I believe that the human mind was built by two rather opposing selection pressures. 1) cold climate which selects for bigger brains, either directly because of thermoregulation, or indirectly because it takes intelligence to survive the cold, and 2) self-domestication which selects for smaller brains either directly by shrinking the aggressive part of the brain, or indirectly by shrinking the body in general.
For the vast majority of our prehistory, climate related pressure to have bigger brains overpowered domestication pressure to have smaller brains. Only in the last 3000 years when both the ice age ended and civilization began did we see a reverse of this trend. And while most of our declining brain size can be explained by the poor living conditions of humans when they stopped hunting and gathering, even in the developed World, our brains are still somewhat smaller than they were at the end of Last Glacial Maximum.
Because civilization came to East Asian before it came to Europe before it came to sub-Saharan Africa, we’d expect black Africans to have the biggest (least domesticated) brains, followed by whites, followed by East Asians. But at least within the United States, we see the exact opposite pattern. In a stratified sample of 6,325 military personnel measured in the 1980s, Rushton found East Asian Americans averaged 1416 cc, white Americans averaged 1380 cc, and African Americans averaged 1,359 cc.
This tells us that the extreme cold that East Americans experienced in Northern Siberia during the Last Glacial Maximum, was so powerful, that not even several thousand years more domestication could shrink their brains to White levels (note: commenter Mug of Pee has gathered data showing worldwide, whites have bigger brains than East Asians but he is comparing different studies unlike the Rushton study that compared the races in a single apples to apples study).
Meanwhile South Asian Indians, despite being more intelligent than Aficans, have perhaps the smallest brains of any large ethnic group. This is a combination of small body size (they mated with Andaman island types) lack of exposure to the ice age, and the fact that human civilization started in Southern Asia making them even more domesticated than East Asians (I realize civilization did not specifically start in India but those who started civilization would later migrate to India and those who remained in the Near East would be undomesticated by Islam). Even James Watson noted that Indians tend to be servile. This is part of the reason they were brought to Africa by the Europeans to work on the railways (the less domesticated Native Africans refused to work)
One of the reasons the correlation between IQ and brain size is not stronger is the smartest members of a macro-race figured out how to create civilization which ironically shrunk their brains but not necessarily their intelligence. And so we have the paradox of the undomesticated Mongolians being bigger brained than the more intelligent Japanese.
This also explains why East Asians, despite being slightly more intelligent than whites, do not rule the World. Domestication keeps them humble.
yes we can all agree that Indians like Pill are terrible people and are largely uninhibited enough to do stupid things for the pure sake of stupidity.
racialism is not a very good way to measure the quality of things but perhaps for certain races people do congregate to a racial mean and thus make everything black and white for everyone else!
I have two adult dogs. A half-pit and a half-lab. The lab is the one that brought me the spaghettios. She watches me constantly to see what I do. The half-pit does not do so too much. He is very impulsive and jumps on me a lot.
Cooperation means you must be confined and not bite so much or you are punished. People that get together in confined places must work together and that means they must not be violent and watchful of others.
But it is good to be half and half. not too impulsive but not completely non-violent.
the sami/lapps, like other arctic peoples are shorter than peoples just south of them, but they are robust. most chinapipo are more gracile than europeans.
ala rr:
P. chinapipo have no wisdom teeth despite:
a. an edge to edge bite, europeans have an overbite.
b. less orthognathism.
C. chinapipo have smaller heads than europeans…at least those who don’t have to have their wisdom teeth removed. if the european head were smaller most europeans would have to have their wisdom teeth pulled because there’d be no room for them.
blacks have no trouble because prognathism not because big head.
This article is all over the place. Civilization made south adians servile while it made east asians humble?
The article implies civilization reduced the intelligence of south asians but did not of Japanese?
If east asians rule the world…it is because of their head size/superiority(implied in some of your previous articlrs). If they didn’t…it is because of their humility?
You are slipping peepee…
This article is all over the place. Civilization made south adians servile while it made east asians humble?
James Watson said Indians were servile. He could have said humble.
The article implies civilization reduced the intelligence of south asians but did not of Japanese?
It probably reduced brain size (not necessarily intelligence) in both but because Japanese were exposed to extreme ice age BEFORE domestication, they’re arguably smarter and bigger brained than Indians are IF you believe these theories.
The article doesn’t make sense because the person analysing the info is…certain ways of thinking…Anyways we know that east asians don’t all have high IQs like the Mongols so the core explanation of cold weather doesn’t quite cut it.
What happened was that civilisation increased IQs. Its obvious. The brain may have shrunk in some ways but the motor was more efficient.
I would agree but I’m not convinced the lower Mongol IQ is genetic.
So humans migrated to the north before going south?
Only some not all?
You seem to have a strong fondness for italians ex rr.
indians are absolutely the most terrible people on the planet. they spout nonsense to promote their worldview. they are weak and have no mental capacity beyond that of a barely capable person.
they are losers. they do the stupidest things. they always have an agenda to promote their own kind like a bunch of greedy dogs.
and one of you will prove my point in the follow-up because an indian here will step in to defend their position in the world when they are deadlast.
as for East Asians they are a servile people as well. they have no capacity to think deeply they are shallow and frustrated that the world does not go their way.
they are arrogant and malicious much like indians.
we know indians are losers time for the world to find out east asians are the same.
hell all humans are losers. we are a bunch of cowards. another species with intelligence wouldve taken far more action to make this world a better place. but unfortunately humanity sucks.
humans are a bunch of scoundrels. this entire world is clown world. we need to go back to a time when people had decency in their lives and most of history lacks that.
But you are Indian
I am Pakistani and proud!
But your genes are from India
only partially i have DNA from all over the world except East Asia and West Africa.
i have a lot of ancestry from the Caucasus and the Indus Valley Civilizations remnants as a testament to the West South Asian ancestry that makes up 30% of me!
No person has 100% genes of their ethnicity, loaded. Even Indians have ‘partly indian’ genes. So do other people of other ethnicities.
If most of your genes are indian you are of indian ancestors. Your ethnicity doesn’t change with change in borders. I am from orissa state in india. If tomorrow it becomes a separate country, my ethnicity or genes won’t change from indian to orissian. Same with pakistanis.
There is literally no difference genetically and perhaps behaviorially between indians and pakis.
there is a big difference you just arent bright enough to perceive it Pill. Pakistanis are a totally different culture and have better genetics than Indians.
Idiot.
all you can say Pill. are you a robot or a fucking automated receipt disposer?
you are literally one of the most childish people ive ever met you have more manchild symptoms than any man your age in the world.
do you feel proud? being an ignorant buffoon with nothing to show at all in life! try spending time away from the internet now and see if anyone thinks youve accomplished anything other than memorizing a bunch of factoids about different things most people find to be mundane and unacknowledgeable.
Pill is right, loaded.
no he is not youre just saying that because youre a Hindu cow worshipping idiot.
He is right that is why I am saying. We don’t worship cows buffoon ( we don’t ask it to grant us wishes). We only thank it as it gives us milk. I am surprised you didn’t know this as you are a south asian Muslim.
Also we don’t worship a pedophile (your chief messenger) who married a 9 yr old girl. The whole world knows this. That is also why Islam is seen as the most inferior religion among all. And in all societies which are not Muslim majority or have blacks, muslims occupy the bottom of the social strata. Most people don’t even like their daughters marrying a muslim. This is in all non- muslim countries not just india.
Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha’s age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth
India is a bottom-tier country is all im saying. Muslims are respected worldwide by people that are openminded such as myself.
Hindus are a bottom people not sufficiently imaginative enough to know their worth. they lack the quality and imagination needed to make a religion and they lack the benefitted quality of being good people.
Hindus are greedy. everyone knows this. they worship money not actual deities of value. they are selfish and evil and thus should be treated with disrespect for their intolerable worldview.
Peeps, what matters is what is mentioned in the quran not a newspaper article about later sources designed to make islam look good. The age of aisha is one of the biggest weakness of islam. So I won’t be surprised if ‘later sources sprung up’ after the quran was composed to make aisha older. During the 7th century, not just in arabia but in the whole world was a girl married later than 14. So how can it be 19 for aisha?
