Commenter MeLo asked about the IQs of dolphins. According to Wikipedia, the tucuxi dolphin have an encephalization quotient of 4.56, meaning their brains are 4.56 times bigger than the statistically expected brain size for an animal their size (not to be confused with simple brain size/body size ratio which is a less accurate measure of intelligence).
The EQ of dolphins is larger than that of chimps (2.4) and they have IQs around 35, but smaller than that of Homo erectus (6.0), who likely had an IQ around 55. This suggests an IQ around 45.
To put these numbers in perspective, modern humans have an EQ of 7.61 (far and away the highest in the history of the World, if not the galaxy, and in some countries, our average IQ exceeds 100).
But the fact than IQ as high as perhaps 45 could have evolved independently in a lineage so divergent from humans is strong evidence that evolution is progressive and that intelligence is the ultimate adaptation: an ability to adapt itself.
And indeed, few animals have had to adapt as much cetaceans whose ancestors first adapted to the oceans, then evolved into successful land animals, only to have readapt to ocean life. Few organisms have travelled such a transformative evolutionary path, making dolphins especially evolved, adaptable and intelligent.
Because evolution is so incredibly progressive, I predict that if humans go extinct, and the earth remains intact, within 10 million years there will be another species, at least as intelligent as we are. It seems dolphins have already made it up to IQ 45 and chimps and even crows are not far behind; it’s only a matter of time before one of their descendants hit 100.
Because evolution is progressive and intelligence is perhaps the ultimate adaptation.
Dolphins might be of another lineage, but they still have brains to base an Encephalization Quotient (EQ) on. What about the adaptability of slime molds? Slime molds pulsate and control internal flows, but don’t have neurons as such.
Hey PP, could you estimate the IQ of elefants using the same method ?
98 percent of the elephants neurons are in the frontal cortex iirc. That’s for control of their huge trunk.
What is this suppose to mean?
Most of their neurons aren’t in their cerebral cortex.
Well elephants only have an EQ of 1.75, so I’d expect their IQs to be lower than chimps. I don’t want to be more precise than that because there hasn’t been enough research on non-primate intelligence.
A long time ago I had a debate with a buddy about whether being ‘evil’ makes everything an ‘evil’ person says or does wrong and inadmissible. The example was Hitler. Even if Hitler brought the German economy back from the dead to boom in a fairly closed international system using central planning, everything he did in the war means his economic policies should not be studied.
Fast forward we see Pumpkin writing about head/IQ size. Some people, not me, because I agree with him…but some people are going to argue Pumpkin’s work needs to be shredded based on his groundbreaking research on Sasquatch-Native American miscegenation and Pumpkins excellent diagnosis of the female condition.
The sad fact is that like Hitler, people may be inclined to overlook Pumpkin completely based on him speaking on topics they find jarring. Its an interesting cognitive bias.
If the KKK came out with an undeniable proof of the Zionist world domination gambit, with bulletproof stats, tape recordings of CFR members, a document dump from the BIS, a full list of the inner party and so on…people would dismiss them, not the evidence.
This is where my ad hominem heuristic is a problem. Even a neocon is liable to write a non-lie every few years or so.
Its so safe to play along. Little soldiers in a row. I can GO! With the flow!
Believe it in your head. Believe it your head.
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“This is where my ad hominem heuristic is a problem. Even a neocon is liable to write a non-lie every few years or so.”
It’s stupid imo. Things should always be taken for what’s written, because the opposition can always say the same about you.
Zion’s puppets and ‘centrist’ cuckolds keep saying deporting illegal immigrants is ‘unrealistic’. Just like Trump winning is ‘unrealistic’. Or raising the minimum wage is ‘unrealistic’. Or social security was ‘unrealistic’.
Putting a man on the moon means we have enough brains in the world to deport 12m illegals cheaply and with little side effect.
The problem is that its a racket for gentile elites economically, and Zion socially.
Trumpy nailed the two to the cross on the issue, which Zion didn’t ask about in the debates even though its Trump’s no. 1 issue. Strange.
Where does your hatred come from? Have we not tolerated you unlike all the other races of man?
Tolerance is weakness, which breeds contempt
Blacks are showing their approval of tolerance likewise. #Oscarssonon-magical
“incredibly progressive”
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I don’t think dolphins are that smart. EQ is retarded.
And dolphins don’t use tools.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23896571
You also have to think that there are limits to what you can do in the water, etc.
I believe big cetacean brains evolved for thermoregulation, not intelligence.
Click to access Dolphin_cognition%20_2014.pdf
“Even then, why should EQ work for cetaceans too?
“not to be confused with simple brain size/body size ratio which is a less accurate measure of intelligence”
I didn’t confuse the two. I said, accurately, that certain animals beat put humans.
“To put these numbers in perspective, modern humans have an EQ of 7.61 (far and away the highest in the history of the World, if not the galaxy, and in some countries, our average IQ exceeds 100).”
