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The Philosopher said:
Imo soros is not a psychopath baded on everything ive seen. But he has a remarkable tolerance for risk thats strangely rational.
Hes a very good speaker. He would be a great college professor. His lectures are on youtube. He isnt a mindless robot like buffet or steve cohen. He thinks a lot about why he became rich.
The Philosopher said:
Sors went to the same high school as teller , von neumann and another nobel physicist in hungary. Small world.
GondwanaMan said:
Amazing to think four 140+ IQ people attended the same high school!
The Philosopher said:
Soros said russia hacked the election. But i guess so did rob reiner and rob is a nice guy. Its sad seeing people like maddow and michael moore and that have a lobotomy and talk about russia.
Bruno said:
I am traveling through Viêt Nam and it’s not easy to figure out their IQ. Their is a contradiction among their very backward culture and their apparent abilities . And Viets have very different temperament depending on the region .
The Philosopher said:
Bruno why don’t you ask them their IQs and measure their brains. I think theyd like that.
Bruno said:
I like your sense of humour philo 🙂
One guy from here was telling he was fascinated when 7yo by Occidentals coming to hep them. He thought they looked like walking trees. Male looked like pregnant women (here most people are less than 50kg). Some of them hairy like monkeys.
Everyone was thinking why are their helping us ? Their are not from our family . Their are not expecting anything . So the conclusion was they must be stupid people ! Someone wise in the village said, maybe they have so much, that giving to others make them feel better .
So philo you could come here and show’ them the light : white people are brainwashed by Jews to hate their own race and it goes through helping and inviting other races. The goal of Jews being a protection of their parasistic behaviour . Come preach the gospel to the world 🙂
Someone with phoenixx said:
Even if it was true that human beings are extremely plastic in behavior as sociologists love to suggest it still would mean that human nature////biology itself would be plastic. Indeed they invented the ”epigenetics” exactly to try to prove their exacerbated points.
In other words, even extreme behavioral/body organic plasticity ”still” would be inheritable, 😉 , genetic ”or’ biologically determined.
Someone with phoenixx said:
One of the foundational aspects of domestication is the assymetry between quantity and quality, specially in intellectual terms. Intellectual quality is mostly related with our capacity to understand reality, at least its beggining, its backbone. Intellectual quantity is our capacity to learn regardless what, for what, for whom.
fenoopy said:
You know, Phil is really smart/honest. I’m surprised he’s black.
I think Sudanese and Ethiopians are a lot smarter than Niger-Congo Bantu.
They’re definitely a different breed.
The Philosopher said:
Youre fuckin retarded. People keep calling me black on this blog and I write the most horrible things about blacks. I even had a blackface man as my profile photo lol.
pumpkinperson said:
Philosopher wrote the following in another thread but since it was off-topic there I post it here:
A good iq test
What would you do if you had 70 billion dollars
A donate it to africa
B double africas reproduction rate
C convince other billionaires to spend money on barbarian welfare
D fund anti zionist causes.
All Trump’s money is going to Zionist grandkids so he would choose the opposite of D. And yet you praise Trump as a social genius and mock Gates as autistic.
GondwanaMan said:
Al Jolson (the blackface guy you had as your pic) was a Jew who was really into Civil Rights and befriended a lot of black people. Know your history!
Fenoopy said:
Not you, idiot. Phil74 or whatever, though honest mistake. You are smart (in my opinion), but also fucking retarded because you believe Trump isn’t a fucking Jew shill.
pumpkinperson said:
You are smart (in my opinion), but also fucking retarded
Philosopher is smart, but socially retarded so he misunderstands Trump
Fenoopy said:
I think White people want a ‘hero’ that’s why they fawn after Trump despite the fact that he’s obviously on the Jew side, not theirs.
There are two sides. Jew side and Marxist side. They aren’t the same side. Obama is 100% anti-Jew. Not Jew the race, Jew the religion and in-group. Jew the mafia. This is why you will see him work with racial Jews, the race doesn’t matter to Marxists, only the ideology.
I don’t think Germanics are smart enough to understand these things. They were considered barbarians in mud huts just like Niger-Congo Blacks by Arabs/Berbers/Jews/Greeks/Romans for most of history. 100 IQ or less is probably their limit. Or alternatively, something innate in their genetics makes them incredibly easy to fool.
How can they possibly believe Trump is on their side? And they do, I read ‘The Daily Stormer’.
pumpkinperson said:
There are two sides. Jew side and Marxist side. They aren’t the same side. Obama is 100% anti-Jew. Not Jew the race, Jew the religion and in-group. Jew the mafia. This is why you will see him work with racial Jews, the race doesn’t matter to Marxists, only the ideology.
Fenoopy is socially retarded too. There’s only one side: Jews
But Jews can be subdivided into Israeli Jews & global Jews. Trump advances the interest of the former (wanting to tear up Iran nuclear deal) while Obama advances the latter (open borders, culturally liberal). The alt-right sees Trump as being on their side against the global Jews and thus gives him a pass for being Bibi’s bitch
There is no Marxist side. That’s Fox News crap. Obama is the opposite of a Marxist, he’s a puppet for wallstreet who let criminal bankers loot the U.S. treasury
Fenoopy said:
But why? I can respect opposing view points, but I need concrete real world events to change my mind. I can’t believe Marxists are Jew-shills because so many of them are anti-Semitic and Marxism is anti-Semitic by definition.
Stalin for example, was openly anti-Semitic. He also killed Trotsky.
pumpkinperson said:
You’re still living in WWII. You need to update your political analysis to contemporary power brokers, not Stalin.
I never said Marxists were Jew-shills, but today Marxists have no power so they’re irrelevant
Fenoopy said:
It’s ridiculously obvious that Trump is a Jewish shill.
I don’t think there are ‘globalist Jews’. Globalist Jews are likely to be Communists/Marxists. Churchill referred to ‘globalist Jews’ as being ‘Athiest Bolsheviks’ aka Communists.
‘Global Jews’ are probably just Marxists and likely atheist and anti-Semitic/Progressive.
pumpkinperson said:
I don’t think there are ‘globalist Jews’. Globalist Jews are likely to be Communists/Marxists
You’re confusing Marxism with cultural Marxism. The stereotypical globalist Jewish elite is an international banker who true Marxists hate. Marxists are not part of the elite today, they’re a fringe group like the alt-right
Fenoopy said:
It’s true, that’s a WW2 time era. I know Obama’s father was a Marxist. I know George Soros is blatantly Marxist.
George Soros is funding most of the ‘global Jew’ stuff you see and he is an open Marxist. I watched all his ‘Open Society’ lectures.
pumpkinperson said:
If Soros is such a Marxist why does he fund open borders? That drives down wages for the working class.
If elites in Western countries were truly Marxist there wouldn’t be so much income inequality
pumpkinperson said:
Before WWII a lot of Jews were Marxist because Jews were dirt poor, but as their wealth grew, it no longer served their interests, though they remain culturally Marxist
Fenoopy said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
Saul Alinsky is another very interesting name, given his relation with people in power today.
Fenoopy said:
“If Soros is such a Marxist why does he fund open borders? That drives down wages for the working class.”
Subversion, I presume. Immigrants overwhelmingly vote left. Immigrants also destroy race (a Marxist ideal).
