The below video is of a Tex Tech student:
According to a comment on Reddit, her SAT score was below 800.
Pumpkinperson.com has not been able to independently confirm that but assuming she took the post 2016 SAT, that would equate to an IQ below 85 (U.S. norms) or below 80 (white norms). It seems the lower the IQ, the less seriously the virus is being taken.
PP, use some common sense here. OF COURSE she doesn’t have an 85 IQ. Why would you even believe some random nobody on the internet just like that?
Did I say I believed it? No I specifically said it’s not confirmed. But why are you certain it’s not true?
I mean you just made a whole post around it but yeah you didn’t say you fully believed it, agreed.
I think it’s not true because she’s literally a university student first of all. It also doesn’t look like she got in through affirmative action so at the very least she would have an average IQ.
you can tell peepee’s adoration of oprah is only ironic because she won’t post this comment.
What does one’s income have to be to be very upper class? PP is the type to lament their privilege yet be very proud of it simultaneously. They think they’re genetically superior to the common man because their grandpa was a doctor but can offset it by espousing ‘liberal’ values.
Class != income
Sure it does Pumpkin stop being insincere. Class is a certain result of how much money one makes and how it affects the environment in which they live. If one lives in a a high-class environment he or she adapts principles that are useful to becoming a high-class person. Same thing with all the other classes in essence.
If one aspires to be like or emulates a group of people does he or she not embody that group sometime in the future? Is this not mostly applicable when someone has the means to make it happen?
Yes.
So why you assert that class does not equal income when one results in the other becoming not just a mere illusion but a reality altogether!
In short money opens doors to entering certain classes more than anything else. There may be other factors but money is the most important. You cant be poor and be in an upper class but you can be rich and be in a lower class due to your environment.
If you become a citizen of China, are you suddenly Chinese? You may be a Chinese citizen but that doesn’t mean you look, act, speak and are accepted as a Chinese person.
Similarly, you can acquire an upper class bank account, but that doesn’t mean you look, act, speak or are accepted as Upper Class.
Money is to class as citizenship is to ethnicity: A very crude proxy.
Even after two generations of extreme wealth, Donald Trump was not accepted as Upper Class because he lacked the right accent, tastes, appearance, eloquence and cultural sophistication. By contrast, Emma Thompson could lose all her wealth in the stock market and still be Upper Class because she just exudes a certain quality. Class is not something you have, it’s something you are.
PP is right – wow we agree on something.
Social class is about much more than ones income, it’s about how one acts, thinks, and feels too.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/02/class-differences
I’d rather be trailer trash making a million a year than a broke aristocrat
PP is right. Dan Bilzerian is a case in point. He’s richer than God but he’s a tasteless douchebag. I have no respect for him at all.
Speaking of China, it’ll be interesting to see what Asian Americans will be like when they finally start assimilating into the upper class. A lot of them are wealthy in a nouveau riche kinda way but I’ve yet to meet one who’s classy.
It didn’t take Jews nearly as long though. Class is also a function of where you live and what you do for a living, but to a lesser extent.
You didn’t “sign” this with your “IQ”—how can I trust you?
I think in common parlance people use class to refer to economic class, not social class.
there is a caste above brahmin called “non-indian”.
Covid almost exclusively kills the old or immunodepressed. It’s just the flu, pussies. Get over yourselves. Let’s just let the damn thing infect as many people as possible and get it over with.
Signed, a 150 IQ
Its funny how youre using your IQ as a source of credibility. Only people below a hundred IQ (not applicable here) or the completely autistic (like some on this blog) would give you credibility based solely on that.
In fact most would be hesitant to believe someone claiming to be that intelligent. Not meant to be an insult just an observation.
Come on dude, I’m completely autistic and i hold very little belief in applying intellectual credibility based on an IQ score. Like you said, if someone prefaces an argument with an IQ score, I’d probably be less confident in their expertise and intellectual abilities. In fact, I’d sooner attribute narcissism than intelligence.
If anything, I’m more tilted towards requiring hard evidence of ability, not verbiage and wank. Proof’s in the pudding, so to speak.
How does that contradict anything I said though?
We know very little about the long-term effects of this virus on even young and healthy people. It could cause lasting organ damage.
