A guy named Shaan Patel acquired HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in scholarship money by scoring perfect on his SAT. What’s interesting about his case is that he claims that when he first took an SAT practice test, he scored 1760 out of 2400 which on the IQ scale, equates to a score of 120 (U.S. white norms) but after studying hard, he raised his score to a perfect 2400 (IQ 155). That’s equivalent to going up 35 IQ points!
If his story is true, and assuming he didn’t take the practice SAT at an abnormally young age thus explaining his lower practice score, this suggests the SAT is way too coachable to be considered a good IQ test. Of course all IQ tests are coachable, but the difference is, official IQ tests are taken cold, because few people have any incentive to get coaching on a private test given by a psychologist for diagnostic reasons. By contrast, the SAT is supposed to measure coachable skills, but folks like Charles Murray believes that because we have been coached all our lives in reading and math, any additional coaching has diminishing returns and so the SAT functions as a measure of g (general intelligence).
But in Patel’s case, that clearly wasn’t the case. Perhaps the writing section added in 2005 made the SAT more coachable? I wonder how much his scores improved when that section is excluded.
Of course, as Charles Murray would argue, anecdotal evidence can be misleading. For every person who shows such a huge increase, there might be ten others who show almost no increase, or even a decrease.
And even if the SAT is extremely coachable, it could still function as an IQ test if the vast majority of people who take it get similar preparation.
One reason to think the SAT is a valid measure of g is that it’s extremely long (4 hours). It would be almost impossible to create a comprehensive paper-pencil test that long, on almost any broad subject, that didn’t load substantially on g.
boring. 1/3d of the SAT is graded totally subjectively. 2400 on the old GRE or 1600 on the old SAT or 800 on the GMAT or 180 on the LSAT is A LOT more impressive.
36 on the old ACT is much less impressive. it was much less an IQ test.
but fuck that, there’s a guy on youtube who groks secretariat. still waiting for shoe, cockring, and peepee to grock him. maybe this guy is a dane.
ya know, secretariat’s jockey was a CANADIAN.
interesting also.
secretariat is the tallest and heaviest horse to win the triple crown.
so perhaps breeding with clydesdales would best him.
and little known is that so called “quarter horses” are faster over short distances than thoroughbreds.
…and the poets fall silent…
1. breeding is always, or at least on average, better than “engineering”. and this is what “one would expect” given the current understanding of genetics and evolution.
2. race horses have been bred for a long time, at least 50 generations. and there are millions of USDs to be made for breeding a superhorse. http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1973/1101730611_400.jpg
3. yet, 43 years later, one horse still holds the records in all three of the triple crown races. and if any horse should beat his times, 43 years later, one must ask if the track and the horse-shoe and all the accoutrements are the same.
4. there is no such record in any human athletic endeavor. and humans aren’t even “bred”. so w/o being bred for it, humans have beaten human records since 1973. yet horses, who are bred for it, haven’t? EPIC FAIL!
5. although…charlie paddock’s 1921 record in the 100m wasn’t beaten until 1960, and that by the german, armin hary, at altitude, in zurich.
peepee is such a degenerate un-Cynic.
peepee is so fucking retarded.
if the test is coach-able, how is it possible to tell the difference between those who’ve coached themselves intentionally and those who’ve been coached or who’ve coached themselves un-intentionally?
it isn’t possible!
charles murray and peepee need to be made into a human centipede with steve shoe and greg cockring and eat shit.
if the test is coach-able, how is it possible to tell the difference between those who’ve coached themselves intentionally and those who’ve been coached or who’ve coached themselves un-intentionally?
That’s precisely the point. The coaching effect can not be controlled for so the SAT is limited as an IQ test. Nominal IQ tests are designed to be taken cold so they are less sensitive to intentional coaching and they make more use of novel problem solving so they are also less sensitive to unintentional coaching, though they are still quite sensitive (see the non-biological component of the Flynn effect).
i did a lot of practice tests for the SAT, but my score only increased by 60 points. this might be expected just as a result of “maturation”, as i sat the tests a year apart.
on the GRE i only practiced for the old analytic section as i had no trouble answering the questions corectly, but i had trouble doing it in the time allotted. i think this was true of everyone. the old GRE analytic section is what’s called a “pure speed test”.
