[The following is a guest post by Ganzir and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pumpkin Person]
Let us make the following assumptions to simplify an illustrative example, although they are unnecessary for such an effect to arise.
- Intelligence is normally distributed.
- Our model intelligence test item has an item characteristic curve, i.e., graph with intelligence on the x-axis and probability of solving the item on the y-axis, with a break-even point, i.e., the IQ at which 50% of people solve it, of 130.
- This item’s characteristic curve is symmetrical in that going X IQ points above 130 will increase your probability of solving the item by the same amount that going X IQ points below 130 will decrease your probability of solving the item. For example, a person with an IQ of 120 has a 35% chance of solving this item, which means that a person with an IQ of 140 has a 65% chance of solving it.
- Although people above IQ 130 might miss this item and people below 130 might solve it, the only determinant of whether or not a person solves the item is the probability on the item characteristic curve corresponding to their IQ.
If I am told that a randomly selected person solved this item, what is my best estimate of their IQ?
130?
Wrong!
If you said that, you committed the base-rate fallacy because you forgot that there are more people below 130 than above 130.
To calculate the answer, apply Bayes’ Theorem. Look that up if you do not know what it is (that is a good habit to learn; look something up yourself before asking someone else). In this problem, it will tell you that our general formula is to calculate A = B * C / D for IQ X, where
A = The probability that someone has an IQ of X (in this case, X = 130), given that they solved the item
B = The probability that someone will solve the item, given that their IQ is X
C = The proportion of people who have an IQ of X
D = The total proportion of people who solved the item
D is the sum of, for each IQ, the proportion of people who will solve that item at that IQ multiplied by the proportion of all people with that IQ. In other words, D is the sum of B * C calculated for every possible value of X. Technically this would be an integral, but we could treat it as a sum by doing the calculation for each IQ point, or each 5-point IQ range, or whatever division of the intelligence spectrum.
In a sentence, the formula A = B * C / D means that the probability that someone who solves the item has an IQ of X is equal to the proportion of people with an IQ of X who solved the item divided by the total proportion of people who solved the item. If that does not make sense, please contemplate it until it does. Venn diagrams might help.
Once you have calculated B * C / D, find the maximum value of A. That is your best guess of the person’s IQ.
Why is this important? Because if you have an item for which the break-even point is far from the average and for which the item characteristic curve is (informally speaking) not close to flat around the break-even point, then the maximum value of A will be closer to the center of the IQ distribution than the break-even point is. If that sentence was a bit much to digest, someone who scores really high on a test, or solves a really hard item, probably has a lower IQ than almost everyone would think!
Allow me to demonstrate on our example item, with the help of <a href=”https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQtable.aspx“>this chart</a>. A very, very rough estimate of D is the sum of the following:
- Proportion of people with an IQ of 120 * Proportion of people with IQ 120 who solve the item
- Proportion of people with an IQ of 130 * Proportion of people with IQ 130 who solve the item
- Proportion of people with an IQ of 140 * Proportion of people with IQ 140 who solve the item
I calculated the proportion of people at each IQ level by, with numbers from the table linked above, subtracting the proportion of people at IQ X from the proportion at IQ X+1. Now we plug in:
- 0.0105 * 0.35 = 0.003675
- 0.0034 * 0.50 = 0.0017
- 0.0008 * 0.65 = 0.00052
(Please do not bitch to me about significant figures. There is no need to bother with them here, and to how many decimal points I calculated the proportion of people at each IQ is arbitrary and irrelevant.)
What do we learn from this? If everybody with an IQ of 120, 130, or 140 attempted this item, and one of them were randomly selected, the probability that they have an IQ of 120 is 0.003675/(0.003675+0.0017+0.00052), which is about 62%. Even though the item “nominally” discriminates at 130, the majority of people who pass it have an IQ of 120!
This is a contrived example calculated with very generous assumptions, but my point, which stands even in the real world of non-spherical cows, is that a person who does one thing that seems to indicate exceptional smartness is probably not so exceptionally smart. The “Ganzir Effect” applies to reality as well as intelligence tests, which should be understood in the context that an intelligence test is only worthwhile insofar as it predicts real-life performance.
A concrete example of the Ganzir effect
I can give you a concrete example of this effect from the Mega Test norms:
The fourth column gives the percentage of testees in each six-point range who solved problem 36 (three interpenetrating cubes), the hardest problem on the Mega Test. Only the range 43-48, where 8 out of 13 candidates solved this item, exceeds its break-even point. However, from the third column, we find that 87 people solved it. Even though candidates in the ranges 37-42 and 31-36 were much less likely to solve the problem, 25 people in 37-42 did and 23 people in 31-36 did. If all I know is that someone solved the three cubes problem, it is almost three times as likely that they scored in the 31-36 range, i.e., high Triple Nine to low Prometheus, than in the 43-48 range.
Pumpkin Person 
I actually want to strangle Sam Seder every time I see his face. Even when I was more liberal and unaware of the JQ his mannerisms and face irked me.
Is it just their behavior in an empirical sense or do I really have an in-built hatred of subversives gifted to me by my ancestral memories?
Not every jew does this to me but a lot of them. I even remember one awhile back when I was in my teens and posting on a gaming forum. Just his manner of speaking, I could tell, was something inherently different from mine.
