Commenter Pill (aka Philosopher) lacks social IQ. He thinks that bashing another guy’s head with a beer bottle impresses women (seriously).

When he first said this years ago, I told him that such behavior would actually scare women, and former commenter Afro (who I disagreed with on many topics), but who was quite experienced with women, concurred.
But because of low social IQ, Pill simply ignored our advice, thinking he knew better.
So I decided to do a bit of research and found a study where male students from the University of South Florida were asked to estimate how aggressively the ideal man (as judged by women) would react to different scenarios.
Participants completed questionnaires alone or in small groups. The first part of this questionnaire asked participants to read three scenarios involving interpersonal conflicts between men, intended to present a variety of conflicts. In the version of the questionnaire given to men, participants were asked to imagine themselves as the victims in the confrontations. In the female version, women were asked to imagine themselves as observers of the altercations between the men. This allowed us to compare how men thought women would react to male aggression with women’s actual reactions. In the first scenario, a man gets bumped at a party and the man who bumps him calls him an ‘‘asshole.” In the second scenario a man and his girlfriend are repeatedly harassed while attending a
football game (female respondents were asked to imagine themselves as the girlfriend in this scenario). The third scenario described a couple at a mall food court whose seats are stolen, who
then get insulted when they try to reclaim them (women were again asked to imagine themselves as the girlfriend).
Following each scenario, men were asked … what a woman would think the ideal man should do.
For each question, respondents chose one of six behavioral responses that ranged from non-aggressive to progressively more aggressive: … 1.21 = Walk away without responding/Ignore it,
1.79 = Laugh it off, 3.79 = Make a verbal retort, 4.43 = Get in the guy’s
face without making physical contact, 5.04 = Push the guy,
6.00 = Punch the guy
men predicted that women would like more aggressive responses than women themselves reported preferring (men’s guesses about women = 3.47 [1.01]…women’s own responses = 2.65
Notice that punching the guy is a level 6 on the aggression scale, but pill thinks the most attractive response is smashing a guy’s head in with beer bottle which would be like a level 8. So Pill’s estimate is 4.49 SD higher than the average man’s which is already too high. But because university of South Florida men are likely somewhat above average in social intelligence, the true figure might be 4 SD on a more representative sample.
Of course there’s a lot more to social intelligence than judging appropriate levels of aggression so it’s unlikely that Pill’s overall social IQ is anywhere near as low as this study suggests.
It’s also unlikely Pill will be convinced his answer is wrong and instead will think a woman’s true response to male aggression can’t be measured by such an artificial study involving hypothetical scenarios. Indeed he will likely rationalize by thinking the study itself, and those of us who cite it, are socially unintelligent.
“a woman’s true response to male aggression can’t be measured by such an artificial study involving hypothetical scenarios. ”
That’s kind of true though, there’s a social desirability bias not to appear to prefer violent brutes. I’d trust men’s guesses for women to be more accurate since they have an incentive to guess accurately.
Also, is Pill’s claim about the average woman? Because if there’s a lot of women in a place, only one has to be the kind of women attracted to that kind of thing for it to “work”.
Of course, it’s still a retarded thing to do.
Female preferences matter for men when it comes to mating success. But intrasex competition between males is likely just as important, if not more so. Much of the physical (e.g. facial hair) and behavioral (e.g. dominance) characteristics that have evolved in men are direct results of the latter form of selection. When you’re the top male in your tribe after crushing your male competitions, what women think/feel is ideal is less relevant. Though of course, like much of our traits that have evolved in a more ancestral environment, such behaviors may not always be the most adaptive in modernity.
It’s also unlikely Pill will be convinced his answer is wrong and instead will think a woman’s true response to male aggression can’t be measured by such an artificial study involving hypothetical scenarios. Indeed he will likely rationalize by thinking the study itself, and those of us who cite it, are socially unintelligent.
I’m not prophylactically defending Pill here, but I think it has to be asked: Does what women SAY is their preferred behavior match the behavior they ACTUALLY prefer, as judged by their actions outside of a laboratory, survey, or other sterile setting?
