With Halloween only weeks away, the topics on this blog are getting darker. I find it fascinating how art imitates life, even when the artists don’t understand the life they are imitating. I doubt the writers of the original Friday the 13th movies (released in the 1980s) understood the concept of heritability, let alone the fact that heritability increases with age, and yet their main character, the iconic hockey mask wearing machete wielding killer, Jason, was a perfect example of exactly that.
In the late 20th century, it was discovered that genes explain about 45% of the IQ variation in childhood, 65% of the variation in adolescence, and about 80% in later maturity. Family environment explains about 35% of the IQ variation in childhood, and near zero by later adulthood. Meanwhile chance environment explains about 25% at all ages.
The character of Jason was born with extremely bad genes for IQ, a genetic condition called hydrocephalis, where there is too much cerebrospinal fluid in the brain, causing the head to swell and deform. Yet despite his extremely bad genes, growing up he would have scored above 60 on IQ tests because his mother was constantly teaching him and getting him to participate in educational activities like summer camp.

The late actress Betsy Palmer was brilliant as Jason’s all American mother; the ultimate summer camp mom
However the problem with trying to educated people beyond their genetic ability, is that as soon as they are placed in a novel situation, they can’t adapt, and their learning and training is useless. For Jason, that novel situation was going swimming one evening at Camp Crystal Lake.
Not intelligent enough to remember how to swim, he almost drowned and was washed to the other side of the lake. When he came out of the water, in the unfamiliar wilderness, he could not adapt by finding his way back to the camp, let alone to his grieving mother. So he simply lived in the woods like animal, for decades.
So he started with a great environment (being raised by an attentive all-American mother) which artificially propped his IQ up above 60, but because his genetic ability was so low, when faced with a truly novel problem (nearly drowning and washing up in an unfamiliar part of the woods), he turned the situation to his disadvantage, by getting stranded in the woods for decades and becoming a feral child, losing his capacity for speech.
So what started as extremely bad genes being propped up by a good environment (attentive mother) became extremely bad genes in an extremely bad environment (living like an animal in the woods). This is a classic example of the gene-environment correlation increasing with age: bad genes create bad environments, even when they start with good environments.
This shows that while a good cultural environment can raise IQ scores, it can’t do much to raise real intelligence. Because if real intelligence was being raised, why do genetically dull people from good environments see their IQs drop with age? It’s not that the effects of environment fade, it’s that environmentally enhanced IQs were never real to begin with, which is precisely why they can’t maintain their good environments.
By the time Jason was in his 30s (my age), not only had his low genetic IQ destroyed his cultural environment (living in the woods devoid of all culture) but he had finally destroyed his biological environment, as his violent behavior caused someone to sink a machete into his head, physically damaging his brain.
Such damage from the physical environment, like the cultural deprivation of becoming a feral child, damaged his IQ score, but unlike cultural deprivation, the biological insults destroy real intelligence, and not mere test performance.
Jason was born with a genetic IQ of perhaps 40, but because of a loving mother (good environment) he had a phenotypic IQ of over 60 in childhood. But because the phenotypic IQ was artificially propped up by an environment he could not adapt to his advantage, his environment precipitously declined, until his IQ was as low as his genetic IQ.
On your point about genes and environment, Steven Pinker destroyed the notion of behavior=genes+environment.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/11/behaviorgenesenvironment-vindication/
As you said, we create our environment based on our genes.
“Gene-environment interactions in this technical sense, confusingly, go into the “unique environmental” component, because they’re not the same (on average) in siblings growing up in the same family. Just as confusingly, “interactions” in the commonsense – namely, that a person with a given genotype is predictably affected by the environment – goes into the “heritability” component, because the quantitative genetics measures only correlations. This confound is behind the finding that the heritability of intelligence increases, and the effects of shared environment decrease, over a person’s lifetime. One explanation is that genes have effects late in life, but another is that people with a given genotype place themselves in environments that indulge their inborn tastes and talents. The “environment” increasingly depends on their genes, rather than being the cause of exogenous behavior.” (Emphasis mine.) (pg 191 This Idea Must Die)
And this is why behaviors don’t change and environments follow people as they migrate. Because we ourselves are the cause for our environments. Our genes are the cause of our environment. Our environment doesn’t affect our behavior, out genes affect our environment and environment depends on genes and not exogenous behavior.