“If elites in Western countries were truly Marxist there wouldn’t be so much income inequality”
I don’t believe the elites are Marxist, they are still largely Zionist (in America), I believe there is a large Communist power working against them.
Sweden is the best example of a Marxist dominated country. Income equality is very high.
America is a very Zionist dominated country. The eye of providence on the dollar bill, Freemasonry (Zionism) etc.
Capitalism might as well be Judaism, Jews are the ultimate capitalists and always have been, long before the term capitalism was coined.
I don’t think Communism is dead at all. It has changed in its forms (Open Society, Chinese Communism) but it’s still very much alive, not a fringe group.
Fenoopy said:
Another reason why Trump hates China, they represent Marxists, he represents Zionists.
China’s elite aren’t dominated by Jews. China is the arch-rival of Jewish America.
So is Russia (Russia is still in my opinion, Communist). Putin is a KGB agent who has openly stated the biggest tragedy is the ‘fall’ of the USSR.
After reading ‘New Lies for Old’ I don’t believe the USSR fell at all, only appeared to do so in order to subvert Jewish America. The KGB is very much the same institution it always was, a Soviet one.
Fenoopy said:
The assassination of a Jewish oligarch in London this week reminded me again that Russia is still very much Communist and anti-Semitic.
The Philosopher said:
Youre both wrong. [bizarrely literal interpretation of my past comments redacted by pp, march 16, 2018]. Fenoopy youre wrong because you’re wrong for some of the reasons pumpkin said. Ill write a longer explanation later.
The Philosopher said:
Oh you are taking about Phil74?, the chap from zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe’s friend.
The Philosopher said:
The most honest black non narcisstic liar commenter here is Mikey. Who is 100% upfront about what his deal is.
GondwanaMan said:
No Mikey just smokes a lot of crack and has no inhibitions.
I wonder how his project on the West Coast is going.
Fenoopy said:
Yes, I was really surprised to find out he was black. I’ve known for a while though that ‘black’ isn’t a homogeneous racial category and that some blacks are smart and some are retarded. African-Americans are bred from the retarded ones. As for smart ones, I’ve known for some time that Sudanese and Ethiopians (such as Habesha) are much smarter than Niger-Congo people.
Thinking Mouse said:
I would seperate west africans from central ones, even though bantu africans share an west african lineage, they have significant pygmy admixture.
For example: Low to zero Pygmie admixture:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Sudanid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/Guinesid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/SouthBantuid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/CentralBantuid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/NorthBantuid.html
Grops with pygmy admixture:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Congolesid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/WestCongolesid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/TwaCwa.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/WestBambutid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/EastBambutid.html
Etheopia and somalia have better soil for agriculture and more ports in the busy red sea and indan ocean, west arfica is less hospitable, yet west africans stand competetively (and in my opinion supperiorly) to east africa.
The Philosopher said:
I told my sister for the first time about my views on HBD today. She thinks Im crazy. She just hung up after a point and told me to take more medication. I told my GP also today about the nature of my ‘crazy’ ‘paranoid delusional’ worldview. He actually agreed with me up to a point. Funnily enough he accepted jews control everything but not that blacks were dumber and more prone to violence. In carnival mirror land I am the ‘crazy’ ‘evil’ ‘fascist’ person and these brainwashed idiots are the ‘sane’ ‘good’ people.
Someone with phoenixx said:
Coward = / = good people
The Philosopher said:
If you want to know what its like living in 1984, you don’t need to imagine it if youre a westerner. Its that simple. You live it every day.
The Philosopher said:
Ironic that people only respect me when I say I was a banker or a consultant or won a scholarship etc etc. If I tell them my logical arguments for this and that they think im totally loco. I can’t even get beyond 3 sentences with some people. Some people have actually burst out laughing. And you basically cant talk to these people ever again because they’re inoculated against you.
The Philosopher said:
I had a very long term friend who I went to asia with to work and I remember after a few drinks I mentioned my theories and he refused to agree with me even though he could understand what I was saying. He actually said something like – “Well you know theyre just theories, youd need evidence really to know for sure”. WHAT THE FUCK. YOU NEED A BRAIN TO KNOW FOR SURE BUDDY. I didnt say that last line.
The Philosopher said:
Its sad.
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcbsnews1.cbsistatic.com%2Fhub%2Fi%2F2014%2F06%2F19%2F2fc702fa-90f3-4d6e-9c3d-11e514d5dc09%2Ftwilight-zone-nightmare-at-20000-feet.jpg&f=1
There is something on the wing goddamit!
Theres something on the wing and were all going to die if you dont do anything about it!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
Someone with phoenixx said:
Most people who said ”you need a evidence to prove your theories” is being dishonest. It’s not a cognive thing but more deeper, emotional ones.
The Philosopher said:
I hate that line. You need actual ‘evidence’ to prove it. What does that even mean. A binder with pink documents with key phrases circled on official government paper? What does that phrase mean? ‘Evidence’? This isnt a philosophy question. If someone killed someone tomorrow, is it evidence to have seen a guy running away from the body at the time or do you need a autographed photo of him running away with a confession in lipstick on your shirt? Dumb people just say that line when they dont want to believe in something.
“I need actual evidence”.
If getting ‘evidence’ was the key to knowing anything we’d all have the mental compass of Bill Gates.
The Philosopher said:
What about doctored evidence, or one sided evidence presented to you or evidence you need to rely on an expert to interperet? You would know basically nothing if you relied totally on hardcore 100% certifiably provable evidence.
The Philosopher said:
So I said look at the PISA scores – its obvious asians are good at math, naturally. She said – but thats the legacy of colonialism or some other shit.
The Philosopher said:
Something pumpkin would say.
Someone with phoenixx said:
A gift to you!!
wayne gretzky said:
Someone with phoenixx said:
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GondwanaMan said:
Oprah’s is a lesbo, definitely.
pumpkinperson said:
Why are you so certain? As a self-proclaimed straight young sexually repressed man, what would you know about the sexuality of a vibrant 64-year-old woman?
GondwanaMan said:
Firstly, physiognomy.
Secondly, it’s hard for a woman that rich and powerful to be impressed by a man anymore. Woman have a need to be dominated to some extent, whether financially, socially, sexually, phtsically, etc. And there’s no way that light-skinned fag twink Stedman is doing any of that.,
Even if Stedman has amazing bedroom game Oprah can still afford the Orgasmotron 4000 and get her rocks off even better.
Thus Oprah is always the Man in the relationship, and Gayle fulfils the more submissive female role. Study Gayle’s mannerisms sometime and how she imitates Oprah. She’s in love with her.
DUH!!!
pumpkinperson said:
Woman have a need to be dominated to some extent, whether financially, socially, sexually, phtsically, etc. And there’s no way that light-skinned fag twink Stedman is doing any of that.,
Although Stedman’s 6’7″ so she may feel dominated physically
RaceRealist said:
How is physiognomy correlated with lesbianism?
Someone with phoenixx said:
She may have lower libido, at asiatic woman levels [on avg].
Fenoopy said:
“a vibrant 64-year-old woman?”
She is horrendously ugly to me. The jolly Mammy Two Shoes type.