Lol. We just need something to make us special. I’ve shown that we don’t have bigger brains than gorillas, they have bigger bodies than us. Guess that means nothing.
“Because evolution is so incredibly progressive, I predict that if humans go extinct, and the earth remains intact, within 10 million years there will be another species, at least as intelligent as we are”
Ridiculous. Conjecture. Based on nothing. Pikaia, etc.
Yes dolphins can use tools:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/04/these-genius-dolphins-are-using-sea-sponges-as-tools/361168/
Many other animals use tools too. What makes dolphins special? They aren’t that special in regards to intelligence. Even if they can recognize themselves in the mirror (which has been contested), other animals can do this too. Dolphins aren’t that intelligent.
See the links I’ve provided.
“I don’t think dolphins are that smart. EQ is retarded.
And dolphins don’t use tools.
You also have to think that there are limits to what you can do in the water, etc.
I believe big cetacean brains evolved for thermoregulation, not intelligence.”
Even if dolphins didn’t use tools, claiming they are not intelligent because of it is rather contradictory to your pet theory.
I think you should take a look at this conversation between professor manger and dr marino.
http://www.dolphincommunicationproject.org/index.php/the-latest-buzz/the-dolphin-pod/item/94425-the-dim-dolphin-controversy
Unfortunately i don’t really have the knowledge to dissect manger’s neuroanatomical claims. the most i can say has already been said in the interview:
Thermoregulation could have produced cognitive complexity as a side affect, i don’t think there is any reason to assume that brains have to be anatomically identical to produce a similar level of intelligence between eachother. A similar reaction is hominid spread through eurasia where the brain enlarges due to thermoregulation and intellectual efficiency.
The point of time when oceanic temperature began to decrease coincided with a decrease in body size not an increase in brain size which is the cause of jump in EQ. So I feel Manger’s argument rests on slightly false premises.
Even then, Dolphins show a varying ray of complexity in social behavior see marino’s quotes:
” the life history periods typical of highly cognitive lifestyles are correlated with residual brain size in cetaceans, just as they are in primates and birds. Long lives, long juvenile periods and long periods of adult reproductive time are thought to be favored by what we call “cognitive buffering”, the ability to cope with life threatening situations (famine, predation, fluctuations in climate) with flexible behavior.”
“Richard Connor, Hal Whitehead, and many others have documented complex behaviors such as alloparenting, division of labor, coalition formation, cooperation, and intergenerational transmission of learned behaviors in cetaceans.”
“prodigious body of work by Louis Herman and his colleagues showing that bottlenose dolphins can mentally represent and understand abstract concepts and comprehend an artificial syntactically-based communication system containing thousands of unique sentences composed of symbolic gestural and auditory “words”. The only other species to show this rare capacity are bonobos and humans.”
“bottlenose dolphins are able to process instructions given to them in sequences of symbols (sentences) as long as five words in length, and in which word order, a syntactic device, as well as word meaning or reference, determines the meaning of the sentence as a whole.”
They “understand water physics
They help humans fish
And retrieve lost cellphones(black girl is sexy)
Most interestingly, They are able to communicate with us:
Don’t long finned pilot whales have the most cortical neurons?
Dolphins are easily the second most intelligent animals on the planet. To be fair chimps probably overlap with them in variance.
@ MeLo:
or this one, which should qualify as tool use:
Dude we could go all day, even if the dolphin brain is only big from thermoregulation, intelligence was obviously a side affect.
Very primitive version of tool use, like using sticks or something.
I think the sponge examples are better.
Cuddlefish are very social animals and as a result are smart It just so happens dolphins love to eat them. A perfect example of predator-prey feedback loop for intelligence.
Evidence that genome-culture coevolution is driving evolution in killer whales, forcing speciation.
http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms11693
Fascinating.
Jm8 I’ll reply to your comment tomorrow, but search libgen.io for that paper you had the abstract for. Ceci and Liker also responded to that comment as well.
Melo, I’ll reply to you tomorrow to on both comments.
“A similar reaction is hominid spread through eurasia where the brain enlarges due to thermoregulation and intellectual efficiency.”
There is absolutely no agreement that Eurasians have evolved more efficient brains. That’s actually a minority position advanced by non specialists.
According to Eppig’s study, disease burden accounts for 67% of the variance in IQ scores estimated by Lynn. Let’s say another 10% of variation comes from the fact that Lynn’s data is methodologically weak, and another 10% comes from the fact that disease burden includes conditions that aren’t relevant to the development of intelligence. You’re left with 13% of variance that isn’t due to health. It might be education and culture (test taking skills, cultural bias, motivation…).
http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/2010/08/sickness-makes-you-stupid.html
“There is absolutely no agreement that Eurasians have evolved more efficient brains. ”
I don’t care if there is agreement. Facts are facts. You don’t have to agree with me for 2+2 to equal 4. Are you seriously suggesting the discrepancy is due to behavior plasticity when it is a genetic component itself?