It was almost like he reflected many of the worst aspects of myself as well, and was a sort of limit as to where my personality would go if I were to completely give myself to some of the dark triadic traits I possess in a lesser degree.
ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN SAVED BTW. (and will be reposted if necessary.)
religion is like frogger.
peepee: you sound like a cray cray person n shit!
right! the video game Frogger is a lot like religion.
peepee: how?
have you played Frogger?
peepee: no-o-o-o-ooooo! (i’m a girl and video games are icky boy stuff.)
EXACTLY!
if you’ve actually driven in manhattan traffic…
has peepee?
Seinfeld was filmed in LA. even the diner was an LA diner.
btw, what does peepee say of the movie Diner?
reminds me of Thirty Something.
it’s kind of pathetic how gen X had the last gasp of culture and all subsequent generations are BRAZIL.
PUT ALL YOUR MONEY IN CHINA!
peepee: dramatically overrepresented n shit.
let’s see. top selling albums ever. how many jews or bands with any jews?
40 million copies or more 0%.
30-40 million only one dire straits. but knopfler is only half jewish.
if peepee said jews are or were overrepresented among classical musicians she might be correct. but not among composers.
they were also represented among non-black jazz musicians. jazz is more dead than rock.
in this case pill is correct.
top selling singles ever? no jews.
just because jewish media promotes half good jewish musicians doesn’t mean people like them. so naming so many jewish musicians is meaningless. bob dylan is ridiculously overrated.
i thought glenn frey was a jew because frey is sometimes a jewish name. nope.
one jew behind a famous song i learned of recently is donald fagen.
as far as talent goes in the entertainment industry jews are overrepresented among comedians. still.
porn? maybe. but this is exaggerated by nazis.
btw, as you know, i like lou reed.
i used to like simon a little.
and i like some of the ramones songs.
i like the song rehab.
but does this make jews dramatically overrepresented?
no.
recall. at one time jews were 5% of americans. so you’d expect 5% of great musicians to be jews. and it’s not far off.
very not like nobel laureates, chess players, hedge fund/private equity fund managers, movie producers, etc….
musically ability is impressive. very. but it seems it isn’t g-loaded at all. there are very smart pipo who can’t do it at all.
i was a very good singer. i was recognized as such by my music teacher. but i couldn’t play an instrument. i hated it. it’s mostly just manual dexterity and infinity practice. i flunked.
Blacks dominate rhythm music so that puts a ceiling on how g loaded it can be. On the other hand Jensen noted that students at an elite music school, selected solely based on musical talent had an average IQ around 125. That’s similar to how Harvard students score when tested on tests not used to select them. Jensen feels conductors are men of extraordinary intelligence. The musicians in the band are probably 115 he felt, but the conductors are very exceptional. Jensen himself was a conductor before becoming a giant in psychology.
pill is just wrong
jewish people have emotions
That’s understood Cat. Reminds me of when my family was in the U.S. and my dad got pissed off because an add for some event said “people of all races welcome”.
Or when Dr. Phil told a single woman “and i’m not one of those people who thinks you need a man to be happy” to which Oprah snapped “well we HOPE you don’t believe that Phil!”
Or the time I was at a bar and the bartender told me “you’re always welcome here”. That made me feel UNWELCOME and I never went back!
DUMBASS!
music school students are OBVIOUSLY gonna score high.
GREAT MUSIC != GREAT STUDENT of music
DUH!
DUH!
DUH!
(obviously music qua academic subject require a high IQ. OBVIOUSLY!)
qua making great music it DOES NOT!
irish pipo making fun of irish pipo using a jew!
singing is a you can do it or you can’t. no amount of STUDY makes ANY difference.
liam’s own brother can’t sing like THAT!
No that’s not the point. Here’s his exact quote:
The children who attended Yehudi Menuhin’s school for
musically talented students and had been selected solely on
the basis of their demonstrated musical talent on some
musical instrument, for example, had an average IQ of 127.
Does anyone want to bet that you could find a concert
violinist or pianist with a low IQ? The talent without the g
ingredient to go with it results at best in an idiot savant kind
of performance, not a “musically intelligent” performance.
The same goes for art, and most probably dance, although
that has not been tested, to my knowledge.
Back in my day, we called that a conflict of interest
I am a Jew. Hath not
a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,
senses, affections, passions? Fed with the
same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to
the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not
bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you
poison us, do we not die?
The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, scene 1, lines 57-65
Puppys VIQ in the toilet as usual. A formal musical school only attracts upper class people. Most of the instruments working class people never even heard of. And Mugabe is correct that having a degree in music or studying music academically is not the same as being a good composer or player.
Music is not G loaded. Its obvious because we know blacks are the best at it. They invented multiple genres.
Its linked to schiz.
So I guess jensen’s verbal is in the toilet too since I quoted him directly
A formal musical school only attracts upper class people.