Even then, it’s not just the flu, it’s far more dangerous (due to its novelty). Many people in their 20s and 30s have been hospitalized, so it’s not just an old age disease.
Cigarettes cause lasting lung damage. Where is the care?
From what I’ve read recently about COV and young people, we’re starting to learn about the lasting health effects (on lungs and breathing) in young people now.
JuSt ThE fLu
The Flu is more dangerous to kids than covid. More kids die from the flu than covid.
About 0.2% of U.S. covid kids die:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/7/14/1_5023528.html
Don’t know what percent of U.S. flu kids dies
“0.2% of U.S. covid kids die”
Don’t we need to include “exposed, but not infected” to make a better calculation of risk to children? I know that can’t really be measured.
That’s a good point. We lock down over a mild respiratory infection but don’t ban McDonald’s even though obesity is apparently associated with like 20% of all deaths in the US, and that’s not counting how it aggravates kung flu symptoms.
The issue here is that the corona virus is novel and we have no definitive treatment for it. Scientists are working on a vaccination, but until then there is not definitive treatment. Obesity, lung shit has been studied to death, and we know much more about them than we do covid. And covid has hospitalized many many people, and that’s a problem considering we don’t have a definitive treatment for it. Covid would also be much much worse than it is now if we didn’t have like a billion quarantine measures in place.
Also, obesity isn’t contagious.
My father used the same argument but had alcohol as an example
The difference is, drinking and eating fast food are choices.
Getting an infectious disease is really not a choice.
It should be a choice for those willing to risk it. Think about it like party divisions in the United states and think about how red and blue can be exchanged for pro-mask and anti-mask.
Obesity most certainly IS contagious if you look at it as the symptom of a memetic infection, i.e., advertising. It even has institutionalized military bases (fast food joints).
But nobody looks at it like that and it’s still a shitty comparison.
Ganzir- if you’re in contact with an obese person, you won’t get obese. Being around obese people won’t make you eat rapidly. If you’re in contact with a covid patient, you’ll get covid, same for being around them.
Haha as if your “IQ” is meaningful to what you wrote.
Although I agree with Ganzir, I carry Pumpkin’s caution, due to the fact that this virus is lab-modified/made to be foremost attracted to ACE2 receptors.
I meant to say Human ACE2.
I can’t conscientiously accept praise from anyone who says “due to the fact that” instead of “because.”
Yeah. I can understand that.
In scholastic tests « due to » presents a reason for a noun versus « because of » that presents a reason for an action verb or sentence.
Thus:
Pumpkin’s caution, that I carry, is due to that virus being ….
versus
I carry pumpkins caution because of that virus ….
Vide:
https://e-gmat.com/blogs/due-to-vs-because-of/
But i also read another rule : using « due to » after a form of « to be » and never using because with « to be ».
Vide:
https://linguistech.ca/Tips+and+Tricks+-+Because+of+vs.+Due+to
Both rules are compatible only if « to be » an auxiliary (like « he is going to the cinema) doesn’t count as a form of « to be » in the second rule that would preclude « because of » when the first rule would compel it.
Thus my conclusion about the matter is:
I could never in conscience take seriously someone who would evaluate any statement on such senseless rules 😊
Based on your own evaluation or that from other sources like tests, what is better: your verbal performance or your non-verbal performance?
Verbal
Is the top of your head a little pointy/disproportionately high than broad skull?
Mine is. And my skull is en bombe for good measure.
@loaded
A pointy head shows acrocephaly. A situation where the head is disproportionately tall. I have been wondering if there is a link between the height width index vs verbal and non verbal iq profile for some time now. The correlation may not be a strong one but I suspect that it is non zero.
By the way loaded, aren’t you better at verbal than non verbal?
The bottom of this article has some relevant data though sample size likely too small to be meaningful:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2018/08/31/increasing-head-size-in-u-s-men-1966-to-2012/
Sorry flamin I misinterpreted what you were asking. I do indeed have a verbal tilt for sure.
I am low brachy or high mesocephalic in my facial index.
Thanks.
@pp: that is behind a paywall and what is visible just mentions iq, not verbal vs non verbal. My hypothesis is acrocranic skulls being at least weakly linked to verbal iq and tapeinocranic skulls being linked to non verbal iq. I believe that I used the example of Jordan Peterson vs Sir Roger Penrose in the past. Though I also think that it would only explain a small part of the variance if any at all.
