Cro-magnons were the first truly human Europeans and have long been romanticized as the first truly modern humans, in part because of a Euro-centric bias, but also because they’re the people most associated with the Upper Paleolithic revolution and the replacement of the Neanderthals who had held our ancestors captive in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years.
They had wonderful lives, wandering through the forests of Europe as the seasons changed from summer to snowy winters, sleeping under the stars, exploring a vast uncharted terrain with a child-like awe of the unknown and rich mythology to explain it, vastly out-competing their only rivals the Neanderthals for food and shelter, and hunting so much mega fauna that they reached their full genetic potential for height and brain size, unlike the stunted malnourished people who would follow them once agriculture was invented. These were some of the happiest people to have ever lived and they did so in a true Garden of Eden, before tempted by the metaphoric apple into the “sin” that was agriculture. A “sin” we would pay dearly for.
But how intelligent were they? This is a tricky question because based on brain size, they appear a bit more intelligent than Europeans today, but based on polygenic education scores, they appear substantially less intelligent.
Brain size suggests Cro-Magnons had an IQ of 104
Over the 20th century, brain size, IQ and height in the developed World brain size has increased thanks to advances in nutrition and reduction in disease allowing us to recover the genetic potential not realized since the Upper Paleolithic, before agriculture had stunted us (Lynn, 1990). Despite brain size in 21st century America reaching an impressive 1418 cm3, (Pumpkin Person, 2018) it’s still less than it was 40,000 years ago, when brain size peaked (mostly in Europe) at about 1487 cm3 (after correcting for preservation bias). So it seems the remaining 69 cm3, shortfall (0.76 SD) is a genetic loss.
But why did genetic potential for brain size decrease 0.76 SD? Perhaps in part because genetic height in Europe decreased 0.5 SD (Piffer & Kirkegaard, 2024) and polygenic height scores correlate 0.64 with height, and height correlates 0.4 with cranial capacity (Rushton, 1992), then this fact alone might explain (0.5 SD)(0.64)(0.4) = 0.13 SD of the brain size decrease, leaving 0.63 SD (57 cm3) not explained.
Perhaps the remaining shrinkage can be explained by a genetic drop in muscle mass that paralleled the drop in genetic height, but until ancient DNA studies explore SNPs associated with lean body mass, this remains speculation.
Given the 0.4 correlation between IQ and brain size (Jensen 1998)(Gignac & Bates, 2017), this would predict an IQ loss 0.4(0.63 SD) = 0.25 SD or 4 IQ points since the Upper Paleolithic, suggesting Cro-Magnon would have scored an impressive IQ 104 if raised in today’s America!
Genetic education predicts Cro-Magnon had an IQ of 89
Although brain size may have decreased in Europe by as much as 0.63 SD (after adjusting for body size), polygenic education scores (EA3 PGS) seem to have increased from what looks like -1.63 in Upper Paleolithic Europe type areas, to what looks like about -0.2 in Medieval England to about +0.2 in contemporary England (Piffer & Kirkegaard, 2024) for a total increase of about 1.83 SD since the Upper Paleolithic. Given a correlation of 0.4 between IQ and polygenic education scores (Pumpkin Person, 2024), this suggests a gain of 0.4(1.83 SD) = 0.73 SD since the Upper Paleolithic (11 IQ points), suggesting Cro-Magnon would have scored IQ 89 if raised in today’s America.
Indeed when I recently asked Peter Frost what their IQs would be if reared in today’s America, he guessed “high 80s”:
Combining brain size with genetic education predicts Cro-Magon had an IQ of 93
If brain size predicts Cro-Magnons have an IQ of 104 (if raised in today’s America) and genetic education level predicts an IQ of 89, and there’s no a priori reason to think one prediction is more valid than the other, then the only reasonable solution is to predict their IQs based on both variables.
The multiple regression equation predicting IQ from brain size and genetic education is:
Phenotypic IQ gap = 0.37(phenotypic brain size gap) + 0.37(genetic education gap) (Pumpkin Person, 2024).
When this formula was tested on the 15 point black-white IQ gap, it accounted for an incredible 13 of the 15 points! (Pumpkin Person, 2024).
Now applying it on the gap between today’s U.S. whites and Cro-Magnon man:
Phenotypic IQ gap = 0.37(+0.63 SD) + 0.37(-1.83 SD)
Phenotypic IQ gap = +0.23 SD – 0.68 SD
Phenotypic IQ gap = -0.45 SD
0.45 SD = 7 IQ points and is equivalent in SD units to a one inch increase in within sex height over 40,000 years. Kind of trivial. On a scale where today’s U.S. whites scores 100, Cro-Magnon would have scored IQ 93, consistent with the sophistication of their drawings; when I objectively scored these on the draw-a-man IQ test, they clocked in at IQ 90, though the sample size was tiny (n = 2).
Although some evidence suggests adaptive evolution increased ten thousand percent in the last 40,000 years (Hawks et al, 2007). Europe only gaining 7 IQ points in 40,000 years suggests evolution more or less ended in the stone age, consistent with the punctuated equilibrium model. This is consistent with the emergence of brain genes peaking 55,000 years ago (Libedinsky et al, 2023).
