During the 1990s to the early 2010s, it was believed that the brain-size IQ correlation among adults living in developed countries was about 0.4. Then in 2015, a meta-analysis by Jakob Pietschnig, Lars Penke, Jelte M. Wicherts, Michael Zeiler, and Martin Voracek surfaced claiming the brain size-IQ correlation was only 0.24! The paper argued that the 0.4ish figure that was typically cited was inflated by publication bias and these authors went out of their way to counter this.
But then in 2017, a meta-analysis by Gilles E. Gignac and Timothy C. Bates, published in the peer reviewed journal Intelligence showed once again that it was 0.4. The authors reviewed the research cited by Pietschnig et al but corrected for range restriction, test quality, and sample quality and a 0.4 correlation was found.
Now, we have a massive new study to help settle the debate. The paper is called Are Bigger Brains Smarter? Evidence From a Large-Scale Preregistered Study by G. Nave et al.
Here’s the abstract:
A positive relationship between brain volume and intelligence has been suspected since the 19th century, and empirical studies seem to support this hypothesis. However, this claim is controversial because of concerns about publication bias and the lack of systematic control for critical confounding factors (e.g., height, population structure). We conducted a preregistered study of the relationship between brain volume and cognitive performance using a new sample of adults from the United Kingdom that is about 70% larger than the combined samples of all previous investigations on this subject (N = 13,608). Our analyses systematically controlled for sex, age, height, socioeconomic status, and population structure, and our analyses were free of publication bias. We found a robust association between total brain volume and fluid intelligence (r = .19), which is consistent with previous findings in the literature after controlling for measurement quality of intelligence in our data. We also found a positive relationship between total brain volume and educational attainment (r = .12). These relationships were mainly driven by gray matter (rather than white matter or fluid volume), and effect sizes were similar for both sexes and across age groups.
This study is important not just because of its colossal sample size, but the fact that it was preregistered, meaning they agreed to publish the results before they knew what said results were. Critics of this research have worried there’s a file drawer effect, where studies not finding the desired result get shelved, and mostly larger positive correlations get published.
Also interesting is that the correlation between intelligence and brain size remained even after controlling for sex, height, population structure and socioeconomic status. One could even argue this is an over-correction, since socioeconomic status is itself a crude measure of intelligence, and yet even after this over-correction, the correlation remained, suggesting the link between brain size and intelligence is causal and not just a byproduct of a shared correlation with body size (i.e. height) or the nutrition that comes from high SES.
However IQ enthusiasts might be disappointed by how low the correlation is. Only 0.19. And as the matrix below shows, even before they corrected for anything, the correlation was only 0.21 (only half the 0.4 correlation long cited by IQ enthusiasts and confirmed by Gilles and Bates, 2017)

Supplementary material from Are Bigger Brains Smarter? Evidence From a Large-Scale Preregistered Study by G. Nave et al.G
The most likely explanation for this low correlation is that in order to get such a huge sample, they needed a really short test. And indeed the Fluid IQ test used in the study is just the two minute Verbal Numerical Reasoning test sometimes administered on more than one occasion to improve reliability. But as we can see from the 0.31 correlation between Fluid IQ and Education Attainment, the test is not that g loaded.
Indeed on tests with near-perfect g loadings like the WAIS-III, IQ correlates 0.55 with education (though this is in America). If we divide the Fluid IQ test’s correlation with education by the WAIS-III’s, we might get a very crude estimate of the Fluid IQ test’s correlation with the WAIS-III and that correlation is 0.56. If we further divide brain size’s 0.21 correlation with the Fluid IQ test by 0.56, we might get a crude estimate of brain size’s correlation with the WAIS-III and that correlation is 0.38. Thus confirming Gilles and Bates, 2017.
Of course Pietschnig et al can counter that brain size in this massive study only correlates 0.14 with education. Dividing 0.14 by the WAIS-III’s 0.55 correlation perfectly confirms their 0.25 correlation between IQ and brain size.
Thus, the only solution is to average 0.38 and 0.25, which gives a 0.32 correlation between IQ and brain size. Still a moderate correlation, but the low end of the moderate range. Indeed long before MRIs, a correlation of 0.3 was considered the best estimate of IQ’s correlation with brain size. The figure was achieved by adjusting the weak correlation between head size and IQ for the fact that head size was only a rough proxy for brain size.
