A while back there was a guest article about r vs K. Wikipedia defines r vs K:
In ecology, r/K selection theory relates to the selection of combinations of traits in an organism that trade off between quantity and quality of offspring.
This theory has a certain common sense appeal, because there clearly is an evolutionary trade off between quantity and quality, and that fascinates me because quality is a value judgement and scientists aren’t supposed to think in terms of some life forms being genetically superior to others. An r strategist is like fast-food cook (she makes tons of food fast and cheap) while a K strategist is like a fine dining chef (makes a few expensive masterpieces with exquisite care and craft)
I think where the theory went wrong is claiming that selection pressures that depended on population density led to K selection because when this hypothesis was actually tested, it wasn’t always true causing many to reject the whole concept prematurely.
In the 1980s J. Phillipe Rushton became perhaps the first person to ever apply the r vs K to humans, arguing more recently evolved and colder adapted races like Northeast Asians were more K than older tropical peoples. He viewed large genitalia and other developed sexual traits (including less obvious ones like breasts, buttocks, voice deepness, muscle salience) as a sign of r selection since they presumably lead to more and better sex, and thus reproduction. By contrast large brains were viewed as a sign of K selection because they are slow to develop and thus require more parental care.

Genetically superior? Trump brilliantly defeated every politician in America, yet still got played by Kim Jong Un
Critics claimed Rushton was wrong and that arctic environments are actually more r selecting because they are less stable, and that tropical diseases are actually K selecting because they are infectious and less density dependent.
The critics were not completely wrong. In his book Lone Survivor, Christopher Stringer argued that one reason modern humans evolved in Africa instead of Northern Eurasia is that in the latter, sudden burst of extreme cold would kill entire populations before any progress could gain traction.
But to me, critics were making the whole debate more complicated than it needs to be. To me it’s very simple: if individual survival is luck-dependent, it’s better to have high quantity offspring (r selection) than high quality offspring (K selection) because luck favors large numbers. The more lottery tickets you buy, the more likely one will win.
How do you know if individual survival is luck dependent? It’s not as simple as asking whether you live in the tropics or the arctic, because an environment that is luck dependent at a primitive stage of technology, might be skill dependent at a more advanced stage.
Instead I suggest you look at how heritable life span is in a particular environment. The lower the heritability, the more luck-dependent your environment is, because luck is really just unexplained variance, and if there’s nothing about the genetic variance (which is the variance that matters in evolution) that can explain who lives or dies, then survival depends on luck.
Of course even if life span had a high heritability at first, natural selection would likely drive it down by removing unfit genetic variance, so it’s not as simple as just comparing heritabilities in the tropics to the arctic. Instead what we need to do is take a group of people who have not had time to genetically adapt to either the tropics or the arctic (middle easterners perhaps) and get one group of them to live as hunter-gatherers in the arctic, and another to live as hunter-gatherers in the tropics. Whichever group showed a higher life span heritability would be in the more K selecting environment.
“Whichever group showed a higher life span heritability would be in the more K selecting environment.”
Or we can just use logic and reason to realistically state that, if it did apply to humans, Africans would be exposed to both r and K pressures, while Mongoloids would be exposed to r pressures.
RR you never use logic and reason. Asians live longer than blacks even in poor asian countries like Vietnam. Its obvious. Asians are K Selected and blacks R with whites and mid easterns in between these extremes.
lifespan is 0% heritable excluding extremely rare late onset genetic diseases like huntington’s. negroes’ maximum lifespan is the same as whites’. the only race which may have a shorter lifespan is abos.
In hunter gatherers it would have been heritable in the sense that those who lacked the genetic intelligence & athleticism to hunt food, keep warm & survive fights would die
actually you’d expect smaller peoples to live longer, but not much longer.
despite their poverty, latinos live longer than whites in the US. this is due to their smaller size and greater physical activity associated with their jobs. they also smoke less, but die from alcoholism at a higher rate.
Kinda random, but does anyone know what explains this?:
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/the-black-white-mortality-crossover/
if by “still got played by”, peepee means “humiliated” then yes, “trump humiliated kim.”
peepee’s first language is obviously not english [redacted by pp, july 6, 2018]
It’s precisely because my first languages aren’t English that I’m far more informed about what happened than your socially retarded ass.
Trump got played like a fiddle:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/how-donald-trump-got-played-by-a-ruthless-dictator-627798/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-north-korea
Yeah vanity fair and rolling ‘haven monahan’ stone are very objective on trump.
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.newsapi.com.au%2Fimage%2Fv1%2Fb4c8863f0659b68eec2132cbdc6347ce&f=1
Rolling Stone. Very good at reporting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/16/on-north-korea-trump-is-getting-played-by-both-sides/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c23ba7b9d754
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/04/29/trump-has-already-been-played/?utm_term=.8414292e0cc0
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/is-trump-getting-played-by-north-korea.html
https://www.dailyprogress.com/newsvirginian/opinion/guest_columnists/opinion-trump-got-played-in-singapore/article_41f0337a-6eb3-11e8-b6ba-0b979c55eefa.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stasi-self-proclaimed-best-deal-maker-trump-played-n-korea-article-1.4007869
If you name one non jew controlled media offlicense that says that I’ll be more convinced.