Richard Klein states:
What happened 40,000 or 50,000 years ago was the last major change in the genotype. At least the last major biological change. Evolution continues, but the evolution that’s involved in making us capable of wielding this vast variety of cultures–that probably stopped around 40,000 or 50,000 years ago and there’s been no essential change since.
Stephen Jay Gould agreed , famously stating:
There has been no biological change in humans in 40,000 or 50,000 years. Everything we call culture and civilization we’ve built with the same body and brain.
Pumpkin Person 
When tested at age 12 I was 125, Reasonably my sister should have been tested around the same age (not age 9 because she is 3 years younger and it seems wrong to test that young) because she told me hers was 92 – She thinks me and my brother are geniuses.
The most recent score I got though was 103 – because PTSD can lower working memory and processing speed and the gap between some of the four indexes are above 40 points. My social economic status is about the level of 93, I had not direction in life so was not concerned about making money rather I like reading stuff on the internet also I helped people to much stay at my house. And I may have Avoidant Personality Disorder (Because of the PTSD) I stay in my room allot.
I think that a bell curve may have a smaller Standard Deviation for Cro-magnons, they may all be within the same range of IQ or they may have less people high on the right or left side of the curve. This depends on population density because spatial intelligence is brain size (like Neanderthals) and language is cultural and they did not have symbolic writing only spoken words.
Einstein had a very large head I think? He was good at spatial. But if he was born in the Cro-Magnon society he would have no culture intelligence. I wonder what his PGS would be? But people like him 160+ would be the ones to build monoliths and megaliths and pyramids. But as said that depends on the SD of high end intelligence of precivilizations.
I’ve been meaning to comment this for a long time. But Pumpkin do you realize the average cranial capacity for young Dutch guys is about 1655 CM3? Yet they don’t seem to be particularly genius.
Average head circumference according to the Dutch growth charts for guys is 58 cm. https://www.tno.nl/media/4754/njcx1.pdf
I got the cranial volume from this paper, looking at progression of cranial capacity with age in a Dutch sample. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811920303293
i think i read a paper somewhere that stated the cc for young Americans is also somewhere in the 1600 cc neighborhood
The study you cite measured cranial capacity using computer technology which gives very different results from the traditional method of filling the skull with mustard seed etc .
I considered that, but then why does that match up exactly with the formula you provided in an earlier post:
58^3 / 118.4 (i think it was) = ~1647
And why do most studies using MRI tech on older individuals show cranial volumes more comparable to earlier measurements ~1400cc
And at the very least the study i cite shows a pretty massive flynn effect for brain size in the age range studied:
https://postimg.cc/75WWpr6N
They demonstrated that this is not because of aging effects
I considered that, but then why does that match up exactly with the formula you provided in an earlier post:
58^3 / 118.4 (i think it was) = ~1647
That’s just the formula for calculating the volume of a hemisphere. It has not been well validated for cranial capacity.
For example, in the 1980s U.S. army, white men had a circumference of 56.7 cm & a LxWxH estimated cranial capacity of 1468 cc. but the hemisphere formula would say 56.7^3/118.4 = 1540 cc.
White women had a head circumference of 54.3 cm & a LxWxH estimated cranial capacity of 1263 ccm but the hemisphere formula would say 1352 cc, so at least for whites the hemisphere formula seems to be giving results that are 5 to 7% higher than the LxWxH regression formulas created by Lee & Pearson in 1904. Maybe the LxWxH equation is too conservative, but apparently it agreed better with mustard seed packers than mustard seed packers agreed with one another.
But maybe Dutch guys are also being inflated 5% so 1647 cc becomes 1647/1.05 = 1569 cc which would probably make the sex-combined Dutch around the same as Cro-Magnons.
And why do most studies using MRI tech on older individuals show cranial volumes more comparable to earlier measurements ~1400cc
And at the very least the study i cite shows a pretty massive flynn effect for brain size in the age range studied:
https://postimg.cc/75WWpr6N
They demonstrated that this is not because of aging effects
Brain size is a technique to measure IQ from 250 years ago and puppy thinks its the bleeding edge in IQ.
I assumed the constant contained some compensation for head shape somehow. I agree that a hemisphere of similar circumference is by no means guaranteed to approximate cranial volume well.
I do not believe the Dutch are unique in this respect. Most newer generations of west european decent people show head size in this ballpark. Dutch people are known for being tall so perhaps their HCs are larger than the rest. I regret not providing references here, I have seen this data but cannot locate it right now.
There’s evidence for a very strong secular trend in every european country see finland.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/07853890.2011.558519
Probably because of decreased lead poisoning from gasoline, less malnutrition. Which causes impaired brain growth and as such lower cranial growth.
The reason for bringing it up is, if the HC from males of these populations is indeed about 58cm, that would imply an anthropologically significant shift in brain size. The same would naturally be the case of females and people different decent, but it is convenient to compare the values of one group. The difference in volume is comparable to what is often cited as separating populations of humans, like you do in this article.
All I am saying is, with ideal environment there is probably a lot more potential in the average human than could be surmised from early studies on environmentally compromised humans.
When I said cavemen were closer to apes than men I was literally correct. The polygenic scores are in the high 60s.
