A reader recently took the WAIS-IV IQ test and asked me to comment on his scores. I’m not a professional in this field, but I do know a bit about this, so I decided to take a look.
His scores on the WAIS-IV were as follows (U.S. norms):
Vocabulary IQ 135
Similarities IQ 135*
Information IQ 125
Overall verbal reasoning: IQ 138
Matrix Reasoning: IQ 115*
Block Design: IQ 115*
Visual Puzzles: IQ 110
Overall perceptual reasoning: IQ 116
Digit Span: IQ 130*
Arithmetic: IQ 120
Overall working memory IQ: 129
Symbol search: IQ 120
Coding: IQ 135*
Overall processing speed IQ: 130
Overall global IQ: 136
Subtests with asterisks are those subject feels might have been compromised due to his knowledge of the Wechsler subtests. When I remove these subtests from his profile, and prorate with the remaining “uncompromised” subtests, his composite scores decline somewhat, but the pattern of strenghts and weaknesses remain:
Overall verbal reasoning: IQ 136
Overall perceptual reasoning: IQ 111
Overall working memory IQ: 122
Overall processing speed IQ: 122
Overall global IQ: 129
However it’s unclear whether subject really knew enough about said subtests to justify their removal. Given the amount of subtest scatter, it could just be a coincidence that subject performed worse on the subtests he knew little about, so I would not necessarily recommend removing the “compromised” subtests.
Pumpkin Person’s unprofessional recommendation:
It’s hard to tell subject anything about himself that he hasn’t figured out already.
Although subject is above average in all areas measured by the WAIS-IV, he is WAY above average in verbal reasoning, and has credentials in a verbal field (social sciences), thus, he should stick to jobs requiring written and/or oral communication, and theoretical work, and avoid jobs requiring visual or spatial practical problem solving, unless he has a passionate interest in them. The combination of extremely high Vocabulary and Similarities suggests he might be potentially quite good at writing.
And although subject describes a minor talent for statistics, his relatively weak (though still above average) spatial abilities, combined with the fact that Arithmetic is his lowest non-visual score, suggest he should probably avoid math related fields as well, unless he has a strong interest in the subject.
Overall, subject’s IQ is in the “Extremely bright” range. Such people typically find work in high status occupations and although it’s unlikely that even someone this bright will become a multi-millionaire, they typically earn a very comfortable living, acquiring high five figure incomes by their early 30s.
How large of a gap between perceptual and verbal reasoning does someone with a learning disability like dyslexia usually have?
Here’s a relevant study:
http://ldx.sagepub.com/content/43/6/563.full.pdf
Or an SAT math & verbal difference
trump, unlike professor shoe, understands norms of reaction…from professor shoe’s latest post…
[interviewer] Your older brother, Fred, who died from heart failure brought on by acute alcoholism, had a more difficult time with him [Trump’s father], didn’t he? Take one environment and it will work completely differently on different children. Our family environment, the competitiveness, was a negative for Fred. It wasn’t easy for him being cast in a very tough environment, and I think it played havoc on him.
Yes, that is impressive that Trump intuitively realizes the same environment can have opposite effects on different genotypes, although he’s not being very precise.
Btw, a comment of yours has become a thread at reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BestOfOutrageCulture/comments/47zzo0/so_pervasive_is_jewish_media_control_that_it/
You see all the jews gang up and sexplain Robert’s comment there.
You still think I’m joking they are the Mordor people?
I would assume that the differences in genotype would be more likely to be small considering they would be full blooded siblings.
Someone on here once speculated that the high rates of alcoholism in Native Americans is because they are not evolved to their environment, and their genotypes respond negatively/aren’t evolved to respond well. But of course many North Americans are white, so that would apply too. Is that why Europeans see us as backwards? I wonder….
the social construction of reality…or rather what is taken to be reality…isn’t just marxist crap.
facts have very little sway in america…at least.
when the facts contradict “reality”…the facts are ignored…”reality is reality” after all…
damn the facts full speed ahead.
and as far as race and economics and IQ etc. go…
the facts support national socialism.
that is, they support the idea that the best state is:
1. homogeneous
2. socialist
3. democratic…unlike National Socialism
The process of getting there is inhumane and causes the actual state to be unsustainable.
An opposing view would be that it is of course, to use a very subjective term; immoral!
Have you seen this paper, chartreuse? it’s a (yet another!) blow on environmental influence on IQ phenotype. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616300629
edsel ford also died prematurely from what may have been alcohol related causes.
but i wonder…did fred die from a heart attack or from alcoholic cardiomyopathy?
reporters are retarded so “heart failure” is a meaningless cause of death…everyone dies from heart failure.
just like cirrhosis and DTs…even more so…alcoholic cardiomyopathy is rare…even among the worst alcoholics.
pace american puritanism/prolism…
the “vast majority” of alcoholics live into their 70s and beyond and die from causes unrelated to alcoholism.
and btw,
this is true of most “street drugs”. they aren’t much worse than prescription drugs.
1. heroin is very easy to overdose…whereas death from acute alcohol intoxication is very rare…especially in alcoholics.
2. meth and cocaine elevate blood pressure so the danger from long term abuse is heart attack.
when moral theory is recognized as just theory and impractical…
drug legalization is seen as what it is…
practical.
i’m a libertarian on drugs.
addiction is a social problem, but american society never accuses itself…or it denies that it, society, even exists.
when the addict has a genuine opportunity which requires abstinence…
he quits.
but such opportunities simply don’t exist any more if they ever did…
in america.
Addiction is the first principle to the lucrative business. You need addicted consumers to multiply their money.
The difference between the verbal and spatial IQ as well as the characterizations, profession and interests of the subject suggest an ashkenazi background. I am curious if i am correct.