Genetic evidence suggests the ancestors of Native Americans split from Siberians and East Asians about 25,000 years ago, perhaps when entering the now mostly drowned landmass of Beringia, which bridged North America and the Russian Far East. Thus any cognitive differences between Native Americans and East Asians may tell us a great deal about the very final stages of human evolution.
161 Native Americans (mean age about 57) were administered a battery of cognitive tests including the verbal abstract reasoning and spatial analytical reasoning subtests of the WAIS-R on which they averaged raw scores of about 9.5 and 25.3 respectively. For their age group, this equates to IQ equivalents of 85 and 105 respectively (U.S. norms) or about 82 and 103 (white norms). However correcting for the Flynn Effect (the study is from 1992 and the WAIS-R was normed in 1978) reduces the verbal IQ to 79 and their spatial IQ to 100. Given the 0.56 correlation between these two subtests in the 55-64 year-old age group, this works out to a composite IQ of 88. The participants were from the Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation in South Dakota. About 52% had completed high school compared to 65.5% of Native Americans adults in general in 1990.
To put this in perspective, on the same subtests, black Americans would average a verbal IQ of 89, a spatial IQ of 83 and a composite IQ of 84 (white norms). But considering that black Americans are about 25% white on the genetic level, correcting for white admixture gives verbal IQ 85, spatial IQ 77, and composite IQ 79.
On the same two subtests, Japanese 16-year-olds average a verbal IQ of 102 , a spatial IQ of 116 and a composite IQ of 110.
It makes sense that Native Americans would have a higher spatial IQ than unmixed black Americans (100 vs 77) given the extreme selection pressure of the Last Glacial Maximum and the visual-motor skills needed to sew clothing, build fire, make shelter, hunt mega fauna etc. But it’s curious that Native Americans should have a lower verbal IQ than unmixed black Americans (85 vs 79) and much lower than East Asians (102 vs 79).
Given that East Asians and Native Americans are both mongoloid, it’s interesting that they should both show such a huge verbal < spatial IQ gap. As Richard Lynn speculated, the extreme cold of Northern Siberia likely caused evolution to select enhanced spatial ability at the expense of verbal skills, with the left hemisphere of the brain (normally reserved for language) forced to take on more spatial processing.
But what explains the huge East Asian > Native American IQ gap? What happened in the last 25,000 years to drive these two cousins apart? Perhaps the common ancestor of East Asians and Native Americans would have scored like Native Americans today (verbal IQ 79, spatial IQ 100) but civilization in East Asia raised their verbal IQ 23 points, and since the verbal and spatial subtests correlate 0.56, a verbal increase of 1.5 SD would cause a spatial increase of about 1 SD.
Similarly, the fact that blacks have higher verbal IQ than Native Americans might also be explained by black Africa (located near the Middle East) having more exposure to civilization than the Northern Americas.
[UPDATE MAY 11, 2023, a previous version of this article contained a mathematical typo that was corrected after exposed in the comment section]
why was my comment on a previous post not uploaded Pumpkin? you gotta problem?
supposedly…
RR and Melo dont understand that trust is the opposite of fear. this is so much deeper than you would expect.
East Asians are not superior i am superior
Blacks are the most Machiavellian
maybe Mexicans beat them because of Mexican Millenials being Machiavellian. try saying that five times.
thanks Anime for posting my comment ❤
the nazis thought of ne asians as equals…just different…or so i have read. (rosenberg said so of the chinese. hitler said so of the japanese.)
along with persians and indians…equals!
equals!
did they even have some stupid theory about injuns?
all i know about the nazis i learned from public tv. seriously! i’ve read a shit ton about stalin…relatively nothing about hitler…
but reading the very un-theoretical book The Law of Blood i was un-pleasantly chuffed that my own theorizing about the nazis from BBC documentaries was not only approximately true…
well maybe its french author was LYING. maybe.
maybe i just thought what the BBC wanted me to think…and wanted him to think…but french pipo and british pipo…don’t mix!
it’s kind of painful to read that all your theories were right.
i am distantly related to Josef Stalin because of haplogroup G i know we share the same cold blood!
mugabe: a PBGV won westminster today.
rr: wuhtchootalkinbout mugabe?
mugabe: the dog show…
rr: what?
mugabe: why do border collies win LITERALLY ALL the obedience contests?
rr: dog racism…wait…animals don’t have minds…error error…self-destruct mechanism activated…
LOL
my biggest problem is i like to think with my conscious mind. i dont like to think with my subconscious unless im sleeping or actively associating things together.
anyways how do you guys kill time? i dont work so i need to know how to be putting my murderous thoughts (against time of course) to good use.
make an argument for why absolute monarchy is the best form of government.
make an argument for why somewhat limited monarchy is the best form of government.
make an argument for why republicanism is the worst form of government.
