A recent paper by Davide Piffer shows that East Asians tower on whatever common genetic variants predict education in Western populations.
You might say this is meaningless since the correlation between DNA and education in one particular culture is not nessecarily causal, let alone reflective of intelligence, but it’s striking how well a polygenic score built to predict education among whites does at predicting where whites rank compared to all the non-white groups in mean IQ.
For example when representative samples of the major races are reared in the same environment, you tend to get the following IQ ranking: East Asians > Whites > South Asians > Amerindians > Blacks, which is exactly the same pattern observed in the education polygenic scores.
Some people find it hard to believe East Asians could be smarter than whites because whites have invented so much of the modern world, but it’s well known that creative achievements require more than just ability; they also require certain primitive personality traits. Whites were evolved enough to have high IQ, yet still primitive enough to have the mental illness, non-conformity, and narcissism upon which creative output depends. It was this perfect balance between derived and basal traits that allowed whites to dominate.
But even this point should not be overstated. Throughout most of World history, non-whites have been on top.
NOTE: Kevin Bird has a paper countering some of Piffer’s claims so until this debate is resolved, strong conclusions are not justified.
I believe it.
From what I’ve seen (very superficial and probably wrong) Europeans make a lot of discoveries, but East Asians apply those discoveries better than Europeans do.
We in the West are still using credit cards while the Chinese scan QR codes to pay. Where are our high speed trains? They’ve been possible for decades yet only the East Asians have good networks. I also LOVE Asian sunscreens, which offer more protection, much more comfortably than Western sunscreens. I only listen to EA skinfluencers for tips.
Also, in case this wasn’t obvious from my first post. I think effectively applying things you already know probably takes more g than stumbling on a new discovery.
“I think effectively applying things you already know probably takes more g than stumbling on a new discovery.”
Perhaps this is commonly the case, but from a purely personal perspective, discovery has typically entailed a melding of insight, knowledge, logic, and yes, some stumbling – usually with the “feel” of “intelligence in action”. Alternatively, the application of my discoveries have had a more perfunctory feel. That’s not to say that the implementation of the new doesn’t utilize the noted elements of discovery; clearly it does, as this, too, is a process of “discovery”. My feeling is that it is largely a matter of degree. One wherein origination, in most instances, requires the greater measure of fluidity.
“…the application of my discoveries *has* had…” (he now dutifully genuflects before the god known as OCD).
Discovering more advanced things would probably feel more difficult because it is, and requires much more than just cleverness.
I’ve never discovered anything except great gossip though, so if you’re doing some kind of research, you’d know better than me!
“I’ve never discovered anything except great gossip…”
That, too, can be pretty gratifying 8O)
Many discoveries, in hindsight could seem like it required less than otherwise. And you could say that about many things, in hindsight. New discoveries aren’t necessarily some bizarre invocation, but progressive alterations, either of product or circumstance for the product, that may consequently breed novelty. Application advancements in likeness, are not perfunctory. This is the diminution that can be applied to anything; advancements require their own insight – to find the mechanical advantages that can be interoperable or interrelated with other advantages, that aren’t merely a process of tacking on through time (which seems to be what you’re implying).
Asians, I believe are more prone to inward intricacy, which bears its own type of genius.
“Application advancements in likeness, are not perfunctory.”
We are aligned on this point. Again, from a purely personal perspective, applications have had a more perfunctory, or, if you will, mechanical or routine feel (than the processes involved in the initial breakthrough).
“…advancements require their own insight”
Again, we are in agreement. As I’ve noted, the applications process, too, is a process of “discovery”; a melding of insight, knowledge… Regrettably, I omitted intuition, something that I consistently and heavily rely on in my work.
I don’t know if we’re really aligned. You keep saying, or implying, that applications are essentially procedural. I’m telling you, that could be said the same for anything – innovations aren’t bizarre and spontaneous acts of novelty. I tentatively agree with the presumption of it being a matter of degree, but if it were so perfunctory, why hasn’t it been done to the same degree elsewhere?
The same can be posed for those who question profundity of novelty for the seemingly easy: if it were so obvious, why wasn’t it replicated elsewhere, in isolation? If you’re going to proffer resource management as the reason, I’ll refer to Edward Dutton’s argument for genius, that resource acquisition and management is integral, and those that can apportion accordingly are accessing that bit of genius; as for Asians, their ability to optimize their resources for these high advancements in application are not merely perfunctory, but genius.
“You keep saying, or implying, that applications are essentially procedural.”
No, not at all. What I am saying is that applications – for me – have involved the same creative processes as the origination upon which those applications have been based, but that the “procedural” ingredient in those applications has been more prevalent and pronounced than in the case of said origination. Moreover, I should note that there would have been no origination without some measure of “mechanical” procedure as well.
“…innovations aren’t bizarre and spontaneous acts of novelty.”
Bizarre, no. Spontaneous, novel, even beautiful…absolutely! That is to say, they certainly can be – particularly in cases of profound discovery. I’ll offer an example. Long ago, I, at age twenty, worked on the problem of measuring the area of mechanically generated, irregularly-bounded regions. I poured myself (naively, as you will see) into the endeavor for many months. Eventually, I reached an impasse – actually it felt as though I’d backed myself into a corner with no apparent egress. One evening, after dinner, I decided to nap, as was my wont. After about an hour’s slumber, I began to awaken – not suddenly, but gradually, gently. At a point somewhere middling to sleep and wakefulness, with eyes still shut, a most animated scene unfolded. The solution to the noted problem began to reveal itself with the rotation of a planar figure being traced on edge by an entirely nondescript “device”, gauging in continuously variable, analog fashion, intimating without word or display the constant pi. I watched for what I’d guess were minutes, a mere spectator to a seeming revelation. This wasn’t simply the cinematic resolution of a mechano-mathematical problem; it was…dare I say…spiritual (Forgive me for not elaborating). Anyway, I awoke with the long-sought solution. Soon thereafter, I discussed my solution, the application, and the material embodiment of an invention with my Father, a well-regarded chemical engineer. He listened, comprehended, and then proceeded, unintendedly, to crush my spirit: he noted that my invention was a planimeter: something used in certain industries to, for example, measure charted product output.
