I’m very gratified by the huge response to the PATMA. This test is dear to my heart because it’s the first program I ever executed online. I had to learn both Python and HTML (“Oh Easy Peasy; like doing long division in the 4th grade” as Oprah would say).
Speaking of what Oprah would say, there’s an entire generation that still programs in Quick Basic, and they just need to die:
Now here are the results of the poll of self-reported PATMA scores.
If we remove the ten fake scores of 10 added by commenter “Mug of Pee”, then perhaps 127 real votes give the following percentages.
10 = 14%
9 = 24%
8 = 24%
7 = 23%
6 = 11%
5 = 2%
3 = 1%
From here we get the following percentiles with their respective normalized Z scores:
10 = 86 (+1.07)
9 = 61 (+0.27)
8 = 37 (-0.33)
7 = 14 (-1.07)
6 = 3 (-1.87)
5 = 1 (-2.33)
4 = 1 (-2.33)
Based on previous research on a Gestalt test normed on the general white population, my readers have the following IQ distribution:
As you can see, an IQ of 137 puts you in the top 26% of my readers (+0.66 SD) while an IQ of 106 puts you at the 10th percentile (-1.27 SD). From here we can guestimate that on a scale where whites have a mean IQ of 100 with an SD of 15, my readers have a mean IQ of 126 with an SD of 16.
Thus, to convert PATMA scores to IQ, we multiply the normalized Z scores by 16 and add 126.
PATMA 10 = IQ 143 (very brilliant)
PATMA 9 = IQ 130 (brilliant)
PATMA 8 = IQ 121 (very bright)
PATMA 7 = IQ 109 (bright)
PATMA 6 = IQ 96 (U.S. average)
PATMA 5 = IQ 89 (dull)
PATMA 4 = IQ 89 (dull)
Of course these numbers are all very tentative and more research is needed.
[update aug 20, 2020: an earlier version of this article overestimated the IQ variability of my readers by giving too much weight to low outlier scores on the Gestalt test. Helpful feedback from commenter Rahul caused me to revise the numbers]
Pumpkin Person 
I would find it hard to believe that any of your readers have an IQ of less than average. (or even average for that matter) Looks like a blog written by very bright people, for very bright people.
To reiterate what youre saying I dont think anyone has a full-scale below a hundred or has a benchmark score anywhere near there but that’s because theres a primarily verbal tilt on this blog. The math IQ might still be indeed what Pumpkin estimated it to be but I agree verbally the commenters are leagues above average (quite literally if you use a standard deviation to denote a league haha).
Now some of this test required abstract reasoning so this test might underestimate that since it has a mathematical component however the math IQ part may very well be highly legitimate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#Perpetrators
So the official line is the russians hacked the DNC to help trump.
But the hacks happened during the DNC primaries and the emails showed the DNC helping Hilary over Bernie…
So basically the official line is stupid. Sorry Melo.
I’ve been researching the Qanon thing and its pretty stupid. Almost like purposeful misinformation to cover up Pizzagate.
More likely to divert attention from Epstein/Maxwell’s Mossad connection.
qanon started before epstein’s second arrest.
you need to stop commenting on everything, because everything you think you know is just something you made up.
They may have known the feds were closing in on epstein & that his case would inspire conspiracy theories so QAnon may have been preemptively created (or at least promoted) to both discredit & control the narrative of said theories.
Pill is thinking “damn, once again puppy stumbles upon the right answer by accident!”
No I think your idea they set up qanon to pre-empt the epstein stuff is totally wild.
But setting it up to discredit pizzagate is not wild?
you’re both missing the point. people believe in qanon and pizzagate because they know that they are ruled by evil people who hate them and that they are powerless to do anything about it.
when obama was still president chomsky talked about how many people thought he was being controlled or held back by something. chomsky said they overestimated obama’s commitment to peace. he was a douche just like all presidents.
Funnily enough there’s even more evidence coming out that vindicates Russiagate. But it was already obvious.
As obvious as Epstein not killing himself.
At this point I’m convinced deniers are literally blind. Philo were you one of those dudes who thought the Mueller report exonerated Trump?
I’m seeing more and more of those people around and I can’t help but laugh at them.
Like did people not know who Trump was before the election LOL?
Also what do you mean by “Pizzagate”? If you mean that there was an underground ring of pedophiles and sex trafficking, then duh everyone already knew that. But the original pizzagate theory is absolutely ridiculous.