Only 60?, that’s really sad 😦
This. It’s an anomaly. This guy is clearly intelligent to score this high.
…acquired HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in scholarship money…
how fucking autistic is peepee?
THERE ARE NO SUCH SCHOLARSHIPS, AND IF THIS GUY WERE A WASP HE’D BE REJECTED BY EVERY SINGLE IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL.
STOP SUCKING JEWISH COCK ALREADY PEEPEE THE SLAVE.
baloney! East Indians are Caucasian according to U.S. census forms, used initially for public Universities, and now hence for almost all.
they don’t have the same surnames or the same hss or the same extra-curriculars.
THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS.
read unz or epenshade and stfu you retard.
the bottom line: the US is the shittiest country in the developed world, and it’s not even close. and part of that shittiness is its uniquely un-meritocratic and opaque college admissions.
and they don’t check the “white/european” box on their applications fucktard.
how fucking autistic do you have to be not to know that elite uni admissions in the US are:
1. controlled by jews
2. the only ethnic group which might threaten jewish power is systematically excluded, and that ethnic group is white gentiles, and especially WASPs.
3. observing what people actually DO, is much more instructive as to what their motivations are than merely listening to them TELL what they are. they may not even know themselves.
*”“white/European””*
None such exists; http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/14/u-s-census-looking-at-big-changes-in-how-it-asks-about-race-and-ethnicity
Anyway, this categorizes them as “Asians”.
All other Caucasians are considered white without special ethnicity, spare Hispanics, although some uppity ones probably leave off Hispanic.
Dan Coulter is a fucktard, she thinks it’s plausible that Trump can win with just the white vote, except that includes Arabs and others.
THERE ARE NO SUCH SCHOLARSHIPS, AND IF THIS GUY WERE A WASP HE’D BE REJECTED BY EVERY SINGLE IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL.
Many scholarship together add up to hundreds of thousands.
Duh.
applying for x number of scholarships to add up to 100s of k is a full time job, and the only one i know of that’s based exclusively on test scores is the national merit scholarship.
but the very existence and necessity of scholarships is just another example of what a satanic shit hole the US is and US higher education in particular.
these scholarships aren’t spending money peepee. it’s not like this guy will be able to buy a house in cambridge or palo alto with his scholarship money.
the NCAA is yet another example of the moral degenerates that staff colleges and universities in the US. the NCAA is a PLANTATION.
why is america shit?
because its elite is evil.
why is its elite evil?
because once evil people gain power they promote other evil people. the good are weeded out along the way. at one time in the past america’s elite reached a tipping point and tipped into majority evil, as did the british elite. why? idk. must be genetic.
America’s elites are evil. That’s why I endorsed Bernie Sanders. He brings some morality to the system
Haha, the only non-evil person in presidential race right now is a Jew, that’s hilarious 🙂
Money emphasized.
I don’t know why?!
Jorge Videla…entertaining, as always!
Except you’re wrong about Indians benefiting from Affirmative Action. Steve Sailer wrote an article several years ago about the Indian American lobby’s efforts to have Indians counted as Asian. They did this because they thought it would help them get more government goodies, but it actually just backfired, because now Asians are discriminated against moreso than whites. Asians generally have to score way higher on the SAT and have better grades to get into the same college as whites here in the US.
The more I read this blog, the more I realize that Jorge Videla/Hendrik Verwoerd/Ho Chi Minh or whatever is probably the biggest racist in the HBD-sphere, even though he claims he doesn’t believe in the genetic basis of intelligence. Essentially, he believes WASP culture (construed as those of descended Northwestern Europeans, with Christian and predominantly Protestant backgrounds) are superior to everyone else’s, regardless of anyone else’s achievements. Which is actually a pretty good assessment of reality as it was during the Enlightenment period or maybe even during the 1800s, but it seems to me that Jews have been disproportionately represented in the upper echelons of arts and science achievement for the entire past 100 years. I mean, even moreso than WASPs. But I think discussion has been done to death already and misses the main point of this post…
The main point being: I actually think this guy (the Indian) is lying or exaggerating. I mean, it’s not the 2400 SAT score that’s implausible (I’ve actually known a number of people who scored 2400. I myself scored in the 2200s). Even the score increase is implausible, but possible. What’s straight out impossible is him receiving that much in scholarships based on his SAT alone. Because a perfect score just isn’t that rare these days. Especially not for Asians. So I’m guessing he has something else in his resume that’s helped him out in the scholarship game. And I’m guessing Indian dude is marketing himself a big SAT test score increaser so he can go on the talk show circuit and make money.
