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Arthur Jensen, g factor, processing speed index, psychometric speed, reaction time, speed vs power tests, time bonues, Wechsler intelligence scales
A reader wrote:
My first question: although IQ tests purports to be designed empirically, it feels like the weighting of speed vs. accuracy is completely arbitrary, whats up with that?
The way I see it, IQ tests are just a sample of all your cognitive abilities. But because no one knows the nature and number of every cognitive ability in the human mind, all psychologists can do is select an arbitrary sample that is as large and diverse as possible. Luckily, all cognitive abilities appear to be positively correlated and by prioritizing cognitive abilities that correlate well with every other known cognitive ability, the total score presumably predicts unidentified cognitive abilities also.
The reader continues:
I don’t think any IQ tests score you on speed, but most of them have a time limit that’s not long enough for the average person to complete it, giving people who can finish it faster an advantage. While there’s certainly a correlation between one’s speed of reasoning and quality of reasoning, they seem to me like ultimately seperate qualities, yet IQ tests tend to lump them into one. For example, who is smarter, a person who finishes a test in time with 60% accuracy and is confident he got everything right, or a person who finishes half the test before the time runs out so gets a 50% but could have gotten 100% if given twice the time.
Some IQ tests do provide subscores for the so-called speed factor (the Processing Speed index on the WAIS-IV for example) but most timed IQ measures use speed as a convenient way of increasing the test’s difficulty, not because they’re trying to measure speed per se.
For example on a Wechsler spatial subtest, 15% of 16-year-olds are capable of solving every item within the time limit (which is a few minutes for the hardest items), but by giving bonus points to people who can solve the easy items within 10 seconds and the hard items within 30 seconds, only 0.1% can get a perfect score. So the use of time bonuses increases the test’s ceiling by two whole standard deviations without going to the trouble of creating more difficult items that would make the test too long.
When time bonuses are not given, a lot more people score perfect but the rank order of people remains virtually identical especially at age 85 to 90.9 where the correlation is 0.99! (WAIS-IV Technical and Interpretive Manual, Appendix A). The correlation is slight lower at younger ages (but still 0.93+) because of all the ceiling bumping when no time bonus is given. Such absurdly high correlations prove that when used judiciously, time bonuses merely add ceiling without changing the nature of what is being tested.
On group administered tests, the time limits not only don’t typically affect the rank order of scores much, but they don’t even increase the ceiling much. Arthur Jensen has reported that that when the Otis verbal’s time limit was increased by 50% (45 minutes instead of 30) , the average score only increased by 1.5%. When the Otis non-verbal time limit was increased by 150% (30 minutes instead of 20), the average score increased by only 1.7%, and when the Henmon Nelson increased its time limit by 67% (50 minutes instead of 30) scores increased by 6.3% (Bias in Mental Testing, 1981).
The notion of quick superficial thinkers vs slow profound thinkers is probably fallacious. People who do well on the Wechsler Processing Speed index actually have slower brains than people who do well on the untimed Raven Advanced Progressive Matrices. Once you control for general cognitive ability (the g factor), psychometric speed and has no correlation with reaction time (The g Factor by Arthur Jensen).
The reader continues:
My second question, kind of related to the first: what actually is the g-factor? The idea is that g is a construct that links the performance of all cognitive tasks, but how can you actually calculate such a number? It makes sense to me to, say, measure the g-loading of a sub-test with respect to a full IQ test, but how can you measure the g-loading of an entire IQ test? Is it just the test’s correlation to all IQ tests? Wouldn’t that just measure how close the test is to the average IQ test? Also, the idea of a g-factor would seem to require a definition of what’s “general”, and that doesn’t seem like something that can be done empirically. Like if we lived in a society entirely base in music, then would the g-loading of piano skill tests be higher than math tests? And do tests of speed or tests of quality have higher g-loading? Then again, I haven’t read up on much of the literature so I could have some major misunderstandings.