Forgot to respond to this nonsense. Cro-magnon genetic education predicts an IQ of 89. Apes have IQs of 15.
Tapping the sign again.
“How can hereditarians show PGS/PRS causation?
This is a hard question to answer, but I think I have one. The hereditarian must:
(1) provide a valid deductive argument, in that the conclusion is the phenomena to be explained; (2) provide an explanans (the sentences adduced as the explanation for the phenomenon) that has one lawlike generalization; and (3) show the remaining premises which state the preceding conditions have to have empirical content and they have to be true.
An explanandum is a description of the events that need explaining (in this case, PGS/PRS) while an explanans does the explaining—meaning that the sentences are adduced as explanations of the explanans. Garson (2018: 30) gives the example of zebra stripes and flies. The explanans is Stripes deter flies while the explanandum is Zebras have stripes. So we can then say that zebras have stripes because stripes deter flies.
Causation for PGS would not be shown, for example, by showing that certain races/ethnies have higher PGSs for “intelligence”. The claim is that since Jews have higher PGSs for “intelligence” then it follows that PGSs can show causation (e.g., Dunkel et al, 2019; see Freese et al, 2019 for a response). But this just shows how ideology can and does color one’s conclusions they glean from certain data. That is NOT sufficient to show causation for PGS.”
The genetic education method is bullshit. The polgenic score showed high 70s according to your own blog. It goes up into the 80s with modern living.
So its the 70s.
Gorilla IQ:
gorilla iq – Search (bing.com)
Between 70-95.
Literally the exact numbers.
lol
RR, showing within family effects is the standard way to show causation, though they’ve only partly done so.
But the fact that genetic education correlates almost perfectly with the mean IQ of different races is strong evidence that they are tagging casual or causal adjacent genes.
TP, see the below. Koko was probably a fraud. And I thibj the PGS method is nonsense and their are many invalidating issues.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/12/08/the-worlds-smartest-man-on-koko-the-gorillas-iq/
PP, the challenge I set is standard in showing causation. Has that been done yet? What do you mean by “causal or causal adjacent genes”? That presumes that DNA sequences (genes) have a privileged level of causation over and above their necessariness in the overall developmental system, no?
The fact that by editing DNA, they can change an organism’s phenotype proves DNA is causal.
RR, prove that PP wasn’t subconsciously quantum entangled with your appearance when he chose picture for this article.
LOL I was thinking it looked like RR too
pp,
rr has some weird definition of causal that depends on his philosophical terms, so even your common sense definition does not work for him. remember my picture of the horse hoof and the human hand appendage? he will just ignore you or give some definition that refutes you.
Well from a scientific perspective DNA is causal. From a philosophy perspective, not sure. I’ll have to re-read his comment.
PP, there’s a distinction between “necessary” and “sufficient” causes. DNA/genes are necessary cusses but not sufficient causes. You should read Noble’s Biological Relativity argument and developmental systems theory arguments on the true role of DNA in biological systems, and not rely on false hereditarian interpretations of genes and what they do. (I don’t even think they have an understanding of what they do and how they work in the overall system like how DST theorists do.)
DNA/genes are necessary cusses but not sufficient causes.
I don’t think any well known HBDer has ever disagreed with that.
RR, Martinas Arias says epigenetics is just the genetics of genetics & he classifies epigenetics as genetic effects:
no genes = no proteins
some proteins come from proteins/proteins interactions (30 thousand genes but 100 thousand proteins) but overall biological systems cannot exist without proteins.
all proteins have magnetic quantum field shapes that interact with other molecule field shapes for chemical reactions to take place.
and by “hereidiatarian”, that is one word amoung many names (like IQ-ist and reductionist and non-dualist) rr uses as ad hominem against anyone who disagrees with him (it is a political tactic to discredit “enemies”)
damn it pp
“selfish gene” is a metaphor
The genes that exist, they exist longer if they are needed for survival. If a gene is not really used it disappears. The oldest gene in the world has been the most used gene for organisms to survive.
It is like we have to go back to debate on “natural selection” again. it is a metaphor god damn it.
it is a metaphor god damn it.
Of course it is. Why are you stating the obvious?
You do not remember when rr kept stating darwin was wrong pp? quoting all those anal philosophers about delta and delta tilda?
that is why
Post this one PP.
Epigenetic effects are spurred on by environmental goings-on. It’s not “just the genetics of genetics”—there’s something more going on. And if what you’re saying is true, then why would hereditarians, for decades, be arguing about genes “for” a trait? That’s SUFFICIENTNESS. If what you’re saying is true then they would accept Noble’s argument and the EES and reject Darwinism, their genetic reductionism.
“No genes = no proteins” “biological systems cannot exist without proteins”
Hey man it’s been a few months—have you read any of those references on genes yet (Baverstock, Richardson, Noble)? And it’s funny because hereditarians are the political actors. Also see the latest call to see Richard Lynn’s “political tactics” retracted.
What do you understand about the EES and how the EES understands genes in the overall biological system? DNA sequences (genes) are but one of the many interactants that make up the system. You should really read Susan Oyama, Denis Noble, Ken Richardson and Richard Lewontin on DNA and it’s role in the biological system.
https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/20/richard-lynn-racist-research-articles-journals-retractions/
(And we have around 19000 protein-coding genes.)
https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/23/22/5866/2900773?login=false
“The oldest gene in the world has been the most used gene for organisms to survive.”
