I’ve been getting some interesting emails from a reader who lives in Southern Eastern Ontario. He and his wife decided to move out to the country because they love being close to nature, but there are no PhD parents in the area, so their ten-year-old daughter is attending school with a lot of academically low performers. He is concerned about how this well affect her development, and so he wants to have her IQ tested to see what he can reasonably expect from her. Because the school board only does assessments in extreme cases, he has decided to pursue private testing.
My advice to him was to contact someone who routinely administers the WISC-V IQ test. If the psychologist offers to administer the WISC-IV, WISC-III, WISC-R, or heaven forbid, the original 1949 WISC, they are obviously using obsolete instruments and thus not up to speed.
He contacted one psychologist who appeared competent in giving the WISC-V, but this person was charging an astonishing $1000 to do so! What an idiot I was to not get into graduate school! I could have been following my passion for IQ and earning $1000 every time I gave the Wechsler, which is such a fascinating test, I would give it everyday for free!
Although I was happy to see the “free market” has placed so much value on the Wechsler scales, I told the reader $1000 was way too much money just to determine his daughter’s IQ. He probably already has an intuitive sense of how smart she is just from observing her behavior for the past decade, so getting a precise scientific number is not going to change much. Indeed, even the most famous IQ proponent. Arthur Jensen, was a huge believer that one’s IQ should not be known by yourself, or authority figures like parents and teachers, except in extreme cases where one is suffering from anxiety about their intelligence. He felt the best way to determine if you’re capable of succeeding in a given domain is to go out and try.
The reader asked whether I could suggest cheaper options like online testing. I replied:
I think online tests are good enough measures of intelligence, but the problem is they are not well normed, and especially not for children, so I can’t recommend any.
I’m not an expert on parenting, but common sense suggests that a sympathetic peer and family environment can make a huge difference. If the schools in your area are not very challenging, I would supplement her education by giving her home assignments, such as insisting she do a book report for you to grade, once a month (or more). Allow her to choose the books herself so she can pursue subjects that interest her and thus develop a love for learning while acquiring knowledge in subjects she is passionate about.
The fact that her classmates have low IQs could even be positive because it will make it easier for her to rise to the top of the class, which will give her great academic confidence. And being forced to relate to duller children could be good for her social skills.
He thanked me for my advice and offered to send me some homemade food (one of the perks of being a celebrity is people are always offering you free stuff). I politely declined and did not hear from him in over a month.
And then the other day he sent me another email. It seems that now the psychologists want his daughter to take an education test in addition to the WISC-V, and that the entire process will cost $2000! They feel the WISC-V alone will not provide enough information.
Can anyone offer him some advice?
I got my IQ tested at age 7 and 17 in elementary school and then high-school. This was 20 years ago and 10 years ago though so things may have changed.
I’ve heard of IQ tests going for around 400 dollars where I live in New Jersey. 1000 and 2000 dollars is ridiculously high.
He should keep trying and calling different psychologists. Eventually he’ll get one at a reasonable price.
What do you think a reasonable price is, PP?
It’s hard to say what a reasonable price is. Prices are determined by the market and the market is determined by supply and demand. In the case of IQ tests, supply is artificially kept low because only a tiny number of professionals are allowed to administer the Wechsler professionally, but demand remains high,so prices skyrocket.
You were tested at both 7 and 17? Interesting. I wonder how consistent the scores were and which tests you took.
I don’t remember either of them. I’ll check out what my area administered in the past ten years and get back to you.
I’ll also dig into my school files and get back you on that as well. I’m interested in seeing how much of a regression there was from 7 to 17.
I remember being tested at 108 at 17.
Sounds fascinating. And you were another case of a large gap between your official IQ and your performance on the reading and math SATs.
4-subtests WASI may be cheaper. Or RSPM plus some vocabulary test (Mill Hill for instance)
Excellent idea! The WASI has norms for children and is an abbreviated and thus potentially cheaper Wechsler.