In theory g is the source of variation that all cognitive abilities have in common so the larger and more diverse the battery of subtests from which g is factor analytically extracted, the more likely g reflects something real (as opposed to an artifact of test construction). If we lived in a society based on music, everyone might reach their biological potential for piano playing, while math might be esoteric trivia, so the former may indeed become more g loaded than the latter in that context. However the g loadings of novel tasks, that are not practiced in either our society or the musical one, should have similar g loadings in both.
“In theory g is the source of variation that all cognitive abilities have in common so the larger and more diverse the battery of subtests from which g is factor analytically extracted, the more likely g reflects something real (as opposed to an artifact of test construction). If we lived in a society based on music, everyone might reach their biological potential for piano playing, while math might be esoteric trivia, so the former may indeed become more g loaded than the latter in that context. However the g loadings of novel tasks, that are not practiced in either our society or the musical one, should have similar g loadings in both.”
Can you provide a satisfactory, non-circular definition of ‘general intelligence’? The IQ-ist must demonstrate that people are ranked according to their performance based on a real property. The property, by definition, is IQ—what IQ-ists call ‘g’. But there can be no evidence that is dependent on measurement to hypothesize its existence.
What’s the specification of the measured object, the object of measurement and the measurement unit for IQ?
IQ-ists claim that IQ is like height and temperature. But there are 0-poimts for length and temperature – no 0-point for IQ.
I already answered all these questions recently.
But I should add, IQ tests do not measure g directly the way a stadiometer measures height. Rather g is something that is inferred from diverse cognitive ability measures like spatial, numerical and verbal reasoning. It’s as if we were measuring height from various height related physical abilities like basketball skill, high jump, & fencing.
[redacted by pp, may 14, 2020]
“g” is not a property of individuals.
it is a property of an individual test for a particular population.
from an IQ test (battery) has (or should have) a high g loading it does not follow that…an individual’s score on an IQ test is a measure of his g.
but because psychology professors [redacted by pp, may 14, 2020] reify g, incoignizantly assume it is a property of individuals, and believe the latter statement does follow from the former.
how can all tests positively correlate without there being some difference between individuals that causes the correlation? Please explain.
g is just another way of saying that the average of scores on randomly selected tests converge and that averages differ.
for example if person A tosses a fair coin and person B tosses a biased coin, in the long run the frequency f heads and tails will converge to different values.
when i toss a coin i get all heads. [redacted by pp, may 14, 2020]
and oj was acquitted.
my dad told me the prosecution and judge were incompetent…
my mom told me bugliosi would’ve gotten oj the chair or however they do it cali.
RIP bugliosi.
no northern italian whishes he was a southern italian unless he is a homosexual attracted to gangsters.
The Ahmaud Arbery incident would’ve been a great social IQ test a few days ago before all the info came in.
Most common responses and their scores:
1. Innocent jogger randomly gunned down by racist rednecks = fail (socially retarded)
2. The McMichaels suspected he was a criminal and tried to stop him but had no right to do so or to use deadly force = partial credit (low average)
3. The McMichaels had good reason to believe Arbery committed a felony and had every right to do what they did under Georgia law = full credit (above average)
Haha youre retarded simply by having edgy views that go against the status quo to such an incredible degree like that. Its absurd and a bit autistic to think that the majority of people would have social IQs that are low/retarded while a bunch of bigots and hate mongers would have superior social IQs.
Morality and social IQ correlate highly out of cultural necessities and the fact that social IQ itself is subjective. Maybe in another world where the two didnt associate with each other would we see your analysis being the right one.
Regardless taking action into your own hands is something the law prevents and thus serves no utility. There actions could be condoned had it not been for a murder towards someone totally innocent. I dunno how white people are so dumb they cannot reconcile their worldviews with their actions.
A minority seeking instant justice would be rebuked even if a white had committed an even heinous crime! Things to keep in mind.
I’m not even trying to be edgy. Answers 1 and 2 don’t make any sense. They knew they were being filmed!
And in GA citizens are allowed to arrest someone they suspect committed a felony. Arbery was not just looking around.
A minority seeking instant justice would be rebuked even if a white had committed an even heinous crime!
Still waiting for the someone MSM to rebuke the Delaware graveyard shooter. You think it would take this long if the races were reversed?
