I now have data on nine people who have taken both my jig-saw and an undergraduate college admission test (SAT/ACT).
Because age has an acute effect on jig-saw, I converted all jig-saw scores to age adjusted jig-saw scores by deducting 0.33 points points for each year below 32 you are when you took the test (up to a maximum of seven years). I also added 0.33 points for each year above 32 (no maximum).
Thus if you only solved the red puzzle (six pieces) and thus got a score of 6, but you’re 60-years-old (28 years above 32) your age adjusted score becomes 6 + 0.33(28) = 15.
Then using equipercentile equating, I equated the nine age adjusted jig-saw scores with the IQ equivalents of the SAT/ACT scores in the same sample.
The result is the following formula for deriving spatial IQ (U.S. norms) from age adjusted iig-saw puzzle scores:
Spatial IQ = 2.01(age adjusted jig-saw score) + 71.16
To be clear, age adjusted score is simply the score you would have got if you too the test at 32. If you are 32, no need to age adjust.
I other words (at age 32):
Red 0 to 6 pieces: spatial IQ 71 to 83 (U.S. norms)
Yellow 8 pieces: spatial IQ 87
Green 10 pieces: spatial IQ 91
Blue 15 pieces: spatial IQ 101
Bronze 20 pieces: spatial IQ 111
Silver 24 pieces: spatial IQ 119
Gold 30 pieces: spatial IQ 131
If future research replicates these studies, the results have vocational implications. For example, in the past if you had a verbal IQ of 110 and a spatial IQ of 110, it would make just as much sense to pursue a verbal career as a spatial one, since you’re at the 75th percentile in both domains.
However because my jig-saw test like my crossword test before it, has arguably a true 0 point (no ability to join any pieces in 2 minutes), I can arguably say someone with both a verbal and spatial IQ of 110 is twice as verbally smart as the average person, but only 33% smarter spatially. Thus despite being equally ranked in both domains, they’ll be much more dominant verbally. This may help explain why people with high verbal IQs make more money on average than their spatially gifted counterparts.
Pumpkin Person 
“I converted all jig-saw scores to age adjusted jig-saw scores by deducting 0.33 points points for each year below 32 you are when you took the test (up to a maximum of seven years).”
Does this mean you stop lowering scores at age 7 or 25?
25
People that make the most money in civilised parts of the world i.e. east asia and the West are very high in quant not verbal IQ. As we know, quant correlates more with spatial than verbal. So explain that Puppy.
That’s not necessarily true. Jews are good at math but relatively weak at spatial. Math genius Ted Kaczynski’s WAIS-R results were Verbal Score of 138, Performance Score of 124, and Full Scale Score of 136.
Math requires abstract reasoning & symbol manipulation which are arguably verbal traits. Spatial IQ is more about manipulating objects in your mind’s eye: imagination. That’s useful for some types of math like geometry & multi-dimensional reasoning. Math pretty much uses both verbal and spatial which is probably why it’s so g loaded.
Well you think memorising the dictionary is g loaded so what do you know
No I think vocabulary is g loaded. You think vocabulary is a function of dictionary memorizing because you lack the theory of mind to imagine how it’s actually acquired
LOL I burst out laughing when I read your response. I have the theory of mind precisely to know what kind of life a normal person lives and what words he might be exposed to.
Dude you haven’t taken a shower in over a year. You don’t even have the Theory of Mind to know how utterly disgusting everyone finds you. And I guarantee you’ve been exposed to every word in my crossword, you just don’t recognize the definitions. None of them are obscure words.
Also explain puppy why east asians are great at math but never make any breakthroughs in math theory. All the biggest advances – algebra, calculus, statistics….all of these were invented by non east asians.
More evolved people have the good manners not to question their teacher
Always suspicious if this type of response is sarcastic or just silly.
More evolved people invent things but don’t hollaback, and it takes a beloved 89-year old MIT math professor to finally give them credit in his very last lecture. In this case, for linear algebra. A class that is taken after half the physics, math and engineering students have been weeded out in first-year calculus. AKA the foundation of modern science.
How do you solve a system of n equations in n unknowns? “How do we proceed? Well, the idea comes thousands of years ago in China…”
That’s kind of the lack of social intelligence that people talk about with East Asians (true or not). If you invent/discover something and don’t recognize it being important or its utility, or are unable to impart it to others, doesn’t that mean you are less intelligent in that way? Given that the whole point of creating and discovering things is for the utility or meaning it provides. (Although one can be unconvincing to others for reasons not related to intelligence like ugliness or weirdness, since those things are somewhat correlated with lack of intelligence it should balance out).