This is easily the most ignorant statement I’ve read on here in a good while.
Signed, someone who actually knows what they’re talking about
According to a Google search, “Texas Tech University typically requires applicants to be in the top 47 percent of SAT test takers”.
She probably wouldn’t qualify with a measly 800 though she may have retaken the test.
So you can have an entire YouTube channel devoted to exposing “karens” but if I make one joke about the holocaust or dindus I get banned.
Dat makez senths
Pumpkin, I assume you’ve spoken to some psychologists. What is their consensus on the similarities subtest when administered to bilinguals?
Intuitively, similarities is a better gauge of verbal ability than, say a vocabulary test. This is because skill in similarities is language independent (assuming that you know the basic words in the test), while vocabulary depends more on exposure to words that you may not have seen in English.
She very well could have a double-digit IQ though. Third and fourth generation kids of alums get preferential admissions treatment at a lot of schools.
I know a couple of dumber-than-shit white girls who got into decent schools bc their parents and grandparents went there.
RR does digit ratio seem like something you still dont believe in?
Digit ratio questions are my biggest interest. I have a strong belief that prenatal hormones affect life history more than anything. This is why I started asking these questions.
I have a pretty high sex drive despite my digit ratio. I feel that i should be able to fuck all girls i have an interest in for sure. Im just too timid again due to my digit ratio.
I know this is confirmation bias but im willing to hedge a sufficient bet that digit ratio lowers testosterone but heightens other sexual hormones that affect drive.
I like this style of thinking quite a bit.
I’d also look at extraversion and conscientiousness for predicting the extent to which people flaunt the restrictions. IQ has been shown to be a good predictor of how well one rationalizes their drives and emotions and so you could have highE, lowC people who instead of rationally assessing the pros and cons of Partayy, they want to party, and rationalize it ad hoc. ‘It only kills old people, guys’, ‘This is all just a plan by the government to keep us inside + *conspiracy*, so i’mma party anyway’
Pumpkin, is the 2 point discrepancy in VIQ for Asians cultural (because of bilingualism)?
Does anybody here know of a study that compares Asian-American monolinguals to Asian- American bilinguals?
Forgive my being 180⁰ off topic as I’ve got what has become an extraordinarily pressing matter. Consider the hypothetical: Suppose that you believed you’d something significant to add to (if not guide) the conversation on a notable and fundamental philosophical conundrum, an issue that is of profound importance and bearing. Further, suppose that you’d a mere hint of credibility derived from a discovery – a minor breakthrough in Physics you’d made decades earlier – and that you earn a blue-collar living just like scores of millions of others. You would like to set the job aside and focus on writing your book, undistracted by the dragging influences of the green-paper chase. How might you go about raising the necessary monetary sustenance? A grant? Crowdfunding? Something novel? TIA
I’m reminded of the movie “The Shining” where the main character takes a job as the winter caretaker of an isolated hotel so he can focus on his writing
Puppy stop trying to crush this man’s dreams.
All work and no play… Anyone have an opening? Excellent (and quite funny) take on the matter.
Philo’, thanks for the ostensible support, but understand that, at this relatively advanced age, fragility and “dreams” have been supplanted by pragmatic sense, realism, and necessity.
dreams are prole.
you should aspire to live and die and be forgotten.
Nature has man over a barrel…
because humans are a social animal they confuse status and fame with survival.
a line from one of the fusion scientists in the langan issue of Esquire said, “someday plato will be forgotten. what matters is what you did.”
so 1,000 years from now almost all the famous role models will have been forgotten.
and in 10,000 years all of them.
no one has much power or effect in the long run.
or if they have an effect they won’t get credit.
right?
for one thing there just become too many famous people to remember.
“big time” was w’s nickname for cheney. cheney apparently was a creation of his wife’s ambition. look how that turned out. the only gentile neocon.
sometimes making a difference means being a horrible person.