Good point but that still doesn’t explain why they averaged 127. Even upper class kids are nowhere near that smart on average. Obviously playing an instrument well is substantially g loaded, though less technical musical skills may have lower (but still positive) g loadings
infinity practice = an example of why it’s unfair to measure musk by his purely intellectual accomplishments even if he is a dummkopf BECAUSE even purely intellectual accomplishments take a lot of work no matter how smart you are and a lot of work requires a lot of focus on one thing for a long time AND a lot of smart pipo, just like pipo in general, don’t or can’t do that.
for example: gregori perelman is reckoned a genius because he proved the poincare conjecture. but only after working on it for years = a long time.
so why do some smart pipo choose to work for a long time at one thing and others don’t?
answer: they don’t! it’s not a choice. that’s not the way humans work except in an autistic economist’s imagination. perelman worked on the poincare conjecture because he like working on it so much he didn’t care whether he’d ever prove it. this is human nature.
even purely intellectual accomplishments take a lot of work no matter how smart you are
Which is why IQ tests need time limits. Without time limits they start measuring personality traits (typical intellectual engagement) and not ability. Musk is probably extremely high on TIE.
which is why you make no sense.
and are gay and retarded.
sadly ALL IQ tests have time limits.
and peepee is RETARDED!
They all have de facto time limits. They do not all have de jure time limits.
I’m sure persistence is a source of score variance on these tests, but I have to disagree in general. I could work on the Titan Test for a thousand years without tying Rick Rosner’s perfect score.
What if we gave you 40,000 years? With enough time maybe everyone would score perfect on the Titan. The mean time might be 100,000 years with an SD of 20,000 years making Rick +5 SD.
I see what you are saying, and I will give you an experiment that I think will prove my point. I went to random.org and randomly generated these two numbers of twenty digits each:
83653929971298777119
11752848333476281324
Imagine you had to multiply these numbers mentally, without using any kind of external aids. No calculator, no pencil, no paper, not even finger-counting. If I gave you a month, a year, or fifty thousand years to do so, do you think you could do it? Would you be willing to bet $10,000 on the answer? Would you be willing to bet your life on the answer? If your answer to all those questions is ‘no’, there is no point even discussing the sort of items on the Titan.
This is notwithstanding that, according to Cooijmans, people in the sub-100 intelligence range are often unable to get one problem right on any of his tests, or even understand how to fill out the registration form for his tests.
a thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters will eventually write a Shakespeare play
but that’s not the kind intelligence we would consider as real
Because it’s not intentional.
Intentionallity can be part of it but intentionallity cannot increase ones problem solving capabilities past certain points.
no matter how hard I intend I cannot do what some people can such as people who can rotate 16+ objects in 3D at the same time (Weinstein the string theorist) I barely can do 3 to 4
so people that solve titan problems most likely do so in a short time who have incredibly Large working memory.
as Ganzir said people below 100 most likely don’t know how to fill out the paperwork to try the test in the first place.
working memory is why monkeys need type writers as they can never do it without random chance
so some kinds of intelligence do have limitations on problems they can never solve
a ninja dog could fight expert humans and be better / smarter but that dog would need to be a special kind of dog outside the norm 🐶
answer: they don’t! it’s not a choice. that’s not the way humans work except in an autistic economist’s imagination. perelman worked on the poincare conjecture because he likeD working on it so much he didn’t care whether he’d ever prove it. this is human nature.
peepee gets a D for editing.
sad.
MORE ALCOHOL!
The smartest person I ever knew vowed never to drink a drop of alcohol and said or ignore this warning and we’ll see where you are mentally by the time you’re 50.
A young man wanted to learn a trade, so he went to a tradesman and asked how long it would take for him to become a master. The tradesman said, “Ten years.” The young man said, “I am very talented and I am willing to work my butt off!” The tradesman said, “Twenty years.”
A classic story that sounds like a stupid koan, but it is not. If your car is twice as fast, but your road is four times as long, it will take you twice as long to reach the end.
infinity practice = an example of why it’s unfair to measure musk by his purely intellectual accomplishments even if he is a dummkopf BECAUSE even purely intellectual accomplishments take a lot of work no matter how smart you are and a lot of work requires a lot of focus on one thing for a long time AND a lot of smart pipo, just like pipo in general, don’t or can’t do that.
for example: gregori perelman is reckoned a genius because he proved the poincare conjecture. but only after working on it for years = a long time.
so why do some smart pipo choose to work for a long time at one thing and others don’t?
answer: they don’t! it’s not a choice. that’s not the way humans work except in an autistic economist’s imagination. perelman worked on the poincare conjecture because he liked working on it so much he didn’t care whether he’d ever prove it. this is human nature.
my computer program took over ten years to make
But other people I see have made things just as complicated.
not only do I think about what I want to do but I think that there is always a better way to do it
when I get ideas it makes me happy
like how I could do a.i. with quantum maths
first you need the idea
then it is possible
thinking is only good if you can put it together in your head as having it or otherwise I don’t want money or to be famous or to get things. They all are empty of meaning.
but if I can create an idea
then I am happy
resources might be needed
but they come second
but OBVIOUSLY pill personality (actually peepee) is inverted sexually and otherwise.
according to gary wills (high VIQ), buckley (high VIQ) was very serious about his religion.
do all orthodox jews have low VIQ? the opposite.
are all orthodox jews faking their religiosity? some are.
pill personality has convicted himself. he has said “i never said i didn’t believe in God.”
so he may believe in God but thinks religion is stupid.
what does he think religion is?
I define religion as irrational worship. Pill thinks Winfrianity is religion because he’s too racist and sexist to believe a black looking black woman is worthy of worship. Some Winfrians (those who believe in THE SECRET) are indeed irrational and thus religious, but I’d define myself as a secular Winfrian.