@Lurker What makes you think they didn’t use it or recognize its utility? By getting “credit” I mean credit or recognition in the West, where people tend to make uninformed claims like Philosopher’s that all the great advances were made by non-east Asians. The Chinese certainly understood its utility; for instance, said linear equations were applied to irrigation problems posed in, for example, The Nine Chapters of the Mathematical Art (1st c. A.D.). In the fifth century, Zu Chongzhi worked out the closest approx. for pi that stood for 900 years, using a theory that demonstrated an understanding of limits and infinitesimals, which are predecessors of calculus. Indeed much of Chinese mathematical writing is couched in terms of the approach and solution of well-defined problems, both practical and abstract. As for not promoting their work abroad, the fact that they lacked missionary zeal does not mean they lack social intelligence or don’t understand the importance of their own work; it simply means they’re more interested in doing the work than promoting it. That would probably describe most top university professors.
In my experience autistic people don’t understand poetry at all. They just don’t understand why someone would talk like that.
I believe i’m on broader autism phenotype and i write poetry, lots of them since i started.
Youre not autisitic Santo
Not enough but i have some traits in high expression. Adhd can be another diagnosis.
You have zero autistic traits.
Are you great at math?
Can you read peoples facial expressions?
Do you get bored easily? (Clealry yes if you say you have adhd which means you cant be autistic)
Is one leg shorter than the other?
Etc
You tick none of the boxed and youre comments are too expressive and charismatic to be an autist.
I read somewhere adhd and autism are the same condition because their overlaping.
Well, recently in my town i seeing a real autistic person, younger, white and look completely oblivious to his sorrounding when he is walking on the streets, always look to the ground. I tend to look to the ground but to avoid killing ants and other insects but i’m very interested on everything around me. Just a single example.
I have one leg bigger than other, i tend to walk awkwardly.
I have difficulty in social interactions but it happens mostly because i dont want to submit my personality to be accepted by mainstream standards. I know i could cut off my hair because people tell me i look better with shorter hair but again by what?? I care to myself first. If people find me less attractive with long hair i’m so sorry but my opinion about myself come first.
I have lots of traits directly and indirectly related with broader mental disorders not just autism. Frankly speaking, i’m thinking in faking or exagerating my behavior in front of the psychiatrician i will consult. I want to retire way earlier by a combination of unfavorable factors, intrinsic and extrinsic.
Could i? Should i?
Ok thats a major red flag about one leg being shorter than the other. Are you 100% sure about that? Did you get it measured?
If this is the case, then you are probably on the spectrum then.
But ADHD is the opposite of autism, even more so than schiz. I’d say at least 50% of blacks have ADHD and 1 % of east asians.
https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/decoding-overlap-autism-adhd/#:~:text=An%20estimated%2030%20to%2080,look%20for%20common%20biological%20roots.
I doubt that every autistic has one leg bigger than the other.
Anyway, my interactions with autistic people on the internet have been terrible.
Yeah, Philo is dumb.
ADHD has considerable symptom overlap with autism. That’s why some researchers believe they are a part of a broader disorder.
And for the nth time, schizophrenia is NOT the opposite of autism. You can have both at the same time.
Melo you are the dumbest person about psychology in the world. You dont know what autism is clearly. You said anime didnt have autism. You said you yourself has autism. You are all over the place.
“You are all over the place.”
I’m actually not. It’s very consistent with what Autism is. You just don’t know what the symptoms are. Being good at math is not autism. Having a short leg is not autism.
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/autism-spectrum-disorders-asd
Educate yourself.
On your previous test pp, the rate of increase was double every 10 IQ points. This new spatial test should double every 25 IQ points.
Spatial IQ has two forms: algebraic recursive and shape fitting. Unfortunately, your test pp does not take into account 3D shapes or abstractness. So the geometric decrease in speed may result from the breadth of perception not so much depth of abstraction or perspective shifting. Not sure but something more to do with placement speed.
Perspective has to do with the dimensionality of objects. Recursiveness has to do with the folding and unfolding of symbolic reference frames. It also does not take into account dynamic systematology in moving objects i.e. geometric temporal sequencing.
I am just saying there are jigsaw puzzles a lot more complicated than this one. That requires you to think in real-time as the pieces move together as a dynamic fluid system. It is the reason humans are able to make tools for a purpose and use them.