Aggressive males with high t confronting an interloper on their turf oblivious to their actions illegality and risking imprisonment is a bit autistic. Got it.
Yall dont have high T you fucking moron! Whites are the easiest race to have a nice solid confrontation with especially without modern tech.
Its simple as this…take away the guns, porn, drugs, phones, etc and see whos really winning…most likely not whites tbh.
Fuck a white man and woman they can suck my dick. If i had known about how fucked white culture is I’d be the highest T guy on here no doubt slush fund faggot bitch.
Truths will be truths and whites have benefitted from technology the most. Thats the only point I need to make and the only one that matters.
Austin Slater doesn’t know what he’s talking about. LOADED,
Cringe…
Youre saying that my comment is cringe?
Im stating facts not opinions here!!!
Unlike Mug of Pee, I actually think Mike Enoch is legit. I have the same east coast Episcopalian background and I can confirm all of the anecdotes.
For example, I called my dad the other day and he still believes it’s a combination of 1 and 2. It’s very sad.
-doesn’t know what Social intelligence is.
-calls neurotypicals socially retarded
This edgelord should change his name to Autist slater. Because only an autist would confuse morality with legality and social intelligence with logical thinking.
Sad.
Autist slayer is not even right about the legality either.
Hence the aggravated Assault charges. Aggravated Assault is one of the most serious crimes in GA up there with murder, Rape, Armed Robbery.
To commit Assault in Ga you need not actually phisically hurt someone
O.C.G.A. 16-5-20 (2010) 16-5-20. Simple assault
(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:
(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or
(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.
Simple Assault is just a misdemeanor. What makes it aggravated Assault is that they were armed with a deadly weopon.
6-5-21. Aggravated assault
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; or
Then the fact that they killed a guy during the commision of a felony makes it Felony Murder. Its literally the same thing as murder except the prosecution doesnt have to prove they meant to kill him. The punishment is Life or Death.
16-5-1. Murder; felony murder
(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.
(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.
(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.
They werent allowed to citizen arrest him because they didn’t see him commit a felony. Tresspassing isnt a felony and they didnt even see him do that.
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
No surprise that the 2 wannabe blacks side with cnn on this issue.
I love how despite me literally laying out the law and disproving Autist slater’s entire point. Dumbass here still handwaves it with “duhuhuhuh muh CNN”.
(g) is the parietal lobe as the control center.
Speed is the cerebellum making sure all brain areas are coordinated.
(g) is the network structure.
Speed is the balance between nodes and links.
Remember the brain is a network.
There is much science behind how networks work.
people are fast when:
1. They know what they know.
2. are uninhibited in creativity.
one is access to long term memory (muscle memory)
two creativity layers multiple perceptions together
generating new creations can happen fast if uninhibited
new information can be acquired fast if few mistakes happen
mistakes is a perception issue
combinations is an associations issue
fast combination and few mistakes
but g is structural
g determines how / in what way things are combined
g determines how to correct mistakes
g is good/bad instructions
speed implements them
If melo and loaded love the blacks so much, why dont they just move to africa and get raped or something. Then theyd realise what the(((media))) is portraying is lies.
Why not stay in America and get raped by whites?
I dunno how you dont understand this but America is already a hostile place for a non white. At least in Africa I’d be protected under their provisions something that could not and would not happen here.
Whites have raped and destroyed minority culture far worse than vice versa or between one another. Just remember that key fact and youll realize why I have the beliefs I do.
Youre a melodramatic idiot. You choose to live in America, not pakistan or africa lol.
I guess but that doesnt change how I feel…
Lmao he’s so mad.