My brain started constructing a joke about you and Oprah before I even got three words in to the sentence after this.
I definied religion in a comment puppy mysteriously banned because he felt I was describing his mental state.
low VIQ religion is gross to a high VIQ person.
just as militant atheism is gross to a high VIQ person.
karl marx’s religious views were not what pill personality the fake marxist thinks they were.
sad.
marxism = liberation theology = catholic social teaching != current system
jesus was a marxist!
i agree religion is for the most part stupid and evil. but only for the most part.
as godel said:
Religions are, for the most part, bad, but religion is not.
i’ll watch later
but yes you can be stupid at religion
when people get killed because of “Marxism” whatever this is bad
i ware glasses, and I don’t like how they treated them in Cambodia
1984 double speak is bad
its what they did to turn people on each other (teach people that the middle class is bad, and anyone else they dislike)
“the capitalist is bad, I will tell you who they are so you can stop them – secretly brainwashing people to kill innocent people” – bad religion
The video was short but yes I heard most of it.
marx wanted a better society
not everyone does
change is always happening
paper let’s people do better maths
so do computers
materials change society
alienation exists
but we cannot have someone as a great leader do what needs to be done to change things for better and not even groups working together
keeping in tune with ideas still matters
because people need something to do physically but also mentally
–
child development as example
safety food shelter community
but that’s all at the bottom
yes we may be able to give everyone those things but at the top people need more (what is the thing we need most, purpose)
so it seems kids need this more or they would not be in school
give kids more than jobs
they need life goals
but not from the 1950’s 9 to 5
something else?
but again that seems wishful
we don’t have a communist money system the way Marx in visioned
where people paint and write poetry
everyone is different
has a different dream
9 to 5 ain’t that bad sometimes
or bowling
?
studies show past a point money don’t buy happiness (on average)
but poverty doesn’t help either
people still want to build and bake and research things interesting
not sit and watch tv all day
but this is the thing…
the very idea of “irrational belief” is itself a religious idea.
religious in the sense that it is an ideological term, a term in a verbal system of seeing things, the world, reality in toto.
and it is subject to criticism.
rational vs irrational has a third term. superrational.
when pill personality convinces me he isn’t peepee i’ll explain what i mean.
real consciousness is distinct from false consciousness
you exist
so ratio in math terminology cannot explain color sounds smells tastes touch or many things that “rational” people reject
True religion has the aspects that we need to understand this. And not centered in a mystical way of total unknown things. Mystic things can feel good tho
did you know peepee is black?
did you know Mug of Pee is a liar?
I am a cat 😺
belief without understanding
sometimes yes sometimes no
to be genuine
the beliefs must connect to reality
hope for the good
trust the truth
Know faith to change
metanoia
also (as i’ve said) balcom gentile jacobs jew and this is the best version i’ve found. so jacobs jew made balcom gentile sound best.
one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever! ever! ever!
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jazz is totally dead. no one cares about any jazz past monk. and by “no one” i mean me and everyone.
rock has been dead since The Who disbanded and dis-band-ed. their last hit was very good though. (1981) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Better_You_Bet
since then there’s been Teen Spirit and Seven Nation Army. what else?
even when i was a little girl i RECOGNIZED that the BEST music was NOT contemporary,
NOT! we laughed at the kids who were in-to contemporary bands.
FACTS: AIDS came out officially in june 1981 in the MMWR. “free love” was dead.
COINCIDENCE?
turn UP the volume.
Rock (or related alternative genres) will always be the best music, at least to any red-blooded man in the modern era.
Jazz has some cool things going for but it’s a little too either corny/passe, or self-aware.
I feel as if modern music in general has been more self-aware than the past, because basically people are more self-conscious (in specific ways at least, something that is probably corresponding in some way to what the Flynn effect measured).
Interestingly, Jews seem also generally write overly self-aware music, and if it isn’t “self-aware” it flies too much in the other direction. You can’t fake something. It’s like someone intelligent pretending to be stupid or vice versa. Either you become the thing after awhile or you continue to perform it in a false manner and feel the inner turmoil of betraying your real self.
I guess when Jews make music or art that isn’t “self-aware” in some notable way, it is in fields that are inherently supposed to be intellectual anyway. So Spielberg makes his “masterpiece” cinema for the ages, and Donald Fagen makes a jazzy progressive rock tune.
Mugabe is a dumbass. Rock music was great in the 90s. Its called grunge or alt rock. Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and Radiohead’s first 2 albums. All classics. Better than the hair rock of the 80s. The classics of Queen/Led Z/Who I never really liked personally. Those songs never said anything to me. They was just songs to dance to
i had a professor of chemistry (in-organic) who also had a degree in music.
i asked him: wagner vs the karajan studio recordings?
he said: meh.
then i knew he was short and had a moustache. what his shortness and moustachio-ed-ness meant.
he’d actually done his post doc in germany. he’d even acquired a german accent.
NO! and NEIN!
pipo listen to wagner and think “wtf is all the fuss about?”
pipo listen to wagner and the berlin philharmonic and karajan and studio recording and…
“OMG! no wonder hitler was a nazi!”
believe it or not it’s EASY to tell the differnce.