So basically Jason’s environment was caused by his genes. It’s that simple. It holds for ourselves here in real life as well. No idea why something that seems so simple took so long to come out but I’m glad it did.
So really, PP, your “intelligence is the ability to adapt” theory doesn’t hold. Our genes make us seek out/make environments based on our genetics. Pinker said it extremely well. Moreover on your intelligence is the ability to adapt theory, the high heritability of intelligence seems to throw a wrench in that theory.
So basically Jason’s environment was caused by his genes. It’s that simple. It holds for ourselves here in real life as well. No idea why something that seems so simple took so long to come out but I’m glad it did.
It took so long to come out because it took so long to become true. In the past, our genes didn’t have the power to shape our environments because there was far less class mobility. If you were born lower class, you were stuck in a bad environment your whole life, regardless of how good your genes were.
Moreover on your intelligence is the ability to adapt theory, the high heritability of intelligence seems to throw a wrench in that theory.
Not at all. If you inherit the ability to adapt situations to your advantage, you’ll make your environment progressively better.
“Not at all. If you inherit the ability to adapt situations to your advantage, you’ll make your environment progressively better.”
Seems like this is Word game. You seem to be using adaptation as intelligence. I agree there. But you using adaptations outside of the term of intelligence I think you’re wrong there. As, again, intelligence is highly heritable.
So every ethny and race has this adaptation to adapt? I agree there to a point. But Africans can’t survive in Europe (a few thousand years ago) and the dame with Europeans in Africa. This adaptation thing you push is wrong as different environments have different obstacles which would decrease fitness as that’s not their ancestral environment.
”So really, PP, your “intelligence is the ability to adapt” theory doesn’t hold. Our genes make us seek out/make environments based on our genetics. Pinker said it extremely well. Moreover on your intelligence is the ability to adapt theory, the high heritability of intelligence seems to throw a wrench in that theory.”
Self awareness and a ”good” use of it may perpass the environmental determinism that tends to be significative among less–self-aware species.
”Because we ourselves are the cause for our environments. Our genes are the cause of our environment. Our environment doesn’t affect our behavior, out genes affect our environment and environment depends on genes and not exogenous behavior.”
Of course because the subject is their own epicenter just like the earth nucleus is their epicenter and their behavior are their reverberations throughout their specific space/time.
In the same way behavior of inanimate existences like rocks/physical things reflects their intrinsic characteristics, behavior may be also understood such ”genetic regurgitation”, genetic vibration, behavior are waves of their epicenter/subject.
“Self awareness and a ”good” use of it may perpass the environmental determinism that tends to be significative among less–self-aware species.”
Less self-aware species would have died out as they were not able to adapt to their environment over a long period of time. Again, PP’s “intelligence is the ability to adapt” theory makes no sense with the high heritability of intelligence.
The self-awareness came about due to the environment which is mediated by genes. This “environment dictates behavior” paradigm is wrong. Environment depends on genes and is not the cause of the exogenous behavior.
“Of course because the subject is their own epicenter just like the earth nucleus is their epicenter and their behavior are their reverberations throughout their specific space/time.
Yea whatever you said didn’t have anything to do with what I said. Our genes affect our environment. This is why blacks can move to nice white areas and turn it into a ghetto once their population reaches a critical mass (in my opinion when their population reaches around 20 to 25 percent of the population of that area.
“In the same way behavior of inanimate existences like rocks/physical things reflects their intrinsic characteristics, behavior may be also understood such ”genetic regurgitation”, genetic vibration, behavior are waves of their epicenter/subject.”
Environment is dictated by genes. Our genes make us seek out similar others (Genetic Similarity Theory) which then pretty much is the reason why differing races and ethnies have environments based on their genes. This is why when white flight occurs, whites can pick up and build a similar environment. This is why when blacks move into nice white areas, once their population reaches the critical mass they change the environment and make it a ghetto.
