[Note from Pumpkin Person, Feb 6, 2018: The following is a guest article by Race Realist and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pumpkin Person. Out of respect for the author, please try to keep all comments on topic. Conversations naturally evolve, but at least start on topic]
We’re only one month into the new year and I may have come across the most ridiculous paper I think I’ll read all year. The paper is titled Knowledge of resting heart rate mediates the relationship between intelligence and the heartbeat counting task. They state that ‘intelligence’ is related to heartbeat counting task (HCT), and that HBC is employed as a measure of interoception—which is a ‘sense’ that helps one understand what is going on in their body, sensing the body’s internal state and physiological changes (Craig, 2003; Garfinkel et al, 2015).
Though, the use of HCT as a measure of interoception is controversial (Phillips et al, 1999; Brener and Ring, 2016) mostly because it is influenced by prior knowledge of one’s resting heart rate. The concept of interoception has been around since 1906, with the term first appearing in scientific journals in the 1942 (Ceunen, Vlaeyen, and Dirst, 2016). It’s also interesting to note that interoceptive accuracy is altered in schizophrenics (who had an average IQ of 101.83; Ardizzi et al, 2016).
Murphy et al (2018) undertook two studies: study one demonstrated an association with ‘intelligence’ and HCT performance whereas study 2 demonstrated that this relationship is mediated by one’s knowledge of resting heart rate. I will briefly describe the two studies then I will discuss the flaws (and how stupid the idea is that ‘intelligence’ partly is responsible for this relationship).
In both studies, they measured IQ using the Wechsler intelligence scales, specifically the matrix and vocabulary subtests. In study 1, they had 94 participants (60 female, 33 female, and one ‘non-binary’; gotta always be that guy eh?). In this study, there was a small but positive correlation between HCT and IQ (r = .261).
In study 2, they sought to again replicate the relationship between HCT and IQ, determine how specific the relationship is, and determine whether higher IQ results in more accurate knowledge of one’s heart rate which would then improve their scores. They had 134 participants for this task and to minimize false readings they were asked to forgo caffeine consumption about six hours prior to the test.
As a control task, participants were asked to complete a timing accuracy test (TAT) in which they were asked to count seconds instead of heartbeats. The correlation with HCT performance and IQ was, again, small but positive (r = -.211) with IQ also being negatively correlated with the inaccuracy of resting heart rate estimations (r = .363), while timing accuracy was not associated with the inaccuracy of heart rate estimates, IQ or HCT. In the end, knowledge of average resting heart rate completely mediated the relationship between IQ and HCT.
This study replicated another study by Mash et al (2017) who show that their “results suggest that cognitive ability moderates the effect of age on IA differently in autism and typical development.” This new paper then extends this analysis showing that it is fully mediated by prior knowledge of average resting heart rate, and this is key to know.
This is simple: if one has prior knowledge of their average resting heart rate and their fitness did not change from the time they were aware of their average resting heart rate then when they engage in the HCT they will then have a better chance of counting the number of beats in that time frame. This is very simple! There are also other, easier, ways to estimate your heart rate without doing all of that counting.
Heart rate (HR) is a strong predictor of cardiorespiratory fitness. So it would follow that those who have prior knowledge of their HRs would more fitness savvy (the authors don’t really say too much about the subjects if there is more data when the paper is published in a journal I will revisit this). So Murphy et al (2018) showed that 1) prior knowledge of resting heart rate (RHR) was correlated—however low—with IQ while IQ was negatively correlated with the inaccuracy of RHR estimates. So the second study replicated the first and showed that the relationship was specific (HCT correlated with IQ, not any other measure).
The main thing to keep in mind here is that those who had prior knowledge of their RHR scored better on the task; I’d bet that even those with low IQs would score higher on this test if they, too, had prior knowledge of their HRs. That’s, really, what this comes down to: if you have prior knowledge of your RHR and your physiological state stays largely similar (body fat, muscle mass, fitness, etc) then when asked to estimate your heart rate by, say, using the radial pulse method (placing two fingers along the right side of the arm in line just above the thumb), they, since they have prior knowledge, will more accurately guess their RHR, if they had low or high IQs, regardless.
I also question the use of the HCT as a method of interoception, in line with Brener and Ring (2016: 2) who write “participants with knowledge about heart rate may generate accurate counting scores without detecting any heartbeat sensations.” So let’s say that HCT is a good measure of interoception, then it still remains to be seen whether or not manipulating subjects’ HRs would change the accuracy of the analyses. Other studies have shown that testing HR after one exercises, people underestimate their HR (Brener and Ring, 2016: 2). This, too, is simple. To get your max HR after exercise, subtract your age from 220. So if you’re 20 years old, your max HR would be 200, and after exercise, if you know you’re body and how much energy you have expended, then you will be able to estimate better with this knowledge.