(lesson: geniuses require geniuses to communicate their genius to non-geniuses.)
i apologize!
sincerely!
that wasn’t IT either!
where the fuck is this online? it was in the 70s. is this it?
NO!
NEIN!
that sounds horrible TOO!
no wonder pipo think wagner sucks.
WHERE’RE ALL MY QUESTIONS ABOUT WAGNER?!
liam gallagher is a very intersting person even though he’s a very boring person.
peepee: dasss a contradiction n shit in-n-it?
mugabe: NO! liam = trump. he’s never had to be anyone other than himself.
peepee: wuhduhdahuhhoo say?
mugabe: right! doctor who says that hitler may NOT have gone to hell and
sadly i suspect peepee is like my local 7-11 cashier. sad.
by this i mean peepee has been bombarded and brainwashed by (((the western media))) but tries to sell me sugar water when i insist on orange juice. because can’t tell the difference? fat mercans can tell the difference but patels can’t? WTF?
the point is: <b>[redacted by pp, 2025-03-11]</b>
sad!
regarding the evil shit propaganda peepee et al believe regarding drug addiction and alcoholism….
maybe peepee noticed. i stopped drinking for 40 days. and…
NOTHING!
BECAUSE!
alcohol per se was NEVER the reason i drank.
so whenever someone says “you drink too much because you’re an alcoholic” you have yet one more anecdote that that person is RETARDED!
recall mugabe’s rules of punctuation. quotes should only include full stops if they are full clauses at the end of a sentence.
the funny thing is if peepee were actually half indian and not ASHAMED of it, she would recognize what ramakrisha did.
“jesus is God” peepee says is “white trash”.
“atman is brahman.”
“krishna is atman.”
“sufism = vedanta.”
“meister eckhart = ramakrishna.”
The Golden Child said…
there are “special pipo”.
AND special animals!
When is PP going to talk about the monster Shohei Ohtani and how good of a switch player (being a position player/batter and pitcher) he is with insane stats both offensively and defensively?
pp,
sometimes I get high g score but median fsiq
like currently maybe 125 for g and 110 the other.
i am not that good a judge but when I saw Apollo 13 the movie they had to do many things. That is to say average astronauts IQ is 135 I heard. Fighter jet pilot level stuff.
so it is something I come to think about is what can a 171 guy do?
spatially, numerical, verbal, memory, mechanical.
i saw anime films
but I am not sure.
never saw Langan do anything in public, just talk.
good will hunting
180? It would be interesting because in seconds he does what the 140 prophesier did in months.
so in my mind I like to think about it
as to what they make on the fly
but I understand some better than most because I do take interest.
2001 a space Odyssey
took ideas
so what is the idea
and I go that direction
i figure how to make a machine for quantum maths
if I have more time later
yet
I need still to help my family
got some vitamins today
and container bins to put family records in
as i’ve detailed many times the plight of some white saffers is very NOT funny.
carlson did an interview with a saffer recently and it seemed tucker dismissed him.
a little bit.
the PAIN of the homeless/trailer park white saffer is WORSE than that of the bantustan black IN THE SAME material circumstances.
neoliberal: but same material circumstances n shit.
mugabe: speak afrikaans to me LIAR!
BUT!
the 80s lakers are still the greatest nba team ever.
the 80s celtics second.
NOT even close.
Music doesn’t have an ‘iq’ component. If someone says that they don’t understand music. People literally just dream or conjure music on the spot in a certain emotional or mental state. Theres nothign cognitive about it. Which is why blacks are the best at it.
Most blacks can’t even read sheet music.
The other aspect of music as we’ve seen above in the debates is that its subjective. Not objective. Music speaks to people differently. Its true moden magic negro hip hop music is infantile compared to even 90s rap music, but it does speak to some people.
Music does have an IQ component. That’s like saying writing doesn’t have an IQ component because people just think of what they’re saying on the spot.
It takes memory to organize the notes and their interrelationship and processing and emotional complexity in one’s analysis of what is evoked by the music.
Of course you could argue that people are creating it without actually analyzing or evaluating it, but that’s really just luck or tapping into external sources.
For those reasons as well (and the type of emotions and their applicability certain music represents) I don’t think music purely subjective, but yes it has an element of subjectivity and relativity.
pill says black people could never invent music instruments so they can’t be good at music.
now he says they are best because of emotional rhythm
yet he also says they can’t be famous genuinely on their own by their own efforts to be good at stuff
he said will smith was IQ 70 something
i don’t trust pill to be consistent in his beliefs
Anime….I genuinely dont think youre able to read beyond the level of a 14 year old.
racism is wrong pill
justifying it with stupid logic makes it worse for you not better
The other thing thats not cognitive is imagination. If you notice aspergers people like Musk and Zuckerberg have zero imagination. Musk just calls everything X because hes obsessed with the letter.
If you ask certain people in this comment section to imagine ‘somehting weird’ theyll think about a comma in the wrong part of a sentence or something like that.
Again, imagination is linked to schiz. And its important for art or literature.
now musk is autistic?
geeze Louie’s
next he will say trump is autistic because he is not creative like Kamala Harris
i think pill only thinks about schiz on his terms ( meaning most of it is not true about schiz ) because he wants to be special in some way.
lots of normal people not schiz or autistic are creative and intelligent
the world is not a black and white category of those two things
it’s autistics who are said to lack imagination. Aspergers people have vivid imaginations and rich fantasy lives. Of course some argue that Aspergers is a type of autism but it’s a very divergent type if it is.
