The Kalash are a fascinating population because they look just like whites, yet are indigenous to South Asia. Genetically, they are more distant from Whites than Whites are from the blackest skinned South Asian which is why I’ve long argued that genetics is a poor way to define race.
Human populations show subtle allele-frequency differences that lead to geographical structure, and available methods thus allow individuals to be clustered according to genetic information into groups that correspond to geographical regions. In an early worldwide survey of this kind, division into five clusters unsurprisingly identified (1) Africans, (2) a widespread group including Europeans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians, (3) East Asians, (4) Oceanians, and (5) Native Americans. However, division into six groups led to a more surprising finding: the sixth group consisted of a single population, the Kalash
The Kalash Genetic Isolate: Ancient Divergence, Drift, and Selection
Qasim Ayub,1,7,∗ Massimo Mezzavilla,1,2,7 Luca Pagani,1,3 Marc Haber,1 Aisha Mohyuddin,4 Shagufta Khaliq,5 Syed Qasim Mehdi,6 and Chris Tyler-Smith1
So isn’t that interesting that when you divide the human genepool into five clusters, you get traditional races: 1) Negroids, 2) Caucasoids, 3) Mongoloids, 4) Australoids, and 5) Americoids. But when you divide us into 6 clusters, the Kalash emerge as their own distinct macro-race. This shows that the split between Kalash and conventional Caucasoids is about as deep and as ancient as the paleolithic splits between major races like Native Americans and East Asians and predates civilization, agriculture and even the Holocene.
Since the split from other South Asian populations, the Kalash have maintained a low long-term effective population size (2,319–2,603) and experienced no detectable gene flow from their geographic neighbors in Pakistan or from other extant Eurasian populations. The mean time of divergence between the Kalash and other populations currently residing in this region was estimated to be 11,800 (95% confidence interval = 10,600−12,600) years ago, and thus they represent present-day descendants of some of the earliest migrants into the Indian sub-continent from West Asia.
The Kalash Genetic Isolate: Ancient Divergence, Drift, and Selection
Qasim Ayub,1,7,∗ Massimo Mezzavilla,1,2,7 Luca Pagani,1,3 Marc Haber,1 Aisha Mohyuddin,4 Shagufta Khaliq,5 Syed Qasim Mehdi,6 and Chris Tyler-Smith1
If the Kalash diverged from the ancestors of whites 12,000 years ago, yet look just like whites, then either a white looking phenotype evolved twice independently, or much more likely, the white race is at least 12,000 years old.
Whites should be very proud to be 12,000 years old! Young enough to imply evolutionary progress (if you believe in such) but old enough to have been selected by nature (before agriculture and civilization).
It would be nice if some of the white nationalist types who are so concerned about preserving the white race, would put some of that energy into preserving the Kalash who are far more at risk of extinction and represent the last representatives we have of original whiteness.
With a mean IQ of 100, whites are one of the highest IQ groups on the planet (behind only Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians). But were their genetic IQs 100 from inception, or did they only become 100 after agriculture and civilization. We know for example that Native Americans and Arctic people score lower than their East Asian cousins, suggesting that the neolithic transition might have boosted IQ.
Thus I would predict that the Kalash (even if raised from birth in middle class Western society) would score at least 0.5 SD below conventional Whites.
It’s also interesting that the Kalash are some of the earliest migrants into South Asia. Is it possible that South Asians evolved from whites?
Pumpkin Person 
Genetics isn’t a “poor way to define race”—but we don’t need genetics to delineate race. Just because the Kalash appear in K=6 runs doesn’t undermine the bio-genetic cluster argument for race.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/02/18/minimalist-races-exist-and-are-biologically-real/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/06/09/blumenbachian-partitions-and-mimimalist-races/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/03/16/race-as-a-genuine-kind/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/01/04/you-dont-need-genes-to-delineate-race/
Also note that Rushton doesn’t define race at all, and Jensen’s “definition” is ridiculous and reduces to “generic differences between groups exist so the groups are races.”
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/11/06/hereditarian-reasoning-on-race/
Are you assuming—like Chuck—that all clusters are races?
peepee literally can’t stop lying.
she gives one picture of a child and then claims the kalash look white.
no they don’t!
wrong facial skeleton, the definition of race.
Most of them look pretty white to me. Whiter than Italians look.
i bet the kalash are more closely related to persians than to tamils.
americans don’t know that iranians speak an aryan language and that that language, persian, is spoken in afghanistan and central asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language#/media/File:Persian_Language_Location_Map.svg
here’s an afghan:
Puppy youve never been to italy. Ive been to sicily, the so called darkest part of Italy. Most of the locals easily qualify as white. There are some italians that draw some ancestry there from arab rule but its a small amount.
Some of them look white. Many look like they come from the caucuses. Armenian, azeris, ashkenazi jews…that kind of ilk.
Second comment is about the kalash.
“Whiter than Italians look”
Cherrypicked ones, maybe, but overall, no.