Japan
England
Republic of the Congo
4th IQ questions:
Republic of Korea
The Czar Russia
The Kaiser Germany
we get better with trial and error maybe a reasoning for why this is a simulation (something i believe is possible) rather than the existence of God being real.
it is profound that we have reached the year 2023 with trial and error being a state of mind rather than a conscious action at times.
You have poor samples pp.
First of all 95% of the population was killed by disease. We do not know if this killed the high-IQ natives or the low-IQ natives. All we have is what is left.
North Dakota was one of the last settled by natives.
Argentina first
Peru
Yucatan
Southwest
Upper west
Cannada
Alaska last.
Mesoamerica had a calendar superior to Europeans but not the Vedic Calendar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar
Stonework by natives was very sophisticated.
Base 20 number system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
Good point. You need to see this peeps.
google(number of tribes of native americans)
Federally recognized American Indian tribes and Alaska Native entities. The federal government recognizes 574 Native American tribes in the continental U.S. and Alaska.
google(number of native tribes in south america)
There are 826 different indigenous peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean, with an estimated population of 58 million people (ECLAC, 2014) (Table 1).
Native Americans are superior to East Indians.
All of that can be done with a high IQ right end of the bell curve even if the average is low. Look at Egypt for example, was the average peasant capable of producing that? No. And I say that as someone who thinks civilization is overrated.
If this is the case Mr. Chetto where are they in the samples?
We have no records of Egyptians taking IQ tests, all the high-IQ Egyptians are dead presumably?
So all the high-IQ natives were killed and that is why they were not represented?
We do not know what IQ was like 10 thousand, 5 thousand or 1 thousand years ago.
CWT cannot tell us how much IQ fluctuated during now and the last Ice Age in the Americas.
It could have fluctuated drastically.
And pp still has a low sample for his estimations.
it’s like rr reasoning that animals have no minds or reparations are a good idea…if you’re like me (very rare) you say to yourself, “must be something wrong with my argument because the conclusion is OBVIOUSLY false.”
but rr is a psychopath and a retard so this doesn’t happen for him.
the nazis had yuge social pressure and were in a war. rr doesn’t have that.
mugabe is the guy with folded arms. rr and peepee are all the other north korean germans. germans are the creepy asians of europe.
peepee probably thinks north koreans secretly hate kim jong un. but are too timid to overthrow him. wrong. they sincerely love him. because he has total control of north korean media and education.
it’s like when there are no comments for 6 days and then suddenly 100 comments.
When no new content gets posted, comments gradually decrease each day until they bottom out at zero and stay there. Then when new content appears, there is a flood of new comments. It’s not rocket science. No need for conspiracy theories.
No Mugabe is right. Puppy suppressed all my comments. Basically Puppy went on holiday or something and was too lazy to read and approve all the comments that built up so he just moderated everything. What an ass. I put a lot of time into those comments.
no i think the right tail was not that high for the right tail back then its much higher now!
i think the IQ of old civilizations aggregated in the medium a lot and that means that the average IQ mustve been high at least relative to geographic areas of the world today!
i think the Mayans had an IQ of a 100+ and maybe Africans 90+ when Europeans in the Dark and early Middle Ages had an IQ of ~90 maybe lower.
read Greg Clark’s “Farewell to Alms.” i havent because i dont read many books but it is effective in persuasion from what i can discern.
@illuminaticatblog
What do you mean by the following?
>If this is the case Mr. Chetto where are they in the samples?
>We have no records of Egyptians taking IQ tests, all the high-IQ Egyptians are dead presumably?
>So all the high-IQ natives were killed and that is why they were not represented?
^ I don’t know what you are trying to say here. Are you implying IQ doesn’t exist if it isn’t measured?
>We do not know what IQ was like 10 thousand, 5 thousand or 1 thousand years ago.
Okay, and? We can make some guestimations from polygenic scores, but aside from that we can also assume that it is the same average as modern Egyptians. Even with a sub-100 average IQ, you’d have enough high end IQ people to do something like that.
>CWT cannot tell us how much IQ fluctuated during now and the last Ice Age in the Americas.
Why would you bring that up? I don’t give much credence main CWT. It is strange to bring it up.
@LOADED
>no i think the right tail was not that high for the right tail back then its much higher now!
>i think the IQ of old civilizations aggregated in the medium a lot and that means that the average IQ mustve been high at least relative to geographic areas of the world today!
Historical development hasn’t been nearly as high compared to relatively recent development in the early modern period and for that matter today. By that logic, the average IQ should be much higher today. Not that I am going with this, but this is an extension of your suggestion.
“We can make some guestimations from polygenic scores”
There’s no reason to take this seriously, mainly due to the portability problem, and the pop strat problem.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929721004201
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0732118X1830196X
https://psyarxiv.com/kgz2t/
i suggested the opposite sorry. meant to say aggregates more in the medium than aggregates in the medium great reading comprehension on your part!
excellent work Flamin! Pumpkin please dont censor this i like this guy!