“I tentatively agree with the presumption of it being a matter of degree, but if it were so perfunctory, why hasn’t it been done to the same degree elsewhere?”
“…if it were so obvious, why wasn’t it replicated elsewhere…”
The attribution implicit in “so perfunctory” and “so obvious” is unfounded, as evidenced in what I’ve written.
“If you’re going to proffer resource management as the reason, I’ll refer to Edward Dutton’s argument for genius…”
I won’t and you needn’t. While I’m unaware of Mr. Dutton’s views on genius, I’ll offer my own perspective: Genius is not something we possess. It is a manifestation of something greater than you and I. Perhaps you’ll read about it to greater depth in my book.
“…as for Asians, their ability to optimize their resources for these high advancements in application are not merely perfunctory, but genius.”
Of that, I’ve little doubt.
So untrue, hahaha have you ever seen a Chinese building? Or a Chinese made bridge?
They literally have a reputation for making low quality imitations of European inventions
That’s the curse of modern urbanism aka every city looks the same.
Occidentals have to spend time and energy babysitting.
Part of that is that much of China’s infrastructure is just being built for the first time and so they can use state-of-the-art technology, whereas we in the West would have to overhaul our existing infrastructure.
But yes, I think their higher g does enable them to use technology better, even though they’re not as inventive as whites.
>”Throughout most of World history, non-whites have been on top.”
Yes. However, the relatively recent (from 280 BC) development is this.
“The transfer of great creativity of mankind [from Asia to Europe] occurred between 280 BC and 650 AD.” “From 280 BC and to this day, not a single group of resources has appeared in Asia.” Those were quotes from my book “Subsurface History of Humanity”.
Creativity never originated in Asia, if you look at the archeological findings you realize China had more foreign influence than any other nation perhaps only behind Mesopotamia Due to the vast amounts of farm produce it was attractive to pastoralist raiders in the Eurasian step, so indo europeans gave them most of what you would consider Chinese inventions
White mummies and chariots are an example, and the fact that China hasn’t invented anything of their own in modern history. Why would you think they were able to invent in the past?
I do not equate Asia to China.
Asia = China and India basically, there was no major civilization in other parts of Asia at that time
India as you know was invaded by indo-europeans and the evidence are genetic tests, archeology, language, paintings etc
So it was whites using native Indian farmers of the Indus Valley as labor who invented all what you might call civilization
It amazes me how the average person thinks india and China developed independently without help from outside when clearly all major scientific and technological advances have come, and still come only from europeans and not Indians or Chinese
The aryans in India went basically extinct after miscegenation or regime change and fled to modern day Pakistan, Iran or Afghanistan
How the hell did all of China’s advances come from Europe when China was one of the six independent civilizations and Europe was not?
Jacobin my man, Where did you get your info from? Civilization in india arose in the indus valley before indo european migration to india. After indo european migration to india india became decivilized. Indus vallzy civilization collapsed, planned cities of IVC vanished, population went back to mud huts and rural country and shitting behind trees and shrubs. IVC had attached bathrooms to houses and flush toilets. They all vanished. You have absolutely no knowledge of history.
PP, see this is the kind of comments/commenters you attract when you post articles like this.
Name, civilization is not just mud huts
What ever primitive technologies the Indus might have had, they were nothing compared the the horse, chariot, milk products, and poetic literature, astronomy, math and medicine that came from the Brahmin/aryan caste, THAT is true civilization, perhaps one of the greatest ever. But it was indo european/aryan in origin not Dravidian/Indus valley
Similar to what happened in Greece and Italy, with aryans subjugating local farmers and replacing agricultural gods with war gods such as Is described in the illiad by homer
Anyway. This achievement by the “aryan Indians” couldn’t happen without the serf labor the natives from the decaying Indus people provided. also, they did not vanish, no nation ever 100% banishes. they were very similar to southern Indians today as seen by genetic evidence
I recommend you read these, and I’m happy to continue debate
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch05kyber.htm
https://www.harappa.com/content/roots-hinduism-early-aryans-and-indus-civilization
And I got my info from the writings of Sir Mortimer Wheeler as most aryan enthusiasts have
Pp, Europe is not a monolithic entity
It originated in Mycenaean Greece (europe) with people very similar genetically to Anatolian and middle easter farmers so the same people who invented agriculture in the Levant
These Farmers start to settle, then genetically distant nomadic warriors from modern Ukraine invade and become overlords, with leisure from slave labor they start inventing things at a higher speed than before and diversify labor
The same thing happened in Italy, then in Germany and France, without any help from outside, only the slave labor of farmers and surpassing what ever came before them
China didn’t have the type of overlords as did Europeans, technology did not advance as it did in Europe and it is clear that the major tech the Chinese got was from indo aryans (Turks most likely) from the steppe
“White mummies and chariots are an example”
Imagine being this historical illiterate
indeed!
Imagine being this historical illiterate
Yup. The whole “white mummies” thing is just a white people version of, “we wuz kangs and quanes”
Melo do you hear russia in your head sometimes?
No I don’t hear voices in my head because I’m a sane person.
Can’t say the same for you.
What ever helps your inferiority complex meLo
But even Chinese scholars accept the fact that whites lived in China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies
Even today you can see people with blue eyes in Easter China
But I expect a mutt like you will never understand, it’s like trying to make a fish understand English, it’s is known arrogant people like yourself aren’t interested in truth
This is so ironic because if you could understand English property you’d know that the article does not support what you stated in the slightest.
Sad.