I think south asians or brown race evolved in the sahara or the saudi arabian desert. They evolved from east africans IMO.
Brown race is a desert race just like how negroid is a rain forest race and mongoloid is a temperate grassland race. Brown race has straighter hair compared to west and east africans so that sweat doesnt accumulate in the hair. Their eyes are deeper set than that of africans to protect from the desert sun. Their bodies are hairier than that of africans to protect from night cold temperatures in the desert.
This is strictly my opinion. I dont have any evidence
This sounds about right.
There isn’t a common brown race like that. But brown races in various places could have evolved under the selection pressures that you have mentioned. At least recently that is. Looking at ancient inhabitants of these different regions, there was a lot of heterogeneity in physical composition.
sorry in meant to say ‘so that sand doesnt accumulate in the hair’
Puppy when will you blog about meghans accusation (aided and abetter by Mama Oprah) of racism against the royal family. I thought you said higher class people evolved not to be racist.
“Higher class people evolved not to be racist”
Can I please have the link to this post?? Please
I’ve been asking this question myself for a while
There is no such post. What I’ve argued is high IQ people can break free of genetic goals (sex, tribalism) & pursue higher goals (justice, morality)
“WHITES ARE AT LEAST 12,000 YEARS OLD”
And yet, I don’t feel a day over 11,900.
LOL
Younger Dryas?
Why, yes! Mom tells me I was the first kid in the neighborhood to sport an auburn mammoth jumper.
(Frankly, I’d never heard or read of the Younger Dryas. I’ve learned something. Thanks)
The Kalash kinda look like some of the peoples who inhabit eastern Russia, just with slightly darker skin.
Genetically, they are more distant from Whites than Whites are from the blackest skinned South Asian
When humanity is divided into 6 genetic clusters, Europeans, Middle Easterners & South Asians form one cluster with the Kalash forming another.
And from this you draw the conclusion that the Kalash are a race?
No, I consider them part of the white sub-race of the Caucasoid race.
But didn’t the “Kalash emerge as their own distinct macro-race”? What’s a “macro-race”?
If you look at shaved chimps, etc, they are also white. I imagine the phenotype could re-arise multiple times.
Don’t tell white supremacists that. They pride themselves in looking less like apes than anyone except East Asians.
I’ve heard people call east asian people monkeys before. Never whites.
When people call East Asians monkeys they are referring to tailed monkeys. Comparing a person to a tailed monkey is so absurd it’s not even an insult. It’s like me saying you look like a bird. However when others are called monkeys it’s implied that the look like anthropoid apes and that hits much closer to home because these are closely related to humans, and thus can’t be laughed off as an absurd insult.
I know what you mean, but calling an east asian a monkey is not that unheard of. Doesn’t matter that its not as bad as what blacks get called.
Both get called monkeys, but the meaning is different
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peepee says spaniards don’t look white to her and that italians look less white than some [p word redacted by pp, 2021-03-16] tribesmen.
please post pictures of these non-white/less-white looking spaniards and italians.
Puppy is an idiot. He’s never actually been to spain and italy like myself. About 90% of the people in these countries look white.
I’ve never been to Spain & Italy? Are you mad? Never said they didn’t look white, I said they don’t like as white as most kalash look (but I could be wrong)
I don’t even know what the p word is other than “pumpkinperson”
I bet its for [p word redacted, by pp, 2021-03-16].
Lol. But I think I figured it out with Google plus context.
20% of sicilians could prrobably pass as lebanese/iranians/israelis/etc. some even look mestizo.
my computer isn’t letting me post pictures though.
Israelis are quite whits. Unless youre talking about sephardic jews i.e. the real jews.
I divide the Caucasoid race into whites (Europeans & kalash), dark caucasoids (West Asians, South Asians, North Africans) and purples (ashkenazi jews).
I assume you wouldn’t group together two different species as one just because they had a similar phenotype Pumpkin, isn’t it a bit strange to do the equivalent with races/subspecies?
Is the only reason you’re doing that to avoid having to label Kalash a separate race? Has that k=6 result been replicated? I thought the biggest genetic differences were all in Sub-Saharan Africa, why aren’t pygmies, khoisan etc jumping out as separate races earlier than the Kalash?
“purples”?
Yes a lot of Ashkenazi Jews have a slight purple hue, so I’m calling them purples, since all the other racial colours are taken:
Looks white to me.
I can’t believe I never knew who the cranberries were until earlier this year. Crazy. And I thought I was wise about music.
this shows that of caucasian peoples, southeast indians are most distantly related to europeans.
lots of indians have a european facial skeleton, but not all. some of these are related to abos, melanesians, and negritos. so even if they had lighter skin and stopped [redacted by pp, 2021-03-16] they wouldn’t look european.
you can also see in the above how iranians are much more closely related to europeans than either is to the darkest skinned south indians.
i would bet the kalash are closely related to iranians just like tajiks are ethnic iranians living outside iran.
iran and afghanistan are extremely mountainous, reducing gene flow within and across them.