All I am asking Mr. Chetto is where are they being represented?
You do not know and pp does not know.
Low sample count.
>CTW
>Why would you bring that up?
I am talking about it because pp talks about it.
It s part of his blog post theory and all so I do not understand why you did not read the blog post?
161 people (pp’s sample) do not / cannot represent the 1,400 different ethnicities of natives in America.
i think the Mayans had an IQ of a 100+ and maybe Africans 90+ when Europeans in the Dark and early Middle Ages had an IQ of ~90 maybe lower.
read Greg Clark’s “Farewell to Alms.” i havent because i dont read many books but it is effective in persuasion from what i can discern.
^^
Loaded is the dumbest commenter here.
@illuminaticatblog
>I am talking about it because pp talks about it.
Then talk to him about it. I believe in innate IQ differences but I don’t back a single explanatory theory behind it.
>It s part of his blog post theory and all so I do not understand why you did not read the blog post?
You could not mention that in a reply to someone who isn’t backing it up.
>All I am asking Mr. Chetto is where are they being represented?
>You do not know and pp does not know.
>Low sample count.
One can extrapolate from what we know. That extrapolation can be inaccurate to whatever degree but at least it is something. Pointing to a bunch of piled rocks and saying that the people who built it as a whole must be really smart is something else. The people supervising and devising the plans probably only need to be around 4 sigma level. You can get more than a handful of those even if the population’s average IQ is 80 to 90 and the population size is a few million. In other words, you can get that kind of development out of a population that isn’t very smart. The people who devise it have to be smart, but the general population that these masterminds came from don’t.
“Given that East Asians and Native Americans are both mongoloid, it’s interesting that they should both show such a huge verbal > spatial IQ gap”
Sign is backward, should be <.
OMG, you’re right. I’ll correct. Good spatial IQ on your part to catch that!
that is what he is known for
only major thing Pill and I agree on is that life is a transaction
I never said that.
idgaf
LOL.
Trump’s performance during the town hall with CNN…basically people should study that if they want to get into politics. He completely dismembered E Jean Caroll’s character and neutralised the sexual abuse thing in 2 minutes.
Jesus Christ, no. Trump completely fumbled the Jean Caroll thing. Trump Supporters were going to vote for him either way, and Biden Supporters would not be swayed by CNN, which is already viewed as controlled opposition.
Which is funny because Trump Supporters view Fox in the same light, but obviously, CNN is actually a controlled opposition, whereas Trump supporters just call anything that doesn’t agree with them fake news.
So why did you ban all 15 comments the other day? Explain.
Pill you will never take responsibility for anything in your life and thats just sad.
LOL E Jean Caroll is going to sue trump again for his comments last night!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/11/trump-cnn-town-hall-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit
Trump said E Jean Caroll referred to her black husband as an ape.
Notice the subtlety and social genius of trump. Trump basically said to the republican voter: “You shouldn’t trust this woman because she married a black man”. But he said it a completely different way. Genius. His social IQ is the highest I’ve ever seen in a public facing person.
What Trump said is dumb. If that convinces conservatives to believe him Over caroll then are even more dumb. High school students use that kind of reasoning to defend themselves.
No high school student on planet earth has the social reasoning to appeal to racists in a pro-black way.
What pill calls social genius, most people would call evil genius. Trump is the most corrupt, dishonest and psychopathic person to ever occupy the white house and his supporters are the most morally bankrupt and low class people in the country.
They are a basket of deplorables; that’s one thing Hillary got right.
Dr. Oz tells a great story about being at a party with Trump. Trump was talking about some woman’s looks and then an older, very dignified woman approached him and asked playfully “do I look good, Donald?”
“You’d look better wet,” said Trump as he pushed her into the pool, making her the laughing stock of the event.
Horrible, horrible person. Pure evil.
you remind me a bit of Trump yourself Pumpkin. ngl.
“Trump is much more evil than Weinstein.”
You are such an idiot its unbelievable. One of them is a convicted mass rapist. The other is at worst guilty of sexual abuse of a crazy person in a civil case.
Weinstein was found guilty of third degree rape. Trump was found guilty of rape. More to the point, Trump raped the whole country by falsely claiming election fraud. He violated basic moral norms that no other leader of a Western country has violated. He incited violence against his loyal VP simply because that VP refused to cheat and lie enough for him.
Phil, who told you that talking about race is the only way to appeal to racists?
Peeps and pill, both weinstein and Trump are very evil. Just different kinds of evil. It is hard to measure evilness, so it is hard to say exactly who is more evill. Dont pull each other’s hair over this. They both are supremely evil.
Also somebody said down below that bush was nicer then Trump. I agree. He was/is also smarter and more normal than Trump. But I doubt he didn’t knew Iraq was being invaded for oil like peeps said. Even some normal people outaide politics knew this. He knew it. And hie is evil too because of this.