Mueller did exonerate him.
The original pizzagate theory was based on interesting emails.
LOL, so you clearly didn’t read the report.
the melo personality and rr need to be banned.
none of peepee’s 127 personalities are smarter than she is.
At least I have a personality.
WTF you deleted my criticism instead of just moderating it? LOL
Puppy do people actually pay you to do this type of analysis? If they do, they are fucking stupid.
you only think it’s stupid because your score was super low
So you think the results are plausible?
I think it’s plausible at the high end but, I think the IQ equivalents are way too low at the low end. There’s obviously something wrong with at least some of my statistical assumptions.
QED
Probably because a bunch of low scorers gave up or got pissed off and didn’t vote.
Pumpkin, at the low end, if you look at the gestalt test norms, the tenth percentile is still a 106, so I’d assume that at the tenth percentile for the PATMA norms, it should be at least around there.
The last three questions felt like the last two questions they’d give you on the arithmetic subtest.
Pumpkin, at the low end, if you look at the gestalt test norms, the tenth percentile is still a 106, so I’d assume that at the tenth percentile for the PATMA norms, it should be at least around there.
That’s the smartest thing you ever said. So the 10th percentile for my readers on the PATMA is around 6.5 so 6.5 should be IQ 106. The IQ equivalents are totally fucked at the low end.
Okay I added an update note to the bottom of the article. The IQ equivalents have been radically updated.
Sorry, off topic.
Melo can you give me that reference on the Floyd death that talks about the physiology behind the breathing? I looked and I can’t find it thanks.
Hold on I’ll see if I can find it
I believe it’s on Pumpkins post “Psychosis on the WAIS: the case of D-2”
Tell me if you find it.
So close. It wasn’t there. It was a commentary in some weird journal if I recall right.
rr is despearate to find a reference to something that didn’t happen.
floyd ODed.
No he didn’t.
Simply repeating the opposite doesn’t change the fact that I’ve already proved you wrong.
Sorry buddy.
Hey I think I found it
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186
Yesss thanks Melo you’re the man.
I needed to show this to someone who was spouting off the usual BS about this. Saved for future reference.
100% confirmed now you are some sort of IT person.
I’ve never worked in IT in my life
9 on PATMA, 133 on WAIS-IV
Yeah and there’s no average score. Most people should fall at average. It was very weird to me. The first eight were simple and I immediately put the answer. The last two were difficult and I still don’t know how to do them. The entire scheme is janky and needs a lot of work.
But if the top 26 in the gestalt test were 137, would that also be the case for scores 9? Wouldn’t it be around 133? And if 50% is 120, wouldn’t 7 be around 110 because in this group it corresponds with 38 to 15th percentile?
Oh poo, my bad, the Standard Deviation for your reader population is much greater than the average, and you also used the lowest percentile possible.
Can you still reasonably infer that your Arithmetic score is a truer indication of math IQ than the patma?
well, I am probably not of any use anymore because I never say anything but “yes
” to all your findings 👍 Here is a one- case proof. My ability to calculate mentally as far as I have figured it out so far falls in the range 13 – 14 out 19 on a ” Wechsler -like” pre-IQ scale, So that range 113-126 fits well my 115-124. To be honest, I would like to locate it more precisely ,since it is one of the weakest parts of me
But Pumpkin, if you apply the same norm of the gestalt test to here, the bottom 24 percent in the gestalt test had a 106, wouldn’t it be closer to that for the PATM?
Goddamnit, I got number 8 after using paper and calculator and a couple attempts. That being said, I did get my variables mixed up a lot. If this is the case pumpkin, can you add it to the score since you eventually got it?
Paper & calculator is cheating
I’m gonna put myself between nine and ten because I made a careless mistake on like question 7. I got it right on my second attempt.
Pumpkin, I managed to get a 780 on the SAT math (after studying), and on a good day, my arithmetic score is 14-15.
My matrix reasoning scored a couple years ago was 110 (from the test itself, I took a form of ravens matrices on iqtest.dk, counting for age I got a 120), is my math IQ around 115?
Also, for reasoning tests such as this, would it really matter if paper was used? Didn’t you say you doubted whether or not it’ll have an impact?
I’m reading a politics textbook at the moment by Andrew Heywood and would you believe in the small section discussing secret police usage he gives the example of the CIA assassinating JFK!!!
I can’t believe a mainstream textbook would suggest that.