Jacobin,
Milk products evolved in many different places. Aryans dont have any exclusive rights over invention of milk products. And the earliest horse was domesticated in iran circa 8000 B.C. Not by indo aryans. And we have no evidence that indo aryans brought chariot into india through invasion. Poetry and hymns existed in the rig veda composed by the indus valley civilisation. Astronomy is not exclusive to indo aryans. Ancient Egyptians and mesopotaminans had astronomy. It is very likely their contemporaries the IVC people also had it. We just didnt do enough digging about IVC as compared to ancient Egypt or ancient Mesopotamia.
Medicine or different parts of it developed in many civilisations including IVC.
And brahmins then and now are not exclusively aryan in genetic heritage. We dont even know whether brahmins have aryan heritage for sure.
1000 genomes from where? all the pgs is doing is identifying the race of the people if that. this is old and piffer’s calculations are wrong. he thinks he has esp. if the data were from esp, chinapeople would score lowest. streetshitters would score higher if the data were from the anglosphere. but sadly, pakis and bangladeshis would score lower.
The polygenic score was created using only whites, yet it perfectly ranks all races by mean IQ. How do you explain that Mug of Pee?
What are “spurious correlations”? See Richardson’s and Jones’ 2019 paper and Richardson’s 2017 paper on PGS/GWAS. Furthermore, you’re going to get spurious correlations with large datasets. See:
“What these studies are indexing are not causal genic variants for disease and other “traits”, they are showing the population structure of the population sampled in question (Richardson, 2017; Richardson and Jones, 2019). Furthermore, the demographic history of the sample in question can also mediate the stratification in the population (Zaidi and Mathieson, 2020). Therefore, claims that PGSs are causal are unfounded—indeed, GWA studies cannot show causation. GWA studies survive on the correlational model—but, as has been shown by many authors, the studies show spurious correlations, not the “genetics” of any studied “trait” and they, therefore, do not show causation.
One further nail-in-the-coffin for hereditarian claims for PGS/PRS and GWA studies is due to the fact that the larger the dataset (the larger the number of datapoints), there will be many more spurious correlations found (Calude and Longo, 2017). When it comes to hereditarian claims, this is relevant to twin studies (e.g., Polderman et al, 2015) and GWA studies for “intelligence” (e.g., Sniekers et al, 2017). It is entirely possible, as is argued by Richardson and Jones (2019) that the results from GWA studies “for intelligence” are entirely spurious, since the correlations may appear due to the size of the dataset, not the nature of it (Calude and Longo, 2017). Zhou and Zao (2019) argue that “For complex polygenic traits, spurious correlation makes the separation of causal and null SNPs difficult, leading to a doomed failure of PRS.” This is troubling for hereditarian claims when it comes to “genes for” “intelligence” and other socially-valued traits.”
How could a spurious correlation so accurately predict the IQ ranking of races not even used in the dataset?
Your claim is that Asians are “genetically superior” due to higher PGS. But this is just a “correlation-causation” thing. If we take PGS to be an index of population stratification, then we aren’t justified in drawing causal inferences. Just because it buttresses your “genetically superior” Asian mumbo jumbo you latch on to Piffer’s garbage as if it means anything. If we accept that they do have higher PGS, so what? What does it mean? What’s the cause?
Give me an example of a population stratification scenario that could plausibly cause races not used to create the polygenic scores to be perfectly ranked with respect to mean IQ
but they don’t actually have higher PGS.
because peepee hasn’t read the paper she doesn’t know this.
Bejing score a full SD above British. Stop gaslighting.
AI also being spurious correlation will be useful if it solves that opaqueness but I guess that’s not a problem according to you.
Again pp, what is superior? You haven’t revisioned your concept of “superior” since at least 2016
Superiority is a human concept. just because a new species comes out of an organism it doesn’t make it “superior” and superiority is really just the power to overrule another organism or environment
Are mouses superior than reptiles? They get killed all the time by “inferior” species.
Microbes are superior to us in your eyes due to how new species evolve every year.
It’s a conceptual fallacy of evolution without scientific basis
comparing rodents to reptiles is a category error. Ones an order, the other is a class.
Well an example would be, when dinosaurs ruled the world and mouses were just prey, but in your eyes “more evolved” due to having come out of mammals and newer
Mouses survived due to chance not inherent superiority
Not to mention the millions of mammals who died and the millions of reptiles who survived
Mammals can survive in more environments than reptiles can.
Citation needed.
This “”less evolved”” organism can survive in space, is he superior to those organisms that can’t survive in space? I rest my case
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a11137/tardigrades-water-bears/
Any attempt to make an artificial let alone static hierarchy of organisms is foolhardy
This “”less evolved”” organism can survive in space, is he superior to those organisms that can’t survive in space? I rest my case
1) They can only survive in space if us humans put them there. They can’t get there on their own.
2) Never claimed a perfect correlation between evolved & superior; only a positive one.
3) They might be more evolved than you think.
4) Humans are learning about their ability to survive extreme environments and will likely replicate it for ourselves in the future.
Iq is not everything and certainly not a marker of superiority The brain is a computer but without an operating program it is useless, is AI superior to man? Those things can beat the best chess player in seconds
But they are not superior, they lack the will that humans have and many psychological, physical traits and can not overrule us which’s is what we use to describe something as superior
And superiority is fluid, just 100 years ago China and much of Asia was divided between Germany, France, the US and Britain. How can you call a powerless conquered people superior just because they score high in iq?
If pp was to be consistent, he’d have to say AI is more adaptable and thus smarter because AI only needs more datasets which it can collect by itself by playing with itself. This is a phenotypic adaptation since it doesn’t even rely on a gene and the algorithm it uses is self-created (phenotypic adaptation) and too complicated and evolved for humans to understand its opaque victories over the clearly inferior mankind.
“Whites were evolved enough to have high IQ, yet still primitive enough to have the mental illness, non-conformity, and narcissism upon which creative output depends.”
That’s an interesting way of spelling “rugged individualists” 🙂
How would you rank say, ants and spiders for “genetic superiority” or how advanced they are? Individually spiders seem more advanced, being capable of operating on their own and building nets and stuff, but collectively ants seem more impressive.