It’s pretty simple.
Also your posts like this are way easier to read than your one line per sentence word salad posts.
”Yea whatever you said didn’t have anything to do with what I said. Our genes affect our environment. This is why blacks can move to nice white areas and turn it into a ghetto once their population reaches a critical mass (in my opinion when their population reaches around 20 to 25 percent of the population of that area.”
It’s too hard for you understand my metaphors, so sorry!!
Earth nucleus if not dictate directly the behavior of the rest of this planet, at least have enormous influence. I’m comparing SUBJECT/”INDIVIDUAL”…
being and human being while a individual and while the epicenter of their own behavior, where the behavior originates.
Many people (your stup…end white cousins) believe ”environment” determine behavior of ”people” (themselves). It’s a truism that you, seems, believe that Pinker discover by himself while it’s a obvious obviety…
https://acasadevidro.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/truman-show-21.jpg?w=474&h=267
Hbd-merchandising moment!!
business!!
😉
I commit grammar mistakes, you commit more genotypical-cognitive mistakes, 😉
more intrinsic,
i may solve my problem if i decide learn english decently,
you problem seems is deeper, nor cognitive therapy could solve it.
”Environment is dictated by genes.”
Environment is not dicated buy our genes, it exist with ot without life.
Humans and other species that can modify part of environment to their own advantage, period.
Our genes make us seek out similar others (Genetic Similarity Theory) which then pretty much is the reason why differing races and ethnies have environments based on their genes. This is why when white flight occurs, whites can pick up and build a similar environment. This is why when blacks move into nice white areas, once their population reaches the critical mass they change the environment and make it a ghetto.”
Races and ethnicities are aglomeration of the PSYCHOLOGICAL similarities, explicit AND implicit, more nuanced but underlied among certain groups.
In the true, what really make people aglomerate with similar ones is
more psychological (think similar)
more cultural (think similar, but symbolized)
and
conformity is camouflage.
genetic determinists think humans are authomaton.
”genes make us do this”
humans are the LEAST automaton-esque species.
”It’s pretty simple.”
”our genes make us seek similar genes”
you’re using a pretty abstract, atom level-thing: genes, to conclude that ”it’s pretty simple”.
”Also your posts like this are way easier to read than your one line per sentence word salad posts.”
Nope, it’s just a different and more possibly mechanic way to understand the behavior and with possible reverberations/new ”insights”.
Something that you who are creative, can’t understand.
You need this
Among non-human beings environment have a huge impact and also because they tend to be more subconscious about themselves, so,
if the environment change, individuals of most (if not, all) non-human species CAN’T adapt and is likelly to die, because they only can do a narrow super-specialized strategies.
Many individual humans can adapt IF the environment change.
Do you understand now*
“Earth nucleus if not dictate directly the behavior of the rest of this planet, at least have enormous influence. I’m comparing SUBJECT/”INDIVIDUAL”…”
It’s not that I don’t understand your metaphors, it’s yoyr grammar is atrocious and I can barely make out what you say.
Our genes dictate environment. Sure the environment is always there but the types of environments we make as races and ethnies come down to our genes.
“being and human being while a individual and while the epicenter of their own behavior, where the behavior originates.”
Genes dictate behavior.
“It’s a truism that you, seems, believe that Pinker discover by himself while it’s a obvious obviety…”
Not really. If it’s so obvious then why do we assume that environment dictates behavior when its the other way around?
“you problem seems is deeper, nor cognitive therapy could solve it.”
Again, what the hell are you talking about? I have no “problem” it seems that you don’t understand where I’m coming from.
“Environment is not dicated buy our genes, it exist with ot without life.”
Now I’m positive you don’t grasp what I’m saying.
Environment meaning what we do and how we live. Once humans groups go to an environment, it changes based on the genes of that group.
“Humans and other species that can modify part of environment to their own advantage, period.”
Right. But at the end of the day the end result is n environment thy arises due to the genetic make up of the society. Society is a racial construct, race isn’t a social construct.
“genetic determinists think humans are authomaton.”