The official story is the Warren Commission report which was the first time the term ‘conspiracy theory’ was used in public. The author of the report of course being my favourite political figure – Allen Dulles.
Chris Mathews goes ballistic anytime people push JFK conspiracy theories
that’s because he killed JFK. he also killed oswald wearing a jack ruby costume.
There is no reasonable evidence to push for JFK conspiracy theories. It is widely accepted in Academia that JFK was killed by Oswald.
Oswald being the shooter doesn’t rule out a conspiracy. He was a strange dude.
Read this book and forever be at peace with da troof:
You’re right in that Oswald being the shooter but there’s really no clear cut evidence to back up any conspiracy theory. This is also due to the nature of conspiracists who are generally off-base with reality, making the theories too absurd to believe. Unless there is clear evidence to back up conspiracy claims, it’s better to believe academia’s consensus, and academia is probably correct regarding this anyway.
i assume pill knows 3 other presidents were whacked prior to jfk.
it’s not like a rare thing in america.
were booth, guitaeu, and czolgosz part of a ridiculously yuge and elaborate conspiracy too? what about the guy who whacked palme? was he a south african agent? the conspiracy theories aren’t just for american heads of govt.
what about verwoerd? the first assassin failed with a gun. the second succeeded with a knife…part of a vast conspiracy?
No they found the murderer of palme recently with solid evidence. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52991406
Oswald was also killed by the cia.
And so was rfk. Sirhan Sirhan was brainwashed poor guy.
Ruby was CIA?
admiral james bond stockdale said “whatever ross says” in the 1992 vp debate.
oprah won’t be deplatformed for her eliminationist racism against whites because mostly she just says, “whatever the jews say.” if she said, “old jews need to die” she’d be deplatformed. what a loser.
shows Oprah’s incredibly high IQ that she knows where the REAL power is, and unlike pill, didn’t need the internet to figure it out.
Oswald wasn’t supposed to survive the assassination. It got bungled because local police arrested him before they could ‘suicide’ him.
So they’ve stitched up Steve Bannon with a fraud case. As usual the point isn’t to win the case per se, but character assassinate him and drain his bank account on legal fees. This is the kind of stuff the ruling regime in Singapore does to its opponents.
On the other hand I should be less cynical. Maybe he did commit fraud. But isn’t the suit also from the same office that charged the NRA with fraud? Seems political.
why would he do that? i thought he was rich already.
Hopefully Lion will allow my comments after Loaded decided to character assassinate me by telling him I was a schizo (I’m not fully).
lol are you schizoid?
Lion sounds like a great guy to troll. He blows a gasket at the slightest hint of antisemitism.
Thats because hes jewish
Pill I dont want a confrontation but imo you have too many traits related to being a schizo its impossible to not label you as one.
Sorry but thats from objective observation!
an antisemite now means anyone who opposes jewish world domination.
Im diagnosed as schizotypal like the guy in Taxi Driver
Wow that explains everything about you lmao
I didnt mean it in an insulting way i think schizophrenia is a rather “cool” thing. Obviously debilitating but the milder symptoms sound very imaginative and can lend credence to success in the artistic side of things sometimes even the scientific side of things.
Pill as much as I bug you with my views on this blog i wanna let you know youre appreciated and it would suck if anything bad happened to you…kind of. Also own that schizo shit youre cool enough to do so…kind of.
🙂
psychiatry is a pseudoscience. everyone can be diagnosed with everything. just shop for a psychiatrist who’ll tell you the world is flat and only schizos think it’s round.
Oh, so this is low at the low end. So my Arithmetic scores and my SAT scores aren’t completely bogus. What’s the low end though, because 113 seems a little low for getting question 8 correct.
gerald ford survived two assassination attempts.
reagan survived one.
rube goldberg assassination scheme?
John Hinckley Jr. the man who made the assassination attempt on Reagan was mentally ill, continuously watching Taxi Driver with Robert De Niro (which was inspired by George Wallace’s failed assassination attempt) and with a deep obsession with Jodie Foster from that movie.
His attempt to impress Jodie Foster with what wouldve been one of history’s craziest assassinations ever and impacted history in such a dramatic way is interesting enough tbh way more interesting than JFK had it been successful.
If Reagan died they would have replaced him with GHW Bush.
Basically the exact same as what happened anyway.