From my personal experience prepping for the SAT, one’s more likely to see improvements on the verbal section than the math section assuming one has a decent high school math background, but if you went to a shitty high school, you’ll probably see more gains on the math section. But there’s really no way to predict who will see substantial gains from practice and who won’t. Because amongst my high school friends, several of them prepped way more than me and saw minimal gains, and some prepped less than me and saw huge gains. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, really. Maybe, slackers benefit more from SAT prep. I was a bit of a slacker.
”Except you’re wrong about Indians benefiting from Affirmative Action. Steve Sailer wrote an article several years ago about the Indian American lobby’s efforts to have Indians counted as Asian. They did this because they thought it would help them get more government goodies, but it actually just backfired, because now Asians are discriminated against moreso than whites. Asians generally have to score way higher on the SAT and have better grades to get into the same college as whites here in the US.”
American whites are the current natives and the builders of their country, no there in a perfect world, i mean ”without DISHONEST people”, such thing like ”asians are discriminated in America, more than whites”. White native americans must have the prefference because they are naturally the first citizens, by history, achievements or contributions to create and sustain ”mercan” society, but not…. they are or should be the patricians of US.
If i contribute more to sustain my home so, by justice, i must have the prefference.
Different that, is just slavery, slaves make great part of job but receive little or nothing.
Whites are the pariah of their own nations, what happen with dalits in indian society.
Whites are the ”only” people who write book history and think that this serve to garnish.
It’s a prove about very deficit of intellectual (critical/analytical skills) among great part of white people, not so ubermeschen, sorry!!!
East Asians in America are not discriminated anymore. Their lack of success is where the Jews are strong. America is about high verbal IQ, racial collectivism and individuality. None of these 3, do East Asians have, in order to succeed.
santa clause is right again.
except he should include the descendants of slaves and “native americans”/amer-indians.
this form of affirmative action is the only form i subscribe to, even though i myself have plenty of post 1776 ancestors.
i mean think of how UTTERLY ridiculous it is that harvard was founded in the 17th c by puritans and today there’s the “free harvard, fair harvard” slate composed exclusively of folks with ZERO american ancestors prior to 1900.
IT’S PATENTLY RIDICULOUS!
keep it real mofo.
jesse jackson cries at obama’s inauguration.
what a fucking pussy.
1. obama’s mom was white.
2. he was raised by his white grandparents in hawaii.
3. he went to the most prestigious hs in hawaii.
4. his dad was from kenya. his dad was NOT a descendant of slaves, and there were no slaves from kenya.
“first black president”? whatever.
if black people are really that fucking retarded then they should never have been given the vote.
African Americans are much more (functionally) genetically similar to Kenyans than they are to White Americans, so they were genetically programmed to support obama
Further, Obama’s wife & kids are African American & just the symbolism of having a black president brought unprecedented levels of pride, dignity & status to the black race worldwide, not to mention health care for the working poor American blacks & saved them from being sent to die in Iran as they would have been under a complete neocon puppet president
”so they *were genetically programmed to support obama* ”
*”Further, Obama’s wife & kids are African American & just the symbolism of having a black president brought unprecedented levels of pride, dignity & status to the black race worldwide*”
I can’t help but think that if Obama is the subject of a conversation at a bar in Croatia, or South Korea, or Azerbaijan, the people there, you have never known a black/ stereotype them as uncivilized, don’t do so as much with Obama as a major power player, an equal to (but in many ways superior) to the other world leaders in their regions, the leaders being household names.
I agree with pumpkinperson, there is MASSIVE significance to even a mulatto being the most powerful/most famous man in the world.
Would Nelson Mandela be any less famous if he was mixed? I doubt it.
