and beginning to talk, it’s time to get him into some solid movements to eventually transition to weight lifting at age 4.
Thanks, bro.
Her brothers are pretty large dudes, and I’m pretty athletic, so I’m hoping our kids have the potential to be monsters.
You need 2 think long term instead of short term!
Despite the “intelligence” of this blog many of you lack long term awareness its pitiful!
…in the latter group, overperformers and underperformers cancel each other out. This doesn’t happen in the selected group because their very membership in the group is determined by performance on said test, so you get a surplus of people who overperformed their ability.
YOU ARE SO UTTERLY CONFUSED IT’S ABSURD.
How many times do I need to explain this to you?
NONE. IT’S JUST EBONICS JIVE.
If this were a question on an IQ test, you would have FAILED.
DUNNING KRUGER AS FUCK
I’m sorry but the truth hurts.
YOU MEAN THAT YOU HAVE A LOW IQ AND ARE BLACK AND EVIL?
YOU ARE SO UTTERLY CONFUSED IT’S ABSURD.
Explain the flaw in my reasoning. You can’t because the flaw is in yours.
NONE. IT’S JUST EBONICS JIVE.
I wish I could give you that Flowers for Algernon operation so you could finally see how dumb you are, but alas, that’s fiction.
DUNNING KRUGER AS FUCK
Freddy Kruger is the only one you could fuck.
YOU MEAN THAT YOU HAVE A LOW IQ AND ARE BLACK AND EVIL?
To extreme racists like you, black is evil. Sad.
Explain the flaw in my reasoning.
there is no reasoning. it’s just ebonics jive by an UN-educated NATURALLY low IQ person.
when you make it reasoning then i’ll explain the flaw in it.
the first step for peepee to fix her low IQ is admitting she has a low IQ. alas her low IQ is permanent as she can never admit she has a low IQ.
Raciss
Variant of “Racist”, as spoken by black people.
What black people will call you, if you disagree with them or make them angry in any way.
there is no reasoning. it’s just ebonics jive by an UN-educated NATURALLY low IQ person.
We’re not getting anywhere.
Okay answer me this:
Which is more likely to be correct: the average IQ score of a group or an IQ score of a single individual? Why?
Which is more likely to be correct: the average IQ score of a group or an IQ score of a single individual? Why?
again! what do you mean by “correct”?
so i have to guess!
if you’re talking about “test retest reliability” then the average score for multiple people is always more reliable… because central limit theorem.
DUH!
this is just ELEMENTARY “true score test theory” and MATH!
DRR!
So let’s say a group A takes a test and we select from group A two new groups. Group B and Group C. Both groups makeup Y percent of Group A. The only difference is members of A were selected at random and B were selected because they performed best on the test.
Which group’s average IQ score is more reliable: Group B or Group C or both equally reliable. Why?
I think IQ is cool but we have 2 segregate fluid from crystallized cuz its apparent all of you have the crystallized ability down 2 but none of you excluding me have the fluid 2 get anything done about anything!
LOADED: You don’t know any black people so you can’t say the word “nigga”!
According to HBDers blacks are lower IQ on average genetically, and more prone to violent action. Why would a nonblack person want to know a black person?
According to RR and Jewwy McJewSteinBergowicz et al, everyone soaks up the information around them. Not only would the knowledge blacks have not be useful to nonblacks, but if their beliefs or actions were to rub off on you it would make you less successful in a society that is decidely not based on black culture (which would achieve nothing you would want in the first place). Best you could do is quietly teach blacks from afar.
Then stop appropriating their culture you dimwit! Whites are always trying 2 be like blacks so why would anyone want 2 the white folk opinion!
They are a bunch of fucking cowards anyways the white man eats the black man’s cock 4 breakfast!
I’m not even necessarily arguing what I did, just showing how your views lead to segregation. I’m open to new options, but it does seem some form of purposeful or de facto segregation is best.
You’re just jealous of both White and Black men because every other group makes Pakistanis look effeminate. Even the biggest White numale looks like Adonis next to an average Paki man.
Pakistanis look much more attractive than whites more so the males than the females!
That is obvious idiocy on your part!
And dont box me in 2 these stereotypes because im nothing like a typical Pakistani in terms of looks and personality!
I look better than any white dude out there even if we go by their standard of beauty!