But JFK they killed because he tried to ‘reform’ the CIA and sacked Dulles.
pill might get off to this:
the guys who tried to whack hitler according to the court historians were in fact
numerous.
even the desert fox (another of the greatest generals of all time) was implicated…and whacked himself supposedly.
there was the assassination of horst wessel, low level guy…
reinhard heydrich was the big assassination for the nazis.
was that a vast conspiracy? or just some slavs with too much vodka?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anthropoid
The brownshorts set fire to the reichstag.
Gulf of tonkin was a false flag
9-11 is suspicious
The anthrax letters were traced back to a cia lab?
Mossad and epstein
the nazis did NOT set fire to the reichstag you [redacted by pp, aug 21, 2020]!
and “we” know this because court historians have EVERY incentive to claim they did and yet none of them do.
kirov’s assassination also seems to have just been an EXCUSE.
the enambling acts would have happened anyway.
the great purge would’ve happened anyway. stalin knew he had lots of high ranking enemies years before kirov was whacked.
why don’t you concentrate on your won country’s most famous assassination?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
peepee lets me call pill “fucktard” = selective enforcement of her hatespeech laws.
Yeah wait a minute what’s up with that shit Pumpkin?
in 2011 some historians claimed they’d found proof that the SA set the fire via a tunnel.
the response was: Last week, Der Spiegel published a 10-page rebuttal of the four historians’ conclusions. It said: “The thesis which holds that van der Lubbe was the only arsonist involved remains the most plausible explanation.” Although MrTobias was not an ex-Nazi, the magazine conceded that other former members had been employed.
in the 60s, the same magazine had done its own investigation and found no evidence of nazi involvement…naturally they were accused of protecting ex-nazis or some such nonsense.
WTF he gets to call me fucktard and I can’t just say hes a [redacted by pp, aug 21, 2020]?????
I should not have let him say that either & it’s now redacted
The test was normed on this blog sample so everyone should get an extra 16 points to be closer to the WAIS. So average on the blog is really 116.
As I explain in the article, the norms were already adjusted for the high IQs of this blog’s readers.
WHY ARE UNAPPROVED COMMENTS NOT SHOWING UP?
YOU STILL HAVE NOT EXPLAINED.
Pumpkin, I did iqtest.dk and at first got a 105, which at the time I was 14, when put on ravens norms it was a 120. I did it a few more in the next 6 months, but I noticed more patterns and got a 120. Then I took the WAIS matrix reasoning and got a 120. Is the 120 accurate?
I actually got a 104 first time I took IQTest.dk which i felt embarrassed about at 19 (24 now) but realize that “norming” it would have a significant positive impact on my score.
I think I would estimate my IQ to be around there though like ive mentioned id say my verbal is higher than that and so is my abstract reasoning but not by much just 5-10 points.
Puppy still doesn’t understand why his analysis is terrible. When I said QED it was to show you can’t even analyse why your numbers are stupid.
Just because you scored 5 out of 10 is no reason to attack the analysis
LOL why are you lying??
sorry 6 out of 10. But it’s okay because your gestalt IQ was 128 so that will pull your composite score up.
WTF I never did the ‘patma’. Stop trying to evade discussion of your terrible results.
Hod do you know my IQ equivalents are so inaccurate if you never took the test. Take it:
http://techsupport.pythonanywhere.com/
Because you don’t understand basic psychology and how this would bias the results.
Any analysis based on self-reported results in a self-selected group of people will contain bias but it’s the best I can do for now. Ideally, the test would be given to a random sample of the general population. The bigger problem with the test is the last 2 questions are kind of biased in favor of serious readers of my blog so people here might have scored higher than equally talented non-blog readers.
there are ZERO serious readers of your blog peepee.
Yeah I do man, but it requires a non-disability to notice
Heh Heh I got in a reference to danes in my lion comment he published. Heh Heh
You left some good comments. But that comment probably also underscores why Lion supports Biden. He’s confident that his agenda will be protected.
Is he socially liberal?
What do scores mean? is my IQ really 96?
That’s a rough estimate of how you scored on this one test. But more research is needed.
So based on the tests you took on this blog:
Gestalt IQ: 121
Math IQ: 96
Full-scale IQ: 110
Do you remember what I got on the gestalt?
You said you scored the same as cat (3 out of 4) but you also said you only fully saw the second item after being told the answer so I’m guessing you actually got 2 or 2.5 out of 4 so IQ 106-114
I remember getting a 3.5 on Gestalt but what intrigues me more is my semi-remarkable performances on tests of general knowledge PP has on here especially the name-the-face one.