Though, you would need to have prior knowledge, of course, of these effects and knowledge of these simple formulas to know about this. So, in my opinion, this study only shows that people who have a higher ‘IQ’ (more access to cultural tools to score higher on IQ tests; Richardson, 2002) are also more likely to, of course, go to the doctor for checkups, more likely to exercise and, thusly, be more likely to have prior knowledge of their HR and score better than those with lower IQs and less access to these types of facilities where they would have access to prior knowledge and get health assesments to have prior knowledge like those with higher IQs (which are more likely to be middle class and have more access to these types of facilities).
I personally don’t think that HCT is a good measure of interoception due to the criticisms brought up above. If I have prior knowledge of my HR (average HR for a healthy person is between 50-75 BPM depending on age, sex, and activity (along with other physiological components) (Davidovic et al, 2013). So, for example,if my average HR is 74 (I just checked mine last week and I checked it in the morning, and averaged 3 morning tests one morning was 73, the other morning was 75 and the third was 74 for an average of 74 BPM), and I had this prior knowledge before undergoing this so-called HCT interoception task, I would be better equipped to score better than one who does not have the same prior knowledge of his own heart rate as I do.
In conclusion, in line with Brener and Ring (2016), I don’t think that HCT is a good measure for interoception, and even if it were, the fact that prior knowledge fully mediates this relationship means that, in my opinion, other methods of interoception need to be found and studied. The fact that if someone has prior knowledge of their HR can and would skew things—no matter their ‘IQ’—since they know that, say, their HR is in the average range (50-75 BPM). I find this study kind of ridiculous and it’s in the running for most ridiculous things I have read all year. Prior knowledge (both with RHR and PEHR; post-exercise heart rate) of these variables will have you score better and, since IQ is a measure of social class then with the small correlation between HCT and IQ found by Murphy et al (2018), some (but most is not) is mediated by IQ, which is just largely tests for skills found in a narrow social class, so it’s no wonder that they corrrlate—however low—and the reason why the relationship was found is obvious, especially if you have some prior knowledge of this field.
Correlations aren’t science.
correlation vs causation, how to distinguish when there are so many variables? can any “social science” do it?
No because most ‘social science’ assumes that correlations are causation (Lynn is a huge proponent of this, especially with his explanations for ‘Italian IQ’, especially if it fits with what they’re pushing.
Does Lynn assume correlation equals causation? My sense is he just gives his opinion of what’s probably causing the correlation which i think is okay as long as folks understand it’s just a hypothesis that still needs to be tested.
He largely implies so, especially with his ‘Italian IQ’ data in which all correlations are interpeted as causal. From this paper:
All correlations between such measures and socio-economic or public health
variables are viewed as evidence of direct causal relationships. In all cases, causality is assumed to be in the direction that supports Lynn’s doctrine when it would be equally valid to argue that socio-economic and public health differences cause differences in the performance of IQ tests. In addition to these fundamental logical and statistical errors the present report records numerous other data processing, methodological, and conceptual errors.
http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s1355-0306(03)71776-6
Some people have O interoception ability. I have no imagination. No memory (neither recall nor future projection). No specific treatment of familiar people or objects. Maybe all mental tasks performance are correlated, but’ it doesn’t mean that mental ontologies are. You could achieve results through different means.
It could even be the opposite, Walton found that 15% of academy scientists never had an imagination …
Btw heartbeat counting is a detail in interoception .
I am astonished by people who don’t feel the hot or cold water when they drink through their’ throat at least .
Heartbeat counting comes down to training for it. You don’t even need to count all of your beats in one minute. You can just count your heart beats up until say 15 seconds then multiply by four. HCT isn’t a good measure of interoception (as I cited) since prior knowledge of one’s heartbeat skews results.
participants with knowledge about heart rate may generate accurate counting scores without detecting any heartbeat sensations.
Its not a good measure of interoception. To be honest, Interoception seems kind of “new age-y’ to me.
Regarding estimating heart beat after exercise, say I’m 20 years old. I’d just subtract 220 from 20 then that’s my max HR and then estimate how intense I did the exercise and estimate how much energy I expended during the task and I’d be close to my actual HR after said task. This stuff is simple if you know what you’re doing, you don’t even need prior knowledge.
“To be honest, Interoception seems kind of “new age-y’ to me.”
Agreed, I’ve never really heard the term before, and it’s description sounds like some idealistic new age woo.
“I have no imagination. No memory (neither recall nor future projection). ”
What do you mean by that? Because if you had no memory you wouldn’t be able to form sentences.
my experience with this is interesting. it’s believed that blood pressure can’t be sensed. high bp is sometimes called “the silent killer”. it may be that people who eat at kfc can’t sense when theirs is high. but i can sense when mine is. every time.