Yes, Pakistani males look gay, when they’re not busy looking 3rd world and dysgenic. Is that what you wanted to say?
No I meant 2 say youre a retarded cracker who needs 2 be beat up by a bunch of black dudes 2 learn your place in the world along with all of your retarded brethren!
I’m actually a proponent of segregation. Blacks should be put into alabama or something and all the other races can live in peace and prosperity.
Why do you care about America?
i have a question for pill.
british whites are the worst performers academically because selective immigration. or so i heard. but i think muslim south asians, irish travelers, and afro-caribbeans may do worse. (while afro-africans do better. like idris elba.)
the RoI is now only 78% irish. are the remaining 22% the overachievers of their native countries? do they bring up the irish average?
Diversity affects all White nations.
I don’t care whether non Americans have recommendations for the US. We have randos telling all Whites they are colonizers. Precendent is set. What happens in the US affects the rest of the world. etc. So many reasons one can fairly speak about other countries, including the Irish about the US.
I don’t see how that answers the question on why TP cares about what happens in America.
I just think segregation is a good policy. It should be done in any country with a black minority. E.g. Brazil, France and so on. Not just USA.
It is a theory of testing based on the idea that a person’s observed or obtained score on a test is the sum of a true score (error-free score) and an error score.
i even know more about oprah than peepee does.
sad.
BUT! it’s WAY more complicated than that and peepee sucks at math so she can’t unnuhstan why.
the average of a random sample of a group will always be more reliable.
BUT! the sample size and random-ness affect how ACCURATE the estimate of the group is.
ACCURACY and RELIABILITY are NOT the same thing.
cue peepee saying retarded shit.
it’s also possible because peepee can’t speak english and refuses to name her native language that she meant…
which is more accurate for an individual:
1. his individual score OR
2. the score of the group to which he belongs?
obviously it’s 1. but this is trivial and…
oprah still looks like a monkey.
PP apparently they are releasing 150 names of Epstein associates in the new year. What if Oprah is on the list?
I would need to know the context. Merely knowing Epstein is not incriminating but in all my years of reading about Oprah (and to a lesser degree Epstein), I’ve never seen any connection. Barbara Walters is in the Epstein black book though & has a photo with Maxwell.
The book doesn’t necessarily mean the person is being blackmailed or is an accomplice. But a big chunk of them in there have some sort of financial or criminal connection. Walters is basically just a useful person Epstein put in the book.
A lot of leftwing people were disappointed to learn that Chomsky has links to Epstein. When asked about it by a journalist he replied “none of your business” LOL
Imagine if when the list is released, all the names are people RR’s been quoting. LMAO
Yeah the founder of Apollo is an Epstein/Mossad asset. A lot of the jewish guys in hedge funds and PE are mossad assets. For example recently a lot of them organised to get rid of the various presidents of the Ivy League for allowing people to criticise Israel’s Gaza genocide.
Nah the chomskey connection is anodyne. He probably had dinner with him a few times or something. Bill Gates was much much closer to Epstein. Gates even asked Epstein for marriage advice because he was sexually frustrated. But even then all Epstein asked Gates to do was give him money for charity crap.
Epstein performed some kind of financial procedure for Chomsky. I think Epstein just collected luminaries to give him the credibility to lure in his actual blackmail targets like Bill Clinton.
Actually it was the other way around, Gates asked epstein to give money to africa LOL. As if Mossad is going to donate to Africa!!!!
Yeah chomsky criticised the Lebensraum wars I think. If he was a Mossad asset, he would definitely not be doing that.
Strangely George Soros does not seem to have any connection to Epstein. Maybe for the same reason.
He criticizes the wars but does so by putting the blame on corporate greed & U.S. imperialism and deflecting it away from Ashkenazi genetic interests. That’s called controlled opposition.
I mean, Epstein was interested in Robert Trivers’ research for…ahem…”interesting reasons”, if I remember right.
Here is Trivers’ account of his relationship with Epstein. Apparently Epstein loved EP. Is it possible that some of these research finds are like what the Templeton Foundation does, like how Denis Noble has taken money from TF for his research?
https://roberttrivers.com/Blog/Entries/2020/1/5_Trivers_on_Epstein.html
https://theoutline.com/post/7956/jeffrey-epstein-evolutionary-psychology
What a strange connection…
“Trivers also said he believes girls mature earlier than in the past. “By the time they’re 14 or 15, they’re like grown women were 60 years ago, so I don’t see these acts as so heinous,” he said.”