Loaded, you perfectly described muslims not hindus. Even I couldn’t have described muslims and islam better.
no you idiot Name i have described Hinduism otherwise i wouldnt have mentioned them. you are a jingoistic stupid Indian who will never resolve.
Indians suffer from rebelliousness and oppositional defiance disorder. they never come to the conclusion that the truth it there they always seem to rebel against it.
they will never attain truth only suffering in this world. no one likes Hindus or Indians for that matter.
let them rot.
Loaded islam means submission. Meaning it is islam tht blindly submits without knowing the ultimate truth. And muslims blame others foe this. Every one hates muslims because of this too amongother reasons. They are bottom feeders in every society where there are not a majority or where blacks are there. Everyone prefer their daughter marry a muslim guy through last.
four different populations from Serbia, Egypt, Japan and SE USA changed with the adoption of agriculture and the beginnings of industry…
we found large differences among agenesis frequency depending on geographic region…
We found the selection against impaction hypothesis contributed to the rise in third molar agenesis at the end of the industrial transition, but impaction remained at such low frequencies during the agricultural transition that this mechanism is unlikely to have been a causative force.
by SE USA they must mean native americans not european colonists as such had been farmers way before moving to america.
but they don’t share those stats on agenesis. btw, chatGPT couldn’t answer my question regarding “third molar agenesis”. what an idiot!
peepee: ah! that’s because chinapipo have bigger teeth than europeans.
mugabe: but interesting that farming did give people horrible teeth just not problems with their wisdom teeth. mechanically processed/industrial food was required.
Furthermore, we found a negative relationship between dental arch space and third molar agenesis in the industrial transition, but a positive relationship between these two variables in the agricultural transition. Overall, these data suggest that two different mechanisms influenced the prevalence of human third molar agenesis: one operating since the time of Homo erectus and one with much more recent origins.
so they’re claiming third molar agenesis was actually more common in those with bigger mouths during the agricultural revolution. that’s odd. a bigger mouth with 4 fewer teeth. the other teeth got bigger?
“Undomesticated by Islam”? What evidence do you have for this?
Also, the near-eastern ancestors of South Asians were less involved in the foundation of the near-eastern neolithic in comparison to Neolithic Anatolians (this ancestry peaks in Sardinians) and Neolithic Levantines (this ancestry peaks in Saudis, Yeminis, and Bedouin). Furthermore, the local south asian hunter gatherers were unlike the Andamanese. Andamanese are genetically more like Hoabinhian of southeast asia. But even compared to Hoabinhians the Andamanese are phenotypically different. Andamanese have smaller and rounder heads than Hoabinhians.
According to David Reich, Indians are a hybrid of Middle Eastern types and an indigenous population related to Andaman Islanders who I consider Negroid.
I know about the genetics stuff. Out of all *modern* populations, the Andamanese are the closest approximation of the indigenous south asians. However, they are still quite different genetically from the indigenous south asians.
Phenotypically, the indigenous south asians (no longer alive) and andamanese were rather distinct as well.
The middle eastern component is more complicated- the admixture into south asians came from Iran. Iran was only one of three or 4 different populations involved in the neolithic of the middle east. Anatolian Neolithic people, Natufian people, Iran Neolithic people and Caucasus Hunter Gatherer related people were the 4 components of the middle eastern neolithic. The last 2 (Iran Neolithic and Caucasus people) are similar and the Caucasus people aren’t involved in the earliest stages, so maybe you could reduce that to 3 groups. Still, Anatolia neolithic people and Natufian-related neolithic people played a bigger role in the creation of the middle eastern neolithic than the Iranian neolithic people did. The Iran neolithic-related involvements grew later on, in like the copper age when they interacted with Anatolians and South Levantines.
? What evidence do you have for this?
Speculation. But perhaps a better explanation for why Middle Easterners don’t act very domesticated is HBD Chick’s cousin marriage theory.
One way to go about this would be to compare the early muslims to middle eastern non-muslims that they conquered. I have heard that the Saudi and gulf Arabs have more of the Natufian ancestry. Normally it is assumed that Islam came from somewhere in Saudi Arabia (though some people have alternative propositions), so maybe early muslims had more Natufian ancestry and less Anatolian ancestry.
This would be interesting since, late Natufians were among the first to be involved in the neolithic, but a long time has passed between the end of the Natufian culture and early Islam. Maybe a group of Natufians got un-domesticated by leaving their proto-farmlands and venturing southward. One possible candidate for such a hypothetical un-domesticated Natufian group could be the Harifians of the Levant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harifian_culture
These guys seemed to have given up on the plants, and focused on animal husbandry. Maybe there is a line connecting these Arabian pastoralists and Islam?
Puppy says both things at the same time. Islam pacified muslims and islam is also a warrior religion. Make your mind up.
No I said early civilization domesticated them but Islam/cousin marriage which creates tribalism (see HBD chick) made them aggressive again.
I don’t know why the middle east failed to kick on after becoming the first civilisation.
In this particular case maybe Jared Diamonds theory explains it – geography.
you have no knowledge of anything besides those things youve read! remind me again Pill how you have a high openness? because i think youre more of a parrot than any commenter on this blog!
One thing about domestication. It seems to have shrank the people involved. Most asians have little or no muscle. Not very robust at all for the elements. Europeans were small as well until about 100 years ago.
Because they were malnourished/diseased until about 100 years ago. Now they’ve recovered their genetic potential but are probably still a little scrawny compared to their undomesticated hunter-gatherer ancestors
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the name personality claims the i forget males were 6′. but the females were 5’2″ says wikipedia. this suggests a small sample size. plus wikipedia says they were like jimmy stewart, redonkulously skinny. and there aren’t enough yamnaya remains to judge according to chatGPT. but it may be “hallucinating”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)
what was meant by “massive skull” included the jaw apparently. a reconstruction of a yamnaya looks like the gigachad guy. also the yamnaya ate mostly meat and dairy.
the dds were succeeded by the sredny-stogs by the yamnaya.
Sample size isn’t that big of an issue for the Gravettian stuff, they probably had large sexual dimorphism in height. They were the tallest individual group for male stature, the exact details might be a little off, but Gravettian males were taller than Yamnaya males.
Dnieper-Donets=/= Yamnaya. They were genetically different Yamnaya had plenty of Caucasus hunter gatherer ancestry, while Dnieper-Donets had little.
Target: UKR_Meso
Distance: 3.8399% / 0.03839927
74.4 Eastern Hunter Gatherer (Sidelkino)
20.4 Western Hunter Gatherer (Grotta Continenza)
4.4 Anatolian Hunter Gatherer (Pinarbasi)
0.8 Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
Target: UKR_N
Distance: 3.9191% / 0.03919074
62.2 Eastern Hunter Gatherer (Sidelkino)
29.8 Western Hunter Gatherer (Grotta Continenza)
5.4 Anatolian Hunter Gatherer (Pinarbasi)
2.6 Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 6.1221% / 0.06122118
58.8 Eastern Hunter Gatherer (Sidelkino)
38.0 Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
3.2 Anatolian Hunter Gatherer (Pinarbasi)
0.0 Western Hunter Gatherer (Grotta Continenza)
Just to show how distant they were:
Distance to: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.18423938 UKR_Meso
0.20257955 UKR_N
For some comparison…
Distance to: Sardinian
0.17462025 Swedish
0.20646279 Finnish_Southwest
So yeah, Dnieper Donets is NOT a proxy for Yamnaya. IDK why you would even bring them up.
looks a bit like me plus a very very robust Mexican. i already looks Mexican but still Mexicans are the most varying in terms of looks on the planet due to miscegenation from peoples all over the globe!
almost as much as the Caribbeans tbh.
Carribbeans are 90% black dumbass. No race mixing at all.
they marry whites as well look at Bob Marley. American blacks have 25% white blood you fucking moron Pill.
i forget = gravettians.