Picturing something weird (I pictured a green fire with the head of a green snake) is not a cognitive ability because as Jensen would say, it can’t be graded on a clear standard of proficiency. On the other hand if you ask someone to draw what a 3D object would look like if flipped over and turned 90 degrees, that’s an imagination task that can be objectively scored pass or fail and one on which North East Asians do better than White gentiles who do better than Ashkenazi who do better than blacks, most likely because the ability to rotate objects in your mind’s eye was most selected in cold climates where folks had to build shelter, fire, clothing, tools, and find their way around
Asperger’s do poorly on this type of imagination to the point of having a non-verbal disability.
I am good at taking things apart and putting them together. I can design things abstractly but I cannot draw even though I can remember if I saw something or not.
visual spatial has many areas in the brain that are connected so sometimes different areas can compensate. I can recognize faces I cannot see them if they are not in front of me.
mylination of those areas are the diving force. So maybe it is because I lack mylin in specific areas I can rotate but not draw.
visual areas have four parts
temporal lobe
Partial lobe
anterior (near the center)
and bottom of the brain
the last one is for faces
so generating images inside the brain is not the same as recognition because I can see things as they are and I know that milk is in the fridge so I still have food today but I am not aware of the colors in front of me of the fridge, I know where to go in many directions to get what I need and where I placed things. Space is not color.
remembering in space is something that the hippocampus and the basalgangilian do together by actions in the body, I remember doing this or that action and this tells me I have it in space.
pill thinks that because I don’t hear words in my head that I don’t think. I do because if I did not how am I writing this now? I mostly just use simple words in the abstract to reference concepts of what I need to think about. People to me that hear words in their heads are not conscious, most people don’t talk to themselves they have bicamreail minds, their brain narrates what they do like a robot being given commands.
I have realizations of what I need to think about in the subconscious that I listen to before I make decisions. I am not impulsive because I question what comes into my head unlike pill.
pill played too many video games so he is ever doing whatever pops in his head. He doesn’t stop and reflect on if he is correct or not.
reflection takes practice and making the mind quiet.
Then you can make judgements about if the thing you realize is true or the best thing to do.
It seems that people that don’t edit there minds can come up with fantastic things on the spot. But this is from constantly interacting with the environment. So it’s not g driven. Because g can take things apart and put them together with no external stimulus. Mine is small and it’s why I have a hard time developing ideas. It is frustrating to sit alone a long time and just think. But it is necessary if you need to deal with unknown variables. That is to say if you wish to accomplish a big task where everything is interconnected / having hierarchal dependencies on each other.
You make one part then another and another, eventually there are so many that you have to organize them all top down. That is when you cannot be impulsive anymore about getting the system to work as a whole.
visual spatial requires effective executive function then and I don’t mean you need to be concerned with if you are being creative or not. Creativity at large things is as important as creativity at small things. Autistic and schiz are not what you need to be concerned about. We could look at what people are creative at with mylination the basalgangilian and hippocampus amygdala etc as an entanglement system.
Computational neuroscience is what I hear is the latest way to conduct such research.
obviously social intelligence is yet another non g loaded type of intelligence. I could name people in this comment section that are the bottom 1% of social intelligence but test normal or abaove average on a Binet.
To you pill social intelligence is the loss of self control (learning what other people do by stupidity interacting with as many as possible, cocaine binge)
There is another way without loss of self control and that is simple observation along with emotional stability, not being pulled into everything your emotions tell you to do because then you get arrested or stabbed or worse (social reputation is ruined)
self awareness doesn’t need to be based on sensualist escapades.
just look at what people do
you can derive why they do it later
but not in the way pill does (anything that pops in his head is the truth lol) because he is wrong all the time and cannot accept it.
if you can see why you were wrong then you can adjust this in your emotional state. But pill thinks all emotions are true. They are not.
And
self awareness based on g
pill is wrong again
academics is a subset of g
because not everything is measured by the tests
if I am self aware I understand that all aspects of my intelligence exist, that is g
the tests are not constructed to test self awareness but if they were the their would be a positive correlation with general intelligence and self awareness.
tests don’t test for executive function either but that’s not to say EF is not g loaded, they would be.
pill lacks metacognition but in the general population it is g loaded
metacognition is part of self awareness, pill has only emotional self awareness and that’s faillable to a high degree.
You can also find people who suck at math and score above average on the Binet. That doesn’t mean there’s not a positive correlation in a random sample of people. There’s no such thing as a non-g loaded intelligence though some cognitive tasks have relatively low g loadings
“There’s no such thing as a non-g loaded intelligence “
False. Evidence is blacks.
pill you need to explain why the positive manifold doesn’t exist if that is the case
if you refer to black people having greater social intelligence
that is an environmental factor at play
if you are required to survive by group cooperation then the environment is very important to determining when that development happens.
exclusion from education at the extreme ends means you cannot survive by getting work in that way so you gravitate to what does.
i saw this in class where everyone that was social had more resources just by asking friends for help. But in response they stopped studying.