Im very very good with faces and my general knowledge of modern day pop culture is extensive enough.
What can I say im heterozygote for these typa things.
i swear i saw samis on the way to the dog park this morning. i also saw lubavitchers near the park. but the samis were in my neighborhood.
it looked like a mother and her two cillens. or were there three?
question 1: why am i so sure they were samis?
question 2: why is it remarkable?
I was with my girlfriend in a cafe in Barcelona and they happened to have their year contest with a 600euros ham prize (Pata negra bellota jabugo) and I won it ! There was two interesting questions I thought to give you. One quite hard.
There was an individual question selection, out of around 305 we passed 5 (4 males 1 female (a spanish judge). And then each one could select someone to help them and I chose my girlfriend for translating with google into Catalan.
They called it enigmas but it’s a verbal IQ test. It’s done by the brother of the owner who is a tenured professor of law in Barcelona university. We were in team of two (table separated for covid) and my girlfriend just used google translate to translate answers in Catalan. People were joking that in 30 years it’s the first time that a foreigner, and even more a tourist, won the prize the year they are almost none in the city. But very good atmosphere. Generally the winner share the ham but they are mostly friends and I wanted to get the ham for myself (my girlfriend is a bit anorexic so she doesn’t eat ham) so I didn’t …
Two of the 5 questions were :
I)
Wine : fruit : Beer : X
X= [answer redacted by pp, aug 23, 2020]
II). The hardest one.
A verb: To do as one wants
To O _ _ _
X= [answer redacted by pp, aug 23, 2020]
The difficulty is that generally the subject of do is the subject of want. To solve it you have to imagine to different subjects to think about [redacted by pp, aug 23, 2020]. Wich is hard because the notion of subject here is hidden are treated automatically by the brain grammar module (to take a Chomsky like expression) . I had already solved this question I saw on Le Monde paper and I found it very quickly so it didn’t make a difference I used my memory the second time. The brother told me et came up with the idea by himself but he confessed reading Le Monde, the NYT and La Vanguardia every day since ever, so he may remember it …
It was fun.
You can hide the answers if you want to use the questions .
The second question is very clever
Yes. The difficulty drops 90% if you let my explanation.
I won because of this. It’s more difficult without the O. There was not this clue in Catalan or french but I had to change it for English where they would be other 4 letters words that would fit.
It’s more difficult than any Mega test verbal.
Is the first one grain?
Btw you forgot to redact the answer to #2 in Bruno’s explanation. I figured it out before reading it though. I promise.
Thanks. Fixed it
Well done Austin. Quite a clever cookie as Trump would say 😊
Out of 30 to 35 people
Allen Dulles was an anti-semite as well. He picked Nixon to run for office. Amazing how the establishment does a 180 on the dane question after Nixon.
damn i got 5/10 on this :(. i thought the first half was easy as well as some problems in the second half. the last three questions were really hard. idk. so it seems this would give me 89 iq and i also got 114 iq (raw 2.5/4) on the gestalt test thing. so full scale iq of around 102? averageee!! 😐 in general though, im mediocre at math, wish i was better. but i guess math is just hard.
i wonder if your iq can go down if you don’t do anything intellectually challenging for months at a time? (quarantine thing, not much to do). ifso, is it reverasble??
https://gab.com/heartiste
Its good to see CH lives on despite being de-platformed by wordpress. I don’t agree with everything he says but he makes me think.
Thanks Philo. The guy is very original and interesting
I done share Any of its anti woman anti gay stances but he is entertaining
Does Mug have a relationships with Heartise ? There is something similar among them …
Pumpkin, what would you estimate the practice effect on this test be after some 2 weeks?
i got a 7 on the patma. Should i go to college?
you’re smart enough to
^ what pp said but college isn’t necessarily the best choice anyway. Look into vocational school. College is good if you want to wait until we have a covid vaccine so you can get drunk and laid though
Peanut gallery, here’s a challenge for you. Throw number sequences at me, like was done to the Promethean that PP mentioned in the blog post above. Just don’t make them RIDICULOUSLY hard.
1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say 11. Could be A if we’re in hexadecimal.
Scroll down if you’re ready to see the answer I was looking for:
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12 (it’s the next one syllable number)
LOL I DIDNT NOTICE THAT THE 7 WAS MISSING, FUCK ME
Lol, I got the right answer, but my logic was that 11 and 7 rhymed.