Western civilization sure seems more advanced that East Asian civilization, before wokeness and miss migration at least. East Asians in western civilization do very well though, not sure what the animal analogy for that would be.
I remind you all of this article: https://pumpkinperson.com/2020/11/07/gene-editing-iq/
Not whites, not browns, not east asians but i think ashkenazi jews are the most superior. They dont excel just in paper IQ scores or book smarts like east asians. They excel in real world intelligence too.
PP, In your opinion which is the smartest ethnicity? I am not asking race. Race is too broad.
“Superior” doesn’t exist and is not a scientific term
It’s a term humans use to describe an organism in a given environment
History seems to contradict your claim that Jews are superior (see pogroms)
When the hell did I claim Jews were superior? From an evolutionary perspective, superior perhaps means adaptable. From a common perspective, superior means more human. Both correlate with how evolved you are.
They look very similar to white in their chaotic way to adapt. Also it s important to know that a relative comparison is not necessarily an absolute or ideal one. Like if jewnazis are the best it is only if compared with other groups and by some and not all available criteria.
I think the major confusion is thinking whites mean just modern Europeans
Whites are a mix of 70% Eurasian steppe pastoralists 10% eastern Anatolian farmer and 20% Western hunter gathers from Baltic coast
Eurasian pastoralists whites were the ones that spread all over the world, we just see more whites today in Europe
So the civilization of the hittites, Persians, Mesopotamia, Indian, late Egyptians (warrior caste) India and Bactrian were “white” civilizations
As is shown in the archeology
So is the gap on educational attainment between whites and asians larger than that between them on IQ?
Yes the gap between polygenic education score seems to be bigger than the IQ gap, perhaps implying East Asian IQ is dragged down by environment
Pumpkin, did you look at the graphs Piffer did with EDU polygenic scores plotted against IQ scores for ethnic groups? East Asian IQs are accurately predicted by their polygenic scores.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202102.0542/v1 (page 11 and 12)
Dexter: I believe so.
Thanks for the link
Dexter: That’s if you’re talking about phenotypic stuff, not polygenic scores.
Higher conscientiousness seems the more likely candidate
Peepee missing completely the point
East asians EVOLVED faster than caucasians partly because too much “macho-wars” among the second group. The struggle by the power destroy every civilization. And also by their own merit of course.
But east asians stopped to evolve civilizationally because too much domestication and stay for long time in significant stagnation. Today they are mostly a race of tamed normies who has been totally encapsulated by western (garbage) /”modern” culture or other ideologies like communism. Based on cultural wars, “western” won this battle until this date.
So if you think domestication rates is the mark of human evolution then they are, colectively speaking, among the most evolved . It’s like to say “dogs are more evolved than wolves”.
But if you think of human evolution as intelligence or as you like to say (poorly developed argument) adaptation, whites, until the jewish adulteration, were the most evolved. Intelligence not in rational or ideal sense because the whitey (and jewy) are insufferably irrational.
In terms of appearance whites have evolved to a more diverse evolutionary strategy while east asians have evolved to a more minimized or less diverse evolutionary strategy IF I CAN SAY IN THAT WAY because it pretend that exist collective and intergenerational agency to that if strategy means deliberation. A better term is required.
Peeppe’s confusing modern traits with domestication. And i find naively funny using images of halfly job-plastic “celebrities” to exemply visually what she means. It’s not because some traits are earlier on evolutionary timeline that it’s would be worse… It’s about lack of basic understanding on philosophical principles. It’s a kind of fallacy like a recent trait is intrinsically superior.
Thats one of the reason i stopped to continually follow this blog. The monotony levels here is autistic.
No you stopped following because you were angry at puppy horrible moderation policies.
You remind me of this one friend i have that always tells people how theyre feeling and what theyre thinking based purely on assumption.
No Pill you cant just tell others what to believe and what to do that is called domination and is highly frowned upon.
Moderate what??
If i say something nasty about Oprah i can be jailed.
PP wants entertainment. She or he wants this blog like Oprah show.
There are very pervasive patterns here. Your comments for example. If PP was a really good moderador s/he would be strongly censored yours not just because lack of any integrity but also the excessive repetition. When vou cant add any significant insight or statement just make people angry why not stop you?
The most important about adaptation is not the number of descendents but the number of deaths or the survival levels. More complexity means more resources to fight for survive and thrive. The less evolved species because lack of more adaptational resources has been traditionally forced by environmental forces to produce many offspring as they can but because their high mortality rates. But when you master the environment you prioritize quality over quantity.
Mastery of the environment requires over-optimization. Over-optimization means you’re less adaptable.
Jets. How do they work?
Ukraine. LOL.
Asians are proof that even with societally-desired traits and the possibility of being more evolved they would still fail to bring humans to the next level of achievement.
All one needs to do is look at Neanderthals to get this idea across. Neanderthals stagnated their entire culture for a hundred thousand years and did not do anything remarkable with their superiority and were wiped out by a less innately superior group within a relatively short time-frame to their existence. Neanderthals may have been primitive in many ways but they had an array of advantages when it came to beating H. Sapiens yet failed to do so because their inability to innovate and lack of desire to adapt destroyed them.
Asians are analogous to Neanderthals not only from a genetic standpoint (they are the most closely related macro race to Neanderthals) but also from a cultural standpoint. Asians do not have the ambitions of wanting to innovate and create. They are complacent people even the elite. They do not have good foresight as evidenced throughout their history. They will make great leaps and bounds off of the ideas of others but when they remain as the only predominant civilization they will stagnate catastrophically and it will spell their doom.
Since human evolution wont expand much further at least not in the course of the next five hundred years it is safe to say that Asian civilization and culture will fall worse than the West. The West will go out with a whimper. The Asian culture will out with a boom.
Cold environments select for cultural stagnation.
That’s why the most superior hominin came from Africa.
Honestly melo you are such a joke.