GondwanaMan said:
Oh damn. I didn’t know he was that tall. I wonder if he was ever an athlete.
Someone with phoenixx said:
RaceRealist said:
PP what do you think?
“As we run larger and larger GWAS, some of the signals that emerge may turn out to reflect the action of modifiable (e.g., environmental or behavioural) exposures, rather than more direct biological effects.”
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1005765
pumpkinperson said:
Sounds reasonable. GWAS simply identifies potential genetic causes of a trait. In order to verify that a particular SNP is causal, the results need to be replicated in diverse samples. For example, perhaps a certain SNP increases the risk of cancer. It could be that it doesn’t cause cancer per se, but rather causes you to smoke and the smoking causes cancer. But then if the same SNP is linked to cancer in a smoking free country like Bhutan, that excuse is no longer tenable and it seems the SNP is causal. So replication across diverse samples is key to proving causation. NOTE: I am using the term “cause” in either the active and passive sense, because I know you’ve argued against genes being actively causal and of course genes are not synonymous with SNPs
ian smith said:
what is missed by all hereditists and may be missed by some of their opponents:
a trait may be close to un-change-able at age 30 but easily changed at age 1 or at age still in the womb.
the growth of a tree is an analogy to the development of the mind. once a tree is gnarled and stunted it can never grow straight and tall.
[redacted by pp, march 17, 2018]: this has nothing to do with the wilson effect promoted by retards like jensen. it’s the opposite of the wilson effect.
the experiments with enriched environments worked as long as the environment was enriched. the conclusion lying fucktards like jensen draw from this is the intervention doesn;t work therefore genes. the correct inference is that “smart is something one becomes not something one just is” and that some will enrich their own environment (to the extent it can be enriched) and others won’t. smart is a verb.
pumpkinperson said:
the experiments with enriched environments worked as long as the environment was enriched
But did they? Jensen argued that even while the gains lasted, they were hollow with respect to g.
ian smith said:
please site sources other than densen and flushton.
Bruno said:
I have never watched an Oprah show except the extract pumpkin posted against racism. But when I googled Oprah and Gayle, after reading Gondwana’s comments , I am pretty much convinced by his intuition….
If true, it’s sad for her, because Hellen de Generes or Maddow are out and it doesn’t hirt them. But black peole are much more less open to LGBT people. In France , gay from the Caribbean have an extremely hard time to get accepted by their own familles and can’t get out of the closet if they stay there . Maybe it’s the same among Afro American . Even Nicki Minaj is pretending to be bisexual, I suppose not to be tagged as a lesbian.
The Philosopher said:
I said that in a post pumpkin deleted.
ruff! said:
it could be peepee grew up in a neighborhood which and her schools were such that…
what i’m trying to say is…
it could be peepee has never met a real man.
and thus she has chosen lesbianism over effeminate south asian and mongo men.
Fenoopy said:
I’ve been intensely studying Africa as of late and I become less and less racist by the day. I’m starting to seriously doubt that Africans are inferior in intellect at all. I know that certain African ethnic groups are definitely more intelligent, Sudanese, Ethiopians and so on, but I am also seeing that West Africans were indeed capable of civilization. They had swords, armor, shields, they rode domesticated animals. They had buildings and shitty medieval castles.
Perhaps race really is largely irrelevant and it comes down to the same physical factors that influence us all.
pumpkinperson said:
The problem is all the “racists” have been purged from academia, so the people who feel Africa had great civilizations are monopolizing the debate. and the skeptics have been silenced. It’s the same with HBD in general. Lynn has retired and Rushton and Jensen are dead. So there’s just no one left to promote HBD so as a result, all the articles call it pseudoscience.
Afrosapiens 🇫🇷🇪🇺 said:
Unless you want to argue that artifacts are forgeries, it’s irrelevant that the racists have been “purged”. I’m not aware that there have ever been racist specialists of Africa who denied the archaeological findings and the historical facts of the continent.
Afrosapiens 🇫🇷🇪🇺 said:
Same with HBD. There aren’t geneticists, neuroscientists or other specialists that ever supported any HBD theory.
And HBDers have not been “purged” of the academia. The old generation (Jensen, Rushton, etc.) relied on the traditional book industry to spread their stories, so they used their academic titles to trump the public on their authority and make sure editors would accept their books.
Now the new generation uses social media, capitalizes on the distrust of the establishment by fringe online communities to push their pseudoscience as anonymous bloggers and twitter accounts.
The Philosopher said:
More evidence youre a moron.
The Philosopher said:
I was saying it about fenoopy, not afro for once.
Afrosapiens 🇫🇷🇪🇺 said:
He’s a lot less dumb and psychotic than you. At least he has the excuse of being a teen.
pumpkinperson said:
In the interest of avoiding flame wars, as of 4:30 pm today (Ontario time), all insults from Afro to Philo (and vice versa) will be redacted
new york zionist queers in petticoats said:
wtf is wrong with flaming? or flame throwers as tool of war? is it because peepee is afro? is that it?
one can ignore afro’s worship of jews and his in-cognizance of his own black-ness, and…
still afro doesn’t grasp that the EU and the euro are just another german attempt at world domination.
germany owns france. no need to conquer it.
sad!
france bends over.
germany inserts.
france likes it.
The Philosopher said:
More evidence youre a moron.
Fenoopy said:
Everyone has their biases. I personally hope humans aren’t sharply divided in intelligence by genetics because if it were so it would mean bleak things for the future. As for you, you love Trump because you hope that Jews aren’t really winning so hard.
The Philosopher said:
Donald Trump as president is already a defeat for them almost no matter what he does. Ill explain it to you another day.
pumpkinperson said:
Trump is arguably a defeat for global Jewish intersts but arguably advances Israeli Jewish interests which is why the Jews who only care about the latter often like him
Fenoopy said:
Shucks, I can’t believe I missed such an astute observation.
Jm8 said:
Fenoopy:
Here’s a good video compilation of ancient-medieval Nigerian artifacts (from Benin, Nok—though a lot of the better ones from Nok were unfortunately not included in it—, the Yoruba city-states of Ife, Owo and Esie, and Igbo Ukwu, and one non-Igbo one from South East Nigeria—a carved monolith), a lot of them very beautiful.
Jm8 said:
I especially like the Ife terra-cotta elephant head at 6:52 —which is kind of hard to see (and a lot of the Ife, Owo and Benin stuff and the Igbo Ukwu bronze containers in the shape of calabashes). (also, there is a—more stylized, and later/more recent than most of the others; I think ca. 1600-1700 ad—bronze figure from another Yoruba city-state, that of Ijebu around 5:57-6:04)
Jm8 said:
(the terra cottas are from Ife, Owo, or Nok and the bronzes are mostly Benin, Ife and Owo—Ife and Owo have similar styles, typically more realistic—,or Igbo Ukwu)
Fenoopy said:
Were West Africans ever able to develop a writing system? I know Ethiopians and Sudanese were (to my knowledge).
Also, is there a difference between West Africans and Central Africans?
Are there any resources where I can read more detailed knowledge about Africa’s civilizations?