“That’s actually a minority position advanced by non specialists.”
Define “specialist”.
“According to Eppig’s study, disease burden accounts for 67% of the variance in IQ scores estimated by Lynn. Let’s say another 10% of variation comes from the fact that Lynn’s data is methodologically weak, and another 10% comes from the fact that disease burden includes conditions that aren’t relevant to the development of intelligence. You’re left with 13% of variance that isn’t due to health. It might be education and culture (test taking skills, cultural bias, motivation…).”
Any Heritibility or “variance” measurement is irrelevant to the nurture-nature debate. Only someone with a very elementary understanding of biology would assume that causal factors of intelligence can be broken down into a additive percentage model.
It’s stupid. One of the reasons I don’t like “debating” with you. A hypocrite who espouses as many causalations as the “racists” he criticizes.
One question for you, If hitler said the earth revolved around the sun, is he wrong because he’s hitler?
“I don’t care if there is agreement. Facts are facts. You don’t have to agree with me for 2+2 to equal 4.”
Facts are facts and they’re against HBD. Scientists care about agreement, that’s why they publish their findings in peer-reviewed papers instead of blogs or publications aimed at the general public.
“Define “specialist”.”
A specialist is someone who has received training in his field. For instance, I am a law specialist and you’re probably a specialist in something.
The specialists of brain function are called neuroscientists, the specialists of genetics are geneticists and the the specialists of neuuro-genetics are called neuro-geneticists.
You might prefer non-specialist opinions because you find them attractive, but facts are facts and they are independent of your opinion.
“Any Heritibility or “variance” measurement is irrelevant to the nurture-nature debate.”
Lol, then tell the whole pioneer fund clique because the entire hereditarian theory is based on heritability estimated from twin studies. No one has been able to point to a single actual gene that contributes to the gap.
“Only someone with a very elementary understanding of biology would assume that causal factors of intelligence can be broken down into a additive percentage model.”
Additive variance is widely used in biology, especially in genetics.
“It’s stupid. One of the reasons I don’t like “debating” with you. A hypocrite who espouses as many causalations as the “racists” he criticizes.”
I’m always careful with correlations, but when they are strong and when they make sense I have no reason to ignore them.
“One question for you, If hitler said the earth revolved around the sun, is he wrong because he’s hitler?”
You’re completely misrepresenting my point of view.
Afrosapiens, I am afraid you do not understand the Breeder’s Equation. You can see Greg Cochran’s new year explainer for it
https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27199
I have perfectly understood the breeder’s equation. Moreover, regression to the mean can be due to environmental factors just as much as genetic ones. It is just a statistical phenomenon due to outliers being unrepresentative of their population mostly by chance.
Now if you want to educate yourself, here is the breeder’s equation explained by an actual evolutionary biologist:
http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/the-breeder-s-equation-24204828
“Facts are facts and they’re against HBD. ”
Do you know what HBD is?
“Scientists care about agreement, that’s why they publish their findings in peer-reviewed papers instead of blogs or publications aimed at the general public.”
Agreement isn’t always logically catalyzed.
“A specialist is someone who has received training in his field. For instance, I am a law specialist and you’re probably a specialist in something.”
Anthropology, biology, psychology.
Training isn’t necessarily group demanding, you can easily teach yourself if you understand proper logic and have an eye for literature. Do you know how many Rock climbing “specialists” die a year from rock climbing?
“You might prefer non-specialist opinions because you find them attractive, but facts are facts and they are independent of your opinion.”
It’s a good thing HBD isn’t opinion.
“Lol, then tell the whole pioneer fund clique because the entire hereditarian theory is based on heritability estimated from twin studies.”
What does the pioneer fund have to do with HBD? Heredity=/= heritability.
” No one has been able to point to a single actual gene that contributes to the gap.”
Yes they have
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientific-breakthrough-in-study-of-the-genetics-of-myopia-8489016.html
http://newsroom.cumc.columbia.edu/blog/2015/08/31/gene-leads-to-nearsightedness-when-kids-read/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/08/22/myopia-iq-and-race/
https://nei.nih.gov/eyedata/myopia#2
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130502131710.htm
“Additive variance is widely used in biology, especially in genetics.”
I’m talking about intelligence. Which is cultural in nature because of socializing being the main encephalization factor. An additive model would be nearly impossible.
“I’m always careful with correlations, but when they are strong and when they make sense I have no reason to ignore them.”
And now you know how 90% of HBDers feel.
“You’re completely misrepresenting my point of view.”
No I’m not. It was just a question, so answer it.
“Do you know what HBD is?”
It is the politically correct name of “scientific” racism and “race realism”. And it’s not even a good term, each individual is an instance of human biodiversity.
“Agreement isn’t always logically catalyzed.”
Peer review is fundamental in science and only pseudoscientists try to avoid it like HBDers do.
“Anthropology, biology, psychology.”
Lol, and I suppose you’re also an Ivy league scholar.