Iraq wan not invaded for oil, that’s what the neocons want the anti-war movement to think.
“More to the point, Trump raped the whole country by falsely claiming election fraud. He violated basic moral norms that no other leader of a Western country has violated. He incited violence against his loyal VP simply because that VP refused to cheat and lie enough for him.”
You say this like it matters when our constitution and basic morality is violated literally every second by multinational corporations and interests who command our so-called leaders. There were literally more than 2 million illegals who entered the US last year. This requires an equal reaction. I don’t really care about the mean words Trump said.
White people have hurt my feelings in the past, but I don’t hold it against the whole race. I realize they are still a lot better at creating societies than every other race, on the whole. Stop being a liberal cuck for every single nonwhite. You are literally what’s wrong with the West.
Sad.
Lmao, right? 100% a parody account.
>Iraq wan not invaded for oil
Oil is 100% why Iraq was invaded; LMAO.
A very common misconception.
Look, Melo has a low IQ. Thats why he thinks it was for the oil. If Melo was smart like me he would have looked up what actually happened to the oil. Newsflash – it didn’t go to Exxon Mobil.
Peeps and pill, if it wasn’t for oil why was iraq invaded?
Melo is literally a clown to make us laugh. He read the Mueller report. What more can we expect from a fucking carpenter? QED.
Peeps, I thought you said white admixture in blacks was 20%. Now you are saying 25%.
By the way has this been conclusively proven to be right? 20 % or 25%. Or are you just repeating what you read somewhere. That is a very big percentage because it indicates that at one point 50 % of blacks mated with whites, because these days you rarely see a black mating with a white. So at one point it had to be 50% in order to be 25% now.
Pakistani Pride!
The media is now criticising the audience for laughing at Trump’s takedown of E Jean Carroll. First of all it was actually funny. Second he actually logically made great arguments why E Jean Carroll is a ‘whackjob’. He made her sound deranged.
“But Trump was personally jubilant on the flight back to Florida and played It’s a Man’s World by James Brown, people familiar with the matter said.”
LOL what a legend.
Native Americans are yet more evidence that the cold winter theory doesnt explain much. They are only somewhat smarter than the blacks.
I would guess their memory is a lot better than blacks though. We have seen how hunter gatherers have massive memory banks due to non-existence of culture and writing.
According to Puppys very simplistic version of evolution, native americans should be smarter than east asians since they branched from them, right?
They are about 10 points smarter than “pure” blacks and as much as 20 points lower than East Asians. This suggests cold winters might explain about 1/3rd of racial IQ gaps.
Phil, Native Americans could have migrated south first if because if beringia existed for them to cross it must have been very cold above mexico.. So from Mexico to northern argentina they could have settled first. And they must have stayed there until north became habitable. And when did this happen.? 5000 to 4000B.C? So they spent more time in hotter climes than colder. Also as animosity said, the smartest of their people were wiped out by the Spanish. That depresses IQ. And if they are more prone to alcoholism than others , that does it too.
im not autistic for sure any one thinks dat is a dumbfuck i may be a little aspie but thats ok i have OCD and Tourette’s dats y lil nigs
Native American IQ is severely depressed due to genocide, depression, and alcoholism.
CWT is still retarded of course.
How does genocide depress IQ? They killed mostly the smartest people?
I mean, maybe. But really, I’m talking about how genocide completely destroyed their culture and society.
Peeps I remember reading somewhere and I don’t know how accurate it was but it said the smartest among native americans used to become priests and scribes and did other intellectual work. And spanish wiped them out wherever they existed. I think this how genocide decreases iq especially if it is targeted against the intellectual class of a community.
“Native American IQ is severely depressed due to genocide, depression, and alcoholism.”
Don’t forget blaming everyone else for their problems. That always depresses IQ when poor white people do it. When other races do it (blaming whitey) it has no effect on IQ. It’s an incredible coincidence.
Although it’s hard to say it is depressed when it would be lower if white settlers never came, just like Afro-American IQ.
False. All the smartest ones escaped or lived in America. e.g. Soros.
I think he was joking, but maybe I’m giving him too much credit.
Well if we go by this (old) chart, East Asians and Eskimos did the most branching but much depends on you lump people together
im an aesthetics perfectionist both visually and auditorily and touch as well.
i suspect i have synesthesia. that is why commenting is kind of weird at times i dont wanna fuck up the aesthetics of the blog at all.
it isnt autism Eric its just called being a perfectionist.
Whos Eric? Is that puppys real name? I would have guessed Muhammed.
I think he’s talking about me. I don’t know any other “Eric” that would have pull on RR’s blog.
yes you idiots “Eric” is short for “Erichthonius” whom i just learned about after watching a Greek myth doc!
how are you guys so dumb?
I knew you were talking about Melo immediately.