Are there any? 🙂
Hmmm. Maybe somewhere in Japan or China. RT and Aljazeera come to mind.
since when is rupert murdoch and staff jewish?
at least people know fox is full of shit.
wapo is owned by a gentile but staffed by jews.
(((jann wenner))) was married with kids then came out. only a sociopath would do that. maybe he made himself gay because he thought it was cool.
kim isn’t in a position to play trump peepee even if he were so clever. and he could never be so clever, because norks at all levels have very little idea what the world is like outside nork.
the meeting between trump and kim is intended as seduction and the initiation of more seduction. the only thing stopping trump’s winning is chiner.
You’re a monolingual prole who knows nothing about Asia.
What do you know about asia?
Yeah ok, Murdoch aside though, Western media is completely jew controlled. But there is the notable exception of some of the tabloids in the UK like the Daily Mail. As a result, these papers are laughed at by ‘educated’ people as ‘racist’ and ‘low class’.
Most of the people that staff these tabloids are oxbridge private school types, but the public don’t know that. And the FT is owned by japanese. From the surnames, seems to be relatively little jews writing for it.
i spent 6 months traveling in indo-china.
Can’t trust the media, look at the Russian farce on trump they pushed. All fake.
But in humans K selected doesnt mean environment. It means civilisation/Master.
You’re confusing K selection with domestication.
But Rushton did argue social organization is a K selected trait, and that K selected people are more law abiding (rule following)
Domestication is a low reproduction strategy. People don’t even have birth control in most of africa.
“K selected people are more law abiding (rule following)”
Agents of r-selection are unlikely to account for social rule-following “because
they act independently of the density of the population.”
With respect to social rule-following, Rushton’s predictions in the absence of ecological information are equally unjustified. First, note that agents of r-selection are unlikely to influence social rule-following at all, because they act independently of the density of the population. In contrast, we do expect agents of K-selection to influence rule-following, but rule-following will be favoured only in situations where there is no advantage to cheating
Click to access race-r-k-theory-rushton-anderson-canadian-psychology-1-1991.pdf
You need to know the particular ecological factors that influence trait X in population Y in environment E (along with knowing whether or not it’s truly an adaptation or it is a byproduct) otherwise you’re telling just-so stories (which Rushton based his whole career on).
They’re all just-so stories.
Puppy is oprah r selected?
oprah is jew selected.
Trump is more jew selected than Oprah
And there were hardly any Jews working in the local Nashville TV station where Oprah got her start in the early 70s
In the 1980s some liberal Jews even hated Oprah for pandering to Midwestern white housewives
“because quality is a value judgement and scientists aren’t supposed to think in terms of some life forms being genetically superior to others.”
They don’t think like that. The only definition the term “quality” denotes is one equivalent to more parental investment vs absolute offspring number. It says nothing of “superiority” between organisms. In fact, both strategies have equal survival efficiency:
Species are nearly equally fit for survival because they all devote the same quantity of energy per unit of body weight to produce offspring in the next generation; the higher activity and shorter life of small organisms is exactly compensated for by the slower activity and greater longevity of large organisms.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0430-1
“he viewed large genitalia and other developed sexual traits (including less obvious ones like breasts, buttocks, voice deepness, muscle salience) as a sign of r selection since they presumably lead to more and better sex, and thus reproduction. By contrast large brains were viewed as a sign of K selection because they are slow to develop and thus require more parental care.”
All of the aforementioned traits, are products of K selection or more accurately, Peramorphosis. It actually might be more precise to say that some of those have literally nothing to do with R selection strategies. Sexual selection=/= R selected.
“Whichever group showed a higher life span heritability would be in the more K selecting environment.”
Possible environments that could select for permorphosis, is ones with lower temperature, higher levels of protein, higher levels of competition, higher levels of predation etc. Anything that could possibly select for larger size in general. So Africa and Europe mostly.
All of the aforementioned traits, are products of K selection or more accurately, Peramorphosis. It actually might be more precise to say that some of those have literally nothing to do with R selection strategies. Sexual selection=/= R selected.
Anything that increases speed of reproduction rate is r. If being sexually attractive or sexually active allows you to get more mates and have more kids faster than it’s an r adaptation. Why wouldn’t it be? That’s the whole point.
“If being sexually attractive or sexually active allows you to get more mates and have more kids faster than it’s an r adaptation. Why wouldn’t it be? That’s the whole point.”
My point is that the ‘endgame” of both sexual and natural selection is to filter for organisms that are more successful at reproducing. r and K are simply two different strategies to appease that “condition. What this means is that an organism can be r selected without any traits that are heavily influenced by sexual selection and vice versa.
An Example being the Irish Elk which was a k selected mammal whose enormous antlers were a product of sexual selection. Africans may be analogous to this, because ultimately all humans are K selected. even then, penis size data is unreliable.
