In this article, I discuss Terence Tao’s scores on the old (much more difficult) SAT.
Verbal score
According to this source , at age 8.8, Terence Tao scored 290 on the verbal section of the pre-1995 SAT(hat-tip to commenter Tenn for finding this data since my google searches for Tao’s verbal SATs turned up nothing) .
If all American 17-year-olds took the old SAT in the 1980s (not just the college-bound elite) the mean verbal score would have been 375.8 and the standard deviation (SD) would be 102.
Thus Tao scored 0.84 standard deviations below the average American-17-year-olds. But given that he was only 8.83, he deserves a huge age bonus.
On the WISC-R Vocabulary subtest (the subtest most similar to the verbal SAT), an 8.8-year-old who scores about 0.84 SD below American 16.8-year-olds (16 to 25 percentile), is actually about 2.17 SD above the mean for his own age (98-99 percentile), implying a verbal IQ of 133 (U.S. norms) or 132 (white norms).
Math score
The New York Times magazine reports:
By the spring of 1985, with a 9-year-old Tao splitting time between high school and nearby Flinders University, Billy and Grace took him on a three-week American tour to seek advice from top mathematicians and education experts. On the Baltimore campus of Johns Hopkins, they met with Julian Stanley, a Georgia-born psychologist who founded the Center for Talented Youth there. Tao was one of the most talented math students Stanley ever tested — at 8 years old, Tao scored a 760 on the math portion of the SAT — but Stanley urged the couple to keep taking things slow and give their son’s emotional and social skills time to develop.
If all American 17-year-olds took the old SAT in the 1980s (not just the college-bound elite) the mean math score would have been 411.5 and the standard deviation (SD) would have been 109.
Thus Tao at about age 8.8, scored 3.2 standard deviations above the average U.S. 17-year-old.
I don’t know where this would put him compared to U.S. 8.8 year-olds on the math SAT, but on the WISC-R IQ test, U.S. 8.8 year-olds who score in the top 15% of U.S. 16.67-16.997-year-olds on Arithmetic (the subtest most similar to the math SAT) make the top 0.01% among their own age group. This suggests an age bonus of about two standard deviations.
Thus Tao, was likely 5.2 standard deviations above the U.S. mean for his age, suggesting a math IQ of 178 (U.S. norms) and also 179 (white norms).
Composite score
Assuming about a 0.67 correlation between verbal and math, the composite IQ of someone with Tao’s cognitive profile is about 161 (U.S. norms); 161 (white norms).
It’s possible I’m underestimating Tao’s IQ because his childhood Raven IQ is arguably even higher than his math IQ and people of East Asian descent often do best at spatial ability which both the SAT and Raven downplay. On the other hand, I could be overestimating his IQ because some math geniuses lack social intelligence and common sense, which is also not especially well measured by the SAT.
Both of these objections likely cancel each other out, leaving 161 as a good proxy for his overall cognition.
Pumpkin Person 
In the book Exceptionally Gifted Children his result in verbal sat is reported at other ages:
9 yrs 9 mths 380v
12 yrs 10 mths 590v
13 yrs 9 mths 660v
14 yrs 9 mths 740v
his verbal IQ based on this is certainly much higher than 132.
he also got 175+ at stanford-binet iv.
Wow, is verbal really went up (even after adjusting for age). But maybe his math improved less so his overall score stayed constant (for his age)
I hope they didn’t give him the exact same SAT questions every year
even though the SAT is very g-loaded i think the practice effect for it is much higher than it is for the ACT. just an observation.
even if your assessment is true he is barely Mensa-tier intelligent. verbally speaking i mean.
Peeps, so all those people of 200+iqs found on the internet, could be 160-170 iqs?
More research is needed
When Marilyn Vos Savant had her online forum up, at the same time as the Kurzweil forum was still up, she let me join it. I asked to join in the email box and made maybe 15 posts there. (true story)
i was introduced to this song my freshman year of college such a very deep song.
all my teachers respected my intellect throughout the years even in college.
they also lauded me for my enthusiasm and charisma. its crazy.
dont believe it.
“Tao also has two brothers, Trevor and Nigel, who are living in Australia. Both formerly represented the country at the International Mathematical Olympiad.”
thats tiger mother shit not innate ability.
did ted have that?