Don’t you have interracial porn to get mad at or something?
Why are you talking down to people better than you?
Honestly Pill you are such a retard. He doesnt mean that modern blacks or Africans are superior. We all originate from Africa so the superior hominin is African in origin.
Lol that had to be explained to him
Whites come from the humans that left Africa no more than they came from the fish that left the ocean, “humans” that came out of Africa were dark skinned low iq and are extinct now
Those humans that left Africa diversified and after millions of years, evolved into the godly, intelligent, blonde haired, long face, strong jaw white man and the other races we have today
whites evolved in cold harsh climates with hostile neighbors and developed an almost godlike will to power that is responsible for all the technology, achievements, countries and the language of this blog
Both loaded and MeLo are mutts that need to know their place in the cosmos before spouting negro nonsense
““humans” that came out of Africa were dark skinned low iq and are extinct now”
The humans that left Africa were the most intelligent humans that have ever existed.
“evolved into the godly, intelligent, blonde haired, long face, strong jaw white man”
Most white people are none of those things. And your women prefer dark handsome men like me. Just ask the Neanderthals.
“need to know their place”
My place is higher than yours and always will be. Deal with it
Fuck you you dumb honkey. Your people are failures that committed civilizational suicide. You think this is because they were intelligent or advanced? NO! This is because they are backwards idiots that live in the trailer parks!
The white man could not tame his desires nor himself. He has an enormous propensity for destruction and perversion. Start taking some goddamn responsibility you fucking moron!
Lol this sounds like those video tutorials on how to increase your creativity by scam gurus and other charlatans.
Step 1. Just say no to your mama.
I don’t care if some institutions think white people wins more Nobels or mestizo women win more pageants when those same institutions thought the West that masks doesn’t help, lol!
Lol that guy thinking fish is as unrelated to former Africans as they are to whites. Yeah, and Adam and Eve were dinosaurs.
To show that PGS is causal, “The hereditarian must:
(1) provide a valid deductive argument, in that the conclusion is the phenomena to be explained; (2) provide an explanans (the sentences adduced as the explanation for the phenomenon) that has one lawlike generalization; and (3) show the remaining premises which state the preceding conditions have to have empirical content and they have to be true.
An explanandum is a description of the events that need explaining (in this case, PGS/PRS) while an explanans does the explaining—meaning that the sentences are adduced as explanations of the explanans. Garson (2018: 30) gives the example of zebra stripes and flies. The explanans is Stripes deter flies while the explanandum is Zebras have stripes. So we can then say that zebras have stripes because stripes deter flies.
Causation for PGS would not be shown, for example, by showing that certain races/ethnies have higher PGSs for “intelligence”. The claim is that since Jews have higher PGSs for “intelligence” then it follows that PGSs can show causation (e.g., Dunkel et al, 2019; see Freese et al, 2019 for a response). But this just shows how ideology can and does color one’s conclusions they glean from certain data. That is NOT sufficient to show causation for PGS.”
Stop RR.
None of these people are capable of critical thinking. They don’t know anything about history, genetics, evolution, philosophy. NONE.
We’ve proven that time and time again. Just let them sit in their echo chamber. The real world is already left these losers behind.
This is stupid. I know enough to hold my own weight. No one in this world knows everything and critical thinking is not something anyone has a monopoly on.
Cmon bud stop with the grandiose behavior and come back to reality.
So why are you still here Melo?
I get off to arguing.
I’m surprised you seem to be agreeing with RR all of a sudden.
What? Me and RR agree wayyy more than we disagree. It’s just that I usually don’t talk to him unless I disagree with him about something. So I’m sure it can give the impression that we just always argue, when in reality my views are closest to his out of everyone else.
Ok, in past you’ve made comments like:
“https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Some guy, RR is an endangered species of Sea lion who can only repeat refuted arguments ad nauseasm.”
But I suppose you were just talking about that particular issue.
sorry …in what is today ne syria…/
OG Aryans? Mug I did not expect you to get even more retarded and yet you still disappoint.
Europe was a civilizational powerhouse for only a few thousand years (a relatively short frame of time in human existence) and they proceeded to destroy every bit of themselves like some type of ravenous cannibalistic creature.
They had the potential to create a utopia and failed so magnificently that is turned into the dystopia that many wrote books trying to warn us of. How can a group of people be that stupid and selfish!?
Honestly whites got what they deserved. All they did was bitch and moan when times got tough and now theyre paying for it. Sad!
Poor puppy thinks all this because east asians look like pop culture versions of aliens. Very sad.
He apparently doesn’t realise pop-culture portrayals of alien greys were never meant to be flattering.
Notice how it’s Asians trying to look white but never whites trying to look Asian
Notice how it’s Asians trying to look white but never whites trying to look Asian
That’s because East Asians are too evolved to preserve primitive traits like narcissism, and thus suffer from low self-esteem, and also because many people want to look sexy & less evolved races can be sexy in the raw animalistic sense
“Narcissism is primitive” “too evolved”
These terms are not scientific or mesurable therefore its your own ethnocentrism
Hahahaha
Oh not PP
What is up with you man? You in denial that the white man is typically a sick fuck with serious mental issues? Yeah thats how the white narrative goes nowadays. Whites want to be anyone else so bad that when they end up being white they end up doing the most morally perverse things ever.
Stand down white man! Stand down!
Then why are you still speaking the white mans tongue LOADED, and why do you still live in a white country, what was so bad about the underworld your parents came from?
He’s not living in a white country. First Americans were red.
And the red indians got replaced by Whites just how Homo sapiens replaced the Neanderthal
Survival of the fittest baby!
Be careful about the survival of the fittest thing…whites are being systematically replaced in their own countries right now.