I’ve seen studies which found that women thought the ideal male height was about 5’11”, but we all know that it’s several inches taller. They were probably envisioning a 6’4″ Gigachad but underestimated his height, perhaps due to the well-known female deficit in spatial ability.
so managing other people’s money has become “professionalized” in the form of the MBA-CFA.
what does this remind you of?
it reminds me of the professionalization of education in the US. so that a degree in education is required to be a teacher grade 1 to 12. AND these professional teachers score low on tests of subject matter proficiency.
when a sector specific mutual fund is managed by MBAs or CFAs it’s the same thing.
of course it could also be that ted just needs surgery which happens in NC for federal prisoners and he isn’t on the verge of death.
talk about a high T in utero face.
perma-virgin ted k has it.
Which traits signify a high-T-in-utero face? How would I know if I have one?
my whole life girls and women have APPROACHED ME!
I’m sorry to hear that you still work in retail
BUT they were never the girls, women i was INTO.
…
so if i’d been a “horn dog” i’d’ve fucked these women and then…
what?
I know you don’t like hearing this phrase…but you just don’t get it. What women say they want in men is a nice kindhearted hard working pillar of the community. What women ACTUALLY find attractive are bad boys and people with criminal tendencies. If you were socially intelligent you would have known that without me.
So DOZENS of women are all massively lying in the same direction about what they find attractive in an anonymous psych experiment? ThAt MaKKe SeNth.
“Indeed he will likely rationalize by thinking the study itself, and those of us who cite it, are socially unintelligent.”
Correct.
Like Robert said you are half right pill
half of women go for bar fighting guys like my sister but it’s half dummy just half, that makes pumpkin half right so both of you have low social IQ and Robert is high.
He’s not half right. Even the girls who go for bar fighting guys just want a guy who will punch his opponent, not smash his head with a beer bottle. Even THEY would find pill creepy.
pill is the super primitive type I know
PP, I think there’s a kernel of truth buried in Pill’s claim.
As a skinny, short-ish, (probably) autistic male, I’ve always struggled with women. At 20, I was the very picture of a nerd. I was consistently courteous to women. They began to treat me with greater consideration as my appearance became more thuggish, and my speech more natural (less monotone). I’m sure that treating them like mere background objects also helped.
Why do women seem to hate nerds so viscerally? I suspect that women are generally repulsed by neotenous traits in males, and nerds (esp. autistic ones) tend to possess these to an unusually high degree.
Better to be perceived as a roughneck than a dweeb, at least in a low-I.Q. environment.
Neadnercel I’m very sorry please be fwenz with me again 😦
Check ur alt bb
I wonder whether or not Ted is principled enough to disapprove of modern medicine even while it’s potentially saving his life. I recall a libertarian who died because she refused to accept help from others to cover her medical bills.
At the subway, I did not have enough for the sandwich and the drink. The two girls gave me the drink for free. They were being nice to me. This has happened before at different places. Those girls recognize when to be kind to people. Not everyone is like that but most people are sometimes kind.
Pill thinks everyone is a mean girls type person. those girls in the subway would outright reject a bar fight type of guy.
Social IQ cant be determined by scenario-based questions like these especially ones with a true-false or even multiple choice answer bases. most social situations require deep analytical approaches and would not even comply with a psychometrics test for an astounding number of rudimentary social situations.
if you think about it deeply enough you realize most social situations have a grey area. of course some are black-and-white because there are social norms that just cant be justified for or against a priori but regardless you find that social IQ is based on a chicken-egg paradox of things where someone mentions to you that you should do this or that in a social situation but there is never a single cause-effect thing happening.
to examine social IQ you would need to look at abilities from the age of basic development onwards! in society there are a ton more outliers than one would expect so dealing so firmly with what is right and wrong when there are so many potential deviants is nonsensical.
anyways i render Pill to be the most socially intelligent here in many aspects since autists can use logic to deduct what is socially appropriate and what is not but NTs will always have an advantage (barring some extreme cases of savant ability in the autist for social deduction) because of an instinctual understanding that the NT possesses.
as a closing statement i would say that women do find male violence attractive in a subconscious level but consciously aversive to it due to the fear that it may one day happen to them. if they trust a guy enough to know that his violent behavior would never affect them they would voluntarily opt to be with that man with all else being equal.
women are narcissists.
Correct analysis. Maybe you aren’t so dumb after all.
Commenter Pill is so wrong, it’s funny.
Merry Christmas, ya’ll!!
peepee celebrates kwanza and she thinks the world’s richest man is prole.
It wasn’t until he was 17 until he moved away from his birth country, so does Elon Musk speak Afrikaans? No – Elon doesn’t speak Afrikaans. Whilst he was born in South Africa, and while he had to take Afrikaans lessons when he was a child, in fluency, he is monolingual.