EP applied to humans is obviously retarded bullshit like most psychology.
but applied to “lower animals” it might be interesting. for example:
what is the #1 cause of death for wolves?
answer: other wolves.
so territoriality is a thing. and it make sense from an EP pov.
You look at ‘high finance’ – PE/Hedge funds….its basically at least 50% ashekenzi jewish.
Jews literally invented PE.
Hedge funds have different roots but the best hedge fund managers are all jewish with the exception of Dalio and Griffin, Jimmy’s old boss.
It kind of mystifies me why ashkenazi want that land in Israel so bad. Its pretty hostile territory and the logistics and natural resources there are garbage. Ashkenazim are very distantly related to the ancient hebrews. Jesus would look nothing like Bill Ackman or Leon Black.
I don’t find it surprising at all. We evolved to control as much territory as possible. Chimps are the same way. They’ll rip rival Chimp tribes limb from limb to get more land. The more land a group controls, the more genes it will eventually spread. Natural selection for intelligence is still operating but it’s now at the group level. Within groups there’s dysgenic selection at least in the First World.
So the average IQ of our species will increase because high IQ races (Jews) will get bigger and low IQ races (bushmen) will go extinct, but within each race people keep getting dumber because low mortality so that may negate it.
Bushmen will never go extinct they have a niche unlike whites!
The supreme court fucked up in throwing out Jim Crow. People have a right to associate. Thats basically one of the consitutional rights that existed even before the civil war. If I want to set up a business or a club or a Bible study group I should be allowed discriminate against jews and blacks. Period.
The USA is a corporation first and a republic second.
money is money.
refuse to do business with blacks, then you have no right to exist.
because then people will then say they refuse to pay taxes because of “freedom of association”.
Abraham Lincoln wanted to deport all the blacks back to Africa. Don’t believe me Melo/RR? Google it. He thought they were not fit to live in a civilised society. He ended up being proved correct.
The non-American is telling me to “Google” something I learned about in school. What a clown.
That wasn’t taught to you in school dumbass. Even if it was, you were too stupid to remember it.
The non-American is now telling me whag I did or did not learn in school. Hilarious.
pill mein herr!
rr was referring to HIMSELF as a clown.
this is extraterrestrial clown technology.
or what i call UCT = Unidentified Clown Technology.
I vaguely recall learning that when I was a Junior.
The US textbook writers would rather set themselves on fire than admit Lincoln was a foaming at the mouth racist.
Why pill, why did the South stop him?
Because they were butt hurt they lost the election.
biden’s voice used to be the best.
for actors and tv/film personalities in general…including politicians…
there are 3 factors:
1. the voice.
2. looks.
3. acting ability.
only the third is g-loaded in the traditional sense. but sadly…aesthetics don’t lie…smart pipo as a group are slightly above average in the looks department too.
biden’s son has a good voice. though whiny-er than his father’s. so it’s heritable.
if oprah had Ayesha Rascoe’s voice she could be a nobel laureate in theoretical physics in her spare time and you’d never’ve heard of her.
APPRECIATE THE VOICE!
it’s why hildebeest lost.
trump has a better than average voice and he’s physically imposing…he’s a big dude…even if he weren’t fat…and he’s funny…
but he’s also a genius!
just not in the traditional IQ sense.
I doubt her voice explains much of her success. Voice is more important for men than women. Also, when Oprah used her power to replace david attenborough as the narrator of a nature series, the audience hated her voice so much they practically rioted.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/discoverys-life-viewers-rip-oprah-53398/
So I think the adaptive behavior caused by her huge brain is a far more plausible explanation.
As for Trump’s talents, do you think it’s possible to measure them psychometrically?
The deeper question is if it can’t be measured psychometrically, is it really genius?
Hes a social genius. You could someday measure it, but it would take a lot of work. All you need to know is that he can create followers and get good looking women into bed.
Voice tells you something about a person’s personality. I remember my driving instructor said I had the voice of a radio announcer.
In trumps case though its mostly his social genius and the fact that he supports policies that maybe the majority of americans want in terms of imigration and most of his foreign and trade policy which which make neoliberals and neocons really angry.
it seems TOTALLY OBVIOUS that as soon as ireland got rich it also got smart.
deal with it pill/peepee!
do i have to remind you of unz’s whole article on “how the irish got smart”?