But your reader should be aware : wasi scores are not the best estimation of wisc fsiq – the test has many specially developed new items , the subrtests are longer, the sample was different from wais/wisc’s. Some authors seem to be unhappy that many short proxies , combined from subtests of ” big” Wechslers themselves are better for it. But a different test very naturally yields a bit different score, one should be careful , discussing in terms of ” worse/ better “
Videla will probably add to my comments.
The Anglo-Sphere or the Anglo-Prole Sphere, is where its wealthy elitists separates itself from the multitude of dregs, like the CEOs of the higher food chain, who exploit their dumb low level workers, in order to get rich in the process, and then avoiding them at all costs, because they only serve one useful function.
America has the starkest class divide and highest gini coefficient as a result, and no normal person who isn’t wealthy, yet intelligent should even tolerate such an abuse. Anglo-Prole Canada is a mini America, as one can observe from Pumpkin’s post regarding the above said individual, who wants his daughter to get away from proles, just like many wealthy snobs in America do with their poorer neighbors, who enriched them in the 1st place.
‘But im not colored so I cant be prole’ (average American attitude, so it’s sarcasm)
that is, spain is homogeneous compared to most of europe, but it’s still a very class riven society. as are france, italy and portugal.
the border countries like switzerland and the low countries are a little better, more like germany and the nordic countries or the former warsaw pact countries.
canada actually has the softest class structure in the developed world.
but, in a classless society no one has any class.
Class as in proleness:
Ameriprolandia’s high class is Western Europe’s trash. Spain’s and France’s peasants have more class than any urban New Yorker – Lion Jew type.
It’s me again.
I share your complete disgust with the American Prole. I never realized how bad it was until Trump. Trump is going to nuke Europe but at the same time defend the white race. Fucktards.
the fucktards are the ones who’ll vote for hill rather than trump.
sanders is best, unless he’s just in it to help the jews even more.
hill = wall street stooge
trump = stooge who’s nobody’s stooge
the honest idiot is better than the corrupt whatever.
i know i’m not the only one who thinks hillary’s closest look alike is…
get over yourself you hopeless SNOB (first chronological sense)!
A person with an exaggerated respect for high social position or wealth who seeks to associate with social superiors and dislikes people or activities regarded as lower-class.
for more on trump the great see the following:
https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist?ref_src=twsrcgoogle|twcampserp|twgrauthor
Even Pumpkin is disgusted with prole NYC and its environs. It’s filthy, rude, ugly and abrasive, essentially prole. NYC is the most coveted city in America.
What Pumpkin doesn’t understand or refuse to come to grips, is that NYC is the main home of his beloved high IQ demographic, the Ashkenazim. Israel comes in a close 2nd. Jews synonymous of NYC is like a Spaniard to Madrid.
btw,
both of those guys is a jewish faggot, a description not an “epithet” as johnny cochran mis-used the term.
perhaps the coming 1000 y trumpenreich is a “jump” in evolution for america.
italy, the former masters of europe, led the way with another vulgar and ridiculous billionaire, berlusconi.
hair plugs and prostitutes and he was re-elected.
but if it were up to me THIS guy would be president of america-stan, he was actually born in up-state new york not australia:
and THIS guy would be president of italy, he has an italian surname even though he’s from gibraltar:
drunk jew haters 2016!
but is anywhere in westchester upstate?
ya know my own father and his father and his father and idk were born in NYC.
yet not a trace of jew.
lucky me.
I loathe Hillary.
“*trump = stooge who’s nobody’s stooge*”
brilliant.
Yiannapolous is a jew.
that’s what i just said.
thanks for repeating me.
or rather he’s an halakhic jew. his dad is greek, obviously.
Videla thinks I view Italians a step below the Spaniards. But Anglo Saxon Proles are inferior barbarians to the noble Spaniards and artistic Italians.
To compare the Italians with the Spaniards, is like comparing the master craftsman and the courageous conqueror with an artistic flair.