My point is that the ‘endgame” of both sexual and natural selection is to filter for organisms that are more successful at reproducing. r and K are simply two different strategies to appease that “condition. What this means is that an organism can be r selected without any traits that are heavily influenced by sexual selection and vice versa.
That’s true, but I would expect r strategists to be more sexually selected on average (the Irish Elk notwithstanding). An organism has finite resources. It can either spend them increasing its birth rate or reducing its death rate. If it does the former it typically needs to attract more mates or keep the mates that it does have interested.
And traits like large genitalia are not just about sexual selection, but sexual appetite and sperm selection.
“An organism has finite resources. It can either spend them increasing its birth rate or reducing its death rate. ”
Not mating is equivalent to dying, just as dying is equivalent to not mating. Either way, their genes do not get passed on. r selected organisms tend to be from unstable environments, while sexual selection is usually from a lack of harsh survival conditions(but not always!). I’m specifically talking about Africans, whom I believe have exaggerated sexual characteristics through sexual selection not because they are r selected.
“but sexual appetite and sperm selection.”
Does penis size correlate with either of those?
you only have to mate once to pass on your genes if you invest in keeping your offspring alive, so why invest so much in an activity you only need to do once?
Evolution isn’t really rational, it just tends to take the path with least resistance. You’re failing to account for infant mortality. Yeah you only need to mate once to spread your genes, but if you live in a harsh environment with small amounts of resources, there is no guarantee your first child will survive so it’s best to produce fast, to mature fast, and to have a small size so you don’t need much to satiate yourself.
Africans are the opposite of this. they’re quite large in general. Even if we view r/K as a continuum it still doesn’t accurately describe any of the main races. Instead there seems to be a mosaic pattern, like I described in my Sexual selection post.
Evolution isn’t really rational, it just tends to take the path with least resistance. You’re failing to account for infant mortality. Yeah you only need to mate once to spread your genes, but if you live in a harsh environment with small amounts of resources, there is no guarantee your first child will survive so it’s best to produce fast, to mature fast, and to have a small size so you don’t need much to satiate yourself.
That’s an r strategy
Africans are the opposite of this. they’re quite large in general. Even if we view r/K as a continuum it still doesn’t accurately describe any of the main races. Instead there seems to be a mosaic pattern, like I described in my Sexual selection post.
Rushton acknowledged body size as an anomaly for his theory. We’d expect a lot of anomalies because racial differences in K would be very small, compared to say the difference between an elephant and a snake. So no one race should have a monopoly on K traits, but if rushton’s right, some might have slightly more than others. Also, r/K would not be the only selection pressures or factor causing racial differences. Indeed many racial differences are caused by genetic drift.
Kind of off topic but are the brain size measurements between the races correct for body size, or are they absolute numbers?
Rushton would present the data both ways
“That’s an r strategy”
Im aware.
“some might have slightly more than others. ”
Yes but which ones have more than the other?
“Also, r/K would not be the only selection pressures or factor causing racial differences. ”
That’s my point. Assuming Blacks do have larger genitalia, I don’t think it’s because they are r strategists.
Didnt know your first language wasn’t english. Thought u said u were canadian?
I think he was being facetious. And why are you reverting back to the Philosopher commenting style while still carrying the Social justice moniker? This is very hard to keep up with!!!!!
I dont know who this ‘philosopher’ is. I am doing a parody of an alt right person now.
Pumpkin are southern europeans r selected or k selected or just plain unlucky?
It’s quite fascinating that Pumpkin has never made a post about Hispanics who come from the south of the land of make believe.
Furthermore, there are more Hispanics in Québec than Asians in Manitoba. Pumpkin is an Anglophone Canadien.
Many higher IQ Arabs today, usually the Arab/Muslim elite are no doubt Med types and that goes for any historical reference point in Islam. Muslim elites in the Islamic world are Med types. Whether it’s North Africa, Saudi Arabia, Levant or Central Asia and parts of the Indus Valley. Syrians are Meds and they resemble Italians and a nicer type of Ashkenazim. The 3rd Reich of Germany was also ruled by Meds. Joseph Goebbels would look nice with a turban.
American Yankees are so ignorant that they think all North Africans are Muhammadan negroids.
This youtube clip shows otherwise, a once Shiite Empire in North Africa.
Puppy how come you didn’t quote CNNs assesment of Trump? You might as well throw in the wapo, jyt and other respectable media offlets.
In the UK the director of programming at the BBC is a ________
(a) Briton
(b) Irish
(c) Canadian
(d) Dane
HAHAHAH, you just did above!
I hope they make macron us president. That would really show the ALT RIGHT!!!
nerds have an advantage at the office. even if no one likes them, they don’t notice and don’t care. they have the self-esteem of black people.
this is a good reason for diversity in the work place. no matter how weird or unlike-able you are, there’s always the black guy.
hahaha
thinking of prof shoe’s paper on height etc. this means the endlosung to the hereditist, anti-hereditist argument is technically possible today. it’s just a matter of funding. (the “nurture” argument has been discarded by everyone who knows anything.)
get bunches of random people. get their dna (total genome) and something like an IQ score. run machine learning on all local populations until a plateau in h^2 is reached. apply what is learned in all of these to every other population individually and collectively.
likely outcome:
1. h^2 estimated on local populations will be substantially lower than that of twin studies and GCTA, perhaps as low as shoe’s 9%.