Well well well… It seems that effect sizes on complex traits are pretty much identical across ancestry groups.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-023-01338-6
fantastic news
“Nature”
Bubblepsychology. Why not write in normal way?? Maybe is because “danish” is such a difficult language…
Being against or cautious about indoctrinated and em masse mixing race IS not morally wrong because it is not racist. Actually want the human populations stay the same as they has been for centuries is anti-racist.
RR is (((globalist)))
Great point Santo.
And the communists have a point about economies, which is that coercion is always involved to some extent. Regardless of whether you have a nation colonizing another nation and genociding them, mixing with them and enslaving them, or what we have today which is globalists pushing race mixing for a mix of nefarious purposes and/or their naive beliefs of physicalist transhumanism and liberals doing the same because of their blank slatist “we are all the human race”, there is always some sort of coercion going on due to an imbalance of powers.
Mixing races is great when you can eliminate coercion… unfortunately that’s a never-ending battle, which is one thing communists don’t understand. Imbalances are built in to reality and are part of how we separate the good from the bad and progress… including (seemingly) at the genetic level.
Exactly what i thought. And another problem of mixing race indoctrination is its frivolous nature if anyway all miscigenation when stabilized produce a new population. RR is like an individual from an outer party of 1984’s Oceania hierarchy. If he thinks he is helping to build a better world he is totally delusional because this “better world” is being constructed throught unfair generalized criminalization of ordinary white people, blaming an abstract and or vaguely defined group. It’s like claiming the guilt for slavery of africans in Americas is of white people while literally speaking the guilt is of european monarchies, specially. The globalist “elites” found a perfect scapegoat but i think it’s all about revenge being commited by danes against white non danes.
I don’t think it’s so much revenge but just feeling of “we’re better off without them. Asians are just as smart and a lot better behaved”
Like, ”look, we took your country. Now, we’re going to replace you with others. That’s called empathy”
”better behaved”
Is height a complex trait?
“polygenic height scores in the modern Western Balkan populations are only moderate or below average. For example, the preprint by Berg et al. [41] estimated medium height in present-day Croats and predicted the highest values in Icelanders, Englishmen, and Scots. At the same time, English and Scottish males reach only ~178 cm, despite a long historical lead in industrial development, whereas Croats are almost 3 cm taller. This discrepancy raises legitimate questions about the accuracy and population-specificity of these predictions. A later study by Sohail et al. [39] used presumably unconfounded SNPs based on British individuals from the UK Biobank, but these markers also produced only low-to-medium polygenic scores in a small POPRES sample from the former Yugoslavia (n = 44). This finding is even more problematic because height means in the Western Balkans are among the highest that have ever been documented in any human group, and five countries of the former Yugoslavia are among the top 13 tallest in the world. Therefore, it is very difficult to imagine that the local populations would be endowed with below-average genetic predispositions in the European context. An alternative explanation must work with the possibility that polygenic height scores derived from Western Europeans are not usable for the Western Balkans and the genetic variation in height in Europe is underestimated.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9138385/
I was surprised when I found out about this. I guess there are some Balkan-specific height mutations that weren’t present in the training set, so expanding the training set to Balkans would probably make better polygenic estimations. Still, this makes one wonder if other populations could have had similar instances of having mutations for a trait not found outside of the population, the lack of which in a training set could influence the accuracy of the polygenic scores for the said population.
The key term in the paper you cited is common variants.
Its the same in economics. You look at someone like [redacted by pp, 2023-08-24] and how he would approach economics. You ask him why a person has kids and he would say they calculate the net present value of the cashflows from the child using a the yield curve as probabilistic inference on the discount rate.
It would blow his mind to just say that the majority of humans were produced because people enjoy sex.
I took both your verbal test and spatial test pp. My verbal was 120 and my spatial was 130 so what would be my composite score?
more data is needed before i can answer that question
This why your test is so stupid. Anime doesnt have a 120 verbal IQ lol. He can’t even spell common words properly. He has a severe Quant verbal gap going on which I’m sorry to say, is a common symptom of autism.
Because of your low empathy, you have zero understanding of autism, schizophrenia, or any other mental condition.
His verbal IQ is even higher as measured by the Wechsler which is the gold standard.
He can be extremely verbally intelligent sometimes but other times he regresses to very childlike writing style, even referring to himself in third person. I can see how you might consider this to be an autistic lack of social awareness but one could also argue it’s a transient detachment from reality. A psychotic break.