In Flynn’s papaw “Reservations about Rushton”, he discusses the CWT just-so story, talks about a “prediction” from it, then rightly states that he can weave a story about any kind of score distribution between races (the mark of a just-so story). (Nevermind Lynn’s lies and omissions of Chinese “IQ” data, selectively citing studies and rejecting others that don’t cohere with his conclusions.) Lynn is a fraud and a liar and people like Rebecca Sear have, more recently, been calling out Lynn’s lies (others have, of course been bringing this up for decades since the early 00s when his first “national IQ” results were published.) There is no reason—other than bias—to accept the CWT, since it’s not a scientific theory and the “predictions” derived from it aren’t novek, nor are they risky.
“In fact, the Chinese are really two distinct groups, one of which originally settled north of the Yangzi River and the other south of the Yangzi. The two have intermixed but genetic markers show whose genes are most prominent: southern genes are relatively absent in the north and become dominant as you go toward the south, particularly to southeast provinces like Guangdong [25]. While northern Chinese may have been north of the Himalayas during the last Ice Age, the southern Chinese took a coastal route from Africa to China. They went along the Southern coast of the Middle East, India, and Southeast Asia before they arrived at the Yangzi. They never were subject to extreme cold.
The Ice Ages hypothesis offers a prediction: the mean IQ of Chinese should drop as we go from north to south. The island republic of Singapore is a city-state. Virtually all of its people are from Guangdong, the most southeast of China’s provinces. According to Lynn, it has a mean IQ of 108; if you isolate its Chinese population, they have a mean IQ of 114. Mainland China has 105. In addition, we now have a proper IQ map of China, which shows no tendency for mean IQ to fall as we go from north to south. Flynn (2013) [26] gives a full account.
This falsifies one evolutionary scenario but others may be forthcoming. I will only say that I am suspicious of these because none of us can go back and really evaluate environment and mating patterns. Given free rein, I can supply an evolutionary scenario for almost any pattern of current IQ scores. If blacks had a mean IQ above other races, I could posit something like this: they benefited from exposure to the most rigorous environmental conditions possible, namely, competition from other people. Thanks to greater population pressures on resources, blacks would have benefited more from this than any of those who left at least for a long time. Those who left eventually became Europeans and East Asians. Let anthropologists rather than psychologists come forward with something that can really be evidenced.”
Singapore is self-selected though.
Northeast Asians score higher than Southeast Asians
Sorry, this doesn’t interact with what Flynn wrote.
Broken link, no image appears. If it doesn’t refute what Flynn wrote—along with the general complain of the hereditarian formulations of “evolutionary stories” that “cohere” with what we observe, I don’t care.
So even though you can’t see the image, you already know it doesn’t refute Flynn? LMAO! Just goes to prove you’re not interested in the truth.
I don’t see how you can impute what you said to what I did. I said that if it doesn’t rebut Flynn, then I don’t care. That doesn’t mean that I think the image doesn’t rebut him, but if it’s not even an attempt at it then spare me.
How can I find it?
All Flynn seems to be saying is that Southern Chinese are related to Southeast Asians and Northern Chinese are Northeast Asians, and only the latter was exposed to the ice age and thus should have high IQ if CWT is right. However we already know that Northeast Asians have higher IQs than Southeast Asians. Even if Southeast Asians have high IQs in Singapore, it’s because they’re highly selected as Loaded noted
We’ve been here 6 years and RR has never admitted he was wrong on any point. Just ban him.
Not true. He admitted he was wrong about HBD. Unfortunately that’s the one thing he was right about. 🙂
He admitted he was wrong about HBD after he went dumpster diving for black women after being rejected of women from every other race.
“Unfortunately, that’s the one thing he was right about.”
I don’t understand—do you think that considerations from DST and the EES DON’T refute the reductive, genetic determinist neo-Darwinian ideas of hereditarianism? Because they definitely do. When I first rejected IQ, I still held to some lighter form of “HBD”, but then as I got into the DST/EES literature, I then realized that hereditarianism has to be false due to the theoretical underpinnings of it that just don’t work and are clearly false. Like for example,
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610723000044
EES makes novel predictions, neo-Darwinism—which is based on the concept of selection-for—doesn’t, as Fodor has successfully argued. EES does indeed make novel predictions.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.1019
The Laland paper puts to bed neo-Darwinism, along with Noble, Jablonka and Lamb, Moore, Lickliter, Richardson and other’s arguments. If neo-Darwinism is false, then hereditarianism is necessarily false as the theoretical underpinnings of hereditarianism fail.
PP,
That’s one way to falsify CWT, and there are many others as well. Which part of what Flynn said covered to this? “All Flynn seems to be saying is that Southern Chinese are related to Southeast Asians and Northern Chinese are Northeast Asians, and only the latter was exposed to the ice age and thus should have high IQ if CWT is right.”
“Philsopher”,
“We’ve been here 6 years and RR has never admitted he was wrong on any point.”
This is laughably wrong. I changed my view on testosterone, genes, physiology. I’ve changed my views on diet and training.
“He admitted he was wrong about HBD after he went dumpster diving for black women after being rejected of women from every other race.”
This is, again, wrong. Can you read minds through text? Why are you imputing motivations to me that I don’t hold?
You went dumpster diving for black women. Don’t deny it. You already admitted it.
What are you smoking?
why is sundar pichai the viceroy of GOOG?
peepee: because brahmin.
mugabe: tamil brahmin.
peepee: because higher IQ…
mugabe: because tall.
peepee: he’s only 5’11”.
mugabe: but that is freakishly tall for a tamil brahmin.
believe it or not…the american system of education…if i’d been in pichai’s position in tamil nadu…i’d actually have had MORE opportunities…
because…
india is all about TEST scores. the US is all about PSYCHOPATHY.
If high IQ folks needs IQ tests to get ahead, then IQ ain’t intelligence.
indians are not very bright. it is a myth. they use their networking skills with one another an example of EGI to bear fruit for their people.
indians lack quality in thought. they are just mindless to most. most of them are subpar intelligence and because immigration from india is laxing the indian IQ in the West will considerably go down.
let them ail as they wail.
Indians are much brighter than pakistanis.
I don’t “get ahead” because:
A. I think too much.
B. I am slow.
C. I have no friends.
E. “The town I am in” and I do not drive a car.
indians are much dumber than Pakistanis. the average Indian is beyond incapable of doing anything basic in their lives. look at the poor of India and compare it to the poor of Pakistan.
India is a defeated nation. will never achieve anything.
Youre fucking retarded Loaded. Pakistan is even poorer than India with a totally dysfunctional government. Its basically bankrupt and has been for most of its existence without western loans.
who cares? Pakistan is superior in every cultural way! india is a backwards country with no intellectual capability of its own its all borrowed on by the Indians from other peoples.
India is so gross and backwards the Internet is full of infinite concepts about why it is so poor and disgusting and filthy and absolutely pathetic!
Ok youre totally deluded were ending this conversation.
youre deluded how the fuck do you think India is a better country than Pakistan? India is a shit tier country Pakistan can modernize and become a better one!
The slippery slope of gayness leading to transgenderism and whatever else is real because basically, being gay is not useful in itself.
There’s only two main reasons to respect homosexuality, which is the liberal, “live and let live” viewpoint of letting everyone seek happiness whatever way they seem fit, and the more utilitarian view that gays may not be able to have kids and may practice harmful sex, have a tendency to engage more in partying and drugs, but make up for it by generally being intelligent and/or very good in the workplace (and they even out the dating pool for straight people).
But basically, endless liberality leads to major problems because it doesn’t acknowledge that resources are finite and the effects of certain viewpoints, especially when they are popularized and made mainstream. It only restrains people based on immediate physical harm (while liberals restrict the means of people to escape/defend from physical harm) The utilitarian view is impossible to measure but also justifies any degeneracy, including theft or sexual assault or worse, if the ends are worth it.
There’s also the “I feel it undeniably so it must be good” viewpoint that gays were made that way and exist in a certain percentage so it means homosexuality is good.
So whatever justification for homosexuality would obviously lead to justifying all sorts of degeneracy because many practices in isolation do not cause immediate harm (and consent to harm is slippery and based on human judgment), could be justified for some other end if no objective moral standards exist, and go through certain people’s heads.