2. the applications to other populations will estimate h^2 as close to 0%.
The low heritabilities are because:
1) they used a ridiculously short IQ test
2) they only looked at common variants because it’s too expensive to look at rare variants
3) they only looked at additive variants. Complex gene-gene interaction are very hard to detect
not a joke pill. someone has to be the nigger. if there’s an actual nigger and you’re not a nigger then no worries.
another possibility is running the machine on half of all the data where IQs for the local populations are all adjusted to have the same mean and perhaps only dna with little geographic difference is used. then if the machine learns anything test what it’s learned on the other half of the data.
likely outcome:
1. the machine can’t predict IQ from genome at all.
2. it can a very little, but when tested on the other half it can’t.
white matter fiber tracts
Diffusion MRI brain scans
95-98 percent accuracy predicting fluid intelligence
The low heritabilities are because:
1) THEY DIDN’T USE AN IQ TEST AT ALL.
ARE YOU FUCKING BRAIN DAMAGED?
2) FALSE. YOU JUST MADE THAT UP.
3) THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS AN “ADDITIVE VARIANT”. COMPLEX INTERACTIONS ARE WHAT THE MACHINE LEARNING IS FOR.
While identification of GWAS SNPs is accomplished by single SNP regression, construction of a best predictor is a global optimization problem in the high dimensional space of possible effect sizes of all SNPs…The resulting effects vector β∗ defines a linear predictive model which captures a large portion of the
heritable genetic variance.
the narrow sense h^2 has always been 85% or more of the total in the twin studies.
SERIOUSLY!
WHAT IS THE BRAIN DAMAGE?
1) THEY DIDN’T USE AN IQ TEST AT ALL.
Then you have no point.
ARE YOU FUCKING BRAIN DAMAGED?
No but you apparently are. And indeed one would have to be after drinking yourself stupid every night for years.
2) FALSE. YOU JUST MADE THAT UP.
Haha! All these years of obsessing over genetics and you still don’t know what an SNP is. Your dry drunk brain has the lost capacity to absorb information. Oh well, you can still coast on your fossilized IQ, until the alcohol starts attacking that too.
3) THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS AN “ADDITIVE VARIANT”.
False:
I describe some unpublished results concerning the genetic architecture of height and cognitive ability, which suggest that roughly 10k moderately rare causal variants of mostly negative effect are responsible for normal population variation
COMPLEX INTERACTIONS ARE WHAT THE MACHINE LEARNING IS FOR.
Only intelligent thing you’ve said in the comment. But sadly since you don’t know what an SNP is, you’re unaware of all the genetic variation that they don’t scan when they restrict themselves to SNPs.
if they wanted to capture non-additive effects, this would require looking at GxG, GxGxG, etc. that is all the pairs and all the triples and all the etc. but these would then just be like extra genetic material with its own coefficients in the linear effects model.
“3) they only looked at additive variants. Complex gene-gene interaction are very hard to detect”
That screws up the heritability formula; genes don’t “add together” like positive or negative charges, with a surfeit of “good ones” giving one “high IQ”. (Never mind the fact that genes can’t cause “intelligence” (and other mental traits) since psychophysical and psychological laws do not exist.) I keep telling you that you need to read this book:
RR, you’re 100% wrong:
I describe some unpublished results concerning the genetic architecture of height and cognitive ability, which suggest that roughly 10k moderately rare causal variants of mostly negative effect are responsible for normal population variation
!!!!!!I find it ironic your anti-black and anti-heritability. Anti-heritability suggests in an alternative environment blacks would be Ubermenschen.
I’m 100 percent not. Two new preprints show that findings of polygenic selection on height were driven by population stratification:
Click to access 355057.full.pdf
Our results show that polygenic adaptation signals based on large numbers of SNPs below genome-wide significance are extremely sensitive to biases due to uncorrected population structure, a more severe problem in GIANT and possibly other meta-analyses than in the more homogeneous UK Biobank. Therefore, claims of polygenic adaptation for height and other traits, particularly those that rely on SNPs below genome-wide significance, should be viewed with caution.
Click to access 354951.full.pdf
And Hsu will reach his “boundary”, as Thompson calls it, but he won’t find anything special.
” india will always be a shithole unless it’s settled by white people.said:”
It will become a shithole if white people settle there. All the dysentry there are going to get by eating food there will make it so.
[redacted by pp, July 7, 2018]
The term hermit kingdom can be used to refer to any country, organization or society which willfully walls itself off, either metaphorically or physically, from the rest of the world – The country of North Korea is a prime example of a hermit kingdom.
