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I recently listened to an excellent discussion between Spencer Wells and Razib Khan about the civil unrest we’re seeing in the United States.

I already loved their podcast because of the fascinating discussions about genomics and human evolution, but this show, which had nothing to do with either, turned out to be my favorite episode yet.

As a horror fan, I’ve also enjoyed listening late at night to dark discussions prophesying the breakdown of civilization, but usually such shows are hosted by nutty survivalist types. This is the first time I’ve heard a high IQ show discuss this.

You can listen to the show here.