I hate my job so much. Its so boring. But it allows me a lot of time to sleep and mess around so I can’t leave it. Better the devil you know than you don’t right?
are you racist against Pakistanis now Pumpkin? Pakistan Zindabad and fuck Name! if you dont post any of my other comments towards him post this one at least!
Pakistanis and Indians are the exact same [name calling redacted by pp, 2023-May 12]. They were even the same country for most of recorded history. Noob.
you dumb Irish Traveller thats like saying Gypsies from Romania are the same as Irish Travellers. Pakistan has many many different ethnic groups im Pathan and Sindhi both being very smart and prestigious peoples. they are closest to Aryans.
plus India has a bunch of ethnic cultures too. India and Pakistan are very very different. different religions different genetics everything.
theyll find out in a decade if society survives that long that these people are very different. promise.
You two are literally genetically closer to each other than I am to an englishman.
>And pathans are considered closest to jews. Some people Including some pathaans themselves say that they are the lost tribe of Israel.
That is false. Pashtuns don’t have anything to do with Jews. Ashkenazim and Sephardim Jews derive most of their ancestry from Levantines similar to Palestinians, their second largest component is similar to Italians and Spaniards; and among the Ashkenazim there is a third component, a smaller one from Eastern Europe.
>they have something to do with Cochin Jews of India though and Bene Israel.
>these people may be converts to Judaism but Jews nonetheless.
Coastal Western Indian Jews have varying amounts of that original middle eastern Palestinian admixture, and most of their ancestry is local coastal Western Indian. Pashtuns don’t have any of it at all. If you ran a dumbed down admixture analysis which looks at Fst only Pashtuns would be closer to Palestinians than the Cochin Jews are because Pashtuns have more West Eurasian ancestry. But thats about it, and that doesn’t mean anything at all in this context since West Eurasian ancestry doesn’t help distinguish the actual Near-Eastern component from every other West Eurasian. A more specific breakdown:
Target: Cochin_Jew_B
Distance: 2.0382% / 0.02038174
45.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
29.0 Paniya
14.8 Palestinian
6.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
4.0 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA
Target: Cochin_Jew_A
Distance: 2.7561% / 0.02756088
43.4 Palestinian
25.4 Paniya
22.2 TKM_Gonur3_BA
9.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA
Target: Pashtun_Yusufzai
Distance: 1.4183% / 0.01418276
25.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
24.8 TKM_Gonur1_BA
18.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
16.4 Paniya
8.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
6.8 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 Palestinian
Target: Pashtun_Uthmankhel
Distance: 1.6866% / 0.01686625
39.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA
26.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
17.0 Paniya
14.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
3.4 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.0 Palestinian
Target: Pashtun_Tarkalani
Distance: 1.7182% / 0.01718166
26.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
22.8 TKM_Gonur1_BA
16.8 Paniya
15.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
12.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
7.2 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 Palestinian
Target: Pashtun_North_Afghanistan
Distance: 2.5208% / 0.02520763
39.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA
28.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
19.2 Paniya
13.4 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.0 Palestinian
Target: Pashtun_Kurram
Distance: 1.5835% / 0.01583461
29.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
29.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
24.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
14.4 Paniya
2.4 TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
0.0 Palestinian
How can Trump be evil and Bush who killed 150,000 people not be evil? Explain. Trump is ANTI WAR.
Actually Trump escalated drone strikes considerably. Bush was manipulated into war by the evil neocons. He thought he was liberating the Iraqi people & keeping America safe.
Bush is more evil than Trump and maybe dumber by a little but still cunning in a very evil way.
“He thought he was liberating the Iraqi people & keeping America safe.”
Your social intelligence is rock bottom if you believe that.
Your socially IQ is so low that despite being obsessed with the JQ for decades, you’ve been manipulated into thinking Bush was a evil mastermind instead of a useful idiot. Exactly what the neocons want you to think.
Paul Bremer Created ISIS when he fired all the Iraq military.
Biden let the Taliban take over because like Bush he had no plan. Trump had a plan for a peaceful withdrawal, incomplete because of Biden.
Trump is definitely more “evil” than Bush. Both are useful idiots, though.
Bush was a worse President than Trump, at least from a conventional standpoint.
No hes not clown boy. Bush killed at least 250,000 people. Trump killed nobody. QED.
Trump killed tons of people. Read about his drone strikes
Peeps, it is not absurd to assume that when so many countries need liberating from their despot leaders, rumsfeld and Cheney insisting on Iraq and iraq being rich in oil could have made Bush think it is for the oil. And correct me if I am wrong, but weren’t there normal american people who knew iraq was going to be attacked for oil and no wmd exiated there? If they existed, and if they knew do you think Bush wouldn’t have known that too, being the president?
Trump is anti war on paper but secretly he wants to win wars he wrote his book based on Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” meaning he likes winning things and he wants to win wars. he is impulsive almost as much as me maybe more.
anyways Bush was in it for the money Donald is already rich.