Here I’ll go ahead and lay out irrefutable evidence of Russiagate and an interactive map that goes with it and he’ll just prove how Autistic he is by saying “lOL iDiOt”
Let’s begin our journey with George Papadapoulos. This Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, who has plead guilty to charges laid out by Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation, provides a timeline of events. He was offered dirt on Hillary Clinton by a mysterious professor with ties to Russia.[1] The Trump campaign knew of hacked emails before Trump made his rally speech in which he asked Russia to release their collection of hacked emails.[2] Special Counsel Mueller’s indictment of Papadapoulos listed him as a proactive cooperator – the implication being that Papadopoulos might have engaged with his former colleagues on behalf of investigators.[3] Professor Mifsud, the individual with ties to Russia that had met with Papadapoulos offering dirt on Clinton, has since gone missing.[4]
After Papadapoulos was offered dirt, top Trump campaign officials met with Russian operatives. Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Trump Jr. were present at the infamous Trump Tower meeting where adoptions were discussed with Russian operatives.[5] Adoptions is an established euphemism used in reference to the Magnitsky Act, sanctions that are meant to cripple the power of Putin.[6] President Trump’s son, son-in-law, and Campaign Manager met with Russians with the expectation of receiving damaging information about Clinton.[7] One of the Russian operatives present at the meeting, Rinat Akhmetshin, has ties to Russian intelligence and has a history of being embroiled in court cases related to hacking campaigns.[8] During Fusion GPS CEO Glenn Simpson’s Congressional testimony he confirmed that the Trump campaign likely received foreign intelligence aid as Manafort had close ties to Russian Intelligence.[9]
We know Manafort was in contact with Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska during the campaign. We know Paul Manafort offered to give the Russian billionaire private briefings on the Trump campaign trail.[10] Manafort used a campaign account for the aforementioned email correspondence.[11] According to videos recorded by an escort that were discovered by Russian opposition activist, Alexei Navalny, show Deripaska meeting a Russian Deputy Prime Minister on a yacht 1 month after the email correspondence between Manafort and Deripaska took place, the United States came up as a topic of discussion.[12] Russia has threatened to block access to social media sites, such as YouTube and Instagram, if they do not remove the videos of Deripaska and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Prikhodko meeting on the yacht.[13]
Now here’s another avenue of possible collusion, Roger Stone.[14] While Roger Stone has attempted to downplay his communication with Guccifer 2.0, he has admitted to have been in contact with the DNC hacking suspect.[15] According to the Daily Beast report, US investigators have found out that Guccifer 2.0 is a Russia Intelligence Officer that worked for the GRU.[16] The discovery was made because the Russian officer forgot to use a VPN while logging into Twitter and WordPress. Last month investigative journalists discovered direct contact made between Roger Stone and Wikileaks.[17] We also know that Special Counsel Mueller has been asking questions about whether or not President Trump knew of the hacked DNC emails before they were released. They’ve asked about the relationship between GOP operative Roger Stone and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and why Trump took policy positions favorable to Russia.[18] WikiLeaks can be considered an extension of Russia’s 2016 disinformation campaign,[19] we knew that WikiLeaks shared material hacked by the GRU[20] before The Daily Beast report was released.
https://www.newsandguts.com/trump-russia/
This is irrefutable garbage.
No one cares what you think Billy.
Go back to jacking off to loli hentai and whining about white genocide.
White genocide was always a stupid thing people glommed on to. Yes, during the 2016 elections, many conservatives moved into the Alt-Right camp parroting grotesque views of Stormfront/Daily Stormer without an inkling of real understanding. I fought back against the white genocide narrative and tried to get people to understand what a displacement (NOT replacement) is. White displacement is historically validated; the idea of low-wage non-white immigrants is not new, of course – think South Africa.
And I haven’t watched anime in years to know what loli trends you’re familiar with.
Is immigration pushing “white displacement” too? Should we disallow immigration because of “white displacement”?
You know that as countries modernize and get wealthier—meaning when women are well-fed and they have lower child mortality—that birth rates decrease? So how funny is it that one of the white nationalist claims to disallow aid to African countries is completely false?
A popular misconception is that providing the developing countries with more food will serve to increase populations; in other words, it is a self-defeating policy.28 The more food women have, the more children they will have and the greater will be their children’s survival, leading to population growth, so goes the argument. However, the experience of the demographic transition described above suggests the opposite. As people become more prosperous, which includes being better fed and having lower child mortality, the fewer children women want. Providing they then have access to family planning methods, the fertility rates will drop and the population will cease to grow.29
Ref 28: Hopfenberg, R. and Pimental, D. 2001. Human population numbers as a function of food supply. Environment, Development and Sustainability. 3:1–15.