Jm8 said:
Fenoopy:
There was one writing system developed in South East Nigeria called Nsibidi (it was shared by various tribes there and works ideographically as Chinese script does—with characters representing words—, and was able to represent syntactical language as a true script does). It goes back at least to ca. 400 ad but some features of it may be older (to 1,000 bc or so—give or take—, but that is more speculative and a post 100 bc-400 ad date seems more likely so far).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi
See
” Iconography and Continuity in West Africa: Calabar Terracottas and the Arts of the Cross River Region of Nigeria/Cameroon” by Ekp Eyo
the independant creation of a script is not especially common historically (though it has certainly happened several times; China, Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Olmecs in South Mexico, the Indus valley, S.E. Nigeria, and possibly among the Polynesians of Easter Island) so it is notable (and Nsibidi, is from all evidence, completely indigenous and resembles no other script, in addition to being everywhere surrounded by regions that did not use scripts at all), and even some otherwise advanced cultures did not do it), though semi-scripts (of pictograms—like the adinkra of the Ghanaian Ashanti, the Middewiwin symbols of the Chippewa Indians, or the glyphs of the Aztecs—, that represent ideas or objects, but without the ability to represent syntax or sentences, are more common). The relatively advanced Anasazi of the American SouthWest, and most cultures in the Andes and Central America and the Americas in general (except for the Olmecs and the Mayans, and possibly the Mixtecs and Zapotecs though those last two are disputed) did not have true scripts, nor did the Yoruba or Ashanti (through they were relatively advanced in many ways). The scripts of Europe all derived from the near east (though some relatively advanced cultures, without scripts as far as we know, did begin to develop in Europe during the Neolithic and bronze age (the Hallstatt, culture, the Nordic bronze age, the megalith builders of Western Europe and the Mediterranean).
In Ethiopia, I believe the local script (Geez) had near Eastern roots (but was modified) and the script used in ancient Nubia in North and Central Sudan (Meroitic) was—modified but—based on the alphabetic symbols of Egyptian hieroglyphics (which the Nubians improved by adding consonants and word diving marks—much the way the Greeks improved the Phoenician script in forming their own.
Re: Central Africansand. West Africans
Central African tribes mostly belong to the Bantu ethnolinguistic group, which is pat of the larger Niger-Congo language family (the Niger-Congo family is mostly based in and native to West Africa. And it is one of the main language families on Africa, some others being Nilo-Saharan, Khoisan, Afro-Asiatic, and smaller groups or isolates like Hadza, etc). Proto-bantu split off sometime between 1,000 bc and 3,000 bc around Cameroon or the North West Congo (Bantu is a relatively very young/recently diverging branch of Niger Congo). West Africans are not Bantu (except for some Cameroonian ethnic groups) but belong to many other, much older and diverse branches of the Niger Congo family (which is very diverse, has many deeply rooted branches, and whose own original divergence likely goes back to the paleolithic (where it may possibly share a common ancestor with Nilo-Saharan). So Central Africans are distinct from West Africans but their ancestors descended from a branch of West Africans who spread into Central Africa, and from there into South Africa and parts of East Africa, and afew Central African tribes in parts of the Eastern Congo also belong to the Adamawa Ubangian family which is another branch of Niger-Congo different from bantu (not including Pygmies of course, who are a separate group more native to Central Africa, whose ancestors have been distinct from other Africans for tens of thousands of years—more than 200,000 years really—, and who originally had their own languages distinct from the Niger-Congo and other existing African language families, before they adopted the languages of their more advanced and dominant Bantu and Adamawa Ubangian neighbors, who were farmers whereas Pygmies were more primitive hunter-gatherers, while retaining some unique words and grammatical features from their originally languages).
There were some semi-civilized and relatively advanced cultures in parts of Central Africa, though these seem to be a bit less common and smaller in scale than those of West Africa (Central Africa probably was in general less advantageous in climate, being more densely forested and humid and having even fewer navigable rivers for instance)
Some examples being: the Kingdom of Kongo; the Kuba kingdom (also known as the Bushong of Bushongo); the Luba kingdom and its predecessor the Kissalian culture; Cameroonian kingdoms of the Cameroonian grassland region like the Bamileke, Bamoum Bandjoun, Bafut and others; the kingdom of the Mangbetu; and the East Central African kingdoms of Buganda in Uganda, Bunyoro and Rwanda. All these cultures having complex and interesting political structures and very high quality arts in many cases: e.g. raffia textiles and and ivory carving (some of which survives from the 1400s-1600s)—especially from the Kongo kingdom and Kuba—, wood and carving and metalwork and pottery (especially Kuba, Kongo, and the Cameroonian grassland region groups).
There were also (esp. in the cases of the Kuba, Mangbetu, Buganda and the the Bamileke and Bamoum, Bafut etc.,) some interesting and unique forms of architecture (I linked examples of Cameroonian grasslands architecture (e.g. Bamileke architecture) an earlier thread that you were part of below another post on this site.
(southern African Bantu cultures like great Zimbabwe, Khami, Mabungubwe, or the Zulu, being Bantu, were of course also ultimately also descendants of Central Africans)
Links, including one map, showing ethnographic-lingustic affinities and taxonomies within the Niger Congo family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger–Congo_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger–Congo_languages#/media/File:Map_of_the_Niger–Congo_languages.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_languages
Art from Kongo:
https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2015/kongo/blog/posts/welcome
(the raffia weaving tradition and patterns were very ancient for use in matts, but the sewing of them into filled cushions was a later practice)
https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2015/kongo/blog/posts/patterns-without-end
Bamileke architecture (imho especially interesting around middle and end), palaces and similar structures:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=111155106
(Bamoum architecture, and Bafut, etc. is similar)
Kuba art:
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ap-art-history/africa-ap/a/ndop-portrait-of-king-mishe-mishyaang-mambul
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19412/lot/255/
http://www.hamillgallery.com/KUBA/KubaBoxes/KubaBox04.html
http://amica.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/AMICO~1~1~41188~53646:Cup-with-Handle-in-Form-of-Hand?sort=OCS&qvq=q:kuba;sort:OCS;lc:AMICO~1~1&mi=3&trs=50
http://www.earthmetropolis.com/Earth/kuba.html
Jm8 said:
I wrote
” and a few Central African tribes in parts of the Eastern Congo also belong to the Adamawa-Ubangian family which is another branch of Niger-Congo different from Bantu”
correction: most of the Adamawa-Ubangian family languages are in the Northern Congo region (incl. the North Eastern part) rather than the East (the rest of Central Africa mostly speaking Bantu languages, and West Africa speaking other non-Bantu languages in the Niger-Congo family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Niger–Congo_languages.svg
language families/maps (including Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan, etc)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Africa#/media/File:Map_of_African_languages.svg
Fenoopy said:
I’m impressed by the depth of your knowledge in the subject.
Fenoopy said:
You know a lot more about Africa than me. Can I ask your personal opinion on African intelligence? Are they genetically less intelligent or do you believe Humans are very close in intelligence but genetic differences exist?
Jm8 said:
Fenoopy:
I believe they may be genetically as intelligent (which is what I generally lean toward). Though that I suspect that if any differences exist, they’re would probably be pretty small (significantly smaller than claimed).—though it could vary within Africa as well (even within regions like West of central Africa for example).