“you can easily teach yourself if you understand proper logic and have an eye for literature.”
There is always a point when you need the enlightenment of a specialist or you end up spreading bullshit like you do.
“Do you know how many Rock climbing “specialists” die a year from rock climbing?”
I don’t, do you ? And how about non-specialists ?
“It’s a good thing HBD isn’t opinion.”
Yes you’re right, it’s religion.
“Yes they have”
There is nothing in your links that identifies a gene that has a pleitropic effect on sight and IQ and whose distribution varies by race. Try again or learn some more about myopia.
http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v28/n2/full/eye2013254a.html
“I’m talking about intelligence. Which is cultural in nature because of socializing being the main encephalization factor. An additive model would be nearly impossible.”
I doubt you even understand what you write
“And now you know how 90% of HBDers feel.”
No, HBDers get excited by any small and meaningless correlation that goes in the direction they like.
“No I’m not. It was just a question, so answer it.”
First, calm down. Second, think what you want about me, I can’t care less.
“It is the politically correct name of “scientific” racism and “race realism”. And it’s not even a good term, each individual is an instance of human biodiversity.”
See you don’t even know what HBD is. You’ve confined it into this warped definition used to denote lack of credibility.
It’s not dependent on race, or IQ. You’ve completely failed to grasp even the fundamentals. This is my frustration with you.
Your mentality is incredibly “black and white”
“Peer review is fundamental in science and only pseudoscientists try to avoid it like HBDers do.”
Which particular studies do you have issues with? Which ones were not peer reviewed? Lynn’s data is sound and peer reviewed. The confidence in IQ as a valid psychometric is of corresponding expert cosign, independnent of popular HBD scientists like rushton or jensen.
The patterned discrepancies are valid and observable.
Do you even know what you disagree with?
“Lol, and I suppose you’re also an Ivy league scholar.”
Nah, I’m a prole.
“There is always a point when you need the enlightenment of a specialist or you end up spreading bullshit like you do.”
I guess the point flew over your head.
“I don’t, do you ? And how about non-specialists ?”
Ahh, now are you realizing your false dichotomy?
Probably not.
“Yes you’re right, it’s religion.”
In evolution we trust.
“There is nothing in your links that identifies a gene that has a pleitropic effect on sight and IQ and whose distribution varies by race. Try again or learn some more about myopia.”
Ya..there was. Your link is equally fallacious as you claim mine to be. The so called “environmental” factors in your link could be altering phenotype through gene expression. You don’t understand the genetic-culture interaction as much as you’d like like to think
“No, HBDers get excited by any small and meaningless correlation that goes in the direction they like.”
Sorry, I can’t believe that statement until you show me a study that proves the correlation between HBD Ideology and overexcitment to data is high.
Then you have to show the relationship is causal.
“I doubt you even understand what you write”
I think I Just articulate in a confusing manner. Especially to those less verbose than I. I have a tendency to create words and my vocabulary can be quite confusing because I use words in more general manners. I also don’t explain things with affluent detail. I tend to assume others no what I’m talking about.
Chris Langan is a lot like this as well. It’s because Him and I have self taught knowledge.
Your verbal IQ is obviously learned and not fluid.
“First, calm down. Second, think what you want about me, I can’t care less.”
First, I am calm. Second, It was just a question.
I have never met an egalitarian who would answer it.
“See you don’t even know what HBD is. You’ve confined it into this warped definition used to denote lack of credibility.”
I perfectly know what HBD is, they don’t care about individual differences because HBDers at the individual level are mere nobodies, they only find pride in group differences to boost their ego.
“Which particular studies do you have issues with? Which ones were not peer reviewed? Lynn’s data is sound and peer reviewed.”
Pioneer fund scholars only get published in lesser journals that have pioneer fund scientists at their editorial board: Intelligence, Personality and Individual differences, Mankind Quarterly.
“Which particular studies do you have issues with? Which ones were not peer reviewed? Lynn’s data is sound and peer reviewed. ”
I’m 100% consistent with my position. And for your information, the death risk of rock climbing is 1/320,000.
“In evolution we trust.”
Start by understanding evolution and then we can talk.
“Ya..there was. Your link is equally fallacious as you claim mine to be.”
Your links were a disparate collection of scientific and non-scientific documents, none of which proved your actual point.
“Sorry, I can’t believe that statement until you show me a study that proves the correlation between HBD Ideology and overexcitment to data is high.”
HBD ideology ? Didn’t you say HBD wasn’t an opinion ? You’re a waste of time, go play with the other kids and let the adults alone.
“I think I Just articulate in a confusing manner.”
Ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement, et les mots pour le dire arrivent aisément – Nicolas Boileau.
“I have never met an egalitarian who would answer it.”
I won’t answer either. But you have probably noticed that RaceRealist88 and I agreed on a lot and had much respect for each other.