Yes I know, sadly most whites are naive goyim, as I said in previous threads, dysgenics let to the rise of the serf/peasant population and the decline of the professional elite (doctors, nobles, engineers) in the west hence why you don’t have that many Jewish aware whites that can resist the overlordship and policies of Jews in their countries
And democracy won’t solve it… maybe a Caesar will ,but I’m not that optimistic
Btw have you seen the new U.S army recruitment ad? In the whole video I only say one questionably white person and it was a female! They clearly don’t want any white men in the ranks
“Btw have you seen the new U.S army recruitment ad? In the whole video I only say one questionably white person and it was a female! They clearly don’t want any white men in the ranks”
In this case thats a good thing.
UASS never was a “White country”. “Britain”? Yes.
but one needn’t adduce a genetic explanation for why the west has always been the best, from ancient greece to today.
another explanation is CLIMATE.
[redacted by pp. 2021-04-17] thinks civilization happened because smart people. it happened because CLIMATE change.
it happeed FIRST in what is today nw syria. farmers were so fecund that they conquered by numbers. when the new techne spread from the inhospitable lands of the near east to europe the wealth exploded.
med and atlantic europe has a UNIQUE CLIMATE. it’s cool but not too cool for school, like eastern europe. and it’s wet but not WAP.
the med and atlantic europe is an ideal climate for farming, aka civilization. and an ideal climate for human labor, rarely too hot or cold. and an ideal climate for human health, no tropical diseases and no freezing to death.
sorry …in what is today ne syria…
See, even someone as stupid as Mugabe knows that the advent of civilization has very little to do with intelligence.
Pumpkin needs to catch up.
the advent of civilization has very little to do with intelligence
I never claimed intelligence was the only cause, but to deny it played a major role is dumb as hell. Homo Erectus never built a civilization in their nearly 2 million years on Earth.
Oh I’m aware that intelligence plays a major part in Homo sapiens being able to create civilization but the variation within our species has not much to do with intelligence at all and more to do with climate.
“Homo Erectus never built a civilization in their nearly 2 million years on Earth. “
And? You think that means they couldn’t? What reasoning is there for this?
So you think it’s just a coincidence that our species independently invented civilization about 6 times within just the last several thousand years, and Erectus invented it never once in nearly 2 million years? Just a coincidence? Nothing to do with our brains being 40% bigger?
That kind of thinking is why you aren’t cut out to be a real scientist.
You don’t think population size had anything to do with the advent of agriculture? Would nomadic hominids have a use for agriculture or civilization?
And no erectus’ brain size ranged from 800cc to 1300cc
Instead of trying to fit everything into you preconceived bias why don’t you take the actually totality of information into account before making grandiose hypotheses.
That kind of thinking is why you aren’t cut out to be a real scientist.
Your lack of common sense is why you’re not cut out to be a real scientist.
You don’t think population size had anything to do with the advent of agriculture?
I am sure that even if Erectus’ population had been as large as ours was, they still would not have developed civilization.
Would nomadic hominids have a use for agriculture or civilization?
Not at first but when resources became scarce they sure did.
And no erectus’ brain size ranged from 800cc to 1300cc
It got bigger over time but was always hundreds of cc smaller than ours. We also know from their technological stagnation that they were much less innovative than us.
Instead of trying to fit everything into you preconceived bias why don’t you take the actually totality of information into account before making grandiose hypotheses.
You’re so out of touch. There’s not a single scientist of any repute who would agree that Erectus would have created civilization had their population been as big as ours.
And why won’t you post my reply to loaded? It’s not really offensive or anything.
Stop it MeLo, you don’t know what you are talking about and you are embarrassing all of us for having to share a webpage with you.
Intelligence was clearly needed for civilization but not the only requirement, if it wasn’t intellence then civilization would have happened millions of years before 10,000
I’m far more educated on these subjects than any of you are.
“Your lack of common sense is why you’re not cut out to be a real scientist.”
Science demands uncommon sense. That’s why you can’t be one.
“they still would not have developed civilization.”
Based on what?
“Not at first but when resources became scarce they sure did.”
Resources were always scarce, that’s why they were nomadic.
“they were much less innovative than us.”
False. Necessity is the mother of invention, not intelligence.I’m surprised you don’t agree considering East asians are less innovative than whites despite you believing them to be “genetically superior”
“There’s not a single scientist of any repute who would agree”
I don’t care. If i did, I wouldn’t be here on this blog, entertaining your delusions.
Don’t forget, I’m one of you.
“they still would not have developed civilization.”
Based on what?
Based on the fact that they showed no evidence of behavioral modernity & based on their small brains and ape-like appearance.
“Not at first but when resources became scarce they sure did.”
Resources were always scarce, that’s why they were nomadic.
Then all the more reason to believed they would have developed agriculture if they could have.
False. Necessity is the mother of invention,
They had the same necessities we did
I’m surprised you don’t agree considering East asians are less innovative than whites
Over the last few centuries, yes. Throughout most of history? Not so much.
“based on their small brains and ape-like appearance.”
Their brain size were well within the range of modern humans. Their ape like appearance is irrelevant. Neanderthal were behaviorally modern and incredibly simian in appearance.
“Then all the more reason to believed they would have developed agriculture if they could have.”
Lol no.
“They had the same necessities we did”
No. Humans become more specialized later on because of increased social competition which forced them to adapt to particular niches. Whereas before if it wasn’t broke there was no point in fixing it. By the time we were homo erectus we were more intelligent than any other creature on the planet so it was only a matter of time that our populations would just start to continually increase.
“ Throughout most of history? Not so much.”
Prove it.
Climate change or human-made environmental destruction??
White speciality??
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Grossly speaking, pp believes literally like that
“East asians are smarter because their higher avg IQ because it is the same as intelligence that is the same as evolution”
PP severily underestimate the gigant impact (negative and positive) of western civilization in the world.
Without east asians have copying industrial or western civilization how they would be now?? It they look like aliens (????) Why most of “modern” or technologjcally advanced infrastructure has been created by “white’s'”??
Not speaking for pp, but he might say that higher intelligence means being relatively better at turning situations around to your advantage, regardless of the situation’s specs.