Sad.
I agree with this. Obviously being disgusted is a form of morality that may or may not be equal or supersede the tastes of people who don’t feel revolted. We ban sex with family members and animals but you know the day is coming when [redacted by pp, 2023-04-18] will say: “But its a feeling and therefore it must be allowed”.
“if no objective moral standards exist”
perfect judgment is determined by perfect awareness of all things.
but then it is a matter of what is allowed and not allowed by this “judge”.
In any effect, The God Emporer will decide what to do soon.
Lurker do you believe objective morality exists?
Yes its reflected in aesthetics. Evil people look corrupt.
Yes, because there are better or worse ways to live according to the present state of the universe and the possible future states. Objective morality is basically a tautology in that sense.
“perfect judgment is determined by perfect awareness of all things.
but then it is a matter of what is allowed and not allowed by this “judge”.”
True and whether you believe in God or not, civilization is clearly f-ed if it doesn’t behave according to the standards.
If you think about it, it is pointless for Christians and atheists to argue about objective morality, because Christianity has forgiveness and sin built in to its picture of humanity, and you should be able to get pretty clear moral standards as an atheist from understanding what is good and bad for civilization.
The problem is that with atheism, there is nothing to justify this morality except what is good and bad for humans (or conscious creatures). But even if you say “one person could get immense enjoyment out of everyone else suffering” and therefore there are clashing moral viewpoints, if every one is suffering, they are generally unable to produce anything worthwhile, and the sadistic king-person is actually losing out on many worthwhile experiences that could have been produced by all those suffering people. Or, if you enjoy yourself or others “suffering” in the sense that they are working to produce something great, such as a new scientific discovery or some gigantic extravagant building, you aren’t really enjoying “suffering” but rather enduring for the sake of the future. So I think atheists are also stuck with objective morality, as specific beliefs and actions have specific effects, even in a physicalist soul-less universe.
Very well said. We agree on something for once. I think Huemer’s Ontological Proof for Moral realism with the anti-torture baby argument is sound. Basically, if moral realism might be true, then it is true. If MR is true then we have certain obligations. If we have certain obligations, then we should or should not do certain things. Here’s the argument.
1. If the following conditions hold
a. If S knew that P, this would provide a reason for S to Φ,
b. If S knew that ~P, this would provide no reason for S not to Φ, and
c. S has some reason to believe that P
– then S thereby has a reason to Φ.
2. If we knew torturing babies was objectively wrong, this would provide a reason to
avoid torturing babies.
3. Even if we knew torturing babies was not objectively wrong, this would provide no
reason to torture babies.
4. We have some reason to believe that torturing babies is objectively wrong.
5. Therefore, we have a reason to avoid torturing babies.
I suffer so others suffer.
Reducing suffering is good for me so it is good for others.
I should reduce the suffering of others.
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Not everyone is like me.
Not everyone thinks what I think is good.
I should increase good things regardless of what others think.
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Seeing things from other perspectives is good because it allows empathy. Differences are not things to blame others for necessarily. People have disadvantages physically and intellectually. People need to be respected and sometimes this means separation because people are immature.
“Huemer’s Ontological Proof for Moral realism”
Oh, I read that paper years ago. It’s absolutely retarded, but it’s the closest anyone has ever come to proving moral realism.
anyone who is not moral realist is mentally retarded and evil.
anyone who thinks moral realism requires a proof is mentally retarded and evil.
right and wrong are infinitely more real than elementary particle.
Lurker you yourself are a sexual degenerate. you are not K-selected in any way you are an r-selected LARPer who needs to be put in his place. you have the emotional maturity of a five year old and are jealous of me and my ability to convey myself and have confidence!
you are a loser Lurker! give up! you will never succeed!
I think RR and Anime are the 2 commenters that give me a headache reading their shitty comments.
“As X-stein/abrams/roth showed biology does not apply to humans” – Typical RR comment.
“902321/84729=X. Therefore X% top percentile emotional intelligence. QED. Please discuss mathematically”- Anime comment.
you have low emotional empathy
I laughed.
MMMMMbackystan.
Something like 80% of pakistanis are cousin married or even closer blood relatives. Wow. Explains loaded’s ‘intellect’.
Who is dumber.
Random goat or Loaded.
My bet is the goat.
As in the goat is smarter.
your mother.
Most job interviews:
“Can you do theoretical physics in a rigid time limit?”
Actual job – copy and paste this and that. Put a comma here.
Puppy autism is not captured in IQ tests just face it, theres no known social IQ test out there. The only way to test social IQ is put people in social IQ situations or using intuition.
The cartoon test I gave you measures social intelligence in my opinion and people on this blog who were either diagnosed as autistic or seen by our community as autistic all dramatically underperformed on it relative to their overall IQs. Of course that test was designed to just measure IQ, not social IQ per se, but of all the mainstream IQ tests, it seems to be the best measure of social IQ. But because a high IQ autist might still score at least average on it thanks to their other skills, it’s best to look at it in the context of one’s overall IQ. Even a high score on this test might imply autism if it’s below expected for a given overall IQ.
Now there are tests that are specifically designed to measure autism like whether you can read the emotion in someone’s eyes or the tone of their voice. Unlike the cartoon test I gave you, these tests are never included in IQ test batteries like the WAIS because they’re too narrow. That is they ONLY measure autism and tell us little about a person’s general intelligence.
Thats because social intelligence isn’t related to academic intelligence. Most blacks have great social intelligence and piss poor academic intelligence. Most blacks can’t do basic math in their heads.
Simple social intelligence (reading facial expressions) is probably poorly correlated with academic skills, but complex social intelligence (political strategizing) is more g loaded I suspect.
No its not. Look at Donald Trump, hes basically a total idiot in terms of academic intelligence but in the realm of politics hes a total genius.
You’re underestimating his general intelligence. Compared to people here he’s a total idiot but he’s probably smarter than 90% of 76-year-old Americans giving him an IQ of 120. If you doubt this, visit a nursing home and see how disabled most old people are.
You’re also overestimating his political genius. A lot of his charisma is accidental; non-college whites love him because despite his inherited wealth and unearned fancy degrees, they know he’s one of them. That’s not an act he’s using his political genius to execute, it’s who he really is. He’s genuinely a low class person at the genetic level, and people instinctively love those who share copies of their genes.
Their attitude is “finally a President who is one of us, who doesn’t have an IQ above 130 and who has dementia just like my Uncle Sam and who grabs women by the pussy just like my cousin Bill, and who talks plain and simple just like me. He even looks like me with his spray tan and comb over!”
Of course Trump had the social intelligence to understand his appeal and the creativity to exploit it for maximum effect, but it also rung true because it was authentic. If it were PURE social genius, he’d be able to teach other people how to do it, but the fact that it only works when he’s doing it proves it’s something about the way he looks and sounds and not just his skills alone. I don’t think it would have worked had he ran for President 30 years ago like he first considered; he had to wait for old age to have the maximum prole appeal.
it’s not only simple expressions:
intuition is about knowing what to do and not do regarding “certain” individual’s character.
you read the person not just their face. (intention)
this builds up over time.
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I can’t do basic math in my head.
G doesn’t apply to social or musical intelligence. Maybe not drawing either.
Then it’s not g
Well you believe too much in ‘Densen’. Its just a theory puppy.
(g) is the coordination of all sub-systems.
His lack of sophistication is put on a lot. Look I’ve seen interviews with him from the 90s and 2000s and its clear he’s upper class in those but he turned it down a notch to white trash while campaigning.
Trump is not in the top 10% cognitively. Adams and Langan say that because his opinions are actually correct on a lot of things despite conventional wisdom.
It really does take a 120 IQ + to come out against free trade. I totally get that.
120 might be an overestimate. He was borderline white trash in the 1990s in fact one of Epstein’s foreign girlfriends in the 1980s didn’t know what the U.S. term white trash meant and Trump joked “it’s me but without money”
Now how much of his current more extreme white trash persona is skillful acting and how much is just natural cognitive decline with age is a question historians will debate for centuries.