This means that only the alpha kids FSIQ 125 could survive without social stuff by academia and other such things.
intelligence has regions of equilibria it is not just about different kinds of intelligence but what you use it on.
a 130 person has almost no stress in school from academic studies and no stress from getting jobs with paperwork. Everything below requires social expenditures.
black people just happens to use all cognitive resources on social then when g is not going to anything else but that. Learning what the group wants, solving what the group needs as to its problems.
you always had it easy at g tasks so don’t know about what the rest of us have to go through.
Most of us use g to support our friends and family not play games all day, the trouble with me though is if I needed to make money it be difficult because the people I know don’t listen to me, they call me the smart kid but I cannot do paperwork as fast as the kids who slacked off because I cannot copy and paste what they do – memory systems are not all the same in everyone ( I always tried to understand not memorize ) cognitive resources go into different things. I solve different problems than others do. And my environment does not care about those problems even if I am good at them. But I am not an alpha intelligent person high enough to get past this and solve all the problems social and mechanical. Learning only happens sporadically so it is a mismatch but I need to learn anyway and why I am stuck on my phone and not in school.
don’t fear the reaper has a jew on guitar and backing vocals. eric bloom.
but its writer and lead vocals is a gentile apparently. surname is german and from nyc but apparently gentile. roeser.
Producer(s)
hahahaha!
lucas is the one gentile.
sad!
Mugabe what’s your favorite yeast-fermented carbohydrate based drink and why? Also do you fear the ethanol-induced Reaper?
What do you do when someone doesn’t have the same moral framework as you?
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That white girl who left Sam Seder speechless after basically saying, “yeah I’m racist who cares” is not someone you can negotiate with.
Some White Nationalists seem to erroneously believe that if they disregard the liberal moral framework that most conservatives argue under then they’ll start winning more debates, but what they don’t realize is, the only reason Republicans still exist is because of the deniable plausibility that they’re not racist.
Everyone knows that the real reason Republicans are against immigration, welfare, and free trade is because they’re racist and classist, but they’re able to trick their low-IQ supporters into thinking that there are logical and class-conscious reasons for these policies. If they go full mask off, they’re going to lose a lot of support.
In the atheist debates from 2005 to 2015 – you could not justify yourself as an ex-theist against gays and women and all LGBT things with religious stuff anymore. So you needed other ways to do it. And that split the atheists groups.
So identity politics was born.
Which lead to Jordan Peterson replacing Sam Harris as the new freedom of speech advocate.
This blog is about IQ but as with any identity politics rr has made this about the consequences of what might be true not what is true. Melo aka Elmo bun knows intelligence is measurable and brains can be looked at to see this. But rr needs it not to be for to get rid of class division and stuff. But this is dumb because even if IQ tests go away (they won’t) class division will always remain. Elmo bun needs to realize that intelligence needs to be improved or people cannot get out of poverty (technology can do this) and stealing money from the middle class is not a solution. We need logistics not the lies of “culturalMarxism” against IQ tests.
You think I want to steal money from the middle class?
do you?
its hard to tell because most Marxism I know about is about eating the rich and those people in the academia who are culturalMarxists target the middle classes as the rich to be eaten. Look at Russia Cambodia all the places people used Marxism. In America to destroy the rich capitalists the academia Marxists are targeting the middle class as the linchpins of Capital.
No we think you’re too stupid to realize that your anti-White ideology leads to the death of the middle class under an oppressive ssive centralized power structure.
” I know about is about eating the rich and those people in the academia who are culturalMarxists target the middle classes as the rich to be eaten. “
Bruh what? Where do you get this shit from?
republicans still exist because of having to do with the brain structures that get created living in the rural areas of the USA
this happens in China as well when people in the cities vote differently
you need more visual information processing in the countryside less verbal and that’s working class labor vs paperwork people as well.
or then you see that’s the deal
brains shape personality
work with things vs work with words
cubicles create certain kinds of people
factory workers in big open spaces need a representative system for them but so do cubicles people in small spaces
suburban people are in-between
The amygdala is bigger on the right side because vigilance is a feature of looking at open spaces and body control there.
Anterior cingulate cortex is about detecting tiny mistakes.
The first is externally focused the second internal.
That’s what the environment does to you.
But variation is still more complicated that this.
I am not an expert but in simple terms it is about confidence in what you know how to do. Flexibility vs inflexible but at different things.
If you know what you are doing then the amygdala is important. If you are learning something new the anterior cingulate is important. Knowing what you are doing requires listening to authority because they survived longer than you have existed in open spaces. Learning then is different but still there. You are not trying as many new things. And that is why the variation can be great between and within liberals and conservatives.
Here’s the reply you wanted
Thanks Lurker, I appreciate that.
Melo is so fucking dumb he hasn’t even entertained the possibility that racism is moral and a sign of high intelligence. Hahaha. CNN for me, but not for thee!
A twisted morality in pills case.
No pill,
Racism is not a sign high intelligence because not all high intelligence people are racist.
Ass backwards ( face palm )
^^^Autism
pill: autism is not racism
what a clown
The way pill and rr are in cognition are similar then?
Appeals to authority
Their own or outside
Mel Gibson
Or
Fodor
?
In 2008 I told the older blind man that I had read Richard Dawkins book and he was like, so now he is your authority right? Not the Bible?
That really pissed me off.