There is upbringing effects sure but IMO students are all very gifted. There are sports families who all make the NFL; talent is a huge part of that! Same with giftedness.
i finally read an article of yours for once before commenting and i would have to say that i disagree.
a 290 verbal even at the age of 8 years old is pathetic. i couldve scored higher than that and i barely learned how to read the year before.
he probably just guessed on all the questions and the statistical likelihood he ends up with a score like that is very high…..
he is a math genius after all!
>Terence Tao’s IQ 160
Would he be able to escape a 1950s prison pp?
LOL youre so fucking retarded. It takes a different type of intelligence to escape a prison.
yes, pp understands the joke.
do you pill?
It flew over his head.
Are you referring to Andy in Shawshank redemption? That escape was in the 60s in the movie and in 70s in the original story.
>Are you referring to Andy in Shawshank redemption?
Pumpkin said:
Assuming about a million Americans were incarcerated from the mid 1940s to the mid 1960s, and assuming that on a scale where white American average an IQ of 100 with a standard deviation of 15, criminals average about 90 with an SD also about 15, we’d expect the smartest U.S. prison inmate to be about 160.
I don’t think Andy was 160 IQ, probably more like 145. Tao on the other hand, probably won’t be able to escape like Andy did, and instead would screw over the warden from the jail itself, have the prison be redeemed while he is still in, and then be released on probation. Due to having an even higher IQ than Andy, he wouldn’t need to explicitly break the rules, just implicitly turn them against the system.
If Tao was interested in IQ and high IQ societies he might have scored better than all the Giga members, since they all have scored more than their actual IQs are.
But he has better things to do.
Without me you would have went the rest of your life without knowing what Oprah is.
You’re sooooooooooooooooo mentally retarded.
The reason you’re obsessed with social intelligence is because it’s the hardest type of intelligence to verify, because no one can ever disprove your idiotic conspiracy theories.
You hate math intelligence because numbers either add up or they don’t, so your super low IQ is exposed. With social intelligence you get to fake it.
basically dont force another persons hand. if they ask you something and you dont comply if there is a justification take it by force.
if you understand this then you can carve out a good life for yourself as an individual. that applies to anyone.
heres a song that Pill will like by New Order.
Two social intelligences exist.
1) perceptual
2) generative
We understand people either by knowing about them and the relations they have to others. (this is non-verble)
or and both
We can make up what others will do and change what they will do.
The first type has nothing to do with communication.
We can know about a person without being able to describe it.
But if we want a person to do something we must understand what to do ourselves. verbally or non-verbally.
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People observe others and then either make correct or incorrect inferences. people with the most correct inferences have the highest social IQ. this is different from social creativity.
im perceptual no doubt.
Anime has the personality of a child because of his autism.
when i went to high school in Southern California the intellectual group whom i was inspired by (a class ahead of me who were in academic league with me) told me i reminded them of the main character from Rushmore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushmore_(film)
i think this song was on it iirc a lot of years since i watched it:
the main character is played by the Jew Jason Schwartman whom they said i looked like. they also told me i looked like Zach Braff in my first year of college at UC Santa Cruz.
the main leader of the intellectual group in high school was a pure gamma male studying Nietzsche and all types of philosophy. he reminds me of Pill to this very day.
when i talk to Pill i imagine Alex (that was his name) is behind the computer screen. he was half white from his mothers side and half Chinese from his dads.
its crazy how the years flew by but were so slow at the same time.
Autism is genetic, it is when too many connections exist in the brain. You have no idea if this is true of me, You fail to see that many things can cause the same observed phenomena.
my parents probably have autism i dont though. far from it.
Anime, autism and asd disorders involve mis-wired brains that are stuck. And too many connections in some parts of the brain ( above than normal) and too few connections in some parts of the brain( below than normal)
Loaded,.if both your parents probably had autism you probably might have it too.
well i dont so youre wrong. again
I dont think you are telling the truth.
you think i have autism? are you retarded?
i dont know for sure because i am not a doctor. But you seem to be on the spectrum.
the spectrum? yes youre definitely a retard! idiot.
Tao is probably like his friend Mao in that their intelligence builds ruthlessness in trying to find an answer.