“I perfectly know what HBD is, they don’t care about individual differences because HBDers at the individual level are mere nobodies, they only find pride in group differences to boost their ego.”
Wow that was such a generalization.
“Pioneer fund scholars only get published in lesser journals that have pioneer fund scientists at their editorial board: Intelligence, Personality and Individual differences, Mankind Quarterly.”
My gawd you’re a broken record. Again, what does the pioneer fund have to do with HBD?
“I’m 100% consistent with my position. And for your information, the death risk of rock climbing is 1/320,000.”
Lmfao@ the fact that you actually looked that up.
“Start by understanding evolution and then we can talk.”
Tis you heretics who do not understand the full glory and grace that evolution hath brought us.
“Your links were a disparate collection of scientific and non-scientific documents, none of which proved your actual point.”
hahahaha, yes they did. You’re so fucking cringy maybe you should actually read them before you decide to make yourself look like a jack ass.
“HBD ideology ? Didn’t you say HBD wasn’t an opinion?”
Don’t change the subject I’m still waiting for that peer reviewed study with the correlation.
“I won’t answer either. ”
Pussy.
“But you have probably noticed that RaceRealist88 and I agreed on a lot and had much respect for each other.”
That’s nice are you going to suck his dick now?
“Ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement, et les mots pour le dire arrivent aisément – Nicolas Boileau.”
Or maybe Your verbal is too low to get it. I’m sure it’s due to environmental factors though.
“You’re a waste of time, go play with the other kids and let the adults alone.”
Old ass, bitch ass, low T ass nigga. I bet I could make your ho bend over in a heartbeat.
You’re such an uncle tom:
You should lift the moderation on that one pumpkin
Let’s get back to this discussion when you’ve completed middle school.
It’s not like it takes a middle school education to debunk your bullshit.
When you have completed middle school, you’ll understand how far you are from having debunked any of my claims (which also happen to be the claims of the majority of specialists). Or maybe you’ll never understand, you look pretty dull.
When you actually grow a pair, then maybe you’ll admit you’re wrong.
I’ve shown that we don’t have bigger brains than gorillas, they have bigger bodies than us.
LOL! We have MUCH bigger brains than gorillas, despite having much smaller bodies:
Lol indeed, my friend.
From Herculano-Houzel and Kaas (2011):
Gorillas and orangutans are primates at least as large as humans, but their brains amount to about one third of the size of the human brain. This discrepancy has been used as evidence that the human brain is about 3 times larger than it should be for a primate species of its body size. In contrast to the view that the human brain is special in its size, we have suggested that it is the great apes that might have evolved bodies that are unusually large, on the basis of our recent finding that the cellular composition of the human brain matches that expected for a primate brain of its size, making the human brain a linearly scaled-up primate brain in its number of cells. To investigate whether the brain of great apes also conforms to the primate cellular scaling rules identified previously, we determine the numbers of neuronal and other cells that compose the orangutan and gorilla cerebella, use these numbers to calculate the size of the brain and of the cerebral cortex expected for these species, and show that these match the sizes described in the literature. Our results suggest that the brains of great apes also scale linearly in their numbers of neurons like other primate brains, including humans.
Afrosapiens what do you think about this?
Relative to chimpanzees, our brains are proportional to our size.
Relative to chimpanzees, our brains are proportional to our size.
No, our brains are nearly 8 times bigger than the average for an animal our size
Chimp brains are less than 2.5 times bigger than average for their size
If chimps had the same body size as humans, their brains would be of equal size
If chimps had the same body size as humans, their brains would be of equal size
Not even close. Chimps have extremely tiny brains and brain size increases very slowly as a function of body size. A chimp with a human sized body would have a cranial capacity of only about 498 cc.
Afrosapiens, exactly. Great apes evolved bodies too larger for their brains, which explains the so-called discrepancy. Since neuronal scaling rules hold for all primates, it’s gorillas who’ve evolved bigger bodies for their brains, we don’t have bigger brains than gorillas, they have nigger bodies than us.
EQ is garbage.
Agreed.
“they have nigger bodies than us.”
lol.
Lol. Whoops. The n is right next to the b. Damn touch screens.
Freudian slip.
RR read my mind, however dolphin’s ability to use tools is greatly reduced by their anatomy and environment.
“Because evolution is so incredibly progressive, I predict that if humans go extinct, and the earth remains intact, within 10 million years there will be another species, at least as intelligent as we are”
If we’re replaced by a new intelligent species, it will be an African primate, as usual.
“If we’re replaced by a new intelligent species, it will be an African primate, as usual.”
This. No idea why anyone would think otherwise. Man won’t be here as long as the rest of the species on earth. They’ll be here long after we’re gone. Our “superiority”!!!
So big controversy in Euro media about a Spanish pol who said Spain is better off not being muslim…
FUCK MY LIFE.
The madness of ‘rac-ism’ will only end when you confront it directly and say the word is made up by Jews. Literally, made up by jews.
Spain is the only Euro nation that has shown success in integrating its immigrants.