And South Africa doesn’t have the one drop rule………………..
indeed.
obama’s presidency has ZERO significance within the US, but SOME significance outside the US.
obama is just another wall street stooge.
no one gets to be president or even gets into harvard law school if they actually have opinions.
now if alan keyes or jesse jackson were president, then you’d hear real opinions.
obama’s and other politicians’ opinions are just like costumes they put on and play dress up like the fags they are. all they really believe in is getting in and staying in office.
trump and sanders are the exception.
mexico had an indigenous president in the 19th c., benito juarez. peru, bolivia, venezuela, ecuador have had or still have mestizo or indigenous heads of state. yet merca had to import a kenyan muslim? the native blacks aren’t good enough. it’s the american caste system dummkopfs.
of the 4 major US presidential candidates. not a single one has grandparents all of whom were born in the US.
*”mexico had an indigenous president in the 19th c., benito juarez. peru, bolivia, venezuela, ecuador have had or still have mestizo or indigenous heads of state. yet merca had to import a kenyan muslim? the native blacks aren’t good enough. it’s the american caste system dummkopfs.
of the 4 major US presidential candidates. not a single one has grandparents all of whom were born in the US.”*
Yes, but blacks are not as a significant portion in the U.S.
Pre-Castro race-mixing, Cuba had a black individuals population closer to the U.S. then those, and Batista was mulatto, yet he rubbed shoulders with the American Elites. Ironic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista
Also in response to that quote, Kasich always talks about his ‘immigrant grandmother’, so him, too.
Except you’re wrong about Indians benefiting from Affirmative Action.
WRONG!
the group with by far the lowest probability of admission are white gentiles…unless they have rich parents.
READ espenshade…
pierre.
But, yes I agree that the writing section is mostly bullshit. It’s only a modest measure of g, compared to the verbal and math section. And the essay is more a test of conscientiousness that g.
The logic games of the LSAT (which I think is the same as the Analytic section of the old GRE) is probably the hardest IQ test I’ve ever done. Ever. Because I always did absolutely miserably on that test. Fortunately, I had no real desire of going to law school, so I put no real effort into studying for that damn test.
I hate that black lady on Fox 5. Messes up people’s names.
Yay! Sipping on Gin and Juice!
as goebbels said of jazz: “the art of the subhuman”.
and you don’t even know what you mean by “racist”.
so you include all nationalists in the category. and you include those who sympathize with the Nationalist Party of south africa. you shouldn’t. south african whites are and were the most un-racist people on the planet.
was Gandhi a “racist”, because he didn’t agree that…”my dear sir, india is british”?
peepee has described me as a “white nationalist”. no! i’m far more particular than that. i think the EU is just another german power grab. germany and spain should never be under one flag and one central bank, just like ireland, scotland, and wales shouldn’t be and should never have been part of the UK.
germany where germans are a minority is not germany.
spain where half the people are moroccan is not spain.
the very idea of a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society is ABSURD.
Les Etats Unis Merdeux is just one BIG LIE.
america is 1984 and larry kramer’s Faggots in one. it’s full of double speak and dog whistles. it’s full of perversions and it’s full of perversions of christianity.
norms of reaction predicts that the individual will be happiest in a society of people like himself genetically, whose elite is like himself genetically.
why?
because:
1. man is THE social animal, the social animal par excellence.
2. thus the individual’s society is like the animal’s or plant’s native habitat or its non-native habitat wherein it “fails to thrive” or, like the asian carp and kudzu, it kills the natives.
the american idea of the last quarter century is tossing salad. (look up “tossing salad”.)
the nation state is natural like penis and vagina.
the american state is un-natural like penis and butt and pedophilia.
america is a MONSTER. a society which thinks of itself as “individualistic”, but is IN FACT, as Sartre pointed out, the most conformist society in the history of the world.
and its apologists are fond of calling names, are especially fond of using the term “racist” without even thinking what they mean by it.
in the “community of sovereign states” the US is michael jackson/bill cosby, a rich child molester/rapist.
but how did you know i posted under verwoerd before?
funny. verwoerd was born in holland.
His father was a shopkeeper and a deeply religious man who decided to move his family to South Africa in 1903 because of his sympathy towards the Afrikaner nation after the Second Boer War.
so he was just another LYING politician. as chris hedges has observed, politics attracts evil people.
but despite the messenger being just another satan worshipping politician, the message is still true.