Not stupid, if he says stuff I evaluate it for correctness or incorrectness, I don’t blindly follow it.
People like him think everyone is brainwashed and should follow them not the other cult leaders instead.
Pill and rr are so similar
I would say RR and Anime have a similar level of VIQ and ability to understand symbolic notation.
and that would be below your VIQ at your age
140 and 40+ years old
inferiority = autism
(angry face)
I would say both of you are at the level of a normal 15 year old
christianity is merely the idea of the avatar entering abrahamic religion.
saying “jesus is God” = white trash is saying christianity is white trash.
BECAUSE jesus was from the very beginning not just another prophet or the last prophet. he was God incarnate. this is NOT a later development like all the mary shit. THE EARLIEST CHRISTOLOGY IS THE HIGHEST.
peepee: what does it mean for a man to be God?
“hypostatic union” is a term peepee has never heard of.
and the guitarist slash is also NOT jewish. he’s half black, half english.
Good point. Also I think the whole band is underrated. Unless Slash wrote all of the guitar parts and arrangements and other parts etc., Slash just kind of gets all the attention (and Axl Rose). It could be that I just can’t appreciate Slash guitar solos since I grew hearing them and it’s like hearing the national anthem or something cliche, holding no emotional resonance to me. They’re good but there are plenty of great guitar solos in many other band’s songs.
it’s not a good point. i heard that he was half jewish. and he’s not. i don’t like his band at all.
marc bolan of t-rex was half jewish. t-rex is referred to in that who song.
but in general jews are not dramatically overrepresented. peepee just made that up and then claimed it as a fact because ridiculously evil racist person.
jews are also NOT overrepresented among visual artists.
I would think not. Their spatial IQ is below the White Gentile mean.
Watching neoliberals cry over the tariffs is very satisfying indeed.
Obviously the reason Puppy cant write fiction (except when doing IQ estimates of blacks) is autism.
Obviously the reason pill can’t write fiction (except for gay porn) is he confuses it with reality
LOL
MP calls for inquiry into labelling of black pupils as ‘educationally subnormal’ | Education | The Guardian
LOL
I read this this morning and spit out my coffee
‘80 years of lies and deception’: is this film proof of alien life on Earth? | SXSW Film | The Guardian
Proof of aliens that puppy denies. Puppy thinks evolution only happened to humans. And only until humans became erect lol. What a jew puppet.
Intelligent aliens might have evolved but they’ve never visited earth. Elites are getting desperate if they’re playing this card but lucky for them there are enough gullible Zionist puppets like you who will give it legs
So you think in a universe multi billion years old (a) no life evolved outside earth and (b) they never evolved intelligence.
Why are you so religious?
A lot has to go right to evolve intelligent life. You need a planet with water that’s the perfect distance from its star. Too close you get constant fires. Too far and it’s a frozen tundra. And then you need an incredibly rare chemical reaction to create biogenesis and then you need the planet to stay stable (no meteors or solar flares) for many billions of years, and then even if you’re lucky enough that a technological civilization evolves, you have to assume it masters interstellar travel before it nukes itself into extinction and then you have to assume it exists at the same time we do and somehow finds Earth & decides to visit it when it could just monitor us from afar. Even on Earth, the only known planet where everything is perfect for life, biogenesis has only happened one time in 4.5 billion years.
The low IQ analysis is that mugabe and puppys religious beliefs are ‘equally nonsensensical’ when qualitatively, they are not.
Believing in jesus christ is something billions have believed fervently for hundreds of years. Even high IQ people like Newton and Godel and others on the spectrum.
But believing in magic negro is….well only people with weak moral and intellectual foundations do that. Before the 1960s, people believed the opposite. Including blacks.
So its not correct to say the 2 religions are equally dumb.
Hinduism, Taoism, Mormonism or even scientology are more logically rigorous and empirically aligned then magic negro.
Even if you think Magic Negro is morally great, then the internal validity is weird. For example, you have to believe mixed race whites need to tell their white parent to pay reperations to their black parent and so on. Or if you accept that blacks have 20% white ancestry, that blacks need to do a 20% tax to ‘pure blacks’ who are usually immigrants fresh from the jungle.
Believing there are intelligent people in the black race, just like in every other race is not magical thinking. What the hell is wrong with you?
So pill accepts people believing in a literally magical Jew (one who walks on water & returns from the dead), but thinking there exists a black person who can qualify for Mensa? That’s magical thinking. LOL! What a slave to the ethno-economic power structure. Maybe people were right about the Irish being inferior.
Notice the way Puppy deleted his comment endorsing Will Smith in Mensa. Interesting.
No I stand by my claim that his SAT scores equated to an IQ of 130+. Do you stand by your claim that he is mentally retarded?
Yeah Krugman might be right. Maybe trump has gone insane a bit. I thought he was trolling but I think hes actually serious about Greenland, Panama and Canada.
Look, only crazy people are willing to think outside the box. Bombing cartels in Mexico makes sense. Using Guatanamo to hold immigrants makes sense. Making peace with Putin makes sense.
But a sane person would never even have entertained these good ideas.
“you need more visual information processing in the countryside less verbal and that’s working class labor vs paperwork people as well.”
Cat actually makes a good observation here. Country folk are definitely more likely to lean non-verbal.