Source? That’s just repeating the false claim that anything that’s still around is still around for a purpose—a kind of Panglossianism.
And the “selfish gene” isn’t a valid scientific hypothesis.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36325930/
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/jphysiol.2010.201384
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physiol.00017.2018
Epigenetic effects are spurred on by environmental goings-on. It’s not “just the genetics of genetics”—there’s something more going on.
Yeah, I was confused by the statement too. Curt Jaimungal should have probed a lot more.
I agree. I’ve seen claims like that (“epigenetics is just genetics”, “epigenetic effects are mere genetic effects”) from hereditarians and even in the literature on epigenetics. I don’t see how it makes sense though, and I think that it just validates DST literature (like with directed mutation), and shows GxE is the rule. Epigenetic effects spur on evolution too and some of it is directed (through mutations and from signals from the environment).
Epigenetic inheritance is rare though, at least according to this study:
Click to access S0092-8674(18)31255-8.pdf
It’s been empirically shown that directed mutation is a thing and that non-genetic inheritance matters for evolution. You should read Jan Baedke’s book Above the Gene, Beyond Biology: Towards a Philosophy of Epigenetics. If I remember right he describes studies on natural-living animals and epigenetics.
Your political analysis that the neocons wanted trump so they promoted him is the dumbest ever political analysis in the entire comment sections history.
What I said was that media elites promoted him for ratings & either didn’t think he could win or didn’t mind if he did.
They dont care about ratings dumbass. How many times do I hve to say that. Most of these busineses make gigantic losses without billionaire benefactors.
You’re an idiot. Buzz off.
I imagine subtests aren’t weighted equally when calculating FSIQ. Do you think it’s possible that Cro-Magnon’s “genetic education” scores predict such a low IQ because they would do worse on certain subtests?
I’m probably overthinking that, though.
More than likely Cro-Magnon’s larger brain size could have been concentrated in area that had less to do with higher cognition, like the occipital lobe. I’m pretty Sure Cro magnon 1 is a neanderthal-human hybrid
Parietal lobe connected to the frontal lobe is the anatomical area most correlated with “g” – this would be bigger than occipital lobe in Cro-magnons because of neanderthal hybridization. I suspect that occipital is bigger in east asians where they have more spherical crainiums.
Because of genetic drift polygenetic scores may not be valid for evaluating cro-magon education levels. What genes are causal in intelligence could be different from cofounding variables like we would need to account for as we would sampling east asians as a different population from europeans. Cro-Magnons were different from modern europeans as they are from east asians genetically.
Subtests are usually weighted equally. It’s possible that genetic education correlates with some subtests more than others even controlling for g but no one has really looked into that. Wechsler once claimed that scores on Information, Vocabulary & Arithmetic were good at diagnosing education disability.
As for what Cro-Magnons were good at, that paper I linked to the other day might have some answers.
If my information is 140 but my arithmetic is 80, what does that mean. (I get low score because tests are timed)
If the neocon Washington Post really wanted to have as many subscribers as possible, why would it suggest Hilary Clinton run against Trump again?
90% of the media is non-profit.
90% of your brain is mush. And ratings are about more than profits, they’re also about influence. You can’t brainwash the public if no one’s watching dumbass.
and steve sailer isn’t jewish right pill?
The Fake Controlled Right Wing (rumble.com)
So what if he is.
Hes not jewish. Thats right.
obviously peepee has never read steve sailer. steve sailer blames wokeness on protestants and the iraq war on bush and cheney. and conflates contemporary progressives with 19th c protestant progressives. all of these are LIES. but you have literally no memory. you need to stop commenting peepee. it’s annoying.
so what if the neocons are jewish. — peepee-tard
what a low IQ clown peepee is.
PILL MUST BE BANNED FOR LYING IF HE REFUSES TO ADMIT STEVE SAILER IS JEWISH.
My point is judge people by what they do, not by what they are. That’s the correct morality.
Interesting story. The wapo journalists protested the one of Murdoch’s goons was going to become the new editor and stopped him.
I guess they want a high IQ gypsy person like the good ol days.
“Causation for PGS would not be shown, for example, by showing that certain races/ethnies have higher PGSs for “intelligence”. The claim is that since Jews have higher PGSs for “intelligence” then it follows that PGSs can show causation (e.g., Dunkel et al, 2019; see Freese et al, 2019 for a response). But this just shows how ideology can and does color one’s conclusions they glean from certain data. That is NOT sufficient to show causation for PGS.”
What do you guys think RR’s verbal IQ is?
70? 80? Something like that from this statement.
RR is right on that point. Correlation != causation.
Puppy should watch Citizen Kane and spend less time looking at data tables to understand how the media ‘business’ works. Its about power pure and simple.
If people knew that at the very start of the invention of mass media, why does puppy still put out this libertarian line that its a business. Hahaha.
Ratings ARE power you dumbass; the bigger the audience, the bigger your army. They’re not money only though that’s power too
So you think CNN cares about ratings when it interviews neocons and Hilary?