True…if donald duck would need winning wars to get what he wants I doubt he wouldn’t do that.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/may/12/rail-train-strikes-conservatives-rishi-sunak-aslef-uk-politics-latest-news
Looks like Labour is moving to toward sanity on immigration. If Labour move to anti open borders then obviously they will have my vote as I agree with them on economics already.
actually Punjabis might be closest to Aryans but they are very dumb. conmen.
take that Mug!
Pumpkin what would you estimate my verbal and spatial IQ to be? at least verbal since spatial would be hard to judge!
what do you think my strongpoints are cognitively and personality-wise?
i would like to know your opinion since i admire you dearly and think you are an expert on many things sincerely!
please answer Pumpkin im impatient to know what you think ive been loyal to you and served you humbly i know weve had our differences but youre the reason im still alive!
if you think Trump has an upper class entitlement you havent met me very well Pill.
Why am I not allowed call him an illegal immigrant?
Because he’s not one
Wow 20 years later and Puppy still thinks Bush was trying to bring democracy to Iraq…LOL.
20 years later Pill still doesn’t know Bush was a puppet for Zionist interests…LOL!
Pill spent the last 7 years telling us high IQ zionists run the wold and controls Presidents behind the scenes, but when it comes to the single best example of his thesis, he pulls a complete 180. What an utter fool.
FALSE. They told him to. Literally ordered him around. Theres literally a video of him stopping a major speech because the Israeli PM told him to answer his call.
You’re contradicting yourself. First you said he invaded Iraq because evil, now he’s just a slave following orders. Which is it?
Really poor verbal reasoning. You can be a slave and also do something evil. Obviously they rewarded him as well for beating up on muslims.
You can be a slave and also do something evil.
Of course, but if you do it under duress your culpability is less. I’m VERY concerned that your IQ isn’t high enough to talk to me.
So if someone tells you to kill 250,000 people and you do it, who goes to jail for that?
Thats right. QED.
Trump’s the one who’s been arrested, not Bush. QED
You have very low social intelligence not to make that inference. I’m sorry. But if you had intuition you would get it and not need me to explain it.
In other words you lack the verbal IQ to win the debate so you’re reverting to ad hominem.
Pill youre my bitch ok?
We also should have social IQ tests for the army. Can you imagine Puppy in the army? HAHAHA. He would keep saying the enemy doesn’t understand we are trying to bring democracy to them and we need to spend more money telling them that. LOL.
We don’t have to imagine because I actually was in the army, unlike you. Artillery. I quit to get away from the white trashes (as Afro would say).
novelty seeking will make you impulsive in my case or very conscientious in the case of Anime. usually.
Pill never stands on his words or his actions. he is bitch made.
Why is he allowed call me a bitch and I can’t call him a dumbass?
Because life’s not fair.
Pumpkin i dont mean to pry but whats your net worth and salary? also Eric tell RR to post my comments on his blog
It’s way up there
can you tell Eric to tell RR to post my comments on his blog tho cmon man
RR has strict standards for his comment section
RR is a massive FAGGOT. He just censors whatever he doesn’t want to hear and then goes on other blogs to troll people with his blank slate garbage.
Hey PP, I recently had to take the TSIA exam. If I gave you my scores could you correlate that to an IQ score?
Also, why did you think anybody would buy your blog for $100K? If they did the value would plummet. The only reason I could see someone buying it would be to stop discussion about HBD.
For a little while, I thought maybe you sold it and some other shlub was running it without telling us, but I don’t think anyone could emulate your writing that well. It would be pretty obvious if it got handed off to someone else.
i like your username its so true! sincerely!
i would do a good job of impersonating Pumpkin for a little while i bet. wouldnt be great but i could give it a shot!
>Given that East Asians and Native Americans are both mongoloid
Actually, only 60% of Native American ancestry is Mongoloid. The other 40% is Ancient North Eurasian.
Look^, another Redditor.
How many redditors know what an Ancient North Eurasian even is? “Symmetry tests using f4 statistics
reject tree-like clade relationships with both Early West Eurasians (EWE; Sunghir) and Early
East Asians (EEA; Tianyuan); however, Yana is genetically closer to EWE, despite its
geographic location in northeastern Siberia (Extended Data Fig. 3d, Extended Data Table 2;
Supplementary Information 6). Using admixture graphs (qpGraph) and outgroup-based
estimation of mixture proportions (qpAdm), we find that Yana can be modelled as EWE with
~25% contribution from EEA (Figure 2; Extended Data Fig. 3; Supplementary Information
6). Further estimates from demographic modelling of the high-coverage individual Yana1
using a site frequency spectrum (SFS)–based framework indicate an early divergence and
mixture of the Yana lineage at ~39 kya (32.2-45.8), receiving 29.2% (21.3-40.1) contribution
from EEA, which likely occurred very soon after the divergence of West Eurasians (EWE)
and East Asians (EEA) (33.4-48.6 kya)”
From https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/448829v1.full.pdf
I get similar results here:
Target: RUS_Yana_UP
Distance: 4.5622% / 0.04562155
58.2 RUS_Kostenki14
29.2 CHN_Tianyuan
12.6 BEL_GoyetQ116-1
Pumpkin you know im a risk-taker right? like the biggest risk-taker on this blog by far.
obviously not in the world but still. i risk it all sometimes.