Refs 29: Foster, A., and Rosenzwieg, M. 2006. Does economic growth reduce fertility? Rural India 1971–1999. Delhi: NCAER India Policy Forum.
Gertler, P., and Molyneaux, J. 1994. How economic development and family planning programs combine to reduce Indonesian fertility. Demography 31:33–63.
Poston, D. Jr, and Gu, B. 1987. Socioeconomic development, family planning and fertility in China. Demography 24:531–551.
Developed countries have an imperative to aid less developed countries; only good can come from it.
Source: One Billion Hungry: Can We Feed the World?, Conway
Billy are you saying that we shouldn’t let non-white immigrants into America all because whites birth rates are too low? If so, why should that be a reason to disallow immigration? Should we ban immigration for the time being and vet people before? Or should we just shut the border because whites aren’t having enough kids while the people emigrating here do? (Their birth rates will decrease, too.)
Where is my comment?
It violates my comment policy.
Why is it that every time you make a prediction about some groups IQ, you always estimate it to be right under 130?
Everyone from CEO’s, presidents, and Harvard students. Isn’t that a bit peculiar? Perhaps even convenient for you since your IQ is right above 130.
Yes i’ve noticed that but it’s not intentional, it’s just a consequence of estimating IQ statistically. Because IQ is just one of many factors that affects achievement, a successful group almost never averages above the top 2% unless their achievements stratospherically rare or extremely g loaded. An analogy with athletics might be relevant: Height is an advantage is almost all sports, but world champions in few sports average above the top 2% of U.S. (white) height.
Yeah, I guess there are so many other factors that collectively outweigh IQ that it would skew it slightly down.
One interesting person who has a net worth over $400 million is Tom Bilyeu. He revealed his SAT score to be 990, link below, which gives him an IQ of about 105. He’s a pretty exceptional exception. He’s often talked about how incessantly he worked and how money hungry he was. That combined with luck probably led to his fortune.
As if luck isn’t huge when it comes to success and IQ isn’t causally efficacious for income—social class/education explains it
dude!
the thing is…
high VIQ (but not that high) and merely adequate PIQ is the IQ profile of most of the masters under “global free market capitalism” today…
but in terms of median household income it’s less unbalanced.
why?
because fish swim, birds fly, and man talks…
and VIQ is also a proxy for “do you know what the fuck is going on?”
because fish swim, birds fly, and man talks
you could just as easily complete the sentence by saying man makes tools. That’s the genius of Wechsler verbal-performance dischotomy. It captures the two ways the human mind evolved to manipulate its environment: the mouth (verbal) and the hands (performance). One could even say performance IQ is even more uniquely human because bipedalism freed the hands, paving the way for more brain size.
how many things are pukka and not pukka at the same time?
trump is pukka and anti-pukka.
monk is pukka and anti-pukka.
but the swank [redacted by pp, may 14, 2020] might be on to (onto?) something.
if people are divided into…
1. those who grok monk…and those who don’t. and…
2. those who don’t are further divided into…
a. those who think monk is the emperor’s new clothes vs…
b. those who simply dislike jazz in general…
unlike a lot of fine art, monk is NOT a (((plot))) to subvert whitefolk.
dude was pukka!
BORING!
You’ve been talking about the same shit for the past 5 fucking blog posts.
Can you be anymore autistic? NOBODY CARES ABOUT MONK YOU GIANT LOSER.
Monk is great!!
I never said he wasn’t.
can you believe how many south asians there are in germany?
i repeat myself…
south asians have yuge advantage in euro countries because…
1. racially closer despite sometimes black skin. (like white men way prefer indian women to black african women.)
2. most indians’ native lanhuage is indo-european and those whose isn’t learn english in school better than china people because british raj.
what does the rr personality think of this?
is sumo fake…in the sense that any nfl offensive lineman would DESTROY hakuho?