OMG he’s prole as hell. Rich, brilliant, but prole. He was a guest on Joe Rogan & has autism.
Puppy you don’t understand what the word autistic means clearly.
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/elon-musk-aspergers-self-test-entrepreneurs-temple-grandin.html
I thought you said that being autistic was patrician? Rogan has had plenty of dignitaries on his podcast. Musk is just down to Earth, even if he’s literally launching rockets into space!
No Im not wrong. Youre gay you wouldn’t understand the first thing about women.
A gay guy would understand women best of all you dumb ass.
For normal people:
Violence = CRAZY and SCARY
Attractive men are relaxed, sociable and comfortable in public…
NOT looking for people to attack.
Mental illness is just sad!
there was an extremely over the top, like psychotically, gay south asian guy who was called “oprah biggest fan in canada”.
peepee said, “i’m not him. but i’ve met him. he’s a pretty cool guy.”
she might as well have said, “that’s me”.
but why would a psychotically gay south asian also think he was a [n word redacted by pp, 2021-12-26]?
did peepee grow up in an all black ‘hood?
He’s a legally bling lawyer in Ontario
In fairness, a 10/10 hot guy could probably pick up women even if he acted like a roid-raging gorilla.
Maybe there’s a modifier effect here where hyper-masculine, dominative, aggressive behavior makes a hot guy more attractive to women, but an ugly guy less attractive. Only genetic superiors get to flex their superiority.
If that were the case, the hot girls in the study (who presumably were picturing their hot boyfriends when answering the questions) would have rated the ideal level of aggression much higher than the non-hot girls (who pictured their non-hot boyfriends) thus creating a huge SD and even a bimodal distribution, but that didn’t happen.
What makes you think they were imagining their own boyfriends? I figure most of them imagined their idea of a super-hot male, regardless of their own attractiveness. I also figure there’s more overlap than not between their ideas of the ideal male, but that’s tangential
I figure most of them imagined their idea of a super-hot male,
Then that makes your thesis even less plausible, because they rated the desired level of aggression relatively low
hm good point
Lots of women phantasize with vampires, zombies and werewolf wich I interpret as an instinctive urge to be dominated, abused or raped or being chosen by a male that could do that to others.
I don’t know where it come from but it could be left unspoken by many.
My social skills are probably too low to be helpful to Phill’s position on this one though 😊
What do you call a fat bitch with a rape whistle?
Optimistic
I’m surprised pepe let that one through
Ganzir, Jokes wich are demeaning to women (not gays, handicapped, old people etc) generally don’t make me smile (and even make me feel uncomfortable) except when they are brought up in a sarcastic context with some narrative by someone with skills at doing it, like Louis C.K. or his French girlfriend Blanche Gardin.
Likewise, Double entendre doesn’t make me smile either even if sometimes I appreciate the skill of the speaker.
Charisma should be more important than it is. It is a lost art form that has been replaced by the dark triad.
Charisma is something ive almost mastered once it becomes societally accepted again I will dominate the plebs.
I’ve been taking Prozac for 2 weeks. It really helps. The cold doesn’t bother me anymore. Used to be really bothered by it. I could feel the serotonin increase. Fluctuations in my head. Rebalancing. pain being integrated.
Everything is being reintegrated. Makes everything feel better.
You ban me, PP?
Sadly you have been banned.
awwww whhy :((
Teffec you can have an invite to the ganzir.info Discord server which has some of the people here. Send me a Discord message. Ganzir#1729
Why ? Your adverb makes clear you agree Teffec is a wonderful commenter so there must be a compelling reason …
Not in the know, I strongly advocate for Teffec.
Teffec is one of your highest IQ commenters. I feel he has extreme political viewpoints but he has always be very nice to everyone here in the comments I have read from him.
Thank you for the support, bros. We’re back in business
pumpkin,
could you do an article on the general factor of intelligence? mine is 130 and I was wanting to know more about it.
I don’t think Pumpkin should or needs to do an article about something which has been so extensively researched and discussed. Might I suggest Jensen’s The g factor?
PP, when do you we’ll be able to explain >=50% of the heritability of IQ? 2040-2050?
Before 2030. It’s just a matter of getting whole genome data on a large group of people who have taken a long intelligence test.