When the Chinese standard of living overtakes the white one, this could be seen as a sign of higher intelligence because they have been better able to adapt to the world than whites. Copying whites’ best practices is just part of that process.
Copying western “good” practices to be apply in a nation with such titanical dimensions is not smart. The best “White good practices” we have seen in Scandinavia, less sweden complete idiocy today undealing with covid-little guys, and not necessarily about dumb immigration policy (again sweden won this contest) and recent shifting for neoliberalism
Had western civ never been developed, asians might be on a lower absolute level, but you could argue that their relative rank would remain unchanged.
Too bad you can’t prove that since history doesn’t replicate. The same way we wouldn’t know what Europe would be like without Arab writing or Hindu numbers or ISEA pointing out where every other country was.
and they didn’t straight up copy Western neoliberalism and even South Korea paid their debts to the IMF nor with the virus.
Maybe if Europeans never colonized and had kept things to themselves in their isolated part of the world, they’d be gucci but alas. No spaghetti though.
I was thinking if autism makes a person think like a child, does that means schizo people like myself appear to be more mature than our actual ages?
The fact that you think my comments are trash and have the audacity to write these types of comments shows you have no self-awareness buddy.
Youre comments are objectively thrash. 100% correct.
I think it depends on your symptoms. Para schiz is arguably a form of arrested development because young people tend to see the world as a scary and confusing place.
The social IQ component of schiz makes people more mature, though.
No they don’t. Helicopter parents are like that.
so sailer’s “magic” vs “tragic” dirt is not nearly as simple as he makes out.
the med coast of africa is barren today. it wasn’t even 2,000 years ago. what is today tunisia (what was carthage, the phoenecian outpost in africa https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Phoenician_Language.png) was the “bread basket” of the roman empire. “or so i have read.”
Some people find it hard to believe East Asians could be smarter than whites because whites have invented so much of the modern world
Sailer has a good take on this: In China In World History, Historian S.A.M. Adshead explained that the Chinese were long ahead of the West because the practical Chinese concentrated upon technology and magic while the idealistic Europeans believed in theology and science. Over the last half millennium, the Western obsession with general principles has proven more useful than the Chinese taste for miscellaneous knowledge.
Idealism seems like a good proxy for mental illness, non-conformity, and narcissism.
I’m actually a pretty close match with the dude in the upper left corner (minus the gay vibe), just with Anglo features.
There’s definitely a “gay physiognomy.”
My impression is that gays are more likely to have shiny skin, upward slanting feminine eyes, big cheekbones, and large foreheads.
100% correct. And in fact many gays are bullied for it even before they themselves accept that they are gay. They are bullied purely on ‘looking gay’. I saw this happen a thousand times when I was in school.
For every rule there is an exception.
In this particular case what we have is a probably higher % of individuals with physionomy who end up to be gay but doesn’t represent the avg phenotype of this group.
Just like very feminized faces on males tend to be overwhelmingly associated with gayness but doesn’t mean all gay dudes have this characteristic. Because is so quasi exclusive to this group, people can think all individuals of this group are alike.
no. the bully-ing makes them gay.
There’s definitely a “gay physiognomy.”
Yes but the guy in the top left looks straight, at least to me.
Pill has any real knowledge about anything and specially about his repressed obsession. I wish he already was sterilized. A schizophrenic right wing garbage is always a chronic problem and couldnt procreate anymore.
Most people who are bullying don’t really deserve it and they are by subhumans like you pill who are a desgrace for existence. Lots of true “aryans” on the list of bullied. People with character and reason, quite different than a beast as you, pill.
Just start to show real intelligence, reason or creativity, empathy and kindness and you will entry to the list of bullyable people in most schools while in real world it should be the otherwise. And combine it with any difference. Even if people have some deficiency or health condition, so called normal people tend to bully them. There is something very wrong with avg human beings. Thats why retarded humanity still fighting hard to control covid-19. Humanity is in very bad form, morally and intelectually and surprise, the white and jewish elites, those who take the responsibility for themselves about all the world, are not doing a great job, very opposite, specially with reich wing politicians but not diametrically different with left wing ones.
If there is a people who should be harshly treated but with pitty, is you. A medication in one side to treat your mental disease and in other side showing for you your real place, of a ignorant chronically mature human-like creature.
One of my top reasons why i stop to comment here. I cant say anything about Oprah or jews, but pill can use this blog as his asylum bathroom (just recently that my comments about “them” were accepted). You need to choice PP or you prefer your good quality commenter or these insane ones. And i’m not necessarily talking about ideology because people can be decent and conservative at the same time. I know it’s not common, thought.
If Minnesotans want to end the paradox, they must continue to acknowledge and change polices, past and present, that have led to such wide racial disparities and that belie our self-image as a progressive and egalitarian state.
DIE consensus thought is so fucking lazy. Physical “equity” across all groups is the only relevant outcome in all debates over every public policy issue. Every other possible value or outcome is completely ignored.
Some of it’s cynical (and a lot of it’s from the usual sources) but most libtards simply aren’t able to think past step 1.
ALL cults have the principle of ‘universal love’ at their heart. Even warrior cults like Islam and Judaism extol universal love.
Yes. But what separates Episcopalianism from Judaism is that one of them is much more serious about following through.
when ken lay said: “it starts with good people.”
he wasn’t exactly lying.
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when i was in school one of my profs talked about his former student who’d gone to enron to “make real money”.
and billioaire arnold was a natty trader for enron. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Arnold
enron hasn’t been replaced. and the world is worse for it.
Whites and jews are totally illiterate in wisdom. We are the same in essence and it is a truth an absolute or existential truth, the most basic and the most important of all. After all we are finite and fragile fellow humans and living beings. But we are not the same on surface, otherwise, we are very diverse. Also a very important truth. We should seriously work based on this fundamental paradox and also a paradigm. But what liberals have done is ultraemphasising the core coerence of christianism differently than the masses who worship for christian Cult in the most hypocrite ways. Universalism is not a lie only when you think it’s beyond the essence of all living fellows. A truth becomes a lie when Its dimension is exagerated or reduced.