Trump is ENTJ
Peterson is ISTP
Trump does things.
Peterson thinks things.
The marked contrast is in the focus of what they use their intelligence for. Outward vs inward.
People who do things are seen as lower by academics because they do not calculate on the inside but on the outside.
It is a different system of memorization.
Trump wants results so he gets them. (cause-effect)
Peterson studies so must compile data. (calculation)
pp does not see the value in “doing”. (ENTP)
the white trash thing about trump is his hair and fake tan and hooking up with porn stars. if he looked different and his sex life was secret he’d be no more white trash than any of the other presidents.
trump’s candor and extremely clipped manner of speaking is the opposite of white trash. so many real estate mavens and financiers from nyc are no more sophisticated sounding than trump.
and a democrat classist is the most disgusting thing imaginable.
does he really eat kfc and mcdonald’s? bill clinton is WAY more white trash than trump. and he isn’t white trash either. he was raised upper middle class…or the equivalent in arkansas. his father owned a car dealership. his mother was a nurse. they owned their own large house and it was in the best part of hot springs.
[redacted by pp, 2023-04-18]
epstein was way more white trash than trump. he had a way thicker nyc accent and was way more perverted. and he was a criminal.
peepee doesn’t appreciate that people who are born rich have no need to put on airs. so they often turn out like trump.
or paris hilton.
peepee is confusing the mores of upper middle class strivers and snobs with how the born rich actually behave.
the universal trait of the aristocracy is an inability to feel shame and anti-snobbism.
trump has never had to pretend to be someone else.
Which would also explain his obsessive Oprah worship. He wasn’t striving to be part of the elite so he didn’t have to pretend to be above pop culture like John Franzen did.
Jonathan Franzen didn’t like Oprah because hes a logical heterosexual man who thinks a fat black woman recommending books to housewives is one of the dumbest things about America.
It wasn’t quite that simple Pill.
Jonathan Franzen is waaaay more talented than Oprah. I’m not even a massive fan of Franzen’s books but his novels have won wall to wall critical praise.
Pill you’re just a neurologically impaired philistine brofessor with a mediocre IQ, so you can’t be commenting on who has more talent than who.
He’s way more talented at writing. She’s way more talented at touching hearts and souls. Her talent is vastly more important than his.
Oprah Winfrey (ESFJ) – People-oriented and natural instincts
Jonathan Franzen (ENFJ) – People-oriented with brilliant insights.
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pill got me to change my view on my personality. What I was seeing was that Ne and Te are similar but not the same. empiricists gather data not to reason or connect but to predict. My mind is very quiet and I like things. I do not so much care about popularity as Fe would but about what I like personally.
So I now think I am ESFP not as stand-alone letters (MBTI) but as to my new understanding of functions (SeFiTeNi). I like Trump because he seems to have ideas in real-time (Ni) that I believe I am aspiring to. Trump is the reverse of Animekitty as Oprah is the reverse of pp. Trumps (Fi) makes him look like he is selfish but he just likes things he likes, he understands that people like things that they like. Anime can see everything at once (Se) that is how Trump gets his (Ni) to work. He can see everything on the inside well anime sees everything on the outside.
pill I think is still ISTJ – if he were INTJ he would be coming up with insights (Ni) instead of empirical observations derived from his experiences (Si). It is his lower (Ne) that makes him like ideas about Franz (FeNi). To pill it’s like Franz has real experience. pp likes Oprah because he thinks of himself as talented like her. He likes people and understands them in his lower stack. pp wants to be popular. Franz does not, he is pretending. Trump to pp did not get where he is through people skills experience like Oprah, he did not connect(Ne) what people wanted to become famous. Trump just made up everything, which pill admires. Pill does not like animekitty because I have no experiences that matter. and that I do not agree with him. All animekitty has is data(Te) and pill does not consider that a talent. I do not do anything with it like pill does with his. pill translates all his data into experiences (Si) trade skills. All anime does is write on blogs about his ideas. ideas pill does not like. Trump at least did something pill thinks. To pill Trump is a tradesman.
My aunt is ESFJ like Oprah and she was a first-grade teacher. She would spend all her money on her kids for projects and to teach English. English requires (Ti) and pp thinks Oprahs (Ti) is cute. (Ti) is formalism so it is about analysis which pp is very good at.
“Filo is a good judge of character and is able to see through anyone, which is shown many times such as when she refuses to let Raphtalia have Naofumi (knowing Raphtalia’s feelings for him), Naofumi’s strange or rude thoughts, Motoyasu’s intention and Itsuki’s personality. This also includes the lies and evil intentions of people like Mald, Malty S Melromarc, and Jaralis. It is this trait of Filo that convinces Naofumi to trust Melty as Filo completely trusts her. She’s been reserved as of late, but from the start, she’s been overly intrusive. She can see through lies and has exposed many. Naofumi uses her to verify the credibility of the truth told by people.”
ESFP
@illuminaticatblog
Going by MBTI functions, its hard to see Trump as an ENTJ and impossible to see JP as an ISTP. Even going by give five, I don’t think those are right assessments.
“Going by MBTI functions”
Because MBTI functions are BS, The test is BS.
MBTI is based on no empirical data at all that is statistically relevant. You never, never get the same results twice. It is as good as a coin flip for each dichotomy.
Yes, that is right MBTI is dichotomy based:
(I-E)(S-N)(F-T)(J-P)
What I go by is the Carl Gustav Jung system, which only people familiar with the psychology of actual people can understand.
The Jung system is on a continuum. That means all 8 functions can be used. or they can be extreme:
concrete
Si – schizo
Se – autism
abstract
Ni – psychic
Ne – associative
inference
Ti – formalist
Te – empirical
emotion
Fi – intense
Fe – deflated
Notice how pill is a schizo who calls Animekitty autistic all the time.
Some people think: Jung was INFJ but he was really INTP. And if Jung s INTP Peterson definitely is not a (Ne) type. Jung thought he may be ISTP but no he must have been (Ne) because he came up with all his own theories. I do not see Peterson having any theories at all. Only dialectics (Ti) with himself about his observations (Se) and his insights into them (Ni) and his communication of them to others (inferior Fe). INFJ types are into Tarot cards and sheeeit.
Some say Trump is ESTP but that would make him more mature as a person and less angry as a person. He would communicate better (Ti) about what he sees (Se) and be a diplomate about it (Fe). instead, he is clearly selfish and brutish (Inferior Fi) and he is always talking about his accomplishments (Te).
#Not all ENTJ act like this, rump was very mature before he decided he would become president. But he was very grumpy.
Also, you need to combine Jungian functions with emotional valence to know about maturity and immaturity.
Everyone thinks I am INFJ and my doctor thinks I am schizoaffective bipolar type.
I may be wrong but I am 35 and studied this for 14 years now.
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Marsha – ENTJ
Pumpkin – ENTP
Philosopher – ISTJ
Animekitty – ESFP
Mugabe – ENFP
Loaded – ISFP
Bruno – ESTP
Santo – ISFJ
rr – ISTP
Si – experiences talents skills automatic instincts
Se – sees everything on the outside
Ni – sees everything on the inside, insight
Ne – connects the dots
Ti – analysis synthesis on formal systems
Te – collects data on cause and effect and predicts
Fi – understands inner self
Fi – understands collectives
i am actually ESFP if my life were together but Anime has it right for now i am ISFP. wow very spot on Anime you have my respect in terms of social intellect!
If you don’t use the mbti and the 8 functions you are left with Big 5 which is better anyway. A big 5 test will be more informative than any MBTI test. So from a big 5 point of view, I don’t see Trump as being high in openness or even high in conscientiousness, and I don’t see JP as being low in openness, probably not low in conscientiousness either.
As far as MBTI functions are concerned, I don’t see Te in Trump. He is an opportunist to boot. Se-Ti-Fe-Ni actually looks like a good fit for him. Likewise, putting Se>Ni for Peterson seems dumb. The Ni-Fe-Ti-Se order makes more sense for him if you don’t want to use Ne. IIRC he has also said that he is agreeable.