Korea in the age of Joseon dynasty was the subject of the first use of the term, in William Elliot Griffis’ 1882 book Corea: The Hermit Nation,[1][2] and Korea was frequently described as a hermit kingdom until 1905 when it became a protectorate of Japan.[3] The term is still commonplace throughout Korea and it is often used by Koreans themselves to describe pre-modern Korea. Today, the term is often applied to North Korea in news and social media, and in 2009 it was used by United States former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.[4]
Norks, slang terminology meaning North Koreans
removing SNPs which had minor frequencies below 0.1%.
peepee claims that for some mysterious reason this explains why the h^2 for IQ was zero on cross cultural samples but significant for height. rare variants don’t affect height but cause almost all the variance in IQ.
BRAIN DAMAGE IS SAD!
Mug of Pee doesn’t know how many variants there are in the human genome, because if he would, he might realize that 0.1% multiplied by BILLIONS adds up.
Here’s a clue:
By capturing these additional genetic effects our models closely approximate the heritability estimates from twin studies for intelligence and education, but not for neuroticism and extraversion. From an evolutionary genetic perspective, a substantial contribution of genetic variants that are not common within the population to individual differences in intelligence, education, and neuroticism is consistent with mutation-selection balance.
They need to identify a mechanism otherwise it’s cum hoc, ergo propter hoc. But one can’t be identified because the mental is underdetermined by the physical.
And Hill et al’s other papers show the pittance of ~7 percent ‘variance explained’ for ‘cognitive ability’, which is due to, again, population stratification.
I guess scientists must be imagining all these genes that ADD to the risk of Alzheimer’s (a mental condition btw):
Familial Alzheimer disease is caused by a mutation in one of at least three genes, which code for presenilin 1, presenilin 2, and amyloid precursor protein (APP).[4][5][6] Other gene mutations are in study.
PSEN1 – Presenilin 1 Edit
The presenilin 1 gene (PSEN1 located on chromosome 14) was identified by Sherrington (1995)[7] and multiple mutations have been identified. Mutations in this gene cause familial Alzheimer’s type 3 with certainty and usually under 50 years old. This protein has been identified as part of the enzymatic complex that cleaves amyloid beta peptide from APP (see below).
The gene contains 14 exons, and the coding portion is estimated at 60 kb, as reported by Rogaev (1997)[8] and Del-Favero (1999).[9] The protein the gene codes for (PS1) is an integral membrane protein. As stated by Ikeuchi (2002)[10] it cleaves the protein Notch1 so is thought by Koizumi (2001)[11] to have a role in somitogenesis in the embryo. It also has an action on an amyloid precursor protein, which gives its probable role in the pathogenesis of FAD. Homologs of PS1 have been found in plants, invertebrates and other vertebrates.
Some of the mutations in the gene, of which over 90 are known, include: His163Arg, Ala246Glu, Leu286Val and Cys410Tyr. Most display complete penetrance, but a common mutation is Glu318Gly and this predisposes individuals to familial AD, with a study by Taddei (2002)[12] finding an incidence of 8.7% in patients with familial AD.
PSEN2 – Presenilin 2 Edit
The presenilin 2 gene (PSEN2) is very similar in structure and function toPSEN1. It is located on chromosome 1 (1q31-q42), and mutations in this gene cause type 4 FAD. The gene was identified by Rudolph Tanzi and Jerry Schellenberg in 1995.[13] A subsequent study by Kovacs (1996)[14] showed that PS1 and PS2 proteins are expressed in similar amounts, and in the same organelles as each other, in mammalian neuronal cells. Levy-Lahad (1996)[15] determined that PSEN2 contained 12 exons, 10 of which were coding exons, and that the primary transcript encodes a 448-amino-acid polypeptide with 67% homology to PS1. This protein has been identified as part of the enzymatic complex that cleaves amyloid beta peptide from APP (see below).
The mutations have not been studied as much as PSEN1, but distinct allelic variants have been identified. These include Asn141Ile, which was identified first by Rudolph Tanzi and Jerry Schellenberg in Volga German families with familial Alzheimer disease (Levy-Lahad et al. Nature, 1995). One of these studies by Nochlin (1998) found severe amyloid angiopathy in the affected individuals in a family. This phenotype may be explained by a study by Tomita (1997)[16] suggesting that the Asn141Ile mutation alters amyloid precursor protein (APP) metabolism causing an increased rate of protein deposition into plaques.
Other allelic variants are Met239Val which was identified in an Italian pedigree by Rogaev (1995)[17] who also suggested early on that the gene may be similar to PSEN1, and an Asp439Ala mutation in exon 12 of the gene which is suggest by Lleo (2001)[18] to change the endoproteolytic processing of the PS2.
Alzheimer’s is not a psychological trait.
How is it not?
“Alzheimer’s is not a psychological trait.”
Then why do Alzheimer’s patients act psychological different from non-Alzheimer’s patients?
It’s a genetic disorder:
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/alzheimers-disease-genetics-fact-sheet
So your argument is:
P1) psychological disorders can’t have a genetic basis
P2) Alzheimers has a genetic basis
C) Alzheimers is not a psychological disorder
This is circular reasoning because P1 is what your argument is supposed to prove, and not a premise it’s supposed to rest on.