Spaniards have a dual nature of being the sedentary bourgeois and the wandering rogue. It’s a Semitic thing that one finds with the Arabs and Jews, but unlike them, the Spanish have a Greco-Roman legacy of justice and fairness. What’s lacking in their dual nature is the median point — known as the proletariat – who strives for a living.
Therefore, Spain is a superior nation in this regard. It’s weakness, was its inability to become scientific like the Germans.
Funnily enough, I coming around to the idea the Spanish handled the Jewish Question best – full expulsion.
No ghettos. No slaughterhouse. No integration. No special status. No diplomacy.
Just fuck them out and let them brainwash the dopey nice guy germanics.
If I was ruler of my country I would completely ban jews, not muslims. Muslims you can handle with the sword. Jews cannot be fought with the pen by lower IQ races of man i.e. all other races of man.
It’s a symbiotic effect. Northern Euros were always inferior barbarians.
The glaring difference between the Sephardic Jews in Spain vs Ashkenazim in Germany. It’s a story of the diplomat vs the banker.
Ashkenazim were poorly socialized. And German tourists in Spain aren’t too different from Anglo Proles, slightly more polite, but not by much.
Yeah a ‘night of shame’ if you’ve been trained like a Pavlonian dog not to think tribally to make it easier for Jews to take over your country.
‘Shame’
Hahahahahah.
Spain has integrated all of its immigrants better than any Euro nation:
Gypsies in Spain are flamenco masters, while the rest of their brethren in other parts of Europe are just wanderers without a niche. Spaniards could tolerate them, because Spaniards are inherently adventurers themselves.
Ask any Spanish speaking Hindu and Chinese and they will tell you they would be happier running their businesses in Spain vs England, despite earning less. Remember only proles strive for more than they need.
Nah, the Germanics are the Nice Guy euros. The further south you go, the less tolerant and nastier peeps get. Although I’d be happy to see crime stats on the matter.
My hunch, is the if you strip out the north africans, africans and arabs, north euro crime is lower than Meds.
We know corruption is less historically anyway.
Islam is mostly Turkish in Deutschland.
The North Africans are mostly concentrated in France and Spain.
“north euro crime is lower than Meds.”
Southern European white crime is actually much lower than Northern European white crime. Finland and England have more homocide than Greece and Spain. Spain has the lowest homocide in Europe if i recall correctly.
Half of sicilian mafia was transferred to Frankfurt…
I think the most intelligent cetacean is the Northern Bottlenose Whale, not to be confused with the Bottlenose Dolphin, although some people call them dolphins on steroids. They are larger than Killer Whales. I have seen some of them swimming by up close while whale watching in Novia Scotia, Canada.
These animals are the most receptive of humans, and would swim near ships to take a peek at humans, which became their weakness. They are the most hunted of whales, because of this behavior.
James Gorman is the best bank CEO. Morgan Stanley have a good culture. Mack was also an intelligent reflective guy.
On this Stanford wiki it lists the dolphin has having an EC of 5.31. What would its IQ be, then? Scroll down: https://white.stanford.edu/teach/index.php/Brain_Gyrification_and_its_Significance
If dolphins have an EQ of 5.31, what would their IQ be, then? See https://white.stanford.edu/teach/index.php/Brain_Gyrification_and_its_Significance for the EQs.
Pumpkin should do a poll on the most hated country in the world.
I would vote for Israel because
can’t get over being bullied in high school so spent the 2000s making whites be strangers in their own lands
(a) they are low empathy high IQ slimy gamma rats that promote magic negroes to get power
(b) they always break international law
(c) they like staging terrorist incidents and doing demolition jobs on world trade centers
(d) they hate hate hate whites for being nice and meek
(e) they enjoy brainwashing young white children when they aren’t touching them
(f) they looted america
(g) reduced American civilisation, society and culture to its knees and promote black man white woman couples day after day night after night in their final assault on the nice goyim who stupidly took them in in their movies, music and tv
(h) acquired nukes
(i) hate black people in Israel and pretend to love black people in America cynically
(j) are neurotic and will never stop even if all the Middle East is lebensraum safe
(k) are usually feminine brained gamma deceptive conniving scum
(l) hate christians
(m) bribe and blackmail politicans left right and centre
(n) want to destroy Europe with the same open borders promote black man stuff
(o) want to control everyones thoughts
(p) want to create hate speech laws to stop anyone noticing jewish mind control
(q) are a parody of Mordor
(r) closest thing to a mastermind evil race of man
(s) control and expand wall street, a parasitical industry mostly
(t) don’t fight in wars alongside gentiles
(u) control academia and reduce philosophy, psychology, economics, anthropology, biology, political science and history to joke sophist paedophile priest worthy subjects
(v) have a weird obsession with white women
(x) makes low IQ whites chuck resources at shithole Malthusian wastelands like Africa and Haiti which expands the Kinshasa Problem of overbreeding psychopath blacks
(y) reduced English literature and language to a ‘magic negro’ rappify everything and suck 40 IQ points from the art movement
(z) are fucking liars, thieves, scoundrels, paedophile DEGENERATE pond scum.