“ethical intuitionism” and “moral sense theory” are the anal names for what went wrong with the nazis.
they had “ethical intuition” and “moral sense”…but they VERY CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE to ignore them.
that is: what they did was rational given the propositions they had firmly committed to beforehand, given what they believed with certainty, and…
they hated what they did but like kurtz regarded their ability still to do it as a virtue.
that is: when their certainties and arguments led to acts they themselves found revolting and evil they didn’t say to themselves, “wait. i can’t do this. this is evil.” they just did it and patted themselves on the back like kurtz…for their “strength”.
Puppy…why do you allow Mugabe to talk about nazis literally every week and I am not allowed even mention them. Whats going on there? Is it because my points are more profound and less verbose? I just don’t get it. You let him say neoliberal about 80 times too.
Pill youre Welsh. Welsh people are literal subhumans. sorry man.
Pumpkin where are my comments?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-rubin-warns-that-the-u-s-is-failing-to-face-its-problems-16c7dcdb?mod=e2li
Wow. Obamas boss is writing a new book.
im the smartest dude here. im smart because im resilient and vice versa!
You are actually the dumbest. I’m not saying that to hurt your feelings. I’m being stone cold objective.
im smarter than you by a lot dude admit it. you dont have my persona either youre a cynical loser!
wtf happened to the rest of my comments sand nigger!
LOL YOU ARE A SAND NIGGER. Why are u calling puppy one?
you have a very high openness Flamin greater in ways that i never expected. very high IQ. wow.
are you really autistic though? i think thats a dealbreaker otherwise id date you!
I had a friend who had aspergers growing up. Me and him were very close so I have a very deep appreciation and knowledge of how an autist thinks and why he does things. Thats why when I said if you ask chatgpt or Bruno open ended questions you can frazzle them because autistic people aren’t able to think philosophically i.e. why this or why that.
Prove it. Create such a test and I’ll collect the data. Talk is cheap. Science is deep. But no questions where you have to be racist or antisemetic to get the right answer.
Pill just says things that are common knowledge. i say deep things that hit deep.
there is a big gulf between us!
Autistic people have excellent work ethics. They never get bored with extremely boring tasks. This was one of the reasons I thought they had been bred to be modern workers. I’m the exact opposite. I have to drink whiskey before doing really boring tasks. I hate going to work. I wish I could play games all day. A person with autism would suggest I would be a parasite off their work if I did that and they would be 100% correct.
People who can code or do engineering make excellent salaries because (a) it takes a high IQ to do those things and not many people by definition have it and (b) around 30% of people with high IQs find engineering and computer coding really boring and then (c) another 30% were born with no opportunities to go university so basically theres only a tiny amount of the population that can do engineering and coding.
My cousin is an engineer but he doesn’t have autism. He is socially naive though. But speaking to him, after about 5 minutes I realised he was neurotypical.
I don’t think you need university to do coding.
you really dont its simple to learn!
You don’t. I’m pretty good at Python, but obviously, I’m not in uni. Python is pretty easy, though.
did you ever attempt at upper level schooling Melo? i think you would do good in certain majors/subjects.
I may get a bachelors in CS. Not sure yet.
cool. i already have a Bachelors in finance but i may pursue a Masters if i get in good mental health and think its worth my time!
Is pp paying you to write comments that generate more comments, pill? I ask thos because you also keep saying to loaded that he has indian ancestry despite him showing disinterest in that topic many times. You say that and he denies it and criticises indians, i come in and criticize Pakistanis leading to the generation of lot of comments on this site. You keep saying that to loaded over and over and over. And you criticize blacks again and again and again despite nobody talking about it, which again leads to generation of comments here. It is like you purposefully write comments that generate more comments.
thanks for being mature. yes Pill is scum. he is a scumbag. he deserves a good asswhooping for always trying to beat down on the little man but little does he know im twice the man he is!
When Ganzir said he didn’t realise people have sex in relationships until he was 21 it made me think about autists in academia writing about economics….how many of them know that people make babies because it feels good having sex and not because they need to support themselves in old age….like 5%?
99% of economics textbooks literally say people have babies because they need children to be their pension.
I’m 100% not kidding. I did economics and read the textbooks and thats exactly what they say.
yeah. totally never heard of Cynicism. pipo are evolved to have chirren. when they don’t have them there’s something missing. but at the same time pipo are NOT evolved to take care of chirren past the age of 4. 10,000+ years ago the band raised the chirren post age 4.