And there’s no consistent evidence of a quant > verbal gap. Like me he can be obsessive with numbers though.
Do you think anime has autism?
Anime’s social intelligence is basically zero by the way. There are literally animals like dogs and cats that have higher social IQs and they’re not even human.
You don’t know what social intelligence is.
You believe that social intelligence is the ability to take advantage of others.
Yes I think one reason pill thinks your social IQ is so low is because you’re an exceptionally nice person. Even your profile pic is of kittens.
Society (and Pill in particular) tends to equate niceness with naivete and this is true to some degree.
Pill hates nice men because they remind him of his mentally retarded but super nice father. Pill attacks you as a way of coping with his own self-hatred for carrying that man’s genes. He sees you as the super nice retardate while he’s the psycho with the axe
It’s not that low, it just seems that way because most people here are so sophisticated and because Anime himself is so smart in other areas and because he grew up in extreme dysfunction and sometimes has psychotic breaks where he talks about himself in Third Person.
You two just don’t get it.
Anime is the most obvious autistic person on this blog by far. He can’t make friends. Can;t interact with people. Can’t understand sarcasm or irony. Has no sense of humour. Obsessed with quantifying anything no matter how ridiculous or spurious the assertion. Talks like a robot using very formal words when simple ones will do. Can’t interact with women. Can’t see images in his head. Very sensitive to people.
Do you want me to go on?
Anime is literally the dictionary definition of an autist.
You two just don’t get it.
I get that he’s very weird but there could be other reasons
Can’t understand sarcasm or irony.
Bullshit
Has no sense of humour.
Most people posting in science blogs seldom say anything all that funny. Some people are just serious.
Obsessed with quantifying anything no matter how ridiculous or spurious the assertion.
True
Talks like a robot using very formal words when simple ones will do.
Not always. He can be lucid and insightful at times but then regresses into a very childlike state.
Can’t see images in his head.
How would you know?
Anime is not autistic. He just has some psychological issues that give him some symptoms that overlap with Autism.
Anime didnt have a diagnosis??
lol only 131 and im younger than 31
this test is bad
I propose to guest post and put out an autism questionnaire like I basically did with Santo above.
Obviously quant-verbal gap and 1 leg being shorter than the other will be on the questionnaire.
Sounds interesting
How can you make a test for autism if your empathy is too low to understand what autism is?
Certain items like not having an imagination or not being able to recongise different faces in a room like Bruno would be weighted much heavier.
You have no imagination or creativity.
No offense, but you can’t really just make symptoms and claim, “that’s what autism is.”
You don’t have the intelligence for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were autistic tbh. You have sensory issues and socialization problems as evidenced by your inability to take a shower when clearly everyone wants you to.
Youre an idiot which is even worse than autism.
So I was right, Santo does have autism. That means Philo’s theory is wrong again. Anti-semites can be autistic.
No one’s safe.
That was actually my theory LOL! Not so much that they can’t be autistic but rather that autism (at least in white gentiles) is negatively correlated with anti-semitism.
Like I said you are a fucking idiot about psychology Melo. You don’t understand what the term autism means.
Santo not liking danes is basically strong evidence he isn’t autistic.
Personally I don’t think Santo is autistic, especially compared to some of others here.
Being on the broad spectrum of autism does not officially make you autistic.
I am not anti-Semitic.
If for you, not being anti-Semitic is the same as putting Jews on the pedestal of intelligence, kindness and innocence.
So, according to the formula, my Spatial IQ is 136 and my Verbal is 135. I feel like the Vocab test is probably overestimating verbal intelligence.
The spatial IQ kind of makes sense because I was a carpenter, and I’m really good at manipulating objects. I’m in tech now, working for a Fortune 100 company. My job is entirely problem-solving. If this were 20,000 years ago, I’d be the guy making everyone’s tools.
Direct relatives of autistic people tend to present more expressive characteristics of the condition, compared to people without autistic blood relatives.
But it can also manifest itself in individuals without autistic relatives.
The broad phenotype of autism is not diagnosable as a neuropsychiatric condition.
I will have to appeal…
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/schizophrenia-prevalence-may-threefold-higher-people-autism/
will you do a combined score for both puzzles
Il’ll do a combined score for all the subtests I include in my battery,
neat, what other sub tests are you planning?
Comprehension, Picture Arrangement, PATMA, and several more I have yet to publish.
great, i’ll be interested to see how it compares to the cait