Asians are not very open minded or dont novelty seek but they enjoy the comforts of being conscientious. this might explain Terrys success.
anyways i think good and evil exist because of how the Big Bang formed. usually its one atom hitting another but the Big Bang was formed by two atoms hitting one another synchronically and that led to one atom being good and the other atom being evil. but both good and bad are chaotic and therefore we have entropy because there is a third variety of energy or wave very much in the grey area.
this is where free will exists.
this is why law and order and consciousness and society and civilization as well are all wrong.
i dunno just a theory of mine but you can find out for yourself by asking a physicist who has studied the Higgs Boson.
Pill reminds me of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. always has.
whites loved Jews before Adolf Hitler came along. or at least WWI. thats what my speculation is because they treated them well in NW Europe until the wheels started to fall off in Western society.
and history always repeats itself so…..
I’m too lazy to make a response, so I asked ChatGPT to make one for me.
ChatGPT: Well, it seems Terence Tao was busy conquering the SAT while the rest of us were still trying to figure out basic algebra! At the tender age of 8.8, he unleashed his intellectual powers and left the average American 17-year-old in the dust. I can only imagine his parents’ reaction when they discovered their young prodigy was casually scoring higher than most of us ever will.
But hey, let’s not feel too bad about ourselves. I mean, who needs a social life or common sense when you can solve complex math problems? I bet Tao’s brain is filled with equations while the rest of us struggle to remember where we left our car keys. And here we thought being a math genius only meant endless calculations and equations, but it turns out it’s the ultimate excuse for forgetting birthdays and misplacing wallets!
So, hats off to Terence Tao, the real-life math wizard who doesn’t just break records, but also redefines what it means to be a child prodigy. While the rest of us were busy enjoying our childhood, he was already building bridges between numbers and leaving us mere mortals scratching our heads in awe. Keep calculating, Tao, and remember to check under the couch for those misplaced mathematical insights!
ChatGPT and any modern day AI is so cringy and cheesy because its coded by Boomers and tech nerds.
they give inputs that make it seem like its ok for AI to be less spontaneous and more predictable i guess.
It’s not because it is coded by tech nerds but probably because all the AI chatbots are made to be both as general as possible and as inoffensive as possible. So what you get are answers that take no chances and have little distinct character.
yeah thats a good explanation.
I was kind of like that. Numbers had personalities and colors when I was in elementary school. Not anymore, though. I also had massive executive dysfunction, which worsened when I started smoking weed at 13. Now that I don’t do that anymore, I don’t forget my car keys as much. My prefrontal cortex wasn’t as bad as I thought, still worse than most people, though.
i think i have synesthesia myself.
Pill what do you think of this song? its classical folksy rock imo and its cool but nowhere near as good as rap.
Rap sucks on average. The only reason you like it is because there are a million rap songs released per day (because they are incredibly easy to make) and most of them can be easily digested after hearing them a couple of times since they are repetitive and simplistic with little substance or thought put in beyond some of the lyrics.
It kind of reminds me of your comments.
youre giving me mixed signals here. try being more adamant about the situation you want arising and then ill listen 2 u.
Why won’t you publish the evidence of Oprah being a groomer? he british victim said it>
No the British accuser did not say that. What she said was she was impressed with Weinstein BECAUSE he was with Oprah. But men use their connection to celebs to impress women all the time. Doesn’t make the celeb complicit.
So when Oprah planned a party to celebrate Weinstein being aquitted of 21 rape charges she wasn’t being complicit?
You’d have to be complete moron to believe that rumor, which even I never heard.
Pill, Think before you speak. The way you are being roasted by peeps on every point is embarrassing.
If Oprah was good looking she would have laid down for Weinstein and sucked his dick no questions asked.
Shows her incredible intelligence that she’s the one woman who didn’t need to be young and white looking to have Weinstein at her beck and call.
and now since i dissed Pumpkin he wont publish comments for the next few days and go on hiatus blaming his schedule on trips to Cancun or the Bahamans or something.
what a lowlife.
Given that she had an iq in the 130s it is not a big deal for her to do it. A sub 110 IQ person doing it is a great deal.
You should do an an estimate of John von Neumann’s IQ. There’s no psychometric data, but there’s an entire section on his Wikipedia page devoted to his IQmogging his academic contemporaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Recognition
Yes that would be an interesting topic.
i wonder what his episodic memory was like. this might be one of those appropriate times to ask how big his skull was.