I read that article….
There are a lot of people in Ireland that are really dumb. But if the PISA tests say we are smart then it shows you can improve scores by investing in education and a gigantic welfare state.
One of the things thats notable about Ireland compared to the UK is that its welfare is extraordinarily generous, even by Nordic standards.
Ireland basically has good socialist policies but bullshit open borders policies because our taoiseach is a fucking faggot.
so i was reading more about vivek.
dude’s super fishy.
i suspected as much…
so now i SUSPECT his bizarre bid for prez is: he hopes he can pardon himself.
he just proves that someone can be wicked smart and wicked wicked at the same time = the pipo who get into harvard nowadays.
https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853
I can’t stand the guy. He looks, talks & thinks like he belongs in a hospital for the criminally insane.
“wicked” is a boston english expression meaning “very”.
like “wicked cool” = very cool.
Hes not insane LOL. That is the second worst social judgement I have ever seen.
WOW.
You’re too literal, pill.
You just called him ‘criminally insane’. Theres nothing criminal or insane about him.
Many high IQ Indians are just high IQ gypsies… literally.
Yeah I went through his wiki and it just says he became a billionaire investing in biotech companies. Weird.
He’s not even a medical background. Where is he getting money to invest in biotech? Was he at Kleiner or Founder Fund with Thiel or something?
He is clearly high IQ. Thats definite.
Lurker, comparing all indians with gypsies is like comparing all whites with white trailer trash. Are all whites….white trailer trash? If yes, then all indians are gypsies.
I dont know what your beef is with browns (hindus and muslims alike) and even black people is. We should be hating you not the other way round.
so how does mugabe explain the very surprising (to him!) performance of wypipo ‘mer’cans (i mean have you seen american wypipo?! sad!)…
is…
the same as his explanation for the ashkenazi difference.
the stratification of occupational prestige…
15 year old american whites have been (as a group) shifted to the right of the bell curve as a result of:
1. mass immigration of pipo from latin america AND asia who are NOT “comme il faut” with america, english, education, etc.. they do the shit work…wypipo don’t.
2. the 13% black underclass/untouchables/etc.
Relative to Black Americans, the white American has IQ has either stayed the same (Rushton & Jensen) or gone down (Dickens, Flynn, Murray) since WWI.
Europeans view white americans as universally stupid.
Like I said, these PISA test results are a bit weird.
White americans have mixed with lower IQ races quite a lot compared to europeans too. I just don’t get it.
FALSE!
white ‘mer’cans are very very very white.
very different from latin american.
i’d guess that the % of wypipo ‘mer’cans with any non-european ancestry is less than 5%.
sadly mugabe’s theory can be TESTED!
if PISA is broken down by US state AND by race…
and mugabe’s theory is true then…
it predicts that wypipo from the american southwest and southeast should score higher than wypipo from the still almost 100% white upper northeast.
right?!
please criticize!
so wypipo from mississipi should outscore wypipo from vermont…
but that’s an extreme example…
generally not known to NON-americans is that UPPER NEW ENGLAND is still basically 100% white…the WHITE-EST part of the US…
i almost forgot…
TR…
the TR explanation of why wypipo ‘mer’cans score so high is a combination of culture and hybrid vigor and mostly british…
TR = highest IQ president = …
but he lived in a time where eugenics and racialism were…
what all the cool pipo thought.
Jefferson was Good president.
Trailer Park was where I made my first movies.
I did my first science speriments in trailer park too.
My grandmother had a goat farm and a motel.
She was alive when FDR was president.
She worked hard he whole life.
Eminem – Lose Yourself
This is your level. Discussing biology and psychometrics obviously isn’t.
exactly. this is personality on personality. sad. MPD is fascinating.
you know the family of the sexy woman from the heaven’s gate cult probably doesn’t want her used as a meme.
peepee should delete that and post this:
[redacted by pp, 2023-12-23]
Biology is chemistry dipshit.
You never connected the dots of what I was saying.
You a few weeks ago: “I’m NoT a ReDuCtIoNiSt.” haha.
If living organisms exhibit emergent properties that cannot be fully explained by their constituent chemicals and interactions, and if biology encompasses the study of these emergent properties in living systems, then it follows that biology is irreducible to chemistry, since chemistry alone cannot account for the unique phenomena and complexities observed in living organisms.