If you don’t think so you don’t know about genes and how genes drive our behavior.
“you’re using a pretty abstract, atom level-thing: genes, to conclude that ”it’s pretty simple”.”
Again, our genes make our environment. Our genes make us seek out similar others. This is why GST works here. Since we seek out genetically similar others, and our environment is based on genes you tell me what that means. Again, it’s simple.
“Nope, it’s just a different and more possibly mechanic way to understand the behavior and with possible reverberations/new ”insights”.”
It’s word salad. I can hardly understand you. Do you even paragraphs bro?
“Among non-human beings environment have a huge impact and also because they tend to be more subconscious about themselves, so,”
Animals even more so have their environment built by their genes.
“Many individual humans can adapt IF the environment change.”
Of course. But, at the end of the day, that new environment will be based on their genes.
Do YOU understand now?
”It’s not that I don’t understand your metaphors, it’s yoyr grammar is atrocious and I can barely make out what you say.”
Even i know well my grammar is bad, based on my perception about your constant intelectual dishonesty here, i can’t agree completely.
”Genes dictate behavior.”
Razib is you**
you’re geneticist*
i’m not, so i prefer understand it in the different way.
”Not really. If it’s so obvious then why do we assume that environment dictates behavior when its the other way around?”
Because your ”STUP..END white cousins” has been deceived to believe since 60’s.
”Again, what the hell are you talking about? I have no “problem” it seems that you don’t understand where I’m coming from.”
so you’re perfect*
”problem”
all the time using quotes to the moral issues…
oh god!!!
”Animals even more so have their environment built by their genes.”
parrot again, repeating thousand times without explain why, why you reached this conclusion, the process of your thinking.
”Again, our genes make our environment. ”
Thirty-fourth time.
i don’t disagree wit you but, you just repeat memorized words without explain why.
“Nope, it’s just a different and more possibly mechanic way to understand the behavior and with possible reverberations/new ”insights”.”
It’s word salad. I can hardly understand you. Do you even paragraphs bro?”
I can’t see difference between my sentence and his sentence now.
”more possibly mechanic way”
excessive*
maybe yes, but still understandable.
”mechanic” way = epicenter/being and their echoes/behavior.
mechanism of behavior, the behavior/process of the behavior.
literalize abstractions or abstractize literalities,
”genes dictates environment”
“Even i know well my grammar is bad, based on my perception about your constant intelectual dishonesty here, i can’t agree completely.”
And I can barely understand you. Intellectual dishonesty? You’re fooling yourself.
I’m not a geneticist I just have an interest in population genetics.
“all the time using quotes to the moral issues…”
Don’t ever use quotes!!! That means you can’t explain things yourself!!! I don’t think you understand what using quotes is for. The rationalist model of morality is wrong. The social intuitive model makes more sense.
“parrot again, repeating thousand times without explain why, why you reached this conclusion, the process of your thinking.”
Why should I explain something that’s so simple to understand?
Animals don’t have culture. Everything animals do is driven by genes. Their genes, thusly, make their environment. The same holds for humans. Blacks aren’t bad because of their poor environment, blacks’ own genetics are the cause for their bad environment. As usual, causality is reversed.
Genes dictate environment. Back to my examples of white flight and blacks moving in. Blacks can move to a white area and change the environment. Why did the environment change? Because the population changed. Whites can pick up and make a new environment that’s the same as their old one. So environment doesn’t dictate behavior. Genes dictate environment which genes also dictate behavior.
”And I can barely understand you. Intellectual dishonesty? You’re fooling yourself.
I’m not a geneticist I just have an interest in population genetics.”
Your instinctive/honor mode is on…
Of course not, i will not repeat the same thing why or how you’re intellectually dishonest here and there, isn’t**
don’t worry, most people are…
”Don’t ever use quotes!!! That means you can’t explain things yourself!!!”
honor mode on..
i though you’re finally understand yourself.
no, wait
surreal,
you’re advising me*
”I don’t think you understand what using quotes is for.”
….
scape mode on…
” The rationalist model of morality is wrong. The social intuitive model makes more sense.”
of course, because you was years studying on the subject.