Jm8 said:
cont: So I’m skeptical of differences being genetic, or at least substantially so (though I would perhaps not rule out small genetic contributors in some cases).
Jm8 said:
“though I would perhaps not totally rule out small genetic contributors in some cases—but I have some doubts).”
Jm8 said:
“not totally rule out small genetic contributors in some cases—but I have some doubts”
meaning that I have doubts about there being any genetic contributors (but cannot rule it out)
(sorry again for my ambiguous language)
Fenoopy said:
I read this somewhere in regard to the genetic distance between human races.
“Humans are really not genetically diverse and the differences between two “races” of humans from opposite sides of the world are less than those between two groups of chimps living on opposite sides of a river in the Congo.
Human “races” are about as different as the differences between these dogs:”
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d8700a403a908d2176127983a1c687f7
What do you think about this? Do you think it’s true? Can you explain your answer?
Jm8 said:
That does seem to make sense); as humans are more bottlenecked than chimps (having had a smaller population size during an important period of our evolution), and thus have less genetic diversity (and also humans are unlike dogs are as a group overall, which, though more bottlenecked/interbred, were variously purposely bred artificially/selectively by humans for a wide variety of different specialized functions and thus are more diverse than humans). Human races may be as different as the differences between those those (very closely related groups of) dogs (types of labrador I believe), and I have sometimes thought so myself—but I’d have to do more research to be /preciselyabsolutely sure.
Jm8 said:
Correction:
” (and also humans, are unlike dogs—dogs as an overall group in al their diversity; because, though dogs are as a group/overall much more bottlenecked than chimps, they were variously purposely bred artificially/selectively by humans for a wide variety of different specialized functions and thus are in many ways more diverse than humans are)”
Mike1600 said:
Hey @pumpkinperson, do you still provide commentary on readers who have taken an IQ test?
pumpkinperson said:
Yes, if I think there’s something that can be learned from their scores. I get too many requests to do it in every case.
Mike1600 said:
I sent mine over to you yesterday, I can provide raw scores as well. I think I am the classic underachiever and have an odd verbal comprehension score anomaly based on my school performance and career thus far.
Lyrion said:
“I don’t think Germanics are smart enough to understand these things. They were considered barbarians in mud huts just like Niger-Congo Blacks by Arabs/Berbers/Jews/Greeks/Romans for most of history. 100 IQ or less is probably their limit. Or alternatively, something innate in their genetics makes them incredibly easy to fool.”
A lot of Berbers/Arabs are completely retarded and believe in conspiracy theories. I would even add that the dumber they are the more antisemitic and likely to believe in all sort of conspiracy theories they are.
Antisemitism is not a sign of intelligence coming from a muslim it’s simply the norm.
I agree the most pro-jew Whites tend to be the dumbest but this correlation only apply within Whites.
Fenoopy said:
A lot of Berbers are completely retarded, I see enough of them myself. A lot of Whites are completely retarded too. Very differing reasons. Retarded Berbers love absurd conspiracy theories, retarded Whites believe everything they’re told, especially by a higher authority.
Lyrion said:
Exactly. Then why do you use Germanic/Nordic’s naivety as an argument for their supposed stupidity ?
Fenoopy said:
I was just joking, I know they’re just naive. Naivety is a form of stupidity, but I am aware that being a retarded conspiracy theorist is also.
Tanstaafl said:
Could You estimate the iq offline neuroscientist Karl friston, please.
Tanstaafl said:
Offline=of. Sorry autocirrection fix my post please
Fenoopy said:
I try to listen to 1 hour lectures like these anytime I’m driving or outside.
The Philosopher said:
I saw all the new star wars movies recently. I really didnt want to but my buddy wanted to me to watch them with him. I had heard they were SJW fests. After watching them I think thats true but it doesnt detract from the quality of the movies. Theyre very good. The force awakens is very good. And Rogue 1 also. What I really liked is what JJ Abrams did by making the new one as faithful to the old ones in terms of plotting, cinematography and back story. I thought it was nostalgic. I really enjoy good sci fi but not geeky stuff like Star Trek (although the new movies are good) or Battlestar Gallactica or Docotor Who but more serious stuff like Blade Runner, Twilight Zone, AI and that. Its the most interesting genre of storytelling I think. Thats what made the twilight zone the greatest tv show of all time.
Fenoopy said:
They were the most awful things I ever had the displeasure of watching.
GondwanaMan said:
Now that I have 24/7 streaming Netflix I keep telling myself that I’m gonna watch all the new Star Wars movies.
Still hasn’t happened for some reason. I prefer watching the old Twilight Zone, true crime shows and dramas like Mad Men.
The Philosopher said:
I think I would rather get a sex change than watch Get Out or that ridiculous over the top magic negro movie about Robanda inventing the space shuttle.
Hidden Figures I think it was called. Jesus Fucking Christ if you want a carnival mirror example of absurdity thats the movie.
My boss went to see it in the cinema and I had to nod and smile when he said it was a good movie. I mean, the man is from India. No jew brainwashing. Smart guy. And he still; thinks that movie is plausible. Hahahaha. Maybe jimmy is right about indians.
GondwanaMan said:
Hidden Figures was a good movie. What’s wrong with it?
I still need to see Black Panther. I imagine it’ll be the greatest thing EVAR!
The Philosopher said:
Because its putrid.
Bruno said:
It’s possible they overestimate those black women input but it is so important for Black and women to get positive role
Model from the past so that they can project positively in the future and not believe I belong to a group who has done nothing .
So not only it is not putride, but just the opposite, Hidden figures movie is pristine .
The Philosopher said:
I logged into the guardian and they and the brit media are all over the russian assasination of that jew oligarch.
Brings to mind Putin said recently that ((dual citizens))) were interfering in elections in america. Hahahahaha.
Its kind of cool really to be (((aware)))) of how the world really works. [redacted by pp, march 16, 2018]
The Philosopher said:
“Warren convened a meeting of the justices, and presented to them the simple argument that the only reason to sustain segregation was an honest belief in the inferiority of Negroes. Warren further submitted that the Court must overrule Plessy to maintain its legitimacy as an institution of liberty, and it must do so unanimously to avoid massive Southern resistance. He began to build a unanimous opinion.”
What if you have an honest belief that negroes have sub 15 IQ points and 15% more testosterone on average and are much more along the schiz spectrum leading to ADD and impulsivity issues?
If you have an honest belief in that, I don’t see how you can support Brown vs Board of Education.
“To the argument . . . that a majority may not deprive a minority of its constitutional right, the answer must be made that while this is sound in theory, in the long run it is the majority who will determine what the constitutional rights of the minorities are.”
What jews always do is say the minority, by definition of being a minority is magical and always deserves jus soli type rights because they ‘need’ to be defended. Logically its a completely garbage premise. It doesn’t even make sense. It basically implies all inmates should run the asylum.
[redacted by pp, march 16, 2018]
The Philosopher said:
Jim Crow laws were a pragmatic way of managing race relations in my opinion. Nobody would say they are ‘christian’ or ‘jewish morality based’, and ‘just’, but they took the reality of biology and managed it.
Now we live in la la land where people are forced to hire blacks instead of whites, AA for colleges (except for jews), and Oscarssowhite nonsense.