One of the few things “living Constitution” judges get right is that when you’re operating in the realm of ‘ought’ rather than the realm of ‘is’ you have to use multiple principals to guide you. There’s no one single principal or mechanical approach that can be applied to all questions.
Libertarians are the poster children for applying one nice-sounding principal (coercion is bad, dudes) to every single political issue, which is why some of the stuff they believe is so absurd.
Of course, the Steve Breyers of the world dishonestly use this idea as cover for their shitty agenda, but the point stands.
Libertarians is one the reason why IQ is not fantastically good to measure real world or Always contextualized intelligence. Are they anarcocapitalist right?
The problem is that most of what western societies are based are lies, from metaphysical mythology to recent dominant secular fundamentalism. It’s evident that Whites and jews are not prepared to deal with truth in systematic way. Probably because most of these elites are composed by sociopaths heavenly benefited by these ideological idiocracies like capitalism and multiculti. In the realm of lies the evil is always the winner.
And i’m not saying otherwise about Black or asian elites.
peepee is an anti-european racist.
FALSE! Rushton was the most pro-European white nationalist you could find & he blieved East Asians were superior. He didn’t want them in his country, but as a brilliant man, he knew they were superior.
Rushton didn’t say they were superior. I read his book. He said they were the best practitioners of K selection. He MIGHT have said something that K selection is a lot more amenable for civilisation to take place than R selection but thats as far as he got making value judgements.
Rushton was the most pro-European white nationalist…
LIE
LIE
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What’s pp’s definition of superior? More evolved?
If you equate superiority with evolutionary fitness, you’d probably come to the conclusion that african blacks are superior because they have the most offspring.
Actually if you controlled for enough things that definition could maybe work.
It would be kinda like how you can rank sports teams. The rules are and playing environments are identical, so the team with the best stats at year-end is the superior one.
You’d have to fix environment and TFR.
dude!
when peepee says: Rushton was the most pro-European white nationalist you could find
she means the only pro-European white nationalist i (peepee) could find
notice the incoherence/contradiction: the most pro-European white nationalist
what other kind of white nationalist is there than the MOST HARD HOLMES white nationalist?
Lol pp is not a woman, women aren’t intrested in science or iq
even if chinapeople were superior at whatever measure of intelligence rr would agree to…
this would be a trait of china people qua individuals.
the difference wouldn’t be so ginormous that china people qua people would outperform europeans.
there is more to national performance than the average of the performance of the nation’s individuals.
and china has the YUGE advantage that acient eretz israel wasn’t in hong kong.
isaac newton is still waiting.
aquinas is still waiting.
heidegger is still waiting.
they win the IMO and yet never get the Fields…
peepee says:
(because racism)
mugabe says:
because there’s more to a great society than…you climbed the mountain hurray! but who’s clapping and saying “hurray”? and who made the mountain?
It’s just your avg Chinese arrogance and ethnocentrism they are known to be arrogant, even since ancient times, they had the fleet required to conquer America before euros but they were arrogant and destroyed it because they had everything they needed
Also look at this
I don’t see euros trying to move to Asian countries for jobs it’s always Asians trying to get the fruits of the white man in western countries
There is no European tourism to China because they don’t have anything whites can not do, on the other hand Euros can do lots of things chinamen can’t do.
China people are not self awere and are just as racist to whites as blacks are
Lol. Sleight of hand. Asians also include poor Asian countries which is literally most of them.
Lol as if tourism means anything. Europeans go to touristy places in dumb Asian countries but kek logic.
China only has a record of arrogance because they have a long history of civilization and writing down their reactions but I guess survival bias isn’t a thing.
But I guess Eurocentric ideas are still trending and is totally not itself an example of arrogance just like Europeans still thought they could keep their colonies before World War II until it hit them. Cope.
what’s so OBVIOUSLY ABSURD about peepee’s ne asian supremacism is…
if any were a competitor to ancient greece it would be ancient india NOT ancient china.
but maybe this is just because chinese is such a shtty language in comparison to ancient greek and sanskrit…
but why would “gentically superior people” speak such a shitty language?
why?
why?
why?
And ancient India Was founded by the cousins of the Ancient Greeks (indo european)
Your point. That’s symmetrical so you can say founders of Ancient Greeks are cousins of Ancient India.
note that the video cuts out the PETA part.
this is NEW.
however evil (you may think the) nazis were…they LOVED animals.
they FUKING LOVED animals!
They wanted recreate extinct species in germanic soil to hunt them…
I see ANY systematic approach to make Germany vegetarian during the nazi regime.
The major creator of veganism is a jewish philosopher.
Disproportionate rates of veganism we can see in Israel and among lesbian circles.
I don’t know any historical source showing nazi propaganda explicitly defending ethic vegetarianism.
Can you provide any one??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer
My fault
Peter Singer is not the creator of Veganism but he has been of the most influent vegan today.
And Israel is not the most vegan country but it’s not like Germany the sausage land.
One of the reason why Black societies and communities are even more chaotic is that because the dominant toxic masculinity. Also responsible for the higher criminality rates.
Yeah, LGBT…. 3,14….. mostly gave to the world a chronic sexually infectious diseases pandemic but heterossexual males are significatively responsible for all human-made problems.
According to Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley (Our Wit Ends: Why We’re Becoming Less Intelligent and What It Means for the Future book) the peak European
genetic IQ was in Victorian times, and it was about 115 and is decreasing at around 1 point per decade.
So Victorian Europeans might as well be smarter than modern and their contemporary Asians, that’s why they were able to create empires, start the Industrial Revolution etc. Modern Europeans being genetically deteriorated from the peak European are not smarter than Asians.
Similar level was found in Mycenean Grece, while classic Rome was on a dumb side. So modern is not the only decline in the history?
I mean average IQs of course. Peak average of the populations 🙂