They use high rated topics as a lead in before the propaganda topics, to maximize the number of viewers who see the propaganda.
Ok this is actually a good argument from you for once.
90% of media companies are loss making and have been for 30 years or so.
not sure where you got that statistic
We can go line by line of every newspaper, radio station, tv network and so on and I’ll tell you which billionaire they asked to prop it up.
You’re a complete idiot:
“It has been reported by multiple sources that CNN generated $1 billion in profits every year from 2016 to 2020. In 2021 it was estimated that CNN’s profits totaled $1.25 billion. Last year, CNN’s profits dipped to an estimated $750 million. Part of the loss in profits, can be attributed by WBD’s decision, in April 2022, to drop direct-to-consumer CNN+, one month after its launch. This resulted in a reported one-time loss of $200 million.”
Source: Forbes
If I kicked puppy in the head and his IQ went down, he would classify it as a ‘biological’ factor.
That’s right. I’m surprised YOU got it, as Oprah would say
You seem to think only genetic effects are biological and that all non-genetic effects must be non-biological.
There are TWO dichotomies:
GENES vs ENVIRONMENT
BIOLOGY vs CULTURE
All genetic effects are biological and all cultural effects are environmental, but there are environmental effects that are biological and there are biological effects that are NOT genetic.
My IQ is literally FIFTY POINTS above your level and entirely for biological reasons.
Puppy would say throwing a harpoon at someone is a ‘biological’ factor.
I’m not joking. Today is the day I realised Puppys IQ is probably below 100.
There are TWO variables that affect IQ: DNA & environment. Environment can be subdivided into biological & social The biological environment is stuff like head injuries, nutrition, prenatal condition, led in the drinking water, disease and pandemics, alcohol & drugs etc. The social environment is stuff like education, peer groups, books in the home, media etc.
Literally nobody talks about this issue like that. Zero. You wouldn’t even see that bizarre criteria in Berkeley.
You’re right that when most people say environment they mean only the social environment. But heritability measures literally try to partion the variances into genetic & environment so technically environment is everything not caused by your DNA.
Notice the way the sub 100 IQ people like Puppy, Loaded, Melo and RR all have the same political and moral preferences.
what an ACTUAL irishman knows about steve sailer!
https://www.unz.com/article/protestantism-jews-and-wokeness/
“I’m Catholic; I’ve always assumed I’m biologically half-Jewish (I’m adopted); and I’m an Anglophile and an admirer of WASP culture. So, I wish everyone well.” https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=54104
“…Steve Sailer’s blog post from 20 years ago, he says that he believes that he’s Jewish and performed a DNA test and confirmed it…” 2m53s https://rumble.com/v4x1vd5-the-fake-controlled-right-wing.html
PILL WILL ADMIT STEVE SAILER IS JEWISH AND APOLOGIZE OR BE BANNED FOREVER FOR LYING ABOUT WHO HE IS.
He needs to link to the post because I’ve never heard Sailer say that he took a DNA test.
I’ve read Sailer for years and he doesn’t identify as a jew. He criticises jews but not as much as other Unz.com writers.
^^^AUTISM^^^
it fits his behavior. the other explanation of which is that jews give him money to blame other people and not talk about them but talk about “antisemites”. also sailer let’s the mask drop sometimes and shows himself to be just a dumb racist but somehow he thinks antisemitism is bad?
either way he’s ridiculously DISHONEST and you need to apologize for pimping him or be banned forever.
I’ve seen him criticise neocons and jews many many times. He definitely doesn’t identify as a jew. He said he had an epsicopilian upbringing.
This is basically something youre relying on a second hand comment from Nick Fuentes.
so sailer is trans-gentile?
sad.
this personality needs to be banned for its inability to read.
luke ford is the first source i knew of. fuentes corroborated. plus cis-jews on lion’s old blog claimed the same thing. he’s known for HBD yet has never released his 23&me. why?
fuentes gives more evidence: sailer wrote that he suspected he was jewish because he has curly hair. that is, when it isn’t cut short.
^^^PILL PERSONALITY IS A JEW POSING AS AN ANTI-JEW. BAN IMMEDIATELY!^^^
You just dont get it. Even if he was genetically jewish, he doesnt identify as one because hes adopted.
Hes the number 1 critic of neocons for the last 20 years. You need to focus on criticising neocons and less on their critics.
he has never criticized neocons. he’s pro ukraine war.
sailer claims to have SAT and GMAT composite scores identical to mine but his adoptive family was smart too. his dad was an engineer for lockheed iirc. but he must be one of a handful of jews adopted by gentiles. one gentile adopted by jews i know of is david klinghoffer, also from LA. and also 99+th percentile smart.
maybe sailer was smarter when he was younger, or peaked early. i’ve always found him unimpressive.
that he’s been pimped ad nauseam is super suss.
What’s more low IQ debate, genes vs. environment, or tits vs, ass?
I think pill has a gap in his conceptual understanding (schizotypal personality disorder?) A gorilla can never be above IQ 75 – On an extreme end of intelligence distribution a Gorilla could be IQ 70 but Gorillas are going extinct making it hard to make a distribution curve large enough to find one.