[redacted by pp, march 16, 2018]
Fenoopy said:
We don’t know if blacks are genetically inferior (in intellect, they may be superior in some physical aspects) as a fact. They may well be, but it’s dishonest to say you know for certain.
GondwanaMan said:
If average black IQ could be brought up to at least 100 or so, they would be the most superior race in every way (except maybe female attractiveness, and that’s debatable).
I actually think that scares some white nationalist types.
Fenoopy said:
All strongmen are Icelandic types, and the fastest man in the world in the 1500m is Berber. The fastest men in the 100m are Jamaican. It’s wrong to say Blacks would be superior in every way also.
The Philosopher said:
I am a humanitarian. The problem is some people are more human than others.
Its true though. All this hbd stuff is basically eugenics made modern. In the sense that it argues that some races of man are more suited to civilisation than others. And some races of man need to be parasites on others to thrive. Its natural law for me. [redacted by pp, march 16, 2018]
I always have gotten along with blacks in my personal life. My best friend was black in college. Same as in London. But Im not retarded to think these guys are representative of blacks as a whole.
If you brought in jim crow here, you could say well youd never of met them. But then I would say, a lot less peoples lives would be ruined. You never meet the person that lost his place in college to an AA hire. You never hear about the rape victim. You never see the money whites spend on blacks to keep up the charade.
The Philosopher said:
There was an interesting civil rights case last year where a white woman argued affirmative action was unconstitutional. Its obvious its unconstitutional.
The original constitution made blacks 2/3s of a white.
If you want to go by constitutions, thats what it says. But only aspies care about the constitution.
What really matters is natural law. What Nietsche calls ‘The Struggle of the Will’. Thats the only law that will ever matter in this life.
name redacted by pp, march 17, 2018 said:
affirmative action is obviously unconstitutional. the only explanation for why some justices don’t see this is that they’re stupid or (((stupid))).
GondwanaMan said:
I honestly wouldn’t want to see class-based affirmative action either. If you were born in America, regardless of class/race, you had more than enough opportunities.
However, I would like to see a strict reduction in the amount of immigrants allowed into US colleges. It should be 10% of what it is now.
The Philosopher said:
“Nietzsche uses the will to power to explain both ascetic, life-denying impulses and strong, life-affirming impulses in the European tradition,[clarification needed] as well as both master and slave morality. He also finds the will to power to offer much richer explanations than utilitarianism’s notion that all people really want to be happy, or the Platonist’s notion that people want to be unified with the Good.”
100% correct. The will to power is stronger than the will to life. This explains suice bombers, people engaging in battle, and so on.
The desire to dominate.
In America, the native americans lost to the europeans. The blacks came over as slaves. Then the jews convinced the europeans to make the slaves equal to the owners. Then the jews ruled the europeans. Now the europeans are taking back control. Always a struggle of the will.
If there was a ‘humane’ resolution, everyone would have been kicked out from native american lands. Natives dont want blacks there any more than whites.
name redacted by pp, march 17, 2018 said:
nietztsche was a loser. he died from tertiary syphilis.
The Philosopher said:
For most of human history most people thought it was morally ok for slavery to exist. For a caste system based on hereditary birth to exist etc etc. Then the slave morality came and said: “slaves deserve ‘justice’. In natural law, the only way for slaves to get justice is to free themselves. And thats what the slaves did in the end actually.
The Philosopher said:
Because of people like Marx and Paine. Not because of people who invented steam engines and microsoft excel.
GondwanaMan said:
Do you believe technology or institutions are the main factors behind human progress? Or some other factors?
The Philosopher said:
I believe people are.
instant gush of wetness to my panties said:
pill means that the social changes wrought by technical people are unintentional.
one of marx’s many great ideas is that the state of techne determines politics and everything else which isn’t techne.
everything is downstream from production of necessities.
pumpkinperson said:
When i made my list of the most influential people, i considered limiting it to only the intentionally influential, but decided not to since that’s too narrow a definition of influence
GondwanaMan said:
A belief in heredity, divine rights, and the acceptibilty of slavery is the main thing that separates low Honesty-Humility/highly sociopathic cultures from high HH cultures.
It’s ironic that whites are most associated with being enslavers given that they came up with the Enlightenment.
It’s also ironic that the scientific culture spawned by the Enlightenment has led to psychometrics and behavioral genetics, which mostly justifies what pre-Enlightenment/sociopathic people knew all along!
The Philosopher said:
To be fair, diversity is a natural law. Its obvious the designer wants diversity of life, of culture of ….law. So you can make a snide argument that affirmative action is merely diversity expressing itself.
You get into these non-sensical arguments then that transgender children are natural law expressing itself through diversity. Its obvious there is a house view on ‘feminine’ or ‘fucked up’ cultures. They don’t last long.
I bet a jewish philosopher would try that sneaky argument.
The Philosopher said:
That ann margaret photoshop reminds me of that argument people made that people only find white women attractive because the media promotes it and blacks have low self esteem blah blah. There was a study done with children and dolls and the black girls picked white dolls to play with. So i guess the 4 year old girls were also brainwashed by the gentile evil media. Such a joke.
The Philosopher said:
Jews always project. When i was in college youd keep hearing arguments that blacks were poor because of gentile media portrayals or the media made women have low self esteem.
THE MEDIA IS 100% CONTROLLED BY JEWS!!!
Another thing the really riles me.
Fenoopy said:
I saw this earlier. Take a look, Philosopher. Now take a look at the Chinese recruitment video.
AHAHAHA
ian smith said:
that spain was the richest and most powerful country on earth for 150 years peepee has dismissed as noise…she thinks spaniards really are dumber than brits and germans.
another fact peepee must explain is why italy was still the center of european civilization/the most advanced all the way to galileo.
galileo died in 1642.
yet the western roman empire died in 476.
nw europeans are to sw europeans what china people are to europeans?
ian smith said:
italians invented accounting and banking long after the western roman empire was dead.
if densen or flushton were alive in 1600 he would conclude that italians were the smartest people on earth. by a lot.
[redacted by pp, march 17, 2018]
pumpkinperson said:
The genetic IQ gap between Northern & Southern Europe is likely too small to expect it to predict history
RaceRealist said:
‘The genetic IQ gap’ between North and South Italy is a fantasy in Richard Lynn’s head.
The Philosopher said:
Race, pumpkin proved scientifically southern europeans and inferior to canadians. Why can’t you respect the scientific process?
neanderthal on your face said:
but peepee is right that history is important.
so in the early 20th c when most italian americans’ ancetsors arrived in the US they might’ve been termed “shitholers”.
but in 1400 england was a shithole compared to italy.
when the irish arrived they would’ve been correctly described as “shitholers”, but today the RoI is richer than england.
still waiting on haiti and the central african republic.
Name redacted by pp, march 17, 2018 said:
verbal IQ tests don’t test verbal reasoning enough. they test more the “sponge” ability, the so many facts ability, verbal long term memory.
verbal reasoning is a thing and it’s a thing which can;t be replaced by non-verbal reasoning.