“If you don’t use the mbti and the 8 functions”
“from a big 5 point of view”
@Flaminhotcheetos
I do not think you understand what those 8 functions are according to Carl Jung. Jungian functions are not the big 5 or MBTI. And Carl did not fully explain them in our modern context because he confused his own type: He confused Ti and Te because he put a negative on Te, Fi, Fe and Ne, Si and Se. – He did so by showing extremes in what he saw in clinical patients. Ti and Ni were only the non-negative functions he portrayed.
Te he said was bad because Sigmund Freud had it and he (Carl Jung) had the opposite Ti. That is why Jung considered himself TiSe – The only thing that maps Functions to Big 5 is Judgment and Perception – Perception being open and Judgment being closed. No functions map onto anything else specifically.
“I don’t see Te in Trump”
According to Jung Te is about stubbornness. Inflexibility. And rigid adherence to procedure. But that is what Ti does also. Look at rr he is Ti and has nothing to do with opportunity at all something Ne is about not Se by Jung. But Ti is just as ridged because it is strictly logical, not empirical. Which to the extremes are both rigid (Not open). Fi and Fe are neither agreeable nor non-agreeable, both can be.
“putting Se>Ni for Peterson seems dumb. The Ni-Fe-Ti-Se order makes more sense for him if you don’t want to use Ne.”
If Trump were ESTP he would be like Bruno. But also Bill Gates is ENTJ and not INTP so it is confusing because I do not buy into the negative side of Te so much. I only think that Peterson is Ti dom, not Fe because agreeableness has nothing to do with Fe or Fi. But Peterson is not Ni dom. So Ne or Se work. ISTP can be psychologists. It’s not impossible but if Peterson were INTP he would be more like this guy:
Se to me is not what Jung said is was. To me Se is much more than just the extreme of what he said it was:
https://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm
@illuminaticatblog
I know those functions aren’t big 5. But the Introversion-Extroversion, Sensing-Intuition, Thinking-Feeling and Judging-Perceiving axes of MBTI correlate to the Extroversion, Openness, Agreeableness and Conscientiousness components (4 of 5) of Big 5. I know that a function in MBTI does not directly correspond to a Big 5 axis. But its much harder to find an ISTP who is agreeable and open and conscientious than it is to find an ISTP who is disagreeable, low in openness and low in
conscientiousness.
“According to Jung Te is about stubbornness. Inflexibility. And rigid adherence to procedure. But that is what Ti does also. Look at rr he is Ti and has nothing to do with opportunity at all something Ne is about not Se by Jung. But Ti is just as ridged because it is strictly logical, not empirical. Which to the extremes are both rigid (Not open). Fi and Fe are neither agreeable nor non-agreeable, both can be.”
Ti is about subjective logic or just logic in general, it keeps changing the axioms and components as and when needed. Te on the other hand more readily dismisses a hypothesis if it doesn’t work. It is also much more ordered. Trump doesn’t have a Te function in his main stack, he is a Se-Ti person who has dug himself into holes. He uses Se-Ti, he is aware of what is happening around himself, acts first and then thinks about it like a used car salesman. He has very little Ni. Ni is about taking some abstract concept and running with it to what you see as its conclusion, as opposed to Ne which is about poking into a bunch of different abstract concepts (I saw you saw Ne make the connections, that would be Ne-Ti, meanwhile ordering connections would be Ne-Te). Trump doesn’t have a lot of Ni. I can see why some people think he is an ENTJ, because he has been superficially successful at what he did in politics, in spite of a lot of people expecting him to fail since day 1 in politics. But thats not because of him being ENTJ.
“If Trump were ESTP he would be like Bruno. But also Bill Gates is ENTJ and not INTP so it is confusing because I do not buy into the negative side of Te so much. I only think that Peterson is Ti dom, not Fe because agreeableness has nothing to do with Fe or Fi. But Peterson is not Ni dom. So Ne or Se work. ISTP can be psychologists. It’s not impossible but if Peterson were INTP he would be more like this guy:”
IDK what Bruno’s type is, but Trump isn’t some megalomaniac ENTJ with tons and tons of plans like the SNL version of Ronald Reagan. Trump wings it at the moment and tells people what they want to hear, and clowns on opponents like a high school clown or jock. The architect from the Matrix is more like an INTJ IMO, Neo is the INTP. Peterson does have Ti, but I think he has more Fe. INFJ with a developed Ti. Ni is definitely much higher than Se he starts with digging into the abstract thought he started with and AFTERWARDS he brings it to reality around him.
MBTI types have more to do with neuroticism than any Big 5 component if you look at it from a slightly holistic worldview.
As far as I have seen, no MBTI component correlates much with neuroticism. In Big 5, neuroticism’s largest correlation is with conscientiousness and depending on the source it is either positive or negative, idk why there is such a swing. But regardless of that, the sources agree with much smaller correlations between neuroticism and non-conscientiousness Big 5 traits. So if you wanted to link it to MBTI, then it would correlate the most with the J-P axis.
@Flaminhotcheetos
Jung said that he only knew about the functions from studying neurotics. We do not know what type of person is on the surface. We only know when they are forced into self-denial and that is when it comes out.
MBTI can be conscientiousness as much as any other Big 5 source. Big 5 is about quality when MBTI is about quantity to me. maybe the other way around in some folks.
it really is a matter of looking at things from a holistic perspective to determine personality and not just from individual components like psychologists do anyways.
@LOADED
Big 5 is more quantitative than MBTI. Big 5 can be quantified and is more reliable statistically, MBTI doesn’t do as well when you quantify it. But MBTI is useful for most people when they have to intuitively think about personality, so I’d say that MBTI is more qualitative.
@illuminaticatblog
I didn’t know that Jung used that method. I just checked this on wikipedia of all places, and it seems there is some correlation between neuroticism and the E-I axis, and between neuroticism and the J-P axis. Correlations with the S-N and T-F axes is smaller. Neuroticism is slightly positively correlated with introversion and slightly positively correlated with perception (negatively with judgement). The correlation is smaller and negative with openness and smaller and positive with feeling (as opposed to thinking). So maybe the most neurotic type would be ISFP, least neurotic would be ENTJ but the difference probably wouldn’t be big on average since the correlations are small. On the other hand, the correlations with other big five traits are bigger. So it looks like neuroticism is the big 5 trait which least correlates with any mbti axis.
Flamin when i said that i meant Big 5 is more of a quality based personality assessment meaning it should be about how open or conscientious you are in terms of quality.
when i said MBTI was quantity based i meant that it just kind of aggregates how much you have of each trait on a percentage scale.
its hard to explain. think of it like Big 5 being about qualifiable to a person and MBTI being purposed as a test to quantify something.
that is what i meant.
A test cannot tell you which type you are only an experienced person can and tests are not people. Like how I discovered that there are actually 500 kinds of autism from genetics research. A test cannot go into it like that. only people can or neuroscience. So there are no correlations at all between the 8 functions and the big 5. Tests do not measure your functions. Only people can understand people.
@LOADED
“when i said MBTI was quantity based i meant that it just kind of aggregates how much you have of each trait on a percentage scale.”
In theory, any personality test can be made to be like that. Now a days you can find those kind of things in online MBTI tests, but traditionally that is not how they were done. Big five on the other hand starts and ends with psychological stats.
@illuminaticatblog
“A test cannot tell you which type you are only an experienced person can and tests are not people. ”
Exactly, that is how mbti was like traditionally. That I what I mean when I respond to loaded in the first part of this post.
“So there are no correlations at all between the 8 functions and the big 5.”
Yeah I agree, the functions (which are MBTI proper) don’t neatly correspond to the big 5 stuff, only the MBTI axis stuff does, which technically isn’t traditional MBTI, it is more like a bridge between MBTI and big 5, and sort of ad hoc at that.
” Like how I discovered that there are actually 500 kinds of autism from genetics research. A test cannot go into it like that.”