Cheney was likely being blackmailed
“History forgets the individual,” says Mark Derzon pensively, surrounded by no fewer than thirty photographs of his two young daughters. “One day Plato will be forgotten. Ultimately, the name you make for yourself is not the important thing. It’s what you did, what you stood up for, what you acted on. Did you try to make the world a better place? In order to do it, the world needs fusion. I just happen to think Z is the best way to get there. And we’re going to have one serious pizza party around here if it is.”
when i think of “dreams” i think of winning some competition which almost everyone must per force lose. like having the dream of being a professional afalete or daytime talk show host is prole, because it means beating so many other people. what do the losers do? it’s better not to have such competitions. the externalities outweigh the benefits.
Cheney and Rumsfeld were prominent under the Ford administration in various roles. The ford admin happened right after Nixon was deposed. So logic suggests whatever got rid of Nixon probably is on the side of Cheney/Rumsfeld.
But Ford himself was also a member of Dulles JFK cover up as he was part of the warren commission.
Make of the second fact what you will.
cheney was secretary of defense for the first gulf war peepee and ceo of defense contractor haliburton. and the GOP believed another short war would win them seats in congress, which the second gulf war actually did immediately before and immediately after the invasion. and w was reelected in part on the idea that “changing a horse in midstream risks drowning.” bush 41 had the highest approval rating of any president after winning the first iraq war. and w believed the war via military spending would keep the US out of recession.
no blackmail is necessary. just evil and greed.
ryan dawson said cheney was the DC Madame’s & thus was potentially blackmailed, but I haven’t confirmed Dawson’s claim. But Cheney was the perfect fall guy because he makes it looks like the Iraq war was motivated by corporate greed, concealing the genetic greed that was truly behind it.
you say it’s a rational bubble but 20+ year investment grade corporate bonds yield 3.5% and short term rates are 0%. so why would someone buy AAPL at an an earnings yield of less than 3%, rather than lever the much less volatile long term investment grade coporate bonds? especially if he expects japanification of the US. europe is already japanified. some junk bonds have negative yield.
and iphone sales peaked in 2015 and AAPL’s position in the smart phone market is unsustainable. it makes 75% of all profits in the market. yuge profit margin on a TOY!
and yes. AAPL is the iphone. everything else it sells is nothing.
“no blackmail is necessary. just evil and greed.”
Idiot
this bubble is being driven by the “dumb money”, small retail traders.
AMZN’s revenues aren’t growing much faster in europe than in the US even though they’re much smaller.
its revenues are still only about 60% those of walmart, which has about a 4% pretax margin and the largest revenues of any company. its web services has lots of competiton and margins will fall.
so what revenues would AMZN have to have and sustain for 30 years to be worth 1.6T?
even at a p/e = 30 it would have to have revenues of 1.3T, more than 4x what it has today. it will be broken up long before then.
pumpkin, if 30-40% of Asians are monolingual, would they bring down the viq piq discrepancy? Is it proven?
Pumpkin, if the vci pri discrepancy among Asians is 0 points, but 40% of Asian are monolingual, would they bring the discrepancy down by 3-4 points?
Can you have a followup post in a month where we can see how many of those present died? We can place bets. I’ll take the long shot and wager 0.
Let’s just hope they don’t visit grandma at the nursing home.
You’re gonna kill granma!
Why can’t they just wear masks and 6′ for nursing home visitors? Masks and 6′ works, right? Why can’t paranoid oldsters just choose move to a quarantine wing of the home that does’t allow any visitors?
If she decimates a nursing home by her visit, she only shaves off a few months of life anyway.
Length of Stay in Nursing Homes at the End of Life
“the median length of stay in a nursing home before death was 5 months”
It is a positive thing, though, that a doomer/normie such as yourself does acknoweledges that this virus is only a danger (and a moderate one at that) to only the old with weakened constitutions, and not ebola, Black death, Pandemic movie, Contagion movie, 12 Monkeys movie. Literally just the flu.
Just watched 12 monkeys again. Very entertaining.
769 math
702 language
1471 total
What’s my IQ pumpkin?
You did not take the SAT Anime. Those are not SAT scores. You even told us (me and Austin).
I said I do not remember. So I may have. If not, what do the numbers mean?
Thats a pretty vague question…i think you told us both were out of 800. So my recommendation is to find the percentiles of your scores and compare to the average New Mexico population and you have your IQ.