Alzheimer’s is a genetic disorder.
alzheimer’s is NOT genetic 99.9% of the time fucktards.
Around 0.1% of the cases are familial forms of autosomal (not sex-linked) dominant inheritance, which have an onset before age 65…Most cases of Alzheimer’s disease do not exhibit autosomal-dominant inheritance and are termed sporadic AD, in which environmental and genetic differences may act as risk factors.
HBDers are grasping at straws like mueller and rachel madcow. they’ve gone insane. they never cared about the truth. for them “the truth” is just whatever they wish it were. pathetic.
HBD IS FAKE NEWS!
“This is circular reasoning because P1 is what your argument is supposed to prove, and not a premise it’s supposed to rest on.”
Not only that, but it produces a false dilemma: Alzheimers is either a genetic or psychological disorder. In reality it’s both.
There are no psychophysical laws.
1 For genes to cause psychological traits, there would need to be psycohphysical laws.
2 No such laws exist
∴ Genes do not cause psychological traits.
2 No such laws exist
Says who?
Davidson’s argument against the existence of psychophysical and psychological laws, for one.
P1) in order for genes to cause psychological traits, psychophysical laws must exist
P2) breeding dogs for temperment has proven genes cause psychological traits
C) psychophysical laws must exist
Those are dispositions.
It doesn’t need empirical support because it’s not an empirical matter. It’s a conceptual matter, based on a priori argumentation.
So if your conceptual reasoning told you to put your hand in a blender, would you do it?
The whole point of reasoning is to find the truth. When reasoning conflicts with empirical reality, it’s obviously based on faulty logic or faulty premises.
What empirical reality does the reasoning conflict with? Your example of behavior is explained by behavior is dispositional and thusly can be selected for.
Cognition is intentional—which is to say, a mental state—and therefore it cannot be selected for because genes underdetermine cognition. Cognition is irreducible to physical (brain) states.
If behaviour’s never intentional how come i can tell you how I’ll behave before doing so
I’m going to type the letter L three times: LLL
Just proved behaviour can be intentional.
Next argument
Cognition is intentional; behavior is dispositional; therefore cognition isn’t responsible for behavior.
RR is a dualist pp
I use my brain all the time to do mental things all the time. RR is mistaken.
Actions are intentional. You hitting “LLL” is an action.
Intentional behavior (what you call action) can be selected. Mice find their way through mazes because they intend to get the cheese at the end of the maze. Scientists have selected for this ability and produced strains of maze bright & maze dull mice.
Intentional behavior is a contradiction
Action is distinguished from behavior since action is intentional.
You’re defining it as a contradiction. It’s just semantics. Intentional body movement can be selected regardless of whether you call it behavior or action. The names don’t matter, the concepts do.
No they can’t. Behavior can be selected for because it’s dispositional. Cognition can’t because it’s intentional.
What you’re trying to say is thoughts alone don’t affect the environment. You need a body to physically manifest those thoughts. I agree
I’m saying what I said.
“Intentional behavior is a contradiction”
oh behave – Austin Powers
the average IQ of kyrgyzstanis is 70. kyrgyzstan has a much colder climate than the coast of chiner where 90% of the han live.
flushton flushed again. sad!
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/11/standard-deviations-around-world.html
exception dont prove a rule.
Maybe there is more poverty, inbreeding, malnourishment there? Also how is the quality of their education sector?? There is also a correlation between education quality/level and IQ?
The cold winter/IQ ‘hypothesis’ is a just-so story.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/05/06/cold-winter-theory-the-vitamin-d-hypothesis-and-the-prediction-of-novel-facts/
they disprove a rule fucktard. flushton’s theory has nothing but exceptions. it’s retarded just like flushton. flushton’s supporters have even lower IQs than flushton.
You obviously know nothing about England’s education system in the 1950s. Rushton would never have ended up in university had he not done well on the 11+ IQ test. Sad that even monolingual proles who live in trailer parks have internet access.
redacted,
pouncing on me using my grammatical error? Desperate times, desperate measures, eh?
Wait did i get this expression right? Grammatically or otherwise…
RR, in your article where you ‘debunked’ R/K, you used a lot of jewish sources and ‘arguments’ to say it wasn’t true. How come you never use gentile sources?
Which “jewish sources and ‘arguments'” did I use?
Puppy if asians are the most evolved how are they so racist? My mind is spinning pumpkin. Why dont they have open borders? I just dont get it. Help me understand.
A real puzzle.
white guilt.
but no Asian guilt.
One way to see how the phrase “most evolved” is dumb.
So humans are no more evolved than our ancestors billions of years ago? We haven’t undergone more evolution in the last few billion years?
“More evolved” meaning “more change” on what character?
Overall
Meaning…?
Meaning you have crossed bigger taxonomic barriers. A chimp that evolves into a human-like creature has done more evolving than a chimp that evolves into a bonobo-like creature because the former has changed its genus while the latter has only changed its species, and genus > species in the taxonomic hierarchy.
We’ve been through this two year ago.