And then you incarnate all the high-IQ variants, or at least the ones not strongly associated with genetic diseases, into one individual. It’ll pay for itself when they win all the Millennium Prizes.
It’s that easy. Literally that easy. There was already some Chinese scientist who apparently modified a human embryo for HIV immunity. He’s currently rotting in Chinese prison, so I bet he regrets that; but still.
By the end of this century we’ll be second class citizens to a genetically modified human race. Future generations will have to be selected for empathy so they don’t treat previous generations as inferior scum.
Ganzir youre a fool and your iq isnt nearly as high as you think it is.
Ive never once seen you make a smart statement or assumption. Once!
Ganzir is extremely bright and has said very smart things.
Any examples? Its okay to parrot other peoples opinions or verified facts but its much harder to solve problems independently!
i agree. ganzir has a low IQ.
Ganzir’s tested IQ is 20+ points above yours
Which test did Flagon of Urine even take? The SAT?
The Jesus freak clings to the SAT because he’s ashamed of his score on ACTUAL IQ test: WISC-R. Scored average on Digit Span and said his highest score was Vocab. Conveniently can’t remember any other scores except that mazes was his highest performance score.
If we generously assume he got a 19 on vocab (maximum score) and a 10 on Digit Span, & assume his median scaled score was half way between both extremes, that’s 14.5.
If we generously don’t deduct for the Flynn effect (norms are from 1972 and he was tested in the 1980s), that equates to an IQ of 132.
1. ganzir doesn’t exist.
2. you’re lying again about my “tested IQ” because you’re evil.
Not lying about a damn thing. You discussed your childhood WISC scores years ago.
you also had at least one score of 10 which you misinterpreted as an 11 on your carnival side show “IQ test”.
here’s a video which proves you have a low IQ and that oprah is the anti-christ.
https://odysee.com/@TheCharlieWardShow:f/must-watch.this-video-is-10-years-old-and-has-never-been-more-relevant-than-it-is-today-freedownloadvideo.net:d
she is a satanist
Only prole low IQ low schizos use the term “Satanist”. You’re so embarrassing.
you also had at least one score of 10 which you misinterpreted as an 11 on your carnival side show “IQ test”.
LIE! You don’t know how to read a chart. My scores ranged 12 to multiple 19s. This is proven by all my scores being “High Average” or higher.
“High Average” = IQ 110 to 119 and IQ 110 = scaled score 12 because scaled score * 5 + 50 = IQ
is the anti-christ.
Only low IQ schizo proles worship Jesus to the point of using anti-Christ as an insult.
you scored no 19s and multiple 10s.
JESUS = GOD peepee. he is the second person of the trinity.
Tarded prole
you scored no 19s and multiple 10s.
No 10s are dead average. I had no scores below the HIGH average range,
Loaded, you’re a fool, and I’ve never seen you write a grammatically correct sentence or paragraph. Once!
Here goes nothing: Ganzir, friend, you, sir, are incapable of higher thought. Instead of being pedantic, work on being more industrious and having better quality perspectives so that you may one day contribute something of your own and not repeat what others have already laid the groundwork for and essentially built independently of your minor alterations, which, well known to others, exist solely to serve your interests.
This would be known to others as abstract and properly reasoned out judgments.
Do I make myself clear to you here or is your comprehension of meaningful arguments against your convictions?
Loaded, if you can’t get along with others, then maybe you shouldn’t be here. BLOCKED!
Stfu
i was not exactly saddened to hear of peepee’s AIDS diagnosis.
if anyone deserved it. it was peepee.
Only low IQ proles unironically use anti-Christ as an insult. Mug of Pee of St. Shit is too dumb to even fake it.
The bitter irony is that some of the best humanitarians I’ve met or heard about were/are atheists or agnostics who’d make better examples of many of Christ’s teachings than too many (whom I refer to as) institutional Christians (i.e. those most resistant to Christ’s fundamental teachings of non-violence, compassion and non-wealth). Conversely, some of the worst human(e) beings I’ve met or heard about are the most devout practitioners of institutional Christian theology.
When a public person openly fantasizes about world peace, a guaranteed minimum income and/or a clean global environment, many ‘Christians’ reactively presume he/she must therefore be Godless thus evil or, far worse, a socialist. This, despite a big chunk of Christ’s own teachings epitomizing the primary component of socialism — do not hoard morbidly superfluous wealth in the midst of poverty.