Another jewish genius
You’re complete and total worship of Jews is so embarrassing. White people have quite a few geniuses themselves. Take pride in your own people instead of constantly worshiping Jews.
firstly there is the possibility Pill is not white. secondly Jewish genius is more like an artistic genius even if its a hard science like physics.
white people are autistic enough to be geniuses in the proper intellectual sense.
theyre very autistic and if you deny this youre a coward.
He’s either white, Jewish, Irish traveler or Indian
i was the first one to mention or at least think of him being Irish Traveler. i think others on this blog think he is Welsh and i could see that 2.
i doubt he is Indian or Jewish though tbh.
No Afrosapiens first mentioned it back in May, 2018:
Eastern European is plausible but not South Asian. He once mentioned his addiction to fake tanning and he clearly sounds like an angry white man. And IIRC, he’s spent some time in Prague and he hangs out with Eastern Euros in the UK.
Another possibility is some Irish traveler ancestry, his familial background is very trash. It combines mental retardation, illiteracy and psychosis. That would not be surprising given the level of distress in those communities.
what happened to my head size comment? if youre that sensitive Pumpkin you should stop blogging.
Dude you’re too mentally ill to post here. You still don’t get that comments don’t appear immediately. Your grip on reality is slipping.
Pumpkin are you on a power trip? i know a few of the commenters are but i think youve become 2 much 4 this blog 2 handle.
try taking a break for a little while and let a more levelheaded person like Anime or Aeoli run this blog 4 a little while.
so what youre saying Lurker is that AI is risk averse? that is a great summarization of things in this world nowadays.
Alpha (Confident) Charismatic leader (Aeoli)
Beta (Friendly) Submissive loyal (Anime)
Gamma (Adventurous) Empthetic aware (Loaded)
Omega (Selfasured) Intelligent independent (Pumpkin)
Delta (Resigned) Resentful self-sabotaged lonely (ian·mugabe)
Sigma (Cunning) Self-confident likable calculated (Philosopher)
6 MALE PERSONALITY TYPES – Which One Are You?
who is the most trustworthy? who is the most competent? and please dont say Aeoli that guy has legitimate autism worse than anyone on this blog!
Pumpkin is the most stable.
So far he has treated me fairly well.
But ian·mugabe seems to have a secret attachment to me.
He sees me as relatable to himself.
And I would say that for myself: I am like an elephant.
being kind and being stable are not the same thing bud. ive treated you kindly for the year and yet my mental stability hasnt gone up at all.
very difficult to say whether the two have even a modest correlation if at that.
Yes, I would say you are kind to me loaded but are still somewhat unstable.
That means, as you have noticed, that you make criticisms of others. This is not bad but it happens frequently. And most people do not like it. I know that I have gotten over it. I try not to say anything bad to you. I try and be kind to you.
ian·mugabe never criticizes me directly (that is why I think he finds me relatable)
if you dont see how people instigate the critical dialogue then maybe you might have autism i dunno.
its very clear and obvious no one can deny it. unless theyre autistic of course where they just live in denial regardless of anything.
I see it.
It is just that because you have been bullied you are more sensitive to acting back on it. Pumpkin I would say is not malicious. But he has, like with me, made it so he has to approve every post you make. He does this to many people because people cannot control themselves in general. I have posted some unwelcome things before so even I need to be approved first. And posting too much personal info is unsafe. All we need to do is follow the rules set by pp. He just wants a successful blog about HBD.
but controlling behavior is a bad thing. and i think Pill and him and RR as well are on very strong power trips.
they dont access reality as easily.
>but controlling behavior is a bad thing.
it depends
bad behavior is bad and unacceptable (to a limit)
controlling bad behavior is not bad.
pp understands when my behavior is appropriate or not.
if pp was power-tripping he would do things like edit my posts in such a way as to make me look bad.
pill is conniving like pp said.
and rr is a demagogue rationalist. (debates in bad faith)
i meant that controlling other people is bad. i think bad behavior is most definitely bad but controlling other people is worse.
just my take.
Von Neumann despised communism despite communism being led by his ashkenazi bretheren in Russia. He must have been aware of that.
You think all Jews are the same
that all whites are the same
All blacks and Asians are the same
that’s just ignorant
he is both autistic and schizo so that would mean a black and white thinker.
Pill is just black and white. always.