You stupid fucktard.
Chemical reaction rates in feedback cycles are the only thing in existence that matters when it comes to emergent biosystems. This feedback allows phenotype to be what it is.
Study cybernetics fool.
Where is the error in my reasoning?
Study systems biology and DST, fool. Have you ever taken a chemistry course?
The flaw in your reasoning is in calling cybernetics reductionism you stupid shit.
Acknowledging the role of chemical reactions in feedback cycles doesn’t necessarily address the claim that biology is irreducible to chemistry since there is the presence of unique and unexplained emergent properties of living systems (which is what my argument touched on which you didn’t attempt to say anything to). And asserting that “biology is chemistry” is…reductionist. Have you ever taken a chemistry course?
Stick to the anime and Matilda. This is way above your pay grade.
Chemicals stick together, when two or more chemicals interact they exchange magnetic field polarizations that can break them apart or bond them together making a new magnetic field equilibrium of the molecule.
In biology, there are mechanisms for keeping certain reactions within their bounds such that the organism does not die(fall apart). this is the feedback regulation. this means it must separate chemicals and remove chemicals and transport chemicals where they can be bonded and broken apart. proteins are catalysts that do this by having these magnetic field shapes.
The aggregate of all chemical interactions makes the organism able to keep the homeostatic boundary of itself. genes allow different organisms in nature to have inside them chemical reactions unique to themselves complexifying the relationship between homeostasis and self-regulation.
fools like rr think chemistry and feedback cybernetics are separate in systems biology, they are not.
Before middle school, I learned about whale evolution in 5th grade. And in 7th grade, my science fair project was on seeing which soda pop had the most bubbles.
The essay I wrote about science is the reason I went to a science magnet school. I did a presentation on the transistor in 5th grade.
I read all 12 books on artificial intelligence in the middle school library and how MIT was the best place to study A.I. – I did my high school project on A.I.
At 12 I read Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea and I saw the UFO Museum in Roswell. – we went to the biosphere in Arizona in 6th grade. – I participated in a mock NASA space shuttle simulation launch command center in the big classroom. I read all 7 Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov in high school.
Nightcore – Thanks For The Memories
Dexter’s lab was my favorite cartoon.
Digimon was a good show too.
I spent all the time at bible camp thinking about how to make a.i. in 2004 after I read Jeff Hawkins’s book.
Cool story bro. Just point out the error in my reasoning.
Anime is a lot more intelligent than RR gives him credit for. They just talk past each other.
Yea I can agree with that. I can do without the irrelevant nonsense though.
You cannot separate biology from chemistry, from physics, from math, from metaphysics in the reductionist way you are doing RaceRealist you retard.
My brother called me a wii-tard because my favorite video games were on the Nintendo Wii.
I think these games are the best way to test social intelligence because you cannot advance in them if you’re dumb.
Strength of a Thousand Men – Two Steps from Hell
At 8 years old I understood that spacetime was a bendable fabric. I knew when I was 8 years old that atoms were made of protons neutrons and electrons. I knew what a stop motion camera was and what an artificial womb was that could be used in space colonization.
I knew when 12 that the 4th dimension existed.
In 1996 I saw that Digimon was inside the digital world because it was connected to the real world via the internet. I made my own Digimon character.
I designed my own computer and utility hook when 12.
I designed my own lightsaber and a space station also.
I read The Ethics of Star Trek when I was 18.
Digimon Tamers English Opening (4K Remastered)
my jesus meme should be deleted too. it might be interpreted as blasphemous.
By that logic we should delete your trashing of Oprah.
@illuminaticatblog
Interestingly at age 7 or 8 I began thinking about time and memories and the unreliability of memories in a hypothetical case of time not being still. Like if the past kept changing so would my memories, and a new block of past-present-future would replace an old one. I remember thinking I would have no way to know what hypothetical erased pasts were including erasure of a past where I thought about that thought. That in extension lead me to wonder why I don’t have access to all memories including the future memories and for a while I tried to think ahead to what I would think immediately a second later or sometime later in the future.
Hilarious. I thought you’re not a reductionist? Saying that biology is chemistry is REDUCING biology to chemistry.