Koko is not the average gorilla, she was raised in human civilization and cannot read or write. Chimps have IQs of around 20-30 as a distribution of intelligence. Gorillas have a distribution of 40 to 50 – Lucy the homoerectus was as smart as a 7 year old (and was comparable in body and brain size to a 7 year old). She was near 50 to 60 but with enhanced abilities because she could walk on two legs, trough rocks and carry babies with both arms.
“Cavemen” as pill says who are 70 to 80 who were the first modern atomically humans in Africa before migrating north follow a distribution in modern Africa where half are above average. They have the abilities you cannot assign to Koko.
So the difference is that “Cavemen” are 40 points above apes, yet 20 points below IQ 100 – pill cannot understand this because he only looks at specific things he want to look at to fit his narrative that pp is dumb and not the total picture.
I said cavemen were closer to gorrillas than modern humans and I was 100% correct in that factual statement.
false
Wow even your math IQ is so poor and busted.
An IQ in the 70s is closer to a gorilla than a modern human. Get out a calculator. We’re all waiting.
Gorillas don’t have IQs anywhere near the 70s LMAO. Try 15.
“I was 100% correct”
no, you say this because you want to be correct 100% of the time. It is a superiority complex you have.
I posted the link to gorilla IQs. Not ‘ape’ IQs. I think you mean monkeys.
“I posted the link”
you think Kokos IQ is 95?
now I know you have no brain
you believe everything on the internet is factual
(facepalm)
He also seems to get confused by any kind of linguistic ambiguity so terms like biological environment are enough to take him out. These kind of linguistic problems are very common in autism & schizophrenia, probably because full language evolved so recently that there hasn’t enough time for evolution to weed out all the neurological side effects of this major evolutionary change.
schz and asd both hinder theory of mind to some degree, and is not measured by IQ tests. My assertion is that this is another form of intelligence. Intelligence is not just the information you can manipulate, you need to know what the meaning is behind it. That takes metacognition (the ability to correct mistakes in your thinking processes). A person who always makes the same mistakes and learns nothing from it is not a smart person. It is just that some learn faster from their mistakes than others.
Self critical assessment with looking inward for answers.
“Try 15”
yeah, I can see that.
because of low motor skills they would be less selected for hand eye coordination which needs manipulation visual intelligence.
Daily reminder that Koko was probably a fraud. So talk of her “IQ” as (1) the “IQ of gorilla’s” is false and (2) we’ve never “IQ tested” more than one of them, so one can’t logically make that inference.
The Nova film, which also shows Ally (Nim’s full brother) and Koko, reveals a similar tendency for the teacher to sign before the ape signs. Ninety-two percent of Ally’s, and all of Koko’s, signs were signed by the teacher immediately before Ally and Koko signed.
Click to access cananapecreateasentence.pdf
“Koko was probably a fraud”
RaceRealist does not believe Gorillas exist.
That’s not what the claim “Koko was probably a fraud” means.
‘Koko was a fraud’
Koko intentionally misrepresented her IQ levels?
That logic is worse than pill saying kokos IQ was 95 – sad
most likely kokos IQ is that of a two year old as pp said (IQ 15)
ALL of the signs that Koko “signed” were signed by her handler before Koko “signed them.”
“The Nova film, which also shows Ally (Nim’s full brother) and Koko, reveals a similar tendency for the teacher to sign before the ape signs. Ninety-two percent of Ally’s, and all of Koko’s, signs were signed by the teacher immediately before Ally and Koko signed.”
Click to access cananapecreateasentence.pdf
the point is lying not what you’re lying about.
pumpkin,
If kokos IQ is 15 which is the average IQ for 2 year olds, and the average adult age is 16, what IQ would the piaget stages of development relate to as IQ levels (sensory motor age 2, concrete operations age 7, formal operations age 12 and adult age 16), adults by standard is IQ 100 age 16
piaget stages of development happen differently than IQ but here is a ruff draft of relative comparison. (adult age is the final crystallization?)
(adult age 16 – age 2) / ((100 – 15) / 15) = 2.47 years per SD
age 7 = (((7 – 2) / 2.47) * 15) + 15 = IQ 45.36
age 12 = (((12 – 2) / 2.47) * 15) + 15 = IQ 75.72
age 16 = (((16 – 2) / 2.47) * 15) + 15 = IQ 100.02
Does not apply to animals other than humans.
mental age = (IQ / 15)*2
The neoliberalism of the Economist magazine is so over the top sometimes.
China got rich running a mercantalist trade policy, not free trade. Most western businesses that in certain industries are banned in china.
PP, have you ever been in love?
yes, several times
love is a mental illness. and totally un-manly.
STOP!
i know from love, and i’m ashamed of it.
you should be too.
you’ll meet another black man at the bathhouse soon enough.
and you will fall in love.
polyamory is something (((slate star codex))) would do!
he banned me after only one comment!
Love is like a mental illness, but any excess focus gets channeled as a mental illness unless it is obviously beneficial to the powers-that-be (like careerism)… until/if it is proven right.
You rightfully gave up on love. Some of us still have livers in good condition though.
I agree, polyamory is an r-selected, unstable trait. It works great for people until it inevitably doesn’t.