So even though IQ doesn’t correlate quite as well with brain size as IQ enthusiasts would have liked, the good news is that the correlation barely declines when you control (even over-control) for other variables, implying it’s overwhelmingly causal.
Sorry, not sorry. You’d have have to be a complete fucking moron to believe the association between IQ and brain size is not causal. It’s the organ responsible for all of our thought.
It’s still only a rough proxy. Cellular composition is far more telling.
“Cellular composition is far more telling.”
????
Like nerve conduction velocity, interneuronal distance, the proportionate amount of glial cells, the metabolic efficiency of said cells, the degree of arborization in response to stimili etc ad infinium.
Bigger brains have more interconnected neurons, all else being equal, and that allows one to synthesize information usefully.
“Bigger brains have more interconnected neurons”
Sauce? Are you talking about how larger neurons tend to be myelinated for higher processing speed? I also figure bigger brains tend to have more cells,which should theoretically help with learning.
Ceteris paribus is rare nature.
More neurons make you smarter right?
Neurons take up space right?
so the more neurons you have, the bigger your brain will tend to be on average
Of course there are lots of other variables like neuron size, packing density etc, hence an imperfect correlation
“so the more neurons you have, the bigger your brain will tend to be on average”
Duh, you said “interconnected” Implying that you meant larger brains tend to have higher levels of stochastic connectivity.
I just meant more neurons leads to more connections between neurons. Not saying bigger brains necessarily have more connections per neuron.
Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense.
Do you have an unusually big head?
No
I do they use. To tell me that all the time. My daughter. Has a large head as well
Do you have a bigger than usual head?
That was a question to PP
Doesn’t IQ have a stronger correlation with brain size intraracial than interracial?
I’m virtually convinced that 95+% of credentialed experts in all fields, especially econ/finance are either uncapable or unwilling to remotely understand what they study. Like whenever I pick up the WSJ business section it’s always the same “well, labor force participation did X, the Fed said Y with regard to interest rates, and when one considers the hump in the yield curve of commodity Z, we cautiously predict A, B, and C” word salad that never has any predictive capacity. Most “expert” analysis never goes beyond gross generalizations and impressionistic observations.
My guess is that most of these folks have IQs in the low 120s and actually think they understand things as best as possible. Or they just don’t care.
Hahaha!!! This is exactly how I feel about most econ/Finance I read….
Pumpkin could you do me a solid and calculate my IQ based on my GED score? (I want Pumpkins opinion)
I dropped out of hi school after graduating from,the 9th grade. And was held back one grade, but it should have been 2 (my father convinced the school to let me pass)
I studied evolutionary psychology , along with other general social sciences nearly eery day for the next 4 years straight
I passed the GED exam. On my 1st try.
I was 19,years old,
My scores were
Language arts/writing. 440. 27th percentile rank
Social,Studies. 660. 95th percentile,rank
Science. 520. 58th percentile rank
Language Arts/reading. 550. 69th percentile. Rank
Mathematics. 480. 42nd percentile
Total score. 2650
Passing score is 2250 passing score in each category is 410
I grew up abused and neglected by family members, paternity uncertainty was a big factor for several years,single parent household I’m male but was raised as a woman had my 1st suicidal thoughts in elementary school,. Had to see the psychologist at the school because I wrote my mom only loved me sometimes, when we had to make a letter to our parents. my father was surprised when I told him I was straight at 13, one of the first girls I dated made me take my shirt off to prove I was a boy, I would occasionally be mistaken for a girl during puberty. Not so much after although I still had a “girls voice” My father came out to me saying he is bisexual when I was 19. Everyone in the family new, “hey son do you want to get your nails painted with me?” He asked me that twice when I was 13 ill never forget it.
My aunt is a lesbian, and my uncle has Autism,
At 16 my mom decided that starving me would change my behavior, it did not, I simply adapted to the caloric deficit. I bought multivitamins and supplements and began experimenting with liquid diets In order to survive.
I have been in handcuffs 5 times but never been booked or charged
I have been homeless more than a dozen times as a teenager.
One night was so cold if I had not stolen some gasoline from a nearby garage and made a bonfire out of a couple flower pots and tree leaves I wouldn’t have survived the night.