No, there are emergent properties in biology which can’t be explained by chemistry, physics, or other disciplines. There are emergent properties in biology that go beyond that which can be explained solely by reducing biological phenomena to the principles of chemistry or physics etc. There are unique complexities of biological systems that cannot be captured by a reductionist lens.
trashing oprah is blasphemy?
because oprah is God?
delete both.
i know you can do it.
I redacted the jesus picture from the comment but next time have more foresight.
Let’s say we give 10,000 random American adults the old SAT. We then select two groups of 20; one group of 20 is chosen because they scored above 1400 and the other because they’re wearing green shirts. If both groups averaged 1450, which group will score higher if given the WAIS-IV or will both score the same? Why?
does wearing a green shirt indicate superior (or inferior) intelligence by itself independent of SAT score? if not then it makes no difference.
but in that case such a selection would be basically impossible. it would be …
the 99th percentile to the 20th power. or 10^-40 = absurd!
thank you for being polite and precise in your questioning/demonstration. now please delete my blasphemous comment.
sadly…
lots of US presidents have been freaky smart.
trump is NOT one of those…
in the “pure IQ” sense.
“pure IQ” = a term used by milton friedman on Charlie Rose to describe nixon…
my parents were always yellow dog democrats, but they both admitted that “in terms of pure IQ”…
nixon.
nixon was a member of a very small but very high IQ religious minority = QUAKERS
hoover is the only other QUAKER prez right?
I used to think Nixon’s IQ was 143 because he scored 143 on an IQ test in school. Then someone told me that the test’s SD was only 10, which would put Nixon at a ridiculously high 165 on the standard scale, though it’s unclear if this scores were normally distributed at this level.
Nixon is very interesting because he was a middle class person who was shunned by the upper class gentile elites when he was chosen to become president. I think Rockefeller and Dillon and Du Pont and these other people viewed middle class people with distaste which explains why they introduced neoliberalism shortly after wiping Kennedy out.
contra pill mugabe never went to church and never goes to church but he was baptized anglican and his father and his father’s father once considered becoming anglican priests.
high church anglicanism = catholicism lite.
i hope peepee becomes an american citizen and becomes part of the 17+% of african-americans who will vote trump.
tump is the most popular republican among black americans since eisenhower!
sad!
That’s because Trump has the lowest IQ voters of any U.S. president.
So let’s say a group A takes a test and we select from group A two new groups. Group B and Group C….
Both groups makeup X percent of Group A. …
The only difference is…
members of A were selected at random…AND….
STOP!
everything after this makes no sense (to me et al)
btw, “et al” is ROME!
it’s english for “and those other guys”.
Okay I’ll rephrase it:
Let’s say group A takes a test and we select from group A two new groups: Group B and Group C.
Group B consists of a random Y percent of group A. Group C consists of the highest scoring Y percent of group A.
Which group’s average IQ score is more reliable: Group B’s or Group C’s or both equally reliable? Why?
Ireland basically became very rich copying switzerland and running a mercantalist trade policy.
The secret of developmental economics that they will never put in a textbook is that if you run a mercantilist trade policy like East Asia and Ireland you will get rich as long as the country you are abusing i.e. USA keeps a retarded free trade policy.
USA only keeps free trade so their corporations can access chinese labour. It is hilarious how that strat makes everyone below the top 10% in the USA poorer in the short run at least.
Literally every single economics textbook disagrees with what I just said. It takes a very high IQ person to realise what I just said is the correct economic theory.
In an exam in college I would get a F for writing what I just said.
it is amusing when economists refer to the slave like exploitation of people in China and Mexico as “comparative advantage” and “pareto efficient”.
Let’s just be honest let’s just be real!
I admit I’m a racist because most people are naturally a racist you fucking socially retarded goon.
Without 15 years of toilet training to teach people to love minorities, most people in every Western country would be ‘racist’ by whatever definition you want.
Its called instinct and jews know that its dangerous for gentiles to make instinctual decisions in the political realm. Thats why its shunned and banned.
most people are naturally a racist
Most men are naturally rapists too. Do you endorse that too you backwoods degenerate freak?
False. Most men are not natural rapists. Once again very low social IQ.
So you want men 2 be natural rapists Pill?
If so i can help you!
“Instincts” are learned.
^^^UCT sighting^^^
In the 1950s Ireland ran an autarky trade policy.