No doubt Italians were the main instigators of fine art and design, with very few rivals and many emulators, and the Romans before them in their peninsula, were the masters of the ancient arts, surpassing that of the Greeks.
Spain defeated its Moors, and then conquer the New World. It carved out many nations and created new peoples, never imagined in history.
Spain invented HBD before the English Proles, and then discarded it. HBD was the pretext for Spain’s New Empire.
so how’d the krauts dupe everyone?
spain is now just a colony of the Grossdeutsches Reich, aka the EU.
in other news, Where to Invade Next is now available online for free.
I’m flooding the “comments” section, but what the hell.
Trump by definition is all right. However, he’s a monkey. Jesus Christ, now he’s all over the news telling Bernie to “run as independent” he wants to split the vote of the democrats so he can win. Is he that god damn stupid to think Bernie and Bernie’s supporters won’t see what he is up to? Does he really think it is some clever, tricky plan that will work, that’s not blindingly obvious? I dare say, maybe. I previously (under another name) estimated his IQ at 115. In all honesty, even that may be to high of an estimate. Having someone with that IQ? It would be worse than Regan and Bush II (who was actually quite bright) combined.
trump follows in the tradition of another gentile Cynic from queens.
this guy…another one of my heroes…
he can afford to be Diogenic because he was born rich.
he may not be “very superior” like peepee…
but his social IQ is.
he has reached the 3d and final level of social IQ.
like perot he’s telling the truth about trade.
he’s telling the truth about immigration.
he’s lying about guns, israel, and taxes.
can’t you see? it’s so obvious.
i guess there’s a huge gap.
trump gets the IQ 300 (or >= 127 to appease peepee).
obviously sanders is best.
so why isn’t he winning 80% of the vote?
stupid people, especially stupid minorities.
that’s why.
another Cynic endorses trump.
another doer of heroic deeds.
I feel more secure having two super smart non-proles at the helm of our grate, not at all prole nation;
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-source-cruz-taps-fiorina-to-serve-as-running-mate/ar-BBskSVN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/04/20/brilliant-ted-cruz-towers-as-the-smartest-presidential-candidate/
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/09/17/carly-fiorinas-iq-2/
ok peepee.
I am not peepee. I wanna be like Ted when I grow up. God, this guy is good. The Machiavelli of our century, he may run as third party, splitting the GOP vote, as a favor to the establishment and then get the nod for either President or Vice President in 2020.
Don’t worry, Ted doesn’t like Jews anymore, not after that “New York values” debacle.
wait? Where did your comment go?
or apparentley she could win him California….
How reliable online IQ tests actually are? For example a Mensa test or a test which is based on WAIS?
Well the real problem with online tests is not so much their content, but their norming. It sometimes takes a lot of money and some statistical knowledge to get a representative sample on which to norm an IQ test.
Most of the time, they never explain how the test was normed and standardized.
No need to know your IQ. Though it probably wouldn’t hurt either. And I belong to the school of thought that intelligent and motivated people will find their place in life regardless of their initial environment. Unless maybe they experience extremely severe child abuse or malnutrition or something…
Very helpful. Like preventing you from moving into challenging careers while basing your internal knowledge on previous experience (only). For example you can be good at HS mathematics with an (even) IQ of 115, but you will quite likely fail in every serious math/phys program, even though you may like the subject.
Hmm..perhaps, although I feel most people already have a grasp of how well they can do in math/physics, or if they don’t, they’ll quickly find out in entry level coursework.
And a 115 IQ could probably complete most undergrad degrees in math/physics, given the right level of effort, but completion of grad degree programs would be highly unlikely.
This is based on WAIS III (I believe) score of matfyz student (one of the two most prestigous schools in my country). He liked math and did quite well in our version of more prestigious high school but failed hard at the college level. Court documents. He stabbed a hobo. His main problem was lack of time and his crazy personality, his intellect was also a factor. 😀