Yes I know we have.
I think you reject the term “more evolved” because you feel that by using it, you’re admitting that evolution is progressive. I agree that most people who use the term are non-scientists who mean it as a complement, but I’m using it in the literal sense: more evolved literally just means more evolutionary change, it doesn’t mean the change is necessarily better or forward in any sense.
All current organisms are equally “evolved.”
Specify three characters.
All current organisms are equally “evolved.”
Why? Because they’ve all had the same amount of time to evolve? This assumes evolutionary change is entirely a function of time when a moment’s thought shows this not to be the case.
How do you quantify which species is “more evolved”, which “underwent more evolutionary change”? How do you quantify that? Who’s the current “most evolved” species and how do you know?
You don’t have to quantify it if you don’t want to, you just need to realize that some extant organisms are more evolved than others.
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/George-Will-border-crisis-minors/2014/07/28/id/585239/
“Conservative columnist” George Will telling all the children of latin america to come to america. Makes a lot of sense if you are paid to say that.
Will they ever interview a real conservative in the media? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a conservative on tv asides from Donald Trump funnily enough.
“Genetically superior? Trump brilliantly defeated every politician in America, yet still got played by Kim Jong Un.”
Why, in the depths of your ignorance, do you think that? Do you have any idea what conventional warfare on the Korean penensula would entail? Do you have any idea how laughable ALL previous diplomatic efforts to contain North Korea’s nuclear weapons program have been? No, you just blithely regurgitate media talking points about how Trump “got played.” The fact is, any new approach to dealing with Kim regime is a welcome departure, even if positive results are slow to materialize.
Not saying other presidents were any better.
Regardless, please consider the humanitarian disaster that would be a second Korean war. All talk about US/North Korea relations should be put in the proper context of what’s at stake for the North Korean population.
professor shoe has gone insane.
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2018/07/seven-years-two-tweets.html
Why do you read his blog if you don’t agree with him?
it has nothing to do with agreeing fucktard. his prediction has NOT come true. yet he claims it has. so he’s either insane, lying, or retarded.
[redacted by pp, july 8, 2018]
r vs K is obviously retarded when applied to humans and another example of how retarded HBD is.
facts:
1. birth rates in contemporary africa are the same or lower than those of europe and ne asia no more than 200 years ago.
2. the fertility of savages is and always has been much lower than that of agricultural peoples.
yet peepee dedicates an entire post to this rot. sad!
This paper examines the question of why the total fertility rate of the !Kung San hunter-gatherers of the Northern Kalahari desert is as low as 4.69 births.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01531090
etc.
You’re comparing apples & oranges. Obviously wildly different cultures will negate whatever genetic differences there may or may not be. Compare races in the same time & place.
that’s retarded. same place and time means same society means stratification by race.
china in 1960 was the same in terms of development as britain in 1850. same birth rate.
btw, CNN is owned by ATT which has a gentile CEO. so it’s the CNN staff that’s the problem. no one person or family owns much of ATT.
time was founded by gentiles. warner was jewish, and today warner has a japanese american CEO.
CEOs are beholden to shareholders Mug of Pee. Maybe go back to school and take a business course.
shareholders have no power unless they own a certain % of the company peepee-tard.
maybe graduate from college.
And some of them do own a certain %, Mug of Tard. Maybe graduate high school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
so according to peepee latinos are dumber than blacks, native americans are smarter than asians, and prior to 1994 whites were smarter than asians.
Native americans & Asians are both mongoloid & have lower fertility than whites who have lower fertility than blacks
Only real anomoly is Hispanics but they have a lot of black blood and as trump said, they’re not sending their best
Robert is confusing actual babies in the hospital ward with sexual appetite. Blacks have sex a lot more than other races.
This is purely anecdotal, but black women are by far the most forward of all women. If a black woman likes you, she will literally come up to talk to you even if you are a complete stranger.
“Native americans & Asians are both mongoloid & have lower fertility than whites who have lower fertility than blacks.”
Yet Native American still have lower recorded IQs, which is the entire signficance of R/K by race in terms of “quality”.
“Only real anomoly is Hispanics but they have a lot of black blood and as trump said, they’re not sending their best.”
What ever “black blood” is miniscule compared to white/mongoloid blood. They still have less than American Blacks and still have higher IQs on average.
No population has all the K traits so the only way to be scientific is to measure people on many traits and calculate a composite score
“No population has all the K traits so the only way to be scientific is to measure people on many traits and calculate a composite score.”
And is that what’s actually done, or has the major support in HBD been mainly kept in modern correlations?
The alleged consistent pattern between fertility and IQ for human R/K is the basic support, and the proposed mehcanisms were modeled as selection pressures that, if measured, would show measured traits that would progressively into modern differences from their ancient environments.
Yet, this does not hold as these fertility rates do not only change between decades within groups, but also relative to other groups.
Likewise, differences in worldwide fertility is better explained by conversion to industrial environments, hence why the chinese answer to less children in indutrial environments was so drastic and why Africa’s lack of an efficient government to convert towards commerical farming still makes traditional matters relavant to this day.