I mean anything involving excessive focus or apparent “obsession” is deemed bad for business or daily affairs gets considered a “mental illness”. If it doesn’t make certain people money and give them power then you “care about it too much and it’s interrupting your daily life.”
Of course if you only care about the physical world and don’t consider human beings as metaphysical or eternal in any sense, your view of what is a mental illness differs from those that do.
another yuge division between american jews: some are anti-white, some are trans-white, some are both.
this video is trying to prove all jews look alike. but it only proves that jews who identify as white are trans.
exactly! so these college protests are good but their motivation is often stupid. “jews for hamas” sometimes means jews who are trans-white identifying israeli jews with apartheid whites. dobular did that yesterday.
maybe most ashkenazi jews know that there are jews and then there are jews. they believe they are the herrenvolk. really!
even though genetics doesn’t support it and adjusting for the places they lived sephardic and mizrahi jews are equally accomplished.
in other words: ashkenazi jews are schizophrenic about why they’re so rich and powerful. they hate white supremacists. but they are themselves white supremacists vs other jews. inter alia.
I think white skinned jews view brown skinned jews almost like white skinned italians view brown skinned ones.
Well PP, and everyone else here, I love you guys. But we can’t live together.
i hope you and your black boyfriend live happily ever after.
there’s plenty of room in gman’s mom’s basement.
and endless pot.
Why are you insinuating that I like black men? I make fun of you because you used to post black men penises and also believe they are “just as smart” as other groups except their sexual desires or bodily urges or whatever get in the way. Which is retarded. Because the only way it makes sense is that our bodily needs or social status seeking obviously get in the way of knowledge seeking to some extent, but the metaphysical brain-to-mind mapping still exists and still means higher EQ people are going to generally be smarter.
BTW you’re the one constantly posting muscular women as “peak hotness” or whatever.
i agree with peepee that an absolute moratorium on immigration is stupid. every country should want very high IQ people.
the problem is that the number of very high IQ people from ne asia, south asia, se asia may be way too many pipo.
the top 0.1% is 4.3 million pipo.
There shouldn’t be a moratorium. There should be deportations.
This is an analogy to why high intelligence can sometime be wrong.
rr says: I can open soda cans faster with my anus than you can with your fingers. superior anal can opening intelligence = darwin was wrong about everything. take that “inset ad hominem of people I disagree with”.
yes, high intelligence rr has is proof everyone else is wrong, all he has to do is call you names and you are wrong. (rr: checkmate Darwinists)
the guy i remember making the highest scores was some white cuban.
there was a jewish girl. and she was pretty. i kept mispronouncing her name. i saw her driving around campus. she looked depressed.
we were told to recognize this in our students and do something about it.
i didn’t. but not because she was jewish.
none of my business i thought.
and they’re right!
imagine taking the 300 highest IQ white gentiles 1,000 years ago and making them an interbreeding population until today.
the weird thing is how 300 ash jews turned into 12 million ash jews or whatever.
they bred like rabbits.
yet today they aren’t replacing themselves outside the haredim.
in other words ash jews can’t be fairly compared to wypipo in general.
they can be fairly compared to smart wypipo.
But you deny theres an IQ gap between ash jews and whites?
^^^PEEPEE^^^
If no correspondence exist between the physical and psychological (changes in the physical = changes in the psychological) then nothing can be said of why people differ psychological at all. Where do different psychologies comes from if nothing changes in the body?
making proteins at different stages of development requires signaling
rr rejected this notion several times in the past
proteins are needed for anatomy to exist, that means genes are needed
but rr believes genes have nothing to do with anatomical structures in organisms because he does not believe proteins matter
middle school science is stupid to rr
Apoptosis In Fetal Limb Development | 3D Animation
Homeobox Genes: Genetic Tool Kit
https://nm.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/tdc02.sci.life.gen.genetictoolkit/genetic-tool-kit/
What’s the distinction between “necessary” and “sufficient” causes?
again rr does not understand or ignores what signaling is as a biological mechanism
What’s the distinction?
if genes serve no function why do they exist at all?
rr: because anal philosophy definition of causality, that is why
word games is why people like rr will have no impact on real science
“if genes serve no function why do they exist at all?”
That’s not the claim – at all. Daily reminder that genes are a necessary not sufficient cause (like other developmental resources).
daily reminder rr does not understand or ignores what signaling is as a biological mechanism
There’s no privileged level of causation in biological systems – a point that no hereditarian has addressed. The distinction between necessary and sufficient causation is important here because genes (DNA sequences) are necessary but not sufficient conditions for the overall biological system. Have you read the Baverstock paper yet?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262309/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351448451_The_gene_An_appraisal
The reason a fruit fly does not develop into a bear or any other animal develops into any other animal is because the signals make grow happen at different rates in different areas of the body of those animals.
animals are different because grow happens differently because of signals being different
The reason rr denies this is because he cannot accept that differences exist period. it is because of his politics the must reject differences exist.
genes have lot to do with how organisms grow differently from each other (signaling)
I don’t even know why youre wasting your time with RR. He is the most ideological person in the comment section by a country mile. Hes even worse than Afro was.
They have different developmental systems—what you said didn’t touch the Baverstock argument (as I predicted).