Pumpkin, both Asians and Hispanics have verbal IQs underestimated by around 2.5 points (2.56 for Asians, and 2.8 for Hispanics), how do you determine what the difference because of bilingualism is?
If it implies something, similarities scores for Asians were lower than Matrix Reasoning, but Information subtest and Vocabulary scores were equal. There is no way vocabulary wouldn’t be underestimated, since it’s proven that bilinguals have lower vocabularies, the question is really about similarities, is it lower because of bilingualism.
College without parties is like a restaurant without food. Or Tumblr without porn.
Why is the discrepancy among Asians the same as the discrepancy among Hispanics?
Why does the stupid girl’s face seem to have a blur effect? Is it some kind of makeup? I don’t think it’s caused by the camera since I’ve seen similarly textured faces in real life, mostly from lower-class white girls who seem to have an I.Q. in the 90s and a sex drive above the 90th percentile.
ugh this COVID thing has really been extremely annoying. Now practically all the universities in Ontario will be doing classes online for the entirety of first year. That is so irritating.
The rona isn’t even a big deal to begin with
Pumpkin, would the underestimate of Hispanics’ verbal IQ be the same as the underestimate of Asians’ verbal IQ? Even when the discrepancy between VIQ and PIQ are the same for both groups?
It depends on the rates of bilingualism in both groups
The rates are about the same around 35%.
I thought a Karen was a busybody/hall monitor/tattletale who calls the police on people for petty violations of the law.
This is a 180′ reversal of the concept. The Karen would be the one rebuking those breaking the rules by not wearing masks for. The ones not wearing the masks would be the 8-year-old black girl selling water without a permit.
Accurate.
So pumpkin, what is the explanation for lower performance iq for Asians as adults when compared to them as kids? At the adult level, is the discrepancy mostly bilingualism?
Pumpkin, how can the IQs decrease by a couple points like that?
It could be sampling error or it could be the type of Asians (south vs east vs southeast)
Could be- there were only 60 Asians in one sample, another one only had 71 Asians in the sample. I guess even the WAIS isn’t immune to error. But even then, in the wisc sample there were only 200 subjects, so I don’t think it’s just sample error. And the Asians would most likely be Chinese or Indian. So, what else could explain it? Could it just be that performance iq just decreases as you age for some reason, and the discrepancy is solely bilingualism?
200 per age group that is.
Pumpkin, a 7 point difference will corresponds to a scaled score of 1 right, on the 1-19 scale?
Pumpkin, I’m probs overthinking this right? If bilingualism is the cause of PIQ VIQ discrepancy, then the same would apply to Asians right? And the magnitude would be the same because bilingualism rates are equal.
lynn argues that the east asian PIQ > VIQ is genetic; caused by greater exposure to the ice age.
Tell you what. Just redact everything here and confirm yes/no [redacted by pp, sept 16, 2020]
I’ll answer all your questions via email if in turn you agree to take tests by email. Results confidential unless you choose otherwise
(a) Im not giving you my email
(b) I dont want to take your tests
(c) I kinda know the answer to my question
You realize you can create a throwaway email with a fake name right. You would love these tests. I did not create them & it would cost you thousands of dollars to take them without my connections who will administer them to you for free
To quote Donald Trump talking to minorities “what have you got to lose? You already live in a slum”
pumpkin, can I email you and take the tests?
not yet
This planet zoo game is super tough. Much tougher to get a zoo running from nothing than the previous editions. You could spend an hour just trying to get to a balanced cash flow. This game is totally not suitable for children.
I think there comes a point where a game is too tough to be worth the time and effort. I was playing Nioh and realised i’d just have to grind for hours killing low level enemies to be a high enough power level to face even just the first boss.
I notice the games like nioh which are made primarily for the east asian audience are a lot about grinding and repetitive gameplay. I think its a reflection of the fact that east asians have a greater threshold for boring tasks and activities. Unz suggested this was from rice farming. I would suggest its because of husbandry by Master.
But pumpkin, for Hispanics the vow pow discrepancy is the same, so I can hep but feel there has to be a decent amount of discrepancy because of bilingual. For Hispanics the gap is most likely bilingualism.