Not recommended. In this, I agree with neoliberals.
Neoliberalism is literally economic theory from 300 years ago dressed up in pretty basic applied math.
When I said to my professor that all the equations basically were dictated by retarded asumptions he just couldn’t believe what I was saying. This guy was a PHD in University of Chicago and I was telling him his math was basically sophistry.
And he was thinking “wow what an idiot”
Maybe the IQ measure could be presenting scholastic material (economy, law, philosophy, math, physics etc) and see how fast and well people are able to assimilate it.
If the average is 100, people 100 times slower would have a 1 IQ and people that faster would have a 10 000 IQ. No need then to force it into a Gaussian.
The limit is that for some stuff at a certain level, people aren’t able to understand no matter how much time they spend (that explains some Philos comments).
So there could be a mix between fast and deep/high to limit the IQ of people who are just wonderlic champions.
In general though, it seems there is a good correlation between fast and deep/high.
Anecdotically, I have seen that a Macro- economy book at bachelor level (1200 pages like Mankiw) can be 60 hours to 600 hours for 145 versus 115 person and a theoretical physics handbook of 300p can be 12 hours to 1200 hours for 160 versus 130 IQ.
So that the same gap is conducive to a 100 times difference versus 10 times depending on the intelligence load of the subject.
Youre a fucking clown Bruno. I definitely understand that math in econ. Its very basic. I studied a higher level of math in high school. The math in neoliberal econ is sophistry.
Econometrics and empirical econ is totally different and is viable.
Theres no doubt bruno has the highest quant IQ in the comment section due to his severe autism. But his social intelligence is definitely the lowest. And he has no imagination or ability to recognise people lol.
I would definitely trade 20 or 30 Quant IQ points for the ability to see images in my head.
In a total IQ sense of all types of intelligence and capabilities of the brain, I am smarter than Bruno without doubt. 99% of people would think I’m smarter talking to me than the robot Bruno. Bruno is basically a slightily less autistic rain man.
And I call you a clown because you make people laugh at your behaviour in real life and here.
LOL. Philo can’t take showers and thinks Jews run the world, but is convinced that he’s intelligent.
I realize that intelligence is about inspiration! Once someone has the inspiration 2 do something they can intelligently framework things!
Some perspectives I have are simple others are complex but each one has a specific inspiration behind it!
Once I pinpoint what it is I access a trove of good information!
it doesn’t matter how the pipo are selected their expected average is still the sum of their scores in SDs multiplied by the correlation between the first test and the second test.
the expectation of expectated values = the expected value
E(E(X1) + … + E(Xn)) = E(X1 + … + Xn)
all that can be said is that the average score (on the second test) of those who score very high or very low on the first test will have a greater expected absolute difference from their first test score than those who score in the middle. but this is obvious. 3 – 3*0.8 > 1 – 1*0.8.
it doesn’t matter how the pipo are selected their expected average is still the sum of their scores in SDs multiplied by the correlation between the first test and the second test.
Are you sure about that?
Let’s say we give 10,000 random American adults the old SAT. We then select two groups of 20; one group of 20 is chosen because they scored above 1400 and the other because they’re wearing green shirts. If both groups averaged 1450, which group will score higher if given the WAIS-IV or will both score the same? Why?
Im a pipos person! This blog is trashed n thrashed n retahded sometimes! This is one of those times!
I’ve sometimes wondered whether I hate neoliberals more than neocons. Neocons are basically psychopathic and rational. Neoliberals are autistic and serve Master but don’t know it.
Its hard to choose.
it’s interesting how these heavyweight fighters like zhang, fury, holmes, fedor, the later forman…
they’re fat.
but so are most super heavyweight weightlifters.
this is a phenomenon mugabe terms “anabolic resistance”.
People like bruno were put into academia to dumb it down. All the textbooks are written by people with autism in econ, psychology, philosophy, and other ideology subjects.
I would say Macron voters like Bruno are everything that is wrong with this world.
I get pissed off when Bruno insults my intelligence. This guy was compared to Sheldon by his own wife. He is in a very silo’d technical field in a dumbass civil service role in Macron’s setup.
I’ve seen people like Bruno in autism documentaries and they never achieve anything. Not even wealth.
Anyway the only person who could be classified as clinically retarded in the comment section is actually Bruno.
The only way you could tell he was smart is by IQ testing him lol.