Why don’t you try actually… I don’t know… Reading the paper before talking? Why don’t you actually try to understand the argument?
^^^DEGENERATE CLOWN PERSONALITY^^^
dismissing someone because “ideological” (as if ideology can be escaped) is like dismissing someone because “conspiracy theorist” (which just means “disagrees with the msm”).
the reason to dismiss rr is he’s mentally retarded and a LIAR.
The argument is simple: all resources are involved, everything happens together.
sure dipshit, it is called parallel processing, but you still must accept differences exist because of signaling mechanisms in development which you will not do because of ideology reasons.
Those reasons being: if people have differences (because genes create growth pathways via parallel signaling of protein shapes) then intelligence can be different because of genes. this cannot be true in your ideology therefore it must be stopped at all costs by your anal philosophy word games.
This has been true (your believe differences in intelligence has nothing to do with differences in proteins shapes) since you “changed you mind”.
If it were true that differences in proteins shapes can cause differences in intelligence (difference in the shape of proteins can cause metabolism and anatomy to change) your whole ideology would break down.
“it’s called parallel processing”
It’s called “biological relativity” or “the causal parity argument.”
“if people have differences (because genes create growth pathways via parallel signaling of protein shapes) then intelligence can be different because of genes.”
“People have differences and these differences exist due to genes creating different growth pathways via parallel signaling of protein shapes, therefore intelligence can be different because of genes”—this isn’t sound and commits a litany of fallacies. Nonetheless, your missing premise before your conclusion is “Intelligence is a trait that is influenced by genetic factors”. There’s no empirical support for that premise, and what is claimed by the usual suspects to show support for that premise (twin, family and adoption studies, GWAS, GCTA, etc) don’t actually show genetic influence.
Once again pushing genetic reductionism while denying being a genetic reductionist. You should really keep up with the new literature on the gene—I’ve linked you some for months now, have you read any of them to understand the position?
Ok its true hes also stupid. But what compounds it is his really severe ideological belief in equality. Its basically religious for him at this point.
Youre a big fan of religion too so I can see why you don’t like me criticising people with dumb ideologies.
rr: dualism is true, therefore shut down all brain scanners n sheet
normal citizen: sure like that will happen
as long as real scientists exist there will never be a shutdown of research on brains and psychology
has pill been banned permanently yet?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOUvM0rbEAArTXj?format=jpg
Mugabe’s conspiracy theories are the most unusual and poor logic ones I have ever seen on this website.
He says Lee Harvey Oswald really was the lone gunman, but then says George Flloyd died from anal fungus or something.
He says Unz.com is Mossad even though 99% of its content is the last thing Mossad would publish. Then he turns around and says its not a conspiracy that jews control the mainstream media. So let me get this straight. They completely control alternative media…but don’t control mainstream media. Not even Anime would agree with that.
Then the biggest whopper from Mugabe. Mugabe argues HBD is false. And reaction norms explain everything. So jews just have magicial abilities then to control governments and armies? Is that it? Some sort of mind control jedi talk powers? Mugabe is basically the high IQ version of Loaded.
are you capable of not lying? you just reeat the same lies about me over and over again.
who controls the media? steve sailer’s latest appearance is on tucker carlson. that will sell his book! steve sold out? no. he’s a jew.
Tucker isn’t mainstream dumbass. At this point in time hes alternative media. The neocons got rid of him from Fox. Youre not allowed criticise their wars.
Look at all the grief his boss Musk is getting from the SPLC and the ADL. They have this very organised campaign to shred twitter for not banning alt right people.
or maybe you’re just retarded so when i say XYZ, your tiny brain interprets this as X.
Mugabe and Loaded should have a retard off.
No wonder Mugabe constantly praises Loaded.
you can also tell sailer is jewish because despite his height he has a small head. and his head is very narrow. much more than any european’s.
“but trans-gentiles are gentiles you bigot!” — pill personality
and the only way to explain how he speaks is he’s on the spectrum.
Horrible intuition. Sailer isn;t autistic. How can someone who talks about social issues that way be an autist. Just really dumb.
Anyone that talks slow to you is an autist. Its literally the only criteria you seem to have.
the exact opposite! again with the lying about me.
i think people who speak slow<b>ly</b> are smarter and more sophisticated and less autistic.
it’s NOT how fast he speaks.
watch his interview with tucker and tell me he isn’t on the spectrum. do it!
carlson and sailer are kindred spirits. cucker lies about his ancestry every time he gets the chance. he’s 0% scandinavian. his father was adopted byt he carlson family. his biological mother’s surname is italian. his stepmother is where the swanson money is from.
an example of retarded misinterpretation is the soviet interpretation of marx.
but today pipo are so retarded they don’t even know what marxism is. yet they use the term “marxist” pejoratively to mean something like “super duper commie”.
Marx envisioned a society where all profit would be distributed to the workers equally. No man at the top taking surplus.
This would result is a distributed society of equity.
People would paint pictures and play music instruments with all the extra time.
Factors like war, and science/technology progress did not allow this to happen.
More surplus => more resources => more surplus
The entire system grew so large and fast that workers got enough so revolution was never on their minds to protest and change the system.