“Native americans & Asians are both mongoloid”
Incorrect.
http://sci-hub.tw/10.1086/677694
“Only real anomoly is Hispanics but they have a lot of black blood and as trump said, they’re not sending their best”
When you say “Hispanics” what do you mean? Dominicans? Puerto Ricans? They have a high percentage of ‘black blood’, but Central and South Americans vary a lot (with there being many white South Americans).
Incorrect.
We don’t know whether it’s correct or incorrect because there’s never been a hierarchical factor analysis of genomic predictors of phenotype. All you have to go on is someone arbitrarily deciding that their must be 5 races and thus dividing genetic variation into five parts, and ignoring phenotype in the process.
They’re meaningfully demarcated.
So? It will divide the human gene pool into as many meaningful demarcated groups as you ask it to, which means the races it spits out are an arbitrary function of one’s preference. Hierarchical factor analysis is much more objective because it decides how many groups there are based on the correlation matrix of genomically predicted predicted phenotypes, and then it also decides the number of subgroups within each group. There is no human judgement or decision involved, except for the names you want to assign to the groups and subgroups (race, subspecies, subrace etc)
The arguments in Hardimon and Spencer establishes that they are separate races.
The US Census Bureau defers to the Office of Management and Budget. The OMB discusses “sets of” populations. K= 5 delineates populations that Americans refer to when referring to race. So since Americans defer to the Census Bureau and the Census Bureau defers to the OMB, when we Americans talk about race, we talk about proper names for population groups as denoted by the OMB—even though ‘race’ looks like a ‘kind’ term, according to Spencer (2014: 1028-1029) “its current use in US racial discourse is that of a proper name. It is a term that rigidly designates a particular set of “population groups.” This means that race is a particular, not a kind.”
“Step 1. Recognize that there are differences in patterns of visible physical features of human beings that correspond to their differences in geographical ancestry.
Step 2. Observe that these patterns are exhibited by groups (that is, deal existing groups).
Step 3. Note that the groups that exhibit patterns of visible physical features that correspond to differences in geographical ancestry satisfy the conditions of the minimalist concept of race.
Step 4. Infer that minimalist races exist.” (Hardimon, 2017: 69)
You can infer that race exists but what you can’t do is tell us how many there are and who they consist of. For that you need hierarchical factor analysis. But they exist, we agree.
Spencer’s argument identifies the groups identified by the OMB which are white, black, native American, Asian, and Pacific Islander. Hardimon’s needs support from Rosenberg et al 2002. But you can reason how many races exist based on the 4-step argument, because you don’t need genes to tell how many races exist. Can races be delineated at the level of the gene? Yes. Is it needed to know that race exists? No.
Robert and RR get caught up in this weather stuff and cold climate stuff. quality>quantity rule applies to animals because their environment defines their survival. But in humans, Master defines survival. Who is in. Who is out. Who is a heretic. Who is noble etc.
This explains why Chinese people have higher IQs than Kyrgyzstan and these other semi mongloid central asian places. I can say that mongolia is R selected. And they are mongloids too. Literally these places are side by side. There are a lot of cultural and geographic and historical reasons why Mongolians are dumber and R selected.
A lot of it has to do with what Marx wrote. Not some ecologist studying wolves and birds.
you need to learn how to read. i’m not caught up in anything. i was ridiculing flushton [redacted by pp, July 8, 2018]
Even if you don’t accept the exact biology cum anthropology model. Then call R/K theory something else. Lets call it Wil Chamberlain/Professor Shu theory. Its still an explanation that works and makes correct predictions.
Puppy looks korean. He is K selected.
the tfr of barbados is 1.8.
Idiot^
You have to have an explanation for why some races have more nerds than others at the end of the day. Nerds aren’t viable in hunter gatherer societies.
They’re more viable than you’d be. Who do you think invented the bow and arrow & other Palaeolithic advances?
Oprah
You’d just be telling just-so stories.
[redacted by pp, July 8, 2018] she should make a fire with her flushton and densen books.
The Aboriginal female population grew by 20% between 2006 and 2011,Note 5 compared with 5% for the non-Aboriginal female population. Specifically, population growth was highest among First Nations (+23%) females, followed by Inuit (+18%), and Métis (+17%) females. Moreover, between 2006 and 2011, the number of First Nations females with registered Indian status grew by 14% while the number of First Nations females without registered Indian status increased by 62%. … Fertility rates remain higher for Aboriginal women compared to non-Aboriginal women
The fertility rates of Aboriginal people remain higher than that of the non-Aboriginal population, although the rates vary from one Aboriginal group to another. In 2011, the total fertility rate of Aboriginal women was 2.2 children per woman, compared with 1.6 children per woman for the non-Aboriginal population.
Hahaha, you’re totally contradicting the graph you showed before
I’ll make a fire when The wit & wisdom of Mug of Pee hits the printing press
the people of HBDNN:
cockring = madcow
sailer = jim acosta
professor shoe = jeff zucker
peepee = Fredricka Whitfield