We evolved to want sex. No evidence we evolved to want children.
you’re not thinking again.
some people don’t want chirren, choose not to have chirren. other pipo, most pipo, who can’t have chirren of their own hate it.
i’m not saying i’m in the majority.
just saying barren women and infertile men find never having chirren depressing.
so one phenomenon is old dudes who chose not have chirren when they were younger even though they had lots of money and then get “the itch”. david letterman, don imus, steve martin, george clooney, etc…
The human sex drive is more than sufficient to explain why humans have children. Look at all the men who have destroyed their careers over sex. That tells me the sex drive is so strong, any desire to have children would be superfluous and we didn’t even know how babies were made so such a desire could not have been selected until recently.
>No evidence we evolved to want children.
no evidence for k selection?
We evolved to love our children once we had them, but that’s different from evolving to want them.
people have a natural drive to have children bred by the need to take care of them and to tend to them and this is demonstrated by the nurturing instincts of humans both male and female.
cmon guys! we all know this!
nicely put Anime i think this disproves Pumpkin very well. nice work bro!
The human sex drive is more than sufficient to explain why humans have children.
PRIOR to effective contraception ONLY.
even total retards KNOW that such is available.
your theory FAILS.
in the developed world literally no one has chirren just because muh sex drive.
So there’s been massive natural selection for a psychological trait (wanting kids) since effective contraception. Who’s the HBDer now?
…and we didn’t even know how babies were made…
^^^racism^^^
…against people who lived a long time ago or still live as savages today in the amazon, new guinea, the andamans…
they knew that fucking made babies…
because they weren’t retarded.
duh!
Even if they had some crude idea of how babies were made, that wasn’t there motive for having sex. It’s like saying we evolved to want to be well fed. No dumbass. We were hungry, so we ate.
it totally absolutely SUCKS for women…
because very few women can have chirren past 50…
yet men can have chirren…
forever.
this is human sexual dimorphism…it’s NOT the same in any other species of mammal…is it?
chris langan supposedly admitted in the Esquire article that he was rendered helpless by a beautiful women.
this is a thing.
but such women are very rare.
sadly.
i saw one at the store today with her boyfriend. i determined i was taller than her boyfriend, more robust, and just sexier…like her boyfriend had a small head…
but she had tattoos. gross.
but she looked so happy like her small-headed boyfriend was gonna fuck her right.
pathetic.
So there’s been massive natural selection for a psychological trait (wanting kids) since effective contraception. Who’s the HBDer now?
THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID.
EXACT!
USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE.
TELL US WHAT YOUR RACIAL AND LINGUISTIC BACKGROUND IS!
You don’t even know what you said. Your working memory is shot
Mug im very large skulled with a 23 inch circumference head size at 5 4 and a half inches tall. i also wear size 11 mens shoes (just to clarify lol).
i think my penis girth is also pretty good. im circumcised btw i bet you are too being Catholic and all. i got my circumcision at the age of 4 or 5 and it left me scarred literally and figuratively lmao.
but yeah im very robust i think i could box with you. im not scared of people bigger than me unless theyre giants or just psychopaths.
“We evolved to love our children once we had them, but that’s different from evolving to want them.”
And yet people in surveys still say they want 2.5 kids, and largely prefer biological ones. It seems like we love (the idea of) our kids before we have them.
That’s probably just a side-effect of evolving to want them once we had them. I doubt there was DIRECT selection to want them before we had them.
Yes, that’s what I was getting at. Still contradicts the idea that it’s all sex drive.
so your theory is also bullshit.
every savage on sentinel island knows that fucking is gonna make chirren.
Pill exaggerates to the point where its just straight lying.
my bad.
i meant “superrational” not “hyper-rational”. hyper is greek and super and rational are latin. i hate myself for making that mistake. never combine greek and latin in neologisms.
even though “hyper” is greek for latin “super”.
https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_cZfAMKrVZHbunMKkClnBCBIlaCFp1LW
or did he say “supra”-rational?
it doesn’t matter.
the point is rationality is always confined to a theory which it cannot criticize…or even recognize as such…for poor sods like rr and pill.
an advantage of studying higher maths.
my ideal religion would be Catholicism+Sufism+Egyptian mythology honestly.
whats yours?
“the point is rationality is always confined to a theory which it cannot criticize”
Basically, where the “hate side” of my love-hate relationship with analytic philosophy comes from.
i keep that kush from Afghanistan (from Sweden like the artist rapping per se)
Mr Pumpkin Person.
I see that you on occasion speculate about fictional IQs. I was wondering if you could write about Daria Morgendorffer, the titular character of the iconic MTV series. She was a ‘brain’ but at an easy high school.
I wonder what conclusions you would reach about her intellect.
Thank You for your stellar blog
I’m sad to say I’ve never seen the show.
most of those girls are vapid anyways in those stereotypical teenage female high school shows!
they might have high IQs though and high conscientiousness more so but they lack critical thinking and a variety of other traits!