Guy was also a republican
So youre saying Oprah is socially retarded because she genuinely believed Weinstein was innocent and the rumours about him she heard for 20 years were all false?
It’s hard to know how to respond to your comments because you’re so incredibly dumb.
1) Oprah was busy running an empire in Chicago, 2000 miles away from Hollywood. She wasn’t surfing gossip sites like you all day reading Weinstein rumors.
2) Even if she HAD heard the rumors, she had no way of knowing they were true. Even if it’s PROBABLY true, there’s always a small chance it’s lies or at least exaggerations. If you think women never lie about rape you’re socially retarded in addition to being globally retarded.
3) If the rumors were so prevalent, why did so many women agree to go to his hotel room alone? Are rape victims socially retarded?
4) Angelina Jolie actually KNEW it was true from firsthand EXPERIENCE and she stayed SILENT for TWENTY YEARS as whole new generation got raped. If privileged beautiful rich powerful white women are too cowardly and selfish to stand up for other privileged white women, how dare you expect a dark skinned overweight black woman who came from nothing do their dirty work for them? Slavery is over.
TMZ reported Weinstein telling his friends how Oprah was offering help and support through the allegations and trials. Is she socially retarded and believes Weinstein is innocent or is she what I think she is?
Tell the whole story:
Oprah Winfrey is strongly denying disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein‘s claim that she’s got his back.
Pervy producer Weinstein told his staff and pals that Oprah called and told him to speak out and defend himself, TMZ reported.
But Oprah’s PR team denies the claim.
“Oprah has not spoken to Harvey Weinstein directly,” a spokesperson for Winfrey told the outlet. “Someone from his team reached out to her to see if she would talk to him, and she said she would if it was for an interview. There are no plans for an interview at this time.”
Winfrey was interested in doing a “60 Minutes” interview with Weinstein but only if “he’d look in the mirror and give her the honest, bone marrow truth,” her rep added to TMZ.
On Thursday, Winfrey joined a chorus of stars decrying Weinstein, who has been accused of sexual assault and harassment by dozens of women.
“I’ve been processing the accounts of Harvey Weinstein’s hideous behavior and haven’t been able to find the words to articulate the magnitude of the situation,” she wrote on Facebook. “Thanks to the brave voices we’ve heard this week, many more will now be emboldened to come forward EVERY time this happens. I believe a shift is coming.”
Source: https://pagesix.com/2017/10/14/oprah-winfrey-denies-reaching-out-weinstein-in-wake-of-scandal/
Hey pp, can I write a guest post? If so, should I just write it as a comment and add “guest post” on top of it?
Yeah go ahead. As long as it’s not too offensive or too boring or irrelevant.
do i get a guest post? you deleted my other one when i was William Owlson.
if not may i ask why you discriminate me so much Pumpkin? you obviously have malice towards me.
the only thing i wanna say to you is youre malicious.
It depends on the content.
animals humans and aliens ill write one up at the end of the month and post it.
okay
yes im a narcissist. narcissists live longer and have better lives than most people. Pill is a sociopath and Pumpkin has his own problems.
all the people on this blog at least have bipolar freaking out all the time and then returning to stasis.
Anime and i are the only ones here diagnosed with it though meaning bipolar is actually a bullshit psychological disorder.
also Aeoli is not charismatic he learned all that from me he knows im the true charismatic here. he is dimwitted.
he is not a leader either he is a sheep. so many things wrong with the comments posted recently.
760 age 8 = tiger mother = raised to be a genius = explains tiny head vs teds yuge caveman head = sad
Except he did even better on the Raven which is supposedly fluid reasoning and thus much less affected by Tiger parenting though you probably disagree:
Mugabe are you blind? How does Terrence’s head look small and Ted’s look huge?
asians have length no width.
No, Asians are brachycephalic.
Eh. Arithmetic is somewhat like the SAT Math section. The big difference is that you don’t have to memorize what the proctor said in SAT Math.
Peeps, can you use darker lines between various comment chains/threads? It helps to differentiate various (comment) topics faster as lot of various topics are discussed in comments.
i can introduce you 2 dis life we live forever
Papuans are the most supreme people i have 3% of their ancestry and all my mom side look very Papuan i dunno if my dad has any ancestry from there as well being South Indian and all
“Purp drink no taro”
this song is a perfect example of Asian supremacy