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No, I completely reject the notion that Stalin, Hitler, the Spanish, the Arabs, the Romans, the Slavs, the Ottomans, the Persians, the Egyptians were aware of the jewish propensity to invert logic using abstractions and moneylending. Absolutely false. Just because jews are 0.001% of the world population and control half its countries doesn’t mean we can create wild conspiracy theories like that.Totally false. Let’s watch more All State ads and see what happens to our daughters. hopefully they can prove they are not racist and have black kids and follow their brainwashing to the letter.
There is quite simply not enough blacks on television nowadays. People will start thinking they are 13% of the population!!!!
Philosopher, that’s going wayyyyy too far. What’s wrong with you?
Pumpkin why are you moderating those statements? I was merely quoting someone else and not advocating for those points of view at all and actually showed that I disagreed completely with my friend’s statements.
2 percent of dolphins should be IQ 58.5 if the average IQ is 45.
Their SD should be 6.75 = 15(0.45)
6.75 * 2 = 13.5
45 + 13.5 = 58.5
According to Lynn, Bushmen have an average IQ of 54. Thus, some dolphins are smarter than Bushmen.
That can’t possibly be true.
You never know what goes down under the sea…
I believe non-human animals tend to have very little intelligence variation if they were compared with human animals, because over– natural selection more than promote evolution (genetic diversification + selection of new and possibly useful types) tend to promote conservation of the contextual/current winner organism type.
Intelligence variation or genetic diversity tend to happen in very stable environment BUT without a direction or objective goal this scenario tend to create a higher pseudo-random variety without a evolutionary dynamics, literally speaking…
And Dolphins can’t communicate as most ”healthy” humans do, so IQ is not inter-species transferable, Dolphins no have a human-verbal IQ…
Come back only to answer it… nervaass
And finalizing, i believe there are less intelligence variation also among hunter gatherers because their demographic size, but also because natural scenarios tend to promote firstly the conservation of the current winner organism type, depressing the genetic amplitude/diversity of them, and not their evolution, evolution only happen [or niet] with accumulative differentiation and OF COURSE differentiation that really works and in the immediate natural scenarios seems quite difficult that sub-efficient variant types survive for long time, even everything is possible, this appear to be a exception.
Progressive evolution happen when we have a accumulation of positive traits improving throughout generations and RE-adaptations seems to be the ”pseudo-evolution” when we have a abrupt (generally abrupt) change in environment and ”re-organization” of the species or organisms who are being affected by this dynamics.
Humans are result of very progressive evolution.
GUT pie!!
”We already were fish”
What also make humans, by now, unique and truly superior than other organisms, mentally speaking, is our capacity to see the exterior reality via impersonal point of views, voi la, science born exactly like that!!
It’s wrong to say only humans can ”act like scientists”, every evolutionary ”strategy’ is scientific, but via very natural ways, 😉
This explain partially why autism seems to be a syndrome of the highly intelligent people [whatever social class] while schizophrenia seems to be the opposite, because highly intelligent people, those who are more prone to catch more genuine pieces of the factual reality, are more prone to turn off their ego to look to the reality as ”she” is, producing a impersonal/scientific thoughts, while schizophrenics tend to be considerably concerned about what other people think about them, a super-ego*
But, seems, genius only manifest when psychosis and autism interact one each other AND in efficient ways, a type of synergyc interaction.
fui
“Humans are result of very progressive evolution.”
Bullshit.
Given gravity, animals that fly are more likely to be lightweight, and possess something akin to wings. In a more general sense, it may be necessary for life to be cellular, composed of small units that keep their insides different from the outside world. If such constraints are dominant, life elsewhere may closely resemble life on earth. Conversely, perhaps contingency rules – the make-up of life depends on the random survivors of global accidents such as the asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs. Wind back the clock to Cambrian times, half a billion years ago, when mammals first exploded into the fossil record, and let it play forwards again. Would that parallel be similar to our own? Perhaps the hills would be crawling with giant terrestrial octopuses. (Lane, 2015: 21)
And so, if you wish to ask the question of the ages—why do humans exist?—a major part of that answer, touching those aspects of the issue that science can touch at all, must be: because Pikaiasurvived the Burgess decimation. This response does not cite a single law of nature; it embodies no statement about predictable evolutionary pathways, no calculation of probabilities based on general rules of anatomy or ecology. The survival of Pikaia was a contingency of “just history.” I do not think that any “higher” answer can be given, and I cannot imagine that any resolution could be more fascinating (Gould, 1989: 323)
We are here by accident—by chance. If Pikaia would have died put 550 mya, we would not be here.
Santa Claus is back! We missed you!
Internet arguments/debates are futile 99 % of the time. It’s incredibly hard to change the other person’s mind. Hence, I don’t partake in them.