Which “Hispanics” are you talking about? “Hispanics” are a socially constructed race—theyre not a biological race.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2020/08/30/the-social-construction-of-the-hispanic-latino-spanish-race/
I understand, but they have “mongoloid” admixture
Technically, yes. It’s Siberian.
And that depends which “Hispanics” you’re talking about. Admixture, of course, varies between “Hispanic” populations. It’s high in Central America and Mexico, and parts of South America—though there is a good chunk of South Americans that have direct ancestry to Europe since they migrated after WWII (and even some Italians migrated there after the unification in 1861).
There’s no such thing as biological race either.
What’s the argument?
The continent of Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the world. Race is a bunch of arbitrary traits linked together, and historically purported to show something deeper.
Pumpkin, if it’s genetic, then where does the bilingual disadvantage come from. You’d expect the difference to be the same in Asians as it is in hispanics. In Hispanics it’s most certainly bilingualism, what accounts for the bilingualism in Asians?
Pumpkin, would Asians’ underestimate of verbal IQ be around 5 points? Do you have studies to back this up?
Would it be reasonable just to use the Hispanic underestimates and apply it to Asians, since they are both equally bilingual? There isn’t much data about Asians out there, but if Hispanics are losing out on verbal points because of bilingualism (and it’s been widely regarded as such), wouldn’t the same logic apply to asians?
There’s no way of knowing unless we find studies comparing the wechsler scores of Asians/hispanics adopted into English vs bilingual homes
Part of the verbal deficit could be genetic since both Asians & to a lesser degree Hispanics are considered mongoloid which some argue was a cold adapted race & spatial ability may have been selected by the cold
is there any such study?
Ok, so controlling for education and everything- if the average college goer had a 3.6 points vci pri discrepancy, and the average was 107, for asians it’s 106, so, the average 106 person would have a discrepancy of 3 points or so. Asians have a discrepancy around .7 points, so just add that to 2.88, and then you get 3.5, the same discrepancy for wisc v (wisc v gave parental education level, but since college going is a proxy for iq, i think this could work). Pumpkin, is my reasoning correct?
Pumpkin, it has however been proven that monolingual adults, and early bilingual children have different vocabulary sizes (all else being equal), which would mean the vocabulary subtest would be underestimated in bilinguals.
rr logic:
P1. a race is a category of people.
P2. bodybuilders are a category of people.
C. bodybuilders are a socially constructed race.
No, RR is right. Hispanics are a socially constructed race because they’re listed as a race in the U.S. census.
Where are my comments?
in hell
LMAO
WTF Im not allowed have an opinion on the word ‘race’?
Thankfully no.
professors (and especially anthropology professors) now have negative authoritah on matters of race.
a person or group of people or institution possessing “negative authoritah” on a given matter has the opposite of “authority” on that matter. whatever he or it says on the matter is ipso facto wrong.
https://2020census.gov/en/about-questions/2020-census-questions-race.html
The category “White” includes all individuals who identify with one or more nationalities or ethnic groups originating in Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. Examples of these These groups include, but are not limited to, German, Irish, English, Italian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Polish, French, Iranian, Slavic, Cajun, and Chaldean.
so one can identify as white or black or native american or mixed race and as hispanic.
STOP LYING!
My bad: hispanic’s not considered a cenus race, just a sub-category all races are divided into:
Race and ethnicity are considered separate and distinct identities, with Hispanic or Latino origin asked as a separate question. Thus, in addition to their race or races, all respondents are categorized by membership in one of two ethnic categories, which are “Hispanic or Latino” and “Not Hispanic or Latino”. However, the practice of separating “race” and “ethnicity” as different categories has been criticized both by the American Anthropological Association and members of US Commission on Civil Rights.[6][7]
There’s literally no good reason for the hispanic category to even exist. All it does it let brown people grift off the civil rights movement. Abolish the fucking category!
Sadly, I suspect it’s also there to preserve the integrity of the white category. “Non-Hispanic white” is code for “white”.
Pumpkin, is it true that if vocab is affected, similarities would also probably be affected?
The PPVT shows about an 8 point vocab difference between bilinguals and monolinguals. So there definitely is a vocabulary disadvantage for bilinguals. But apparently, even though this is the case, vocabulary in both languages are equal or above the average monolinguals’ vocabulary.