[redacted by pp, march 17, 2018]
pumpkinperson said:
If Mug of Pee were willing to be tested by email i could administer some beautiful verbal tests
Results 100% confidential & 100% transparent (all answers explained after the test done)
instant gush of wetness to my panties said:
you obviously don;t understand what i mean by “verbal reasoning”.
the old GRE analytic section and the LSAT are examples.
asian americans score lower than white americans on the LSAT.
pumpkinperson said:
Partly because they don’t speak English & because southeast Asians & Pacific Islanders are dragging them down
Verbal IQ is actually several different abilities. So is performance IQ, which is why the later editions of the WISC dumped that dichotomy for a five factor model.
LSAT would probably correlate with wechsler verbal comprehension index + working memory index
GondwanaMan said:
LSAT should have a grammar section like the GMAT verbal and analogies like the old SAT.
It would then be the most complete and greatest Verbal test known to man. Such a test would be perfect for native English speakers because it doesn’t require background knowledge in math, and would weed out NE Asians and other desirable from college (although it would probably increase Jewish representation.)
GondwanaMan said:
I meant *other “un-desirables”
Name redacted by pp, march 17, 2018 said:
another FACT…
south asians are similar to europeans “cognitively”, but physically they’re even worse than ne asians. they suck at sports.
he-man could be european or black. any other race would be ridiculous.
Mike1600 said:
Say you are age 37. If you get a full scale IQ score based on comparisons of adults at your chronological age from your psychologist, will it be much different than if you were compared to the standard 20-35 year old reference group?
pumpkinperson said:
Probably not
Mike1600 said:
So if he tested at 147 based on his age, he should still be Triple Nine Society worthy?
pumpkinperson said:
If one is 99.9% with respect to age 37, they might be a touch below with respect to 20-35, but IQ is calculated with reference to one’s own age & TNS is based on IQ
Mike1600 said:
Being new to IQ scores and also having zero training in statistics, subtest scatter really confuses me. For example on my test, I scored 95th percentile on Matrix Reasoning and 91st percentile on Block Design but 99.6th percentile on information. Does this mean that my crystallized intelligence is high, but fluid intelligence has lost ground, perhaps due to age? And why am I 99.9 percentile overall? Are the forces of regression to the mean at work here?
pumpkinperson said:
It’s not nessecarily crystallized > fluid, could be verbal > non-verbal
Full-scale IQ is often more extreme than the individual sub-scores because while only 1% of the population can score in the top 1% on any one subtest, less than 0.1% can average that high on many subtests.
Mike1600 said:
I see. So if I’ve got a VCI score of 145 and a PRI score of 131, the higher VCI score would indicate that I would be a fantastic writer and the lower PRI score would indicate I could be an above average mechanical engineer based on verbal being greater than non-verbal?
Another sticking point for me is since I have a FSIQ of 147, couldn’t I be fantastic at both careers even though PRI is only 131?
pumpkinperson said:
Even people who are brilliant overall can be bad at specific jobs if they have a lot of subtest scatter. Engineering is probably best predicted by your PRI and WMI
And being a good writer requires more than just verbal intelligence but also certain personality traits & sometimes mental illness helps too
ian smith said:
verbal reasoning is the ability to win debates legitimately, not by bullshitting.
Mike1600 said:
So with a VCI of 145, what careers would be best suited for me? Other scores were: PRI 131, WMI 136 and PSI 137.
pumpkinperson said:
Odds are you’ll do best in a verbal field but that could mean anything from writing, to law, to academia, to standup comedy to talk show hosting to sales to politics.
Much depends on your personality & interests. What are you passionate about? The average IQ in most fields is much lower than even your weakest areas so what is the field you would most enjoy?
instant gush of wetness to my panties said:
if verbal reasoning were part of IQ tests women would have significantly lower IQs than men.
there’s a logic faculty, like sight. women don;t have it.
sad!
pumpkinperson said:
I’m sure there are a lot of things men suck at which are also not measured by the WAIS.
An IQ test is just a sample of intelligence. No test can measure all of it.
Mike1600 said:
I’ve been trying to figure out my passion for the past 10 years, stuck in a quarter life crisis so to speak. I keep bouncing from career to career.
I’m definitely introverted so that rules out standup comedy, sales, talkshow hosting and politics.
My interest follow an ADD pattern. One month its options trading, then next it’s esports, then onto web development, get bored and move onto trying to find Forrest Fenn’s treasure full time. Lately, I’ve been consuming Jordan Peterson lectures and your blog non-stop.
Fenoopy said:
I was always convinced Americans didn’t land on the moon. I’m not a paranoid Berber at all (constantly repeating this is a subtle joke).
LOADED said:
I’ve noticed Berbers to be extremely paranoid as well, to add to Lyrions observation. The y also have extreme feelings of grandiosity.
LOADED said:
Just from observation though. Like one “friend” continuously thought people were lying to him about different scenarios. And his level of grandiosity was tremendous. Actually, as an ex Muslim I would say a religion like that selects for grandiosity, paranoia, and other negative traits. It is an extremely militant religion. I’ve noticed that non Muslims from the same countries seem to be in the same temperament as Europeans.
Lyrion said:
“I’ve noticed that non Muslims from the same countries seem to be in the same temperament as Europeans.”
So like Fenoopy you think the main cause of these personality differences is Islam ?
Fenoopy said:
I can be quite aggressive compared to a suburban white man, but given I live in London, much less aggressive than the local chavs.
England is very white, so the poorest, most violent underclass (just like in Poland) is actually white, not a minority.
I think most honor cultures mold people into paranoid, egotistical types. The UFO and government conspiracy culture in the south of the USA is no exception. Berber honor culture is very similar to southern American honor culture.
That’s an Arab woman (Berbers are far more liberal) but you get the idea. I’m not Muslim and neither am I trying to compare religions, just making a comparison between cultures.
Fenoopy said:
To be honest, it probably is to do mostly with culture and upbringing.
Fenoopy said:
What’s the difference?
Why’re the Algerians ‘inferior humanoids’ according to the first comment, but the English and Russians are far worse?
Fenoopy said:
Perhaps this video, also in France, is a better comparison?
Lyrion said:
What about Pakistanis in England ? UK is multicultural just like France and the US it’s not anymore a “very white country”.
Lyrion said:
“Berber honor culture is very similar to southern American honor culture.”
Southern Americans are nowhere near the level of “clannishness” of Berbers.
Fenoopy said:
Well, maybe so for Berbers in France or outside of their countries, they tend to be clannish. The same can be said about the French Pied-Noir in Algeria during the 1950’s however, they were very clannish among themselves. I think most foreigners in other countries are like that, Chinese, Yemeni, Algerians, Polish people. Only West Africans aren’t, perhaps due to their culture. They don’t seem to care about blood or family that much. Or each other, for that matter. Ethiopians are very clannish however (specifically Habesha).
Fenoopy said:
Pakistanis are small and have slender builds (in comparison to larger races such as Whites, Blacks, Berbers etc). They aren’t physically threatening or violent, though in London they are known for acid attacks and terrorism. They aren’t really a threat on the streets however.
Lyrion said:
Because Berbers aren’t clannish in their own countries ?
Fenoopy said:
Not to my knowledge. Kabyle stick with Kabyle, Chaoui with Chaoui. In the same way the Scottish stick with the Scottish and the Welsh stick with the Welsh and the English with the English, despite the fact they’re technically all part of Britain.