Arguments are meant to convince the audience rather than your opponent.
Exactly. Backfire effect, etc. People hold on to their beliefs strongly even when shown they’re wrong and search for anything confirm it.
http://www.instituteforpr.org/part-two-backfire-effect-change-minds/
Afrosapiens if you’re interested, Jonathan Haidt talks about how to change people’s minds and win arguments in his book “The Righteous Mind”.
Interesting references, especially the part that says confirmation bias is a protection against the pain of being wrong. Among HBDers, beliefs are not simple opinions, they are passionate opinions, they literally get high on their theories of racial inequality and want to avoid the devastating hangover at any price.
I find arguments incredibly draining, especially when
1) both sides have extreme views
2) neither is willing to concede an inch
3) both parties are more interested in winning rather than discovering the truth
4) the argument is about a trivial point
5) there isn’t an impartial referee
6) the evidence isn’t dispositive thereby making no. 1 more aggravating
etc… I’m just not argumentative I guess…
Also I’m too lazy to do the research… I’d rather just concede or stop responding… My lazy brain just wants to watch Netflix and makeup tutorials.
lol. I’m the opposite, I think arguments are a good way to learn things that I wouldn’t have researched otherwise (I’m currently impressing my girl with cetacean facts). And I would dream to have HBD debates in real life.
It’s hard to believe but I really am kinda smart. It’s just that my brain is so lazy and inefficient that I can only be smart sometimes. If I read too much, my brain will stop absorbing.
It’s obvious that you’re smart if you’re a successful law student. This alone should boost your self-esteem.
What brings you here if it’s not the endless and pointless arguments ?
I like to watch you guys argue from the sidelines. I’ve learned a lot from Pumpkin and all the commenters.
“Because evolution is progressive and intelligence is perhaps the ultimate adaptation”
I disagree, a large part of human intelligence is futile, decorative not adaptive. The intelligence of Japanese macaque is enough for primates to survive in temperate climates.
Evolution ain’t progressive. Contingency, accident, Piakia, etc.
Check this out Afrosapiens:
http://phys.org/news/2013-12-humans-smarter-animals-experts.html
Also, that’s anthropomorphizing animals. Why give animals human traits? The anthropocentric view of evolution makes no sense.
Was everything just here to lead up to us eventually? Hell no. Read Wonderful Life and Full House by Stephen Jay Gould.
“it’s only a matter of time before one of their descendants hit 100.”
I’m also beginning to not really care about IQ scores, much wanting to know actual structural, genetic and physical differences of brains that have this number “160” IQ.
“Also, that’s anthropomorphizing animals. Why give animals human traits? The anthropocentric view of evolution makes no sense.”
Yes, that’s stupid. And it is equally stupid to disregard brain characteristics that don’t make humans come first. Cognitive evolution has lots of outcomes and it doesn’t have to lead to human intelligence.
If intelligence was the finality of evolution, lots of much older species would be competing with us.
“I’m also beginning to not really care about IQ scores, much wanting to know actual structural, genetic and physical differences of brains that have this number “160” IQ.”
IQ is a fragile concept in humans, never mind animals..
It’s amazing how well-read RR is yet Marsha insists that he has a low IQ. I think Marsha is wrong. People with low IQ can’t/don’t want to read because reading hurts their brain.
Yeah he reads a lot and he’s good at organizing time. I envy him because I tend to be a procrastinator. In my opinion, with all the information he gets and if he looks for pertinent sources, it’s only a matter of time before he quits HBD.
First step to time management is meal prep. Everything falls into place after that.
“with all the information he gets and if he looks for pertinent sources, it’s only a matter of time before he quits HBD.”
Maybe. I doubt it though. I am starting to become critical of my own views though. I’m certain that differential pressures for different peoples led to different mental outcomes as well is morphological and musculoskeletal differences. I don’t believe that evolution stopped below the neck for 50 ky.
After reading A Troublesome Inheritance and how he explained institutions, I started to think more about how differing institutions (which are genetic in nature, due to the environment which is obviously the cause of population differences) drove selection and change between and within populations. That’s the only logical answer to come to.
“After reading A Troublesome Inheritance”
Lol, I said pertinent sources…
Honestly, I really encourage you to subscribe to the top scientific journals in HBd relevant fields. I’d be glad to see an HBDer who’s in touch with the latest developments of science instead of citing the same old unreplicated or contradicted studies.
Which good journals are out there? I’ll probably take a look later. You have any suggestions?
http://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php
This website publishes the most trusted academic journal ranking.
Beware of the cost though, I spend close to €2000 a year in subscriptions to journals in legal sciences,business sciences and economics.
Thank you. Marsha is just a prostitute whore, what does she know? I read at least one book week. Whenever I get new interests and things to read about (usually through debating people) i tend to read a lot about it.
I love dolphins – such magical and spiritual creatures. Thanks for sharing this 🙂