Yeah, making a test for that would be hard at the very least, maybe impossible. But in your research you could use the statistical methods that psychologists use to develop certain tests. This is not to say doing so will transform the process into a test, since they’ll probably be only ad-hoc in their applicability. You’ll find something using a method, but it may not map on to other stuff consistently enough. Making everything revolve around stats is what some people trap themselves into. As for me personally, I think big 5 does a better job at describing real human personality than the mbti functions do, but neither are perfect, one is merely better than the other IMO.
Its curious that Sailer never talks about economics.
I suspect he agrees with me and Mugabe about economics but would piss off his conservative readers if he said nationalised healthcare is more efficient.
Anyone with sufficient intellect is not a neoliberal. Even the most hardcore Wall Street banker would say Wall Street needs regulation. Robert Rubin personally designed most of the regulations despite being ex-ceo of Goldman Sachs.
It’s funny to think about East Asians in Chinatown when cuckservatives say the “inner city” has a crime problem and a fatherlessness problem.
Or when people say Wall Street, overpaid CEOs, multinational crony corporations, academia, and banks are the problem and you ask them who is overwhelmingly represented in those positions.
Bruno voted for a neoliberal over a national socialist.
Jesus christ.
Social intelligence of Bruno must be worse than a child.
Is it just me or does Puppy seem to get younger and younger every year. He sounds like a 12 year old now.
LOL! You’re so weird.
Pill i find it funny you say evil people look corrupt when you are quite legitimately the most morally corrupt and bankrupt person ive ever had the displeasure of encountering.
you are literally so braindead when it comes to morality that it isnt even funny. you are beyond cynical and hateful towards everything good in this world because you are a narcissist.
you think the world should revolve around you when in fact there is nothing more assured than the opposite!
you are like a Hitler character someone who thinks they can use will to power to subjugate other people into suffering!
You literally once said that the world should revolve around you.
I told LOADED a while back that he seems to criticize people in ways that describe himself more than anyone else.
i may have said that in jest or at least ive contributed benevolent things to this world whereas youre useless especially in regards to bringing good actions into the world!
big fucking difference there m8.
Lurker how is that any true? that probably entails everyones criticisms of anyone because i know the way you and Pill criticize me are more characteristic of you than of me for sure.
all the commenters on this blog should be taught humility in some respect. we are grand giants when compared to mortal men in terms of intellect but we choose to act like complete idiots bickering and compromising potential good resolution as well as thoughtfulness!
Pill and Pumpkin are way too egotistical to let them run this blog the way they do it is an open forum and thus should be treated that way.
Pill is the worst perpetrator of this menacing form of egotism as i think Pumpkin has learned humility these last few months in a positive way.
Pill is always so grandiose and disgustingly self-assured he needs to learn that he can be wrong just as any other.
i speak wisdom but you all shun wisdom in favor of a more self-contrived worldview that relates to unfeasibility of relying on ones intellect too often.
try swaying away from grandiosity and egocentricity by being keen to better natures of our human condition!
^^^chatGPT^^^
i am just trying to seek positivity in this world. not without it. sure i may have hyperrationality like a robot but i am beyond that i am a humanoid who accepts his flaws and perseveres beyond them!
Big brain undomesticated savage checking in.
Dropped out of college after one semester and had a scholarship. Tried the military but got discharged after two years. Never made it past rank of private. None of the tests or work were too difficult, I just didn’t mesh well with other people.
The modern world really isn’t for me.
The way I look and my body language must set off alarm bells when people are around me. I’ve honestly thought about just buying woodworking equipment and living out in the wild. Although I could go into a trade, I don’t really wanna participate and contribute in society anymore.
Proxy’s like the ASVAB and SAT show that I’m about two standard deviations above the mean. Even took all these IQ tests Emil Kirkegaard posted and got ~130 again and again. I’m just too much of a brute.
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2020/04/free-iq-tests-that-arent-entirely-terrible/
i have a 130 verbal despite what others (Pill) think of me. i am also very clever and outspokenly bright but the world does not let me provide insight to those who most need!
STFU and write a book if everything you post is going to be about yourself or barely vaguely related to anything.
Lurker your worldview is so fucked up you deserve to be locked up. you have no interest in truth only in your deluded perspectives on matters that most would find irrelevant.
this is a public forum i do as i please. anyone can write anything about anything on the Internet you have no bound over what i write go fuck yourself and your inbred trailer trash family.
“inbred”
Again you keep throwing out insults that would best describe you and fellow [P word redacted by pp, 2023-04-20]. Each of my grandparents has heritage in different states so it would be pretty miraculous for them to be related
Youreapeon people usually are inbred in certain ways you just might be inbred. you are culturally classless and tasteless Lurker.
you lack a temperament fit to be with other people. learn to get along and then make leaps in your intellectual endeavors. at this point youre just wasting your time.
@LOADED
Pakistanis have higher runs of homozygosity scores and higher IBD sharing results than most Europeans do. Almost as much as Ashkenazim Jews and Finns who are more identical within themselves than most European groups are. If you want to attack Lurker, you would be better off using a different topic.
that may be true but for my case and point Flamin i am from a very widely dispersed geography of Pakistan what the fuck do you mean use a different topic to attack Lurker with he is a retard inbred.
my family from my father side hails from Turkish ancestry geographically speaking and my mother side is from all over Pakistan but mostly Sindh province which is the home of Karachi.
whites can be inbred too not on a full scale but on individual bases they have incest going on in certain families and stuff.
why the fuck would you say something so stupid Flamin? do you mean to hurt me with your silly contrived notions of having superior intellect than I? because i think you cant stand your ground when it comes to that!
@LOADED
“what the fuck do you mean use a different topic to attack Lurker with he is a retard inbred.”
I mean, attacking him on some other grounds would be more fruitful for you because you don’t hold the higher ground here.
“my family from my father side hails from Turkish ancestry geographically speaking and my mother side is from all over Pakistan but mostly Sindh province which is the home of Karachi.”
So your father is from Turkey and your mother is from Sindh? Turkey has higher rates of inbreeding than most European countries do. IDK about Turkey’s IBD sharing scores however.
On the other hand, for Sindhis, IDK about their rates of inbreeding, but their IBD sharing seems to be similar to most Europeans, maybe a little higher but not much higher. So Sindhis seem to be as inbred as Europeans, but not less.
“whites can be inbred too not on a full scale but on individual bases they have incest going on in certain families and stuff.”
Well, IDK about Sindhi levels of incest, I only know their levels of homogeneity. But I do know that cousin marriage rates are higher in Turkey than in Europe.
“why the fuck would you say something so stupid Flamin? do you mean to hurt me with your silly contrived notions of having superior intellect than I? because i think you cant stand your ground when it comes to that!”
My attempt was to correct your course to prevent you from hurting yourself but it seems to have been of little use so far. As for intellect, I haven’t thought about it, but iirc you’ve had lower PATMA and Gestalt scores than me, so I think I can hold a discussion with you just fine.
Loaded is so inbred hes cross eyed.
Look Pill you are an Irish Travelling monkey with no brains. get the fuck out of the way so real men can discuss not manhchildren like yourself! you are a coward!
and Flamin that might be fine that you got those test scores but in actuality my social intelligence is much sharper than yours and i got an 8 on PATMA and a 3.5 on Gestalt which are respectable nonetheless seeing as those are my weaknesses and not my strengths.
i think if we compared each other on a battery of tests id still come out on top Flamin no offense to you seeing as though you are a precocious intelligent individual but still. have some respect for yourself.
@LOADED
Yeah, those are not low scores. I didn’t say or imply you are low in intelligence, and I am not as socially aware as you. But when we have online conversations, other aspects also hold a lot of valency, and I am not worse off in those, so at least I can discuss things with you. I said this as a response to you saying :
“do you mean to hurt me with your silly contrived notions of having superior intellect than I? because i think you cant stand your ground when it comes to that!”.
I can stand at least on even grounds with you when discussing matters like this, and in my first post in this particular thread of comments, I did not imply anything about our relative intelligence levels. I only brought that up as a response to your response. It doesn’t need to be brought up at all! It was just an attempt to get you to stop digging a hole.
well thank you for being honest with me Flamin. not a lot of people keep it as real as you just did. i appreciate it and genuinely hope for your best.
autism test:
what is the reason why fox settled for so much?
it’s OBVIOUS to all non-autists. dersh may not be auitstic. but he’d never say. and that’s a hint.