Just the concept of socialists having any power anywhere on the planet likely causes distress to most Republicans. Some may become so narrow-mindedly enraged by it, they, with their tightened fist trembling before them, will utter: ‘I would vote for the devil himself if that’s what it took to keep those Godless socialists out of office!’ …
Jesus must be spinning in heaven knowing what atrocious behavior is connected to the faith.
Youre so immature banning me like this.
Only by providing an email at which I can send you a social judgement test that you will take, can you earn your way back.
Robert’s IQ being 132 is highly probable. That’s 20 points above my own.
Of course, he did score high on an achievement test like I did.
They’re not the same as mental manipulation capacity.
But IQ tests don’t have enough subtests to get an accurate picture.
he is smarter than 98% of the population.
“Notice that punching the guy is a level 6 on the aggression scale, but pill thinks the most attractive response is smashing a guy’s head in with beer bottle which would be like a level 8.”
What would be a level 7?
Something in between punching and beer bottle head smashing. Use your imagination.
We have to be able to name a concrete action between punching and beer-bottle-smashing. Otherwise, we can’t jump two levels.
Head butting
Oki
I just noticed this comment in the paper “Accurate Genomic Prediction of Human Height”:
For example, predicted heights correlate ∼0.65 with actual height; actual heights of most individuals in validation samples are within a few centimeters of the prediction.
0.65 correlation is good, but since height is roughly normally distributed, I could get within a few centimeters every time by guessing 176cm for males and 162cm for females. I think the authors should have noted that.
not every time, sorry, but most of the time
Pepe, have you ever heard of von Willebrand disease? My DNA test said I’m an unaffected carrier for type 1
Actually, that’s what it sounded like from the DNA test itself, but other sources say that there’s no such thing as an unaffected carrier for type 1 VWD. It’s just that if you have one allele, the symptoms are much less severe than with two, but still present. I should remember that in case I ever need surgery
i saw it on oprah and in the National Inquirer. it was reported by geraldo too.
santa claus is real and he has been detected deep inside uranus.
It’s called National Enquirer, dumbass!
^ Pepe just outed herself as a middle-aged housewife who buys tabloids every time she goes to Publix
that’s hilarious. only a prole would know that. peepee outs herself once again as uber-prole.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/inquire-vs-enquire/
fior example there’s another newspaper called:
Yes the Enquirer is super prole but you don’t have to read it to know what it’s called. It’s the most famous tabloid in the World. You see it in the checkout line every time you go to the grocery store so a proficient brain will eventually absorb its name.
One characteristic of high g people is they absorb information, even about things they care little about. Jensen described a university professor who had disdain for professional sports, but much to his surprise, he knew more about baseball than an IQ 75 baseball fanatic Jensen knew. High g minds absorb a lot of information, much of it incidentally.
Probably they confused it with Holy Inquisition.
I sometimes wonder whether general male aggression and/or sexist behavior toward girls/women might be related to the same constraining societal idealization of the ‘real man’ (albeit perhaps more subtly than in the past)? He’s stiff-upper-lip physically and emotionally strong, financially successful, confidently fights and wins, assertively solves problems, and exemplifies sexual prowess. (Meanwhile, there’s the Toronto Now article headlined “Keep Cats Out of Your Dating Profile, Ridiculous Study Suggests” and sub-headlined “Men were deemed less masculine and less attractive when they held up cats in their dating pics, according to researchers”.)
Shortly after Donald Trump was sworn-in as president, a 2016 survey of American women conducted not long after his abundant misogyny was exposed to the world revealed that a majority of respondents nonetheless found him appealing, presumably due to his alpha-male great financial success and confidence.
Perhaps society should be careful about what it collectively wishes for.
Pepe do you believe spanking children is acceptable?
No
I recall reading a study that children who were spanked have I.Q.s 7 points lower as an adult. I don’t buy that for a second. More likely that dumb parents are more likely to (a) spank their kids and (b) have dumb kids.
But I still think spanking is damaging, just not with respect to IQ
How else are you gonna get low-IQ hellspawn to shut up and stop destroying things like the demons they are?
I’m serious. The anti-spanking movement will say that you should always explain to the child why their behavior is wrong. That will usually work with bright children, but a sizable proportion of kids (and probably most black children) are just too stupid to understand right from wrong unless it’s accompanied by an immediate, unpleasant, disincentive.
The solution isn’t to hit stupid kids, though; it’s to prevent stupid kids from being born.