“it’s believed that blood pressure can’t be sensed.”
It can’t but you can get a good reading through your heart beats. (Though if one’s arteries are clogging in certain spots, can they feel that? I’m not aware and I’ve never come across anyone telling me that in my work.)
i’m much better at sensing my bp than my bpm.
put me in the outlier pile.
i know this because i have for years kept a bp measuring device. many. the bulb and the cuff wear out quickly and i have to buy a whole new machine. it’s cheaper than the parts.
my guess is it’s a combination of a sense of peripheral perfusion and “butterflies in the stomach” and greater cardiac output.
but there’s absolutely no doubt. i know when it’s high, and i know when it’s low.
I ate KFC today. Finger lickin good.
LOL I’m literally carrying KFC right now as i head home. I try never eat meat for ethical reasons but their butter bread is to die for, and it may kill you. LOL
Pumpkin is eating KFC because I suggested it the other day. Amazing how psychology works.
Right now im eating a chinese take away. BBQ spare ribs and rice. Fantastic. Since I’ve lost my mind I dont care anymore about my diet. I used to be a bit like RR…I even did an online dietician course to brush up in nutrition.
I can safely say controlling your diet is 60-70% of controlling your weight but to build muscle you absolutely cant avoid the gym.
I havent worked out in a year and ive lost a lot of muscle.
“never eat meat for ethical reasons”
What’s unethical about eating animals exactly? Are all carnivores unethical? Or perhaps only omnivores, given they can eat rabbit-food instead? You’ll make an exception for KFC? Perhaps PP really is a Blasian lesbian after-all, Mugabe.
Ever had the KFC buffett?
but i can sense when mine is. every time
More evidence that IQ & interoception are not positively correlated
“More evidence that IQ & interoception are not positively correlated”
There is evidence in the cited paper:
As predicted, a small but significant relationship between IQ and HCT performance was observed (r(92)=.261, p=.011). (Though I question the use of HCT due to prior knowledge and the fact that the individual doesn’t even have to ‘sense’ his heartbeats to get an accurate assessment.)
Though I think that there are huge problems with the ‘IQ and interoception’ argument. Mainly due to prior knowledge. That’s the biggest key. You can also ‘train’ yourself to ‘feel’ your heartbeats, like on the carotid or radial artery.
All joking aside, in theory there should be at least some positive correlation between IQ and interoception since all cognitive abilities are positively correlated according to the concept of g.
But perhaps interoception’s not a cognitive ability, but a sensory ability.
I cannot feel my heartbeat
It is an odd feeling when it happens.
Can you feel your pulse? Check on your radial or carotid artery.
i lost on one trade, because i was stupid.
i feel sorry for the guy at proshares who couldn;t grok my stupidity. maybe it was my accent.
after making bank with VIXY i bought SVXY.
i bought it at $71 at 3:56 pm EST on monday.
today it’s $12.
can pill explain how this is possible…and not a shafting?
it’s tricky.
but even with that loss i made money on monday.
i bought VIXY on friday because my other broker wouldn’t let me trade on unsettled funds. otherwise i’d just’ve bought SPY puts.
the proshares fund only adjusted its margin:futures position once a day at the end of the day, 4:15pm EST.
for example: going from 98% loss to 99% loss is a 50% loss.
you have to be a regular of this blog’s habitat to appreciate the joke. I do. Thx.
KFC is philo’s delikatessen.
see. it’s still not working.
this was originally posted by swanknasty.
maybe it’s just my side that doesn’t work.
just click: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI7FoCHJ01k
LotB is claiming he’s a pedophile. but at least a straight pedo. the guy condemns himself. why?
it’s one thing to be a pedo and another to broadcast it on a blog.
he’s a self-righteous pedo?
gross.
and people wonder why 90% of the #metoo villains are jews or why laci green is half iranian.
europeans are anti-sex.
I’d like Race to mention which black authors he thinks are credible.
Any who provide sound and valid logical arguments.
no heterosexual blasian woman has ever turned down the offer of a four way with three sexy white men.
concluson: peepee is a lesbian.
No heterosexual woman would have a four way with your short legged self.
I can feel my pulse in any point of my body without touching, the easiest place to be conscious of it being the wrist, perhaps due to the arteries and nerves being tight along the tunnel. I’m also aware of blood pressure like Mugabe, through a feeling of quite literally, pressure. Low blood pressure feels like a very faint pins and needles, increasingly intense depending on how low the blood pressure is.
The two best known artery points for pulse are the carotid and radial artery. Carotid being on your keck and radial being on your wrist. I can see how someone would ‘feel’ their blood pressure raising, but I doubt that it’s actually true. It’s probably in your head. (Also since BP and HR are linked if you feel your HR raise then your BP probably is too.)