”i will relativize morality to justify my own faults”
so child… mature!!!
seems JS is right when he said ”southern europeans tends to have lower empathy”
”Why should I explain something that’s so simple to understand?”
baby food is easy to eat when it was tritured.
if it’s soo easy why you don’t explain*
”Animals don’t have culture.”
Really**
”Everything animals do is driven by genes. Their genes, thusly, make their environment. The same holds for humans.”
Human cultures are re-invention of the instinctive world humans lost.
But during long time genetics don’t exist.
how you explain it*
”Blacks aren’t bad because of their poor environment, blacks’ own genetics are the cause for their bad environment.”
your cathecism, i know since when i knew subconsciously, 10 years before. In brazil this subject must be one of the most important.
so ALL blacks are bad**
”But during long time genetics don’t exist.
how you explain it*”
how you explain if genetics still had not been ” discovery’ **
i’m not geneticist, i even know REALLY what genes are, what genes to do, how genes cause this behavior, etc…
so i’m trying understand in the ”mechanic/literal way.
“of course, because you was years studying on the subject.”
Nope. Have you? I read new things. I read multiple science genres. I want to be multifaceted. When I can’t say something as well as the author I quote it, which is what should be done. I don’t pull things out of my ass. I don’t say things because they sound good. Everything I say is can back with sources.
“seems JS is right when he said ”southern europeans tends to have lower empathy””
I agree. I only care abkht my family and close friends. Don’t really care abkht anyone else as they don’t affect my life. I only care about what I can change and what affects my life.
“Human cultures are re-invention of the instinctive world humans lost.
But during long time genetics don’t exist.”
What the hell are you talking about. Genes existed as long as humans did. Human culture is a product of genes.
“your cathecism, i know since when i knew subconsciously, 10 years before. In brazil this subject must be one of the most important.
so ALL blacks are bad**”
I didn’t say that. But even the non-criminal blacks’ kids will regress to their racial mean. It’s that simple.
“how you explain if genetics still had not been ” discovery’ **”
Just because we didn’t know the unit of selection doesn’t mean we couldn’t talk about how traits are passed down before Mendel discovered the gene.
I don’t need more nothing…
Science = honor culture for you.
“i don’t care about other people”
Oh hey I like it, sound great, good goy.
🙋
Science is an objective way to discover truth.
“Oh hey I like it, sound great, good goy.”
I don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect my life. Do you care about things that don’t affect yours? I care about what I can immediately control in my own life. As long as others don’t tread on me, I don’t care about them or what they do. Simple.
”Science is an objective way to discover truth.”
pre-memorized sentence.
supposedly it’s right.
science since a long time changed ‘into a’ tool of the power, as well pseudo-philosophy.
”I don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect my life.”
mental maturity =
choice your morality mode
– predator
– parasite
– indifferent
-mutualistic
– combinations
”Do you care about things that don’t affect yours?”
Obvious.
”I care about what I can immediately control in my own life. As long as others don’t tread on me, I don’t care about them or what they do. Simple.”
out of hainal line, 😉
asshol..nice think like that.
Memorized sentence? Haha OK bro. Whatever you say. Science is an objective way to discover truth.
“science since a long time changed ‘into a’ tool of the power, as well pseudo-philosophy.”
What science are you looking at? Maybe Brazilian science but not here in Freedom Land.
“choice your morality mode”
The Human Superpredator.
Screw the Hajnal line. Am not an ass hole. You may think I’m not ‘moral’ being think rationalizing to discover truth is useless. You may think I’m not moral because I have a different view on morality and how it came about (due to evolution and how it was positively selected for in regards to social variables and the like). Morality is not for discovering truth. It’s to work together better and be more cohesive s a group.
But keep “parroting” whatever you say about Haidt’s research. Call me parrot for quoting his book and citing his paper. That does not refute his argument and that only shows you’re giving an argument from emotion because you don’t understand what he says.
I understand the other side. It’s wrong. The rationalists are wrong. The intuitive model is correct.
If I wag a dog’s tail for it, does that make the dog happy?