“Murdoch controls a media empire that includes cable channel Fox News, The Times of London and The Wall Street Journal.”
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Supreme Court rules Fox not liable.
Trump vindicated.
Trump wins the Next election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_of_Donald_Trump
i am the only non-autist on this blog and maybe the least autistic person i will ever know. my systematizing is fine its just that my levels of empathy shroud that of any man even those who wore the Shroud of Turin long ago!
that is grandiosity in a nutshell!
if i am the only commenter then peepee will be forced to come up with multiple answers.
i bet anime kitty can answer correctly but pill can’t.
another hint: fox did not settle because they were actually liable.
dominion was worth less than $100m. fox could have bought dominion for much less than it’s going to pay dominion.
watch the dersh video all the way to part where he starts talking about letters. then you can turn it off.
third hint:
more detail just to convince you of previous hints.
fox’s hosts never claimed dominion was hacked or sent from venezuela or whatever. all any of them did was interview people who claimed such things.
so why didn’t dominion sue those people?
because those people don’t have lots of money.
i asked chatGPT to “write a poem in the style of john ashbery.”
and it wrote a poem…totally NOT in the style of john ashbery. what an idiot!
another get rich quick thing that’s not fake.
before mugabe said real estate in baltimore was a get rich quick scheme.
he was right!
today mugabe says finding some way to…
1. buy russian ADRs.
2. convert them to their underlying shares.
3. hold them until this war is over and sanctions end…just like they did for germany and japan in WWII…
JACKPOT!
NB: requires being UBER-pushy.
hint #4: in wicky ward’s og epstein article…
Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz says, “I’m on my 20th book…. The only person outside of my immediate family that I send drafts to is Jeffrey.”
Alan Dershowitz says that, as he was getting to know Epstein, his wife asked him if he would still be close to him if Epstein suddenly filed for bankruptcy. Dershowitz says he replied, “Absolutely. I would be as interested in him as a friend if we had hamburgers on the boardwalk in Coney Island and talked about his ideas.”
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2003/3/the-talented-mr-epstein
was it vicky ward? did she contradict herself? some journaliste acquainted with epstein said how he seemed NOT very smart…and he when he showed her his “currency trading” she thought it looked like numerology.
I was eating sushi with my pops and his buddy the other day, and we saw some Neo-Nazi with his landwhale of a girlfriend eating in the booth behind us.
We couldn’t help but snicker as they left the bar. The idea of believing you’re the superior race, but your girlfriend looks like Brenden Fraiser from The Whale in a wig is just fucking hilarious.
Those whites who lack superiority as individuals are more likely to claim it in their race. This is one reason why racism is negatively correlated with IQ
When you’re a loser, race, country & religion is all you have. That’s why these people worship trump even as he stabbed them in the back with tax cuts for the rich
Basically, what I’ve been trying to get across to some of these commenters for years now.
You can’t be hyper intelligent and also not see the flawed thinking in racism.
You can’t frequent an HBD blog and not understand human differences.
“not understand human differences.”
Who here doesn’t understand that there are differences between humans?
Not going to bother replying to your obvious bait because PP is an insecure fag who censors people. Worthless.
Melo do you accept blacks are more violent than other races?
“obvious bait”
It’s not bait. I just literally don’t know anyone here who thinks humans don’t vary on biological and psychological traits.
“Melo do you accept blacks are more violent than other races?”
Do blacks commit more violent crimes, per capita, than other races?
Then that’s your answer.
Melo are black women fat and ugly?
Most black women are fat and ugly, just like most white women are fat and ugly.
Melo you are so intellectually dishonest its disgusting. you are a fool. you know nothing about the world you are a pathetic Filipino autist.
try opening your mind. try being a better person to. its possible even for you i grant you.
Lurker you ignorant coward why dont you write about a book about how stupid you are. you pale in comparison to me because i came before you and i did things you dream of to understand where youre coming from.
you are completely worthless in every way. all you can do is argue some stupid notions that everybody but yourself internalized to believe already.
try accumulating knowledge enough to speak on things before you take the step towards complete clownishness.
LOADED I already try to do the latter. You will see I post 10% of the amount you do (except that brief respite when you didn’t come here for a month, how lovely that was).
try not posting at all. see if that helps.
Lurker i do indeed see your point that all that i do is project but is it not the same for everyone and anyone who comments here.
i feel like oftentimes most of the insults are just ways of coping around here as they are merely reflections of ones own imperfections in the mirror.
for example you mock RR and Melo and others when in fact everything you say about them can be pointed directly back at you.
same with Pill and what he does and same with Pumpkin and Mug and Melo and RR and Anime and Bruno and anyone else here!
all they do is make hypocrisies through incompetence when nothing should be said at all in place.
Pumpkin likes to give everyone a fair chance. i like that about the guy. he never fails in his mission for equity. in all respects.
And as I predicted Marianne Williamson is getting very popular.
Sounds like Bernie, but younger and no penis.
Loaded I think you have some sort of mental illness. BPD or something.
yes i have bipolar disorder not to be confused with borderline personality disorder which i think you meant to discredit my great force of actionability in this world.
sure bipolar is a terrible disease but it makes me creative and makes me a very intelligent person at the same time!
“sure bipolar is a terrible disease but it makes me creative and makes me a very intelligent person at the same time!”
LMAO, take your meds, Kanye.
Youre clearly an unhinged person.
no Pill you are. you suffer from schizophrenia something you try to hide but still defines you entirely.
you are a weird schizophrenic dude bipolar pales in light to the considerable damage a bout of schizophrenia has on the mind.
plus youre a really shallow vile person Pill. go ahead and continue to eat shit as i type this.
Wow i did 3 games against one guy and jesus christ it was an arm wrestle. We pushed each other all the friggin way. I ran out of cards to send by the 3rd game.
stereotypes of everyone are for the majority truth in a nutshell. there is nothing more honest than a stereotype of a person.
there are unique characters like me who can break stereotypes but besides that very very few people are capable of doing so!
when Pill or anyone mentions a stereotype i largely agree for rational reasons. its true that at the surface level these things are inherently of value!
besides that i think denying stereotypes like RR blatantly does and Melo does covertly is unnecessary and a falsification of truth!
stereotypes exist as very very useful biological heuristics in humans.
Correct statement for once. You keep blaming me for saying obvious things and this is an example of you copying me ‘saying obvious things’. Anyways, black women are hideous.
yeah obvious things coming from are an actual proof of something that has been thought out well and deeply analyzed on my behalf when you say things its because it is just common “wisdom” which it rarely ever is it goes so much deeper than that.
it needs time to be reflected upon by a true great mind such as myself before we can characterize anything as being the way it is.
My little brother finally introduced me to his girlfriend. She is very petite, blonde, with blue eyes, a globular head, and a small nose. Makes sense; he’s always been a more vanilla version of me. I need a bitch with some ass, but she seems like a really nice girl.
I was also shocked to find out that she was Jewish, but I shouldn’t be. Jews are white, after all. This place has had a bad influence on me.
good for him but i still despise you for your treatment of me based on my mental health.
not a good look for you buddy.
“treatment of me based on my mental health.”
I always treated you pretty well, until you started being a dick to me.
i wasnt a dick to you you were a dick to me. i treated you with courtesy just like i do anyone else.
Filipinos are ugly and disgusting. you are lucky your dad looked a bit like me or else you wouldve been born an unlucky fate my bud.
so the author of the script terry nation must’ve been whacked right?
apparently wikipedia-l-ly …
he died from smoking too much.
all of you are completely useless people. the world would serve to be better without any of you.
Pumpkin deserves to be put on a cross and crucified. or at least subjugated to being my personal ass-licker. he doesnt get that the world is too much for him to handle.
all of you are more unhinged than i. i believe many of you to be agents of evil rather than a force of good look at your god Pumpkin he is a charlatan.
let all of you lead terrible lives except those who praise and understand the greatness of the one true abled one LOADED!
praise to LOADED!