(((swankipedia))) defines “syncopation” as…
“a disturbance or interruption of the regular flow of rhythm”: a “placement of rhythmic stresses or accents where they wouldn’t normally occur”
rythm is when.
pitch is where.
here’s the whole bloody steak…listen and weep….
the most Cynical of Cynical monk’s trio tracks…
it’s funny how the whole of rock n roll is summarized, digested, regurgitated, condensed, and recapitulated by one song…
the one song you think of when you think about your dog now dead…
and how music in general and pop music specifically is for young people, because stupid.
and how the director-of-The Godfather‘s best movie features that song 8 years after its singer had drunk himself to death.
the connection between…
The End
the final scene of Apoclypse Now and The Heart of Darkness
thelonious monk
ted kaczynski
jesus
diogenes of sinope
original intent…
heidgger
the NSDAP
animal rights
environmentalism
anti-capitalism
etc.
it’s incredibly obvious isn’t it?
ERWACHE!
why is the “hakenkruez” called a “swastika”? what do germany and india have on common?
answering this question isn’t hard for people who don’t have low IQs.
WHAT’S THE SIMILARITY?
Anime means life. It also means the female spirit in man. Life is a self-sustaining spiral. Every molecule is in motion in every cell. Animate is the motion from the meaning of the Anime. The 3D motion of spiral in time. The path in time. Life is fertility. A new spiral slightly different genetically. Anime is life. Animekitty. Life Kitten. Kitten of Life. (Anime)
Anime is great too!!
Indians & Germans are both ayrian
Caucasians?
PP why are you pushing outdated race theories.
both partly aryan.
and the point is…a european political party putting an indian symbol (never a european symbol) on its flag is extremely weird in the sense of “noteworthy”…not in any pejorative sense…”weird” like elon musk is weird…
but answer the other question. what do all those things have in common?
hint: all of those things have one of those things in common.
RR IS PUSHING OUTDATED RACE THEORIES AND LYING ABOUT OUTDATED RACE THEORIES BECAUSE GAY AND SOUTHERN ITALIAN.
I do not know what connects them all but I do have clues. First of all Ted Kaczynski was anti singularity. He believed A.I. would be evil or used for evil. He knew many academic evil people in power. Technology is bad and everything should go back to Amish technology levels. He was anti-capitalism / resource subjugation of the poor.
These evil people who use technology, have no restrictions on how they can use it. The secrete societies are now supplanted by intelligence agencies. This goes on with the power of Intelligence. What is knows about the individual can be used to simulate how they will behave in the situation they are placed in. Options become available in a technocratic fashion to attain efficiency in the system.
That is all I know.
The rest I am hesitant to say much.
Thanks for the in-depth response. And wow, looking through the comments, all of them are unrelated to the post and completely asinine and bigoted. I guess that’s what a blog about IQ has to deal with, everyone wants to think it’s somehow related to their agenda when it’s just a useful and interesting number.
Anyway, I asked the question mostly based on personal experience. Since I’ve found that often my biggest limiting factor for IQ tests and other school exams is time. Tests often feel more like a measure of my time management and reading speed than a measure of my ability/knowledge. But still, speed is an undeniably important part of real world problem solving, which made me wonder how IQ researchers can create a balance between speed/power to be representative of how ‘good’ you are at problem solving, the thing that IQ is meant to measure.
The research data you’ve cited were very enlightening, since they imply that speed and power are basically inseparable, which is not at all what I would’ve assumed. From my experience, while my exam scores are usually above average, I’m usually in the latter half to turn in the test, meaning if the time limit was set to when the first people finished, my placement in the score distribution would’ve plummeted. So in that case the time limit would have completely changed the nature of the test for me. But I cannot argue with raw data, perhaps I’m just an exception.
I should also mention that I was recently diagnosed with ADHD (did it online, not sure how accurate that could be, but hey, I can get medication). I was reminded by a school therapist of potential accommodations like longer test times and later assignment due dates. Which made me wonder, if the selection process which utilizes the score of these things does not care about how quick and focused students are–to the point where it can allow differential treatment–why have time limits for anything at all?
“Which made me wonder, if the selection process which utilizes the score of these things does not care about how quick and focused students are–to the point where it can allow differential treatment–why have time limits for anything at all?”
It makes no sense, does it? People who are overly concerned about “equality” simply don’t think about what the point of competitive parts of society are, to the point they’re “correcting for” the very factors they’re trying to measure.
Maybe one they’ll succeed in correcting for enough factors that everyone scores the same-
Many people find it unfair that ADD & other learning disableds get extra time but a psychologist once told me that non-disabled people don’t benefit from extra time but I need to research this for myself.
So the very fact that time makes such a difference for you, may be part of what defines you as ADD
swank’s jurisprudence as expressed by the devil himself.

to say that monk could play like tatum like an insult makes muggy an ass among asses.
tatum influenced monk
monk’s style came about because he could NOT imitate tatum’s virtuosity.
monk was influenced by tatum’s
COMPOSITIONAL STYLE
jazz has the musician composing in-real-time
everything art tatum touched was a ‘composition.’
but this is the crux of our disagreement in the law too
tatum’s greatness is obvious to the uninitiated and the connoisseur
monk’s greatness can be appreciated only hypothetically and by the initiated.
“…man that would be so great if it wasn’t noise.”
muggy gets my jurisprudence wrong, though.
don’t show me the code.
don’t show me the judge.
show me the rules of the game.
you know. craft.
you have no idea what you’re talking about as usual.
Kelley says homemade tapes capture Monk romping through challenging material but struggling to play his own work as he intended it. “It was much harder for Monk to play Monk than it was for him to play like Art Tatum. He didn’t have trouble playing fast tempos. He loved James P. Johnson and he could sound like James P. Johnson,” Kelley says. “He worked his ass off to make his music sound the way it sounded.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/thelonious-monks-quiet-slow-conquest-of-the-jazz-world/542937/
Sputnikmusic’s Alex Robertson said that “even when Monk gets nutty, as on the brutally virtuosic ‘Trinkle, Tinkle,’ the album’s appeal lies not in his ‘sabotage’ of popular music but his ability to turn it into something invigoratingly weird, two approaches often conflated when looking back on the work of an inventive musician.”[3]
muggy doesn’t understand narratives, as usual.
those anecdotes exist precisely BECAUSE innately people know that monk’s a fraud
so stories MUST exist about monk ‘being able to’ do what tatum did effortlessly.
that muggy believes this recording in any way = this
shows that muggy is knee deep in jive and doesn’t even know it.
‘brutally virtuosic?’
it’s virtuosic in how brutal it is to the term virtuosic.
you gotta be kiddin’ me!
i agree !=.
monk’s is much more virtuosic!
now i’m starting to believe swank is hearing impaired, not just stupid.
but i agree with swank that that quote sounds suspect and obviously it follows the claim in the article that monk had limited playing ability even though jazz’s greatest composer, or second greatest after the duke.
but i know it to be true by listening to monk.
swank doesn’t get it. monk is not just best in breed. he’s his own superior breed. he’s the secretariat of jazz. and most areas of human endeavor have no secretariat. there is no secretariat of painting and shakespeare isn’t really a secretariat of english lit, but close. and bill gates is poorer than jeff bezos. etc.
but monk was even more than secretariat as one can imagine that someday a horse will beat one of big red’s times, but there can never be a better of monk.
the closest thing in chess is capi. or maybe go seigen in go.
so when you go to heaven after blowing scalia for 10,000+ years in purgatory…monk is playing piano and capi is playing chess at the seat of the lord.
monk’s “percussive style” is…
african…
but german TOO…
german is known as a “staccato” language.
monk never played “legato”…
because drums are inherently staccato.
and he played the piano like a drum.
it is to the NORTHERN italians’ credit that “staccato” and “legato” are italian terms.
monk is the lawyer whom law professors adore and never gets a judge to rule in his favor.
tatum is adored by all and gets results.
because he cannot be denied.
just like the refusal to take to the streets cannot be denied with good law.
bad law causes protests, riots, and civil wars.
if all a law provokes is heated dissent and discussion…what muggy engages in…
it is good law.
muggy doesn’t understand narratives and stories.
he’s not italian.
monk’s greatness can be appreciated only hypothetically and by the initiated.
i’ve already said that is the opposite of the truth in my own case.
but keep telling yourself that. it makes you feel better apparently.
it makes me feel no way.
his suckiness is obvious.
you can’t say tatum sucks.
you just…CAN’T.
that’s the difference.
it’s a picture because you want it to be a picture. not because it is a picture. patterns where there aren’t.
People who met Tatum consistently “describe him as totally lacking in arrogance or ostentation”, and as being gentlemanly in behavior.[144] He typically gave very little information about himself in interviews,[145] and preferred not to discuss his personal life or history with others, even with people he knew.[146] Although marijuana use was common among musicians during his lifetime, Tatum was not linked to drug use.[147]
Monk was renowned for a distinct look which included suits, hats, and sunglasses. He was also noted for an idiosyncratic habit during performances: while other musicians continued playing, Monk would stop, stand up, and dance for a few moments before returning to the piano.
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dude!
at a certain point you just say, [redacted by pp, may 15, 2020] make me tired man.”
and you stop interacting with stupid people.
but that does NOT mean you wish them ill and think you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to give them and their chirrens the best.
monk is a great example of someone who was POOR and MARGINALIZED for most of his life…
but was a GENIUS nonetheless.
Agree. It’s like the Turtle and the Rabbit. If you want to be somebody and get someplace, slow but steady wins the race!
Monk is pee wee.
TP: Did you like Monk?
DEFRANCO: I liked what he was getting at and I liked his songs. I couldn’t play with him and I did not like his playing, because it lacked the proficiency that I am used to hearing. Then there’s for instance the later Miles Davis as opposed to Freddie Hubbard. My bet would go with Freddie Hubbard, see. Because he’s a trumpet player and a jazz player and a more than competent execution in his playing.
But there are two schools. Years ago in clarinet, everybody said Benny Goodman was the greatest, Artie Shaw was the greatest; and the other school of thought, like in the Thelonious Monk camp, would be Pee Wee Russell. There are people who swear by him. They think he’s the greatest clarinet player who ever lived. And I pass on that.
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However, when you talk about what I consider the best, on a genius level, I’d have to say Art Tatum and Charlie Parker. Immediately. That’s it. From that point on, then we talk about all the other guys who are really good.
Monk sucks because it is OBVIOUS he sucks.
Art Tatum is good because it is OBVIOUS that he is so.
muggy can’t comprehend jive past a certain level as jive.
this is why he fails at law.
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this is why you fail at existing…and need to be deported.
it’s funny…
literally a day ago bbc radio (in the land of d b cooper) story about the 49ers…
and how the american immigrants (gold seekers) swamped the natives (of both kinds)…
treated the indigenes (actual natives) and the spanish like shit…
but the spanish had been treating the natives like shit so…
STARE DECISIS.
right swank?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszjvb
did the world work in the way i say it does?
the answer is always yes.
this was what i forced my parents and anyone else i could to listen to…
little mugabe: isn’t it genius?
parents and other gr’ups: it IS but not now.
meant to post it before under “most Cynical of Cynical monk’s pieces”.
whereas as any who’ve fllowed my posting career know…
there’s another even more pukka monk…
actually even more pukka monkS…
swank has no idea how roman i am.
if the swiss guard used little swanks to light their 100% turkish tobacco cigs…
it’s SO FUCKING HILARIOUS…
if you see the dog…
even monk’s timbre is PERFECT…GOD-like…
it’s like clarence played jazz.
Pumpkin, is the information subtest underestimated in bilinguals?
Pumpkin, if someone who’s feeling anxiety takes the coding subtest for the first time and scores poorly, then takes the the second time feeling less anxiety, and scores better, and then the third time takes the coding subtest with no anxiety, which score is the accurate score? Would it be the 2nd attempt, because anxiety and practice effect would be cancelled out?