Outside of Algeria though, for sure. If I am Kabyle I can get a job in Canada for example, simply by being Kabyle. There are a lot of Kabyle business owners in the technology field. It’s nepotism similar to Jewish nepotism.
Lyrion said:
We don’t have the same understanding of what “clannish” mean if you think English are just as clannish as Berbers.
From my understanding Berbers are one of the most clannish population in the world while English are probably the least.
Fenoopy said:
We probably don’t. If you mean in-group collectivism, then yes, they are the highest in the world.
English are actually medium, Scandinavians are the least.
Someone with phoenixx said:
English is very clannish but the difference is that today we have in Europe a new ”religious” division just like what happened during the battle between catholicism and protestantism. Leftists are extremely tribal at ideological sense, tribal is not just about race, it’s about anything can make people glued together.
Lyrion said:
English are much closer to Scandinavians than they are to Berbers.
No way they are halfway between Berbers and Scandinavians in clannish (tribal, sociopathic) behaviors.
Fenoopy said:
The Portuguese 5.51 and Berbers 5.87.
Scandinavians are 3.53 and Englishmen 4.08.
French like Lyrion are 4.37, I mistook the English for being in the middle, it’s actually the French, which makes sense given they’re half Mediterranean half Nordic.
Austria is a strange outlier being 4.85 despite being Nordic.
We can conclude that the differences between Portuguese and Berbers in in-group collectivism are very subtle but they are there and are about equal to the differences between Scandinavians and Englishmen. Very subtle but Englishmen are slightly more in-group oriented than Scandinavians.
Lyrion said:
Where do these figures come from ? How was this measured ?
Fenoopy said:
From an in-group collectivism study, I’ll find it later as I’m busy right now.
Lyrion said:
Now that you are less busy can you find it ?
Fenoopy said:
I can’t find it, I have to wade through a million papers and it’s one of the obscure ones. I took a screenshot, though I should have saved the page to favorites (I wasn’t seriously debating human intelligence at the time).
Fenoopy said:
https://books.google.fr/books/about/Culture_leadership_and_organizations.html?id=_KsXEJQg9pkC&redir_esc=y&hl=fr
Never mind, I found it.
“My own experience is that Muslims don’t understand our Western way of trying to handle conflicts through dialogue. They are raised in a culture with very clear outer authorities and consequences. Western tradition using compromise and inner reflection as primary means of handling outer and inner conflicts is seen as weak in the Muslim culture. To a great extent they simply don’t understand this softer and more humanistic way of handling social affairs.
Expressions of anger and threats are probably the quickest way to lose one’s face in Western culture. In discussions, those who lose their temper have automatically lost, … In the Muslim culture, aggressive behavior, especially threats, are generally seen to be accepted, and even expected as a way of handling conflicts and social discrepancies. If a Muslim does not respond in a threatening way to insults or social irritation, he is seen as weak, as someone who cannot be depended upon and loses face. ”
Future orientation study.
Only Italians beat us for living in the moment.
Strangely I plan ahead extensively but definitely live very much in the moment. Hard to explain, I’m unconcerned with the future (emotionally) but I do plan very meticulously.
Lyrion said:
Why subsaharan african countries are never on these type of studies ? Seems weird Egypt is higher than China btw.
Are these studies (the in-group collectivism study and the future orientation one) based on surveys ? There are some surprising results even if the general pattern is not far from what we could have expected.
Fenoopy said:
Singapore and China are the same race (to my knowledge) but are completely different in culture.
Hot cultures all seem to be in the moment.
Fenoopy said:
And you French bastards are right down there with the other Mediterraneans. Not surprising, really.
That said, we did pirate and rape a lot of women from Savoy and Provence, so it goes both ways.
Fenoopy said:
“Seems weird Egypt is higher than China btw.”
Why? China is a shithole ten times worse than Egypt where people work for $1 a day and there are suicide nets erected around every factory. Just a very powerful shithole by weight of population.
Lyrion said:
You have to be careful with survey-based studies. You get results like Subsaharan Africans being the highest in conscientiousness and East Asians the lowest simply because Asians tended to rate themselves as lazy compared to the people they lived with (other Asians). You see the opposite for Africans, hence the results.
Lyrion said:
Egypt HDI of 0.69 is lower than China’s of 0.73.
Fenoopy said:
I think it was RR that wrote a large article about Chinese fabrication of their statistics.
Lyrion said:
It might apply to Egypt too though.
Fenoopy said:
Maybe, though don’t worry, I don’t take any of these studies as fact given they’re not real science. It’s just speculation and (questionable) statistics.
Fenoopy said:
A video sponsored by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Advocating helping Africans, I’m sure Philosopher hates this.
The Philosopher said:
And 7 times as many rapists.
Someone with phoenixx said:
The best ways to start to help africa:
[redacted by pp, march 19, 2018]
significant familiar planning;
accept all known facts about african capabilities and temperament;
eugenics [and not the simplistic type most eugenists believe];
avoid industrialization because there are other ways to create a great society without exterminating and or treating natural environment as enemy.
the first one Melinda&Bill never will do.
The second one is possible but seems they are expecting [deliberately or not] that most africans themselves will stop to have big families by nothing or by ”abstract’ arguments many of them are not fullly capable to achieve while most of east asians and europeans clearly stop to have big families because they are forced by forged circumstances…
The fourth one is possibly impossible, the plan is to kill the intelligence of the smartest race [white] to reduce them exactly to african or similar lower levels of intelligence///freedom///independence.
The last one is the second more possible to be .
Fenoopy said:
You have sub-human IQ if you genuinely believe whites are the smartest race.
Someone with phoenixx said:
Whites have on avg the higher IQ of east asians and the motivation-driven of subsaharian africans and in terms of achievements ”’they”’ has been incomparable specially with the modern science and its application [industrialization, technology, medicine, globalization… despising the very bad ”colateral” effects]. Yes, Fenoocky, most people here know you have two digits.
Fenoopy said:
Go back to Stormfront.
Lyrion said:
Fenoopy, you don’t get to tell people to go back to stormfront if they don’t share your contempt for white people.
Someone with phoenixx said:
Fenucky was rejected in stomfront… lol
feelin’
Someone with phoenixx said:
You’re a unnaceptable non-abortion, sad.
Fenoopy said:
I don’t have contempt for white people, I like them quite a lot. I don’t like people that are deluded white supremacists. He’s claiming white people are the smartest race despite all evidence to the contrary. He’s immune to rational argument so what’s left for him besides going back to Stormfront and declaring the original Chinese were Nordics?
Someone with phoenixx said:
You’re confusing wise and smart or quality and quantity. Whites has been, at least in collective terms, smarter but it doesn’t mean they has been the wisest ones, indeed, otherwise or at similar levels of stupidity&ignorance to the other demographies.
Bruno said:
Does anyone knows about natural hypnotic resistance ? I don’t have insomnia but for traveling confort, I ve tried several times taking very strong hypnotic (up to 8 tablets of Valium in one hour) and they don’t have any sleeping effect on me ? Now I remember that a surgeon told me when I was 12 that I was almost impossible to sedate. I was looking for the cause but their is nothing except people who have been acccustomed to those drugs (wich is not my case). If someone has any knowledge about this field ?