Surrealist
You don’t understand nothing what Haidt want to say about their theories. Again, you understand what you want…
If you no have shame of yourself don’t worry I have for you.
I just need to watch a TED presentation of Haidt to understand that you use science to yourself as justifications about your own defects.
Obvious that morality start via intuitive mode and this mode for humans tend to be very problematic. This don’t prove your oblique “moral” point of views.
Don’t worry. You’re a superior breed is not?? Super creative white man, southern European genius and I’m just a defective south American mixed race guy.
PP, performance IQ is about 50 % heritable in childhood, growing to more than 70 % in adulthood, with changes mediated by gene expression only. No enviromental interaction has been found.
The above described applies only to verbal IQ.
Certain performance tests are relatively unaffected by cultural environment, especially after early childhood.
Herita ble
Understand able
Work able
Same class of words
Basic math is understandable in childhood so this understandability increase in adulthood.
Understandable if I study it.
Understood when i finished to study it.
Heritable if I have kids with that woman
Inherited AFTER that woman have kids.
Just speculating…
Seems you’re confusing the meaning of heritability with geneticalbiliry/intrinsicability.
How genotypical or strongly genetic is some behavior.
How genotypical or strongly genetic behavior can be.
OR how neuroplastic is the being (human being),
whatevis
I think that kids of all races are much more similar to each other in terms of personalities, interests, and values than adults are to each other.
For example, virtually all kids enjoy Sesamie Street and Dora the Explorer. But as adults, black and white adults have very different musical and cultural tastes. Of course, much of it is cultural.tastes. But just like how kids regardless of race have the same tv preferences, I think it’s fair to say they have the same ranges of iq.
Seems not so there are studies showing differences in temperament among east aisan European and black African babies (east Asians on avg more quiet).
Since eraly age children already exhibit notorious differences in their specific psychological traits.
But parallel to this earlier differences I also can see what you are saying. Children if compared with adolescent and adult tend to be more similar one each other specially in the first years, first childhood. But differences already are there.
😷
Childhood = higher neuroplasticity or development-period
Adolescence = still higher neuroplasticity or end of mental development-period
Adulthood = finish of period of mental(biological) development, so psychological and cognitive traits become more stable.
and not ”more herita-ble”.
in the same way
stabilizable is not stable.
behavior is stabilizable during childhood and adolescence…
😉
as I wrote above, performane IQ seems to be distaced by genes all along the developmental path, and of course, stabilizes itself above the age,,,18-25
you seem a lil bit schizo, it’s an attempt on artistic impression, or is something else at play?
Why??
Hbds have autistic or schizo obsession.
Well I’m both, I’m rational and self controlled paranoid and yes I “see patterns”. All the time! 😉
Again why do you think I’m autistic ot schizo?
Yea I know but it doesn’t mean “increase heritability”. Heritability is the probability to the phenotypical expression….
People born and their heritability or estimative/probability’ of phenotypical expression finish.
“the chances of the random couple have a blue eyes baby is x%”
Even the use of identical twins (who are not clones) seems is not enough to estimate correctly heritability.
I can be wrong, absolutely. But someone need risk.
”you seem a lil bit schizo, it’s an attempt on artistic impression, or is something else at play?”
I don’t understand your question.
Exemplify and specify where i’m trying to do a ”artistic performance”.
“Again why do you think I’m autistic ot schizo?”
It’s self-evident
Surrealist
Your emotional or instinctive mode still on…
Self evident??
It’s possible diagnosed people just what they wrote or how they write??
I forget that you’re psychiatrist… Thank you, you remember me about it. 😆
Not a psychiatrist. I’m a nutritionist and personal trainer. Just stating my opinion.
”Just stating my opinion.”
Humble goy!!!
😉
Flynn effect in Brazil (Blanka–land)
yep, I used to live in a ghetto for 15 years with psychopatic, non-productive garbage like this
only involved in psychopatic games and direct physical violence, but doo dumb to even provide itself basic life needs
yep, I have even worked about a month with a psycho like this in a factory, he didn’t last….
I say beat this psycho with a hammer. To death. Before it lays it’s fucking sperm.