I don’t mean it in regard to my entire body, but for individual limbs. I’ll be very aware that there is less blood in any particular limb, for example, even if only by a little. I doubt this is the clinical definition of blood pressure, but that’s what I took it to mean. I don’t know very much about the human body at all.
When I think of how far we have come since Selma, only for articles like this to appear. It makes me sick.
Watching this dating show now and the guy brought a guitar to the date to serenade the woman. Oh cring-eh.
Pumpkin did the same thing on one of his dates.
Pumpkin,
I’m curious whether Weschler Tests are more accurate than ravens. And if they are, to what degree? If you wrote a post on this I think many would enjoy it.
I once asked Rushton that very question
Well what did he say
i’ll write a brief article answering your question later this week
They both don’t test ‘intelligence’. The Raven is the most enculturated test of them all as a matter of fact.
Lol I don’t really care what they measure. The characteristics it might measure could be fucking artistic ability, for all I care. I’m just interested in it’s statistical significance and it’s correlation to life outcomes.
“correlation to life outcomes”
Grades at universities have a low relationship to long-term job performance (r = .05 for 6 or more years after graduation) despite the fact that cognitive skills are highly related to job performance (Roth, et al. 1996). In addition, they found that this relationship between grades and job performance has been lower for the more recent studies.”
https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1151&context=marketing_papers
And to see the the correlation between job performance and IQ is low, about .2 see
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4557354/
How is ravens the most enculturated?
lol, are you an actual ancom?
fuck no
Remember that korean commenter that kept calling pumpkin dear leader. Man that guy was kooky.
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP! I’M GOING INTO LABOUR!
push, push, push
Oh my God what happened?
I don’t know but if this fucking Paki doesn’t get me to a hospital soon, I’m going to have my baby in the fucking taxi. God I hate New York traffic.
is afro the father?
Who do you think you’re fooling? You’re ‘in labor’ yet you come here to tell us this then say that you’re in a cab texting on your phone on a blog to comment while you’re in labor? Hilarious.
i assume trudeau was joking, but i wouldn’t be that surpised if he wasn’t. so was he peepee? you know him better than anyone.
Don’t know. Haven’t seen him and Sophie since the Gordon Lightfoot concert on Canada’s 150th. I was super lucky to get front row seats but was not allowed to bring a guest
But i don’t think he was joking. And that attitude is pretty typical of educated white Canadians
but he’s not educated. according to ben shapiro he has no degrees.
Still attended university & part of educated culture
this confirms what i’ve said. the canadian elite is the world’s dumbest.
i went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out.
Don’t know who’s smarter but Canada’s elite is better than America’s. They were smart enough to oppose the Iraq war, probably cause our elite has more french people. The French don’t fall for neocon bullshit. France opposed the Iraq war too.
Trudeau wasnt joking. If he was joking it would imply hes cynical about feminism. He said what he thought would win plaudits.
Why are you so evil pumpkin?
I’m not the one eating meat. My KFC order was bread only
What if people that ate meat turned out to be the good guys and the people who ate bread turned out to be the bad guys. Would you change your opinion then?
What if people that ate meat turned out to be the good guys and the people who ate bread turned out to be the bad guys. Would you change your opinion then?
Of course not.
You’re a vegan?
Not 100% vegan but trying to avoid eating animals, especially considering the torture some farm animals endure.
Blasian is a manager at KFC.
do you eat fish or crustaceans or brainless oysters and clams?
lions and tigers and wolves have yuge brains and work about 1h per day. their brains have developed due to social selection not because a large brain is required to kill. in a leisure society the sexy people are the ones with big brains.
not eating pigs or cows i can understand, but not eating any animal at all is un-natural for humans.
go beyond paleo to the chimp diet.
chimps eat meat, just not very much.
rr should do a post on the chimp diet.
write an essay (or 10) on this painting and get it.

The very idea of writing an essay about a painting fills me with the worst kind of dread. White people.
When the sun goes down lanterns still shine.
Is an honest man his own light.
Light exists in light, the light of a lantern exists even if it looks like the sun is the only light. It is believed the latter makes no light in the day. Both the sun and the lantern make light not only the sun.
sorry…trump was on the list.
trump and gorbachev are the only people on peepee’s list who should be on it.
trump may be just a bull in a china shop.
but the china needs breaking.
oh boy does it!
Ive heard Trudeau is kind of like Tony Blair i.e. a neocon. Is that true?
No evidence trudeau’s a neocon puppet. Trump on the other hand might be:
Considering trump said we should be friends with russia and not invade syria and the iraq war was dumb i dont think hes a neocon. But like a repubs he has to be pro israel of course.
If he starts a war with Iran, then he’s definitely a neocon puppet