…we call ourselves europeans, but actually we represent the white men of africa…and particularly we, in this southernmost portion of africa, have such a stake here, that this is our only mother land. we have nowhere else to go. we settled a country bare…etc.
verwoerd survived one assassination attempt, but he didn’t survive the second.
dear God this douche deserved his assassination.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bd_1184765135
What do yall think is the most g loaded college admission test? The new GRE? Since it’s more similar to the old SAT than the current one is. Or the LSAT or GMAT? Have any studies been done on these grad school tests?
http://bigthink.com/insights-of-genius/creative-cheating-the-link-between-creativity-and-dishonesty
professor shoe demonstrates his social retardation once again in his latest post. apparently he thinks assange actually wrote what he quotes.
without ANY exception in my experience, american professors, whether natsci or soc or hums are:
1. socially retarded
2. obedient, pushy strivers
3. it’s amazing that there’s any such thing as american science given how un-talented and ovine american professors are.
That n = 1 though.
The wordsum is a 10 question vocabulary test that correlates with IQ at .71. Easy to study for yet still a good IQ proxy. Probably the same story as the SAT.
The difference is few people bother studying for wordsum. Tons of people study for the SAT
Also, I’m a bit skeptical that wordsum correlates 0.71 with IQ. It sounds impossible for a test that short. I know there was some military study that found that it did, but i read on your excellent blog that the correlation between wordsum & height was only about 0.13 iirc. In a large scale study using a much longer test, the correlation was 0.24 in a large sample
Also, i think you did a post claiming college grads now have only a wordsum IQ around 104, however the WAIS-IV norms from just a decade ago put them at 111 (though that’s in U.S. norms while i think you used U.S. white norms)
Those are just 2 examples, but if wordsum generally shows lower correlations with external criteria than conventional IQ tests, then that might be a red flag
That’s not to say wordsum data is useless but correlations may need to be divided by roughly 0.6 or so to adjust for its brevity
the wechsler vocabulary correlates with wechsler FSIQ at .87.
it is the most g-loaded and most reliable subtest for the WISC and the WAIS.
at least for their old versions.
how can that be?
because one cannot increase his vocabulary at will?
no. one can. obviously.
the only reasonable explanation is that IQ is bullshit.
the wordsum is THE SINGLE BEST VERY SHORT IQ TEST, and such a test was what the survey required.
the problem with the wordsum, for IQ cock suckers like peepee, is that it can’t distinguish above the the 95th percentile.
Put me down on the side that this guy is lying or hiding a pretty important piece of information regarding his studying or his first SAT. Have independent bodies provided coronary evidence to back this guy up? Otherwise it seems like a pretty clever scheme to make a cool million before the age of 30.
All of this brain training and retest effect is so limited, especially when test items are changed, particularly for verbal items. Given that the SAT is about 90% verbal, I am very skeptical that this calls the SAT’s reliability as an IQ measure into question.
A few years ago, a study was done by a team of French researchers examining test/retest effect for a control and test group. When retakers of an old battery of cognitive exams where exposed to a new battery, their gains were completely erased.
As for training, it does require 100s of hours to gain any transfer of gains to a real IQ test, unless someone is coached directly to a particular test or an isomorphic parallel.
When I first got my WAIS IV results, I was quite publicly worried that I had a transfer effect from 5 or 6 Mensa practice tests I had done based on the RAPM, but I am increasingly skeptical about how easy it is to transfer training of any indirect kind.
Even highly publicized attempts to increase IQ scores through direct training have very nominal increases, awful data measurement, and improper testing procedures. Heck, even being exposed to the same WAIS scale over a month only produces gains of 5-8 FSIQ points. That is with being tested on the same items twice!
Our friend, Shaan, is most likely a liar
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I wonder if most of his gains (assuming they’re true) were on the writing section. That might be more coachable because you can learn how to organize an essay.
It’s weird, right. I have no idea how the writing section works. If it is based on a novel principle, then yes, I would imagine so. If subject matter knowledge, spelling and grammar are graded uniformly then I just can’t see it.
Haha also auto correct changed corollary to coronary. I hope the guy also has independent bodies providing him with important coronary info. Got to keep up your health.
He’s a Patel. Patels are amazing. They also, obviously, believe in test prep, but I wouldn’t hold it against them.
If you haven’t already, it seems like you’d enjoy investigating the average IQs of various Indian castes/groups, perhaps starting with the Patels.
Great blog, btw.