Sardinians being put further from other Europeans than middle easterners and south Asians are? Yup, its Fst hogwash. Use better tools if you want meaningful results.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28138956/
naturally the above authors will explain the midget-tude of sardinians as NOT because race.
so the shortest people in europe, the continent with the world’s tallest people…
no!
cavalli-sforza was right and cheetos cause AIDS.
Fst is outdated. Use better and more up to date methods for accurate results. If you are confused then I can help you out and point you in the right direction.
Here is a hint: since basic Fst has among other things a recency bias, the low amount of steppe ancestry results in overblown Fst differences between Sardinians and other Europeans in comparison to better methods.
Great song from the 80s. The cinema at the end of the video is still there and looks the exact same.
Steve Harper might be the most musically gifted politician of the last 50 years. You should be proud of that puppy.
You can almost feel the shock of the audience as they realise hes actually really good. I prefer his version to the beatles.
interesting
If politicains weren’t corrupt and in on it, tax havens would have been banned 50 years ago. Theres a great book by Nicholas Shaxson on their history. Switzerland was the original one even the nazis didn’t want to threaten because it would piss off too many people, including the nazis backers. Then the brits started polluting the west by giving these small islands they owned the ability to effectively make the UK tax system regressive by making the middle class pay 90% of the taxes.
My guess is that even if switzerland and the caymans et al, were closed down, it would just move to another place. The world’s elites need to just accept that society won’t work if they don’t pay any taxes. Sadly this only happens in wartime situations.
And of course, I’m not even talking about the group of people I suspect have privileged access to their country’s printing press.
Interesting list of celebs who married their fans.
https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-who-married-their-fans/celebrity-lists?ref=nxtlst&collectionId=98&li_source=LI&li_medium=desktop-next-list
I have heard Elvis was interested in Priscilla precisely because she looked younger than 16….In modern definition, Elvis was a paedophile. Amazing fact I know.
Justin Bieber seems to have a fetish for black women. Robert De Niro and David Bowie definitely have jungle fever.
>they are genetically more distant to whites than whites are of south Asians
No
Genetic similarity is relative
But they are definitely more genetically similar to us “whites” (indo-Europeans) such as Celts, Germanics and north Iranians than we are to the “darkest south Asian”
These people migrated to India (and other regions such as Western Europe, China and Persia) from the Eurasian steppe where the first modern humans (indo-europeans) evolved their genetic traits such as light skin, creativity and intelligence
The proof of this is that these people speak a language connected to the indoeuropean family
so they are descendants of aryans from the steppe and did not develop white skin in South Asia but were rather invaders
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations
Obviously they may have only later acquired that language.
So you really think they spoke another Language and then adopted an indo-aryan language from the people that looked exactly like them and were genetically the same?
That’s like a very low iq pattern of thought
there is also the genetic evidence which is irrefutable (you can’t change or hide genes)
These people have high amounts of Rb1a Y-haplogroup which is rare in south Asian populations
Rb1a is also most prevalent in Western Europe (about 70%)
The first real Humans originated in the Ukrainian steppe and spread all over the world leaving a trace of their genes in India
All human accomplishment has come from this genetic group (Egyptians, Sumerians, Indus Valley, mongols, Greeks, Romans, Vikings, English, Germans etc)
All human accomplishment has come from this genetic group (Egyptians, Sumerians, Indus Valley, mongols, Greeks, Romans, Vikings, English, Germans etc)
It might be simpler to just tell us who is NOT in this genetic group.
At least according to this article they’re far from the same. The real low I.Q. pattern of thought is to over-rely on haplogroups as a measure of genetic distances — this is simple maths — or explicitly assume linguistic continuity when that’s unclear. We already know that a Burushaski-like language has been spoken in a wide area in northern Pakistan.
> It’s also interesting that the Kalash are some of the earliest migrants into South Asia. Is it possible that South Asians evolved from whites?
It is wildly known that South Asia has been populated long before aryans invaded
Indigenous South Asians are Dravidians, and are not even 100% Homo sapiens (not trying to be rude or anything) but ithey have high amounts of Denisovan dna which is a long extinct archaic hominid and only found in Australian aboriginals , South Indians and south East Asians
It is 99.9% unlikely that modern south Asians evolved from “whites” but they are rather a mix of dravidians, which are descendants of denisovans, and aryans
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/ancient-origins/genetic-study-suggests-denisovans-were-the-mythological-rakshasas
“only found in Australian aboriginals , South Indians and south East Asians “
That’s not true.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)30175-2
The Kalash must have spoken an entirely different language before the Aryan invasion, which may be a help for reconstructing their geographic and cultural prehistory. Has there been any research on the hypothetical substrate influence (loanwords, etc.) of said language on the modern Indo-Aryan variety spoken by them? Couldn’t find any with a quick Google search.
1- Shooped pic
2- Kalash aren’t divergent from anyone by 12,000 years. They look genetically distinct because of extreme inbreeding. They are descended from distinct people who mixed around 4,000 years ago at max.