I took steroids for a few months at 18, because I knew I naturally didn’t have the moxy it would take to make it out of my situation, I ended up injecting myself with more than 10 times the average amount of testosterone as well as trenbolone and other roids in the hope of a long lasting permanent affect. My voice got permanently deeper, my aggression skyrocketed, I grew pecs permanent arm definition my face got wider and more scoelish and I grew a Windows peak. I essentially went thru a second puberty.
I ended up terrorizing my family into submission while holding down a 9 to 5 and got my crush from high school pregnant, and almost ahem “took care of” her whole family and mine too. The juice helped me turn my life around but desperate times had to call for desperate measures.
Despite these problems I never had any difficulty making friends although I do tend to get into a lot of fist fights thru out life even before the juice
I was diagnosed with ADHD at 14, and I really had it. To my surprise I grew out of all,of the Attention Deficit issues over a period of 6 months from age 20 and 6 months going into age 21 (symptoms vanishing into adult hood is actually the most common scenario according to a few studies I have seen) Now I have one of the longest attention spans any one could have. Also I never was a drug addict which I believe is a huge reason,why I grew out of that disorder. I now have an extraordinarily long, i would even say superhuman attention span because my brain is still hyperactive.
Im just laying out all the info maybe you would need for the most accurate analysis.
Scowlish
I grew up abused and neglected by family members, paternity uncertainty was a big factor for several years,single parent household I’m male but was raised as a woman had my 1st suicidal thoughts in elementary school,. Had to see the psychologist at the school because I wrote my mom only loved me sometimes, when we had to make a letter to our parents. my father was surprised when I told him I was straight at 13, one of the first girls I dated made me take my shirt off to prove I was a boy, I would occasionally be mistaken for a girl during puberty. Not so much after although I still had a “girls voice” My father came out to me saying he is bisexual when I was 19. Everyone in the family new, “hey son do you want to get your nails painted with me?” He asked me that twice when I was 13 ill never forget it.
Ok, warned you if you kept posting messages like ^^^ people will think youre trolling. So now I think youre a troll.
ok
How did you get an good attention span? I’m interested.
Thinking mouse over half of children, so the majority grow out of ADHD.
https://childmind.org/guide/what-parents-should-know-about-adhd/outgrow/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwib0Iiw69ffAhUFoYMKHYHCBY8QFjALegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthline.com%2Fhealth-news%2Fmental-adhd-causes-problems-into-adulthood-030413&usg=AOvVaw3e766xfjI12p_y2J7A8lYv
All one has to do is not get addicted to any drugs like alcohol or tobacco, and the chances are good the person will grow out of it into adulthood. My father still has ADHD and he has been a functioning drug addict his whole life. Same with my mom although her vice is gambling.
like I said I grew out of the attention deficit part. However I still to this day have hyperactivity, thus I can pay attention to anything for hours and hours at a time naturally, no matter how boring the subject, because of how hyperactive my brain still is.
I think I’m addicted to porn, laying on bed, music and maybe yoghurt. I also chug on a lot of things (like children you know, just like the sensation on my mouth). Often move some body part rhythmically. I can pay decent attention sometimes, but my working memory and time preference are kinda shit. I think it’s limiting my otherwise intelligent nature.
Interesting story, Mikey. For some reason this blog attracts some troubled people (I think). I wonder what it is about IQ that attracts folks who may be……slightly different….
I like Gond going full PC 😂
G man I have noticed that a large % of the time very intelligent people don’t come from very intelligent families. Those of us that make it thru end up on this blog.
No, not trying to be PC, just pointing out some things I’ve observed.
Its amazing looking at myself now and hearing myself now. Caomlpared to when I was youanger
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2021469524585921&id=100001686782358
You look very Arabic. If you said you were Egyptian or from Yemen I would believe it. You should tidy up your beard a bit.
the arabs and muzzies in general are right that they used to be the betters of the euros, including the romans…for maybe 500 years, 750-1250. before then and since then it’s been euro domination.
when milo says:
“as the architects of western civilization…when you go against that group…you’re gonna lose…”
he doesn’t mean white men always win.
what he means that a society where white men lose…
will be poorer and shittier.
in the persian owned liquor store today i heard the music which sounded so arab/muzzie…but then i recognized spanish…
it’s like a factory with multiple floors, and each floor has its own ethnic/religious/racial/etc. group…
BUT gordo cooper built the factory.
built the factory…
meaning…
inherited wealth is NOT always evil.
those whose ancestors are deep on ‘mer’ca should have AA…big time.
but this includes american indians, the descendants of slaves, and…
AND!
the white trailer trash with pre-revolutionary ancestrors…
of which there are MANY.
…are deep in ‘mer’ca should have AA…big time…
…forever white people have hated on white people…
no change.
today white people hate on white people so much that they PRETEND to prefer non-white people.
it’s a farce…
like the 30 years war…
because white people are the WHOLE world.
tump and bannon are the AUFHEBUNG which resolves NEO-LIBERALISM’S contradictions.
Only One Man Ever Understood Me, and He Did Not Understand Me Either.
I hope someday they will measure the size of every humans head. Then force everyone to do an IQ test chosen by Puppy. Then we will finally know once and for all if head size is fairly or largely relevant to IQ and we can all relax.
i support the independence of pill’s country.
0.3?
I dont read medical or bio papers but is 0.3 considered worthy of comment?
Yes. 0.3 means 9%.
30% is the correlation between parents average education (percentile) and children. So that’s huge. The children of lawyers and surgeons on one side, and truck drivers and cleaning ladies, get quite a different level of education success. If you control for genes, the parents diploma have a 0.3 influence or 9%.
I am simplifying a bit but nothing is false.
That steroids changed my life story is something I can relate to. But I was a lot less extreme than that. All I needed to do was start lifting weights and I became much more confident and right wing.
Pill I believe you are a miss understood genius. I’m working on a theory that guys like you had they been born in biblical times would of been prophets.
AGREE!
everyone should at least try lifting.
men and women.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/04/azealia-banks-elon-musk-feud-twitter-shares-tesla-private-lawsuit-instagram-post
This is hilarious. Id say the difference in IQ between banks and Musk must be 3 digits.
musk is ayn rand’s ultimate clit hard on.
he’s howard roark on ‘roids.
maybe the national party conducted some “experiments”?
Any other juicy celeb gossip?
Assassins creed origins is a really good game set in ancient Egypt. Very educational. The video game makers are very respectful of their religious beliefs. Theres no way a theist is involved in making a game like this and seeing how it mirrors how their own preferred cult came to be.
By which I mean respectful of ancient Egyptian religious practices and beliefs.
ANOTHER point…
the MENAs HAVE…
they were wiping their butts when the greeks were licking them…
so…
to…
speak…
The south african rugby team is a bit like the Italians of football. Really dirty and negative.
Don’t you mean Ass creed.
I notice in the comment section of the guardian football pages something I find personally very irritating. That is this effort by the supporters to fire compliments at direct rival teams supporters. Its a weird thing to point out maybe. But it just strikes me as something someone with low testosterone and someone who is shit with women would do. So the line could be “as a Spurs supporter, hats off to Arsenal for some great football”. Will get 100 recommends. Its limp wristed stuff.
americans know soccer is gay.
RIGHT NOW…
LOOKING AT A FLICKER PECKING AT THE SUET AND GRUBS ON THE HANGING BOX…
SO MUCH BEAUTY…
IN THE WORLD…
I FEEL LIKE I CAN’T TAKE IT…
I am 3% Arabic according to my dna test results from ancestry com. Makes sense since both my parents are mixed race, and I am working on my beard hair, it is naturally very coarse
Not just this blog, but any site that has ‘regular’ commenters. People who spend months or years commenting regularly on the internet over articles that have nothing to do with their personal life or issues that concern them directly, could have an indication of an autistic type personality if not being on that spectrum. And people who see deep dark conspiracies everywhere could be having a schizo type of personality if not being on that spectrum. Even if they delude themselves into thinking they are not. And if theM are not too functional in real life too… then they could be on either of the above spectrums. Some of them very lightly on the spectrum and some more. And/or could be having conditions like them or having neuroatypicality
The site is fine, and the articles are very high quality. The best i have seen compared to anywhere and about anything. And PP commenting on articles regularly is nice and is not the same as others commenting regularly. If somebody writes an article they should be willing to reply to comments. It is the comment sections of this site that is not fine. Most of the rest of us here are not exactly neurotypical.
This comment was a reply to a Gman, my internet connection got disconnected when i clicked post. And when i clicked refresh the comment seem to have posted here.
OK, interesting thoughts. And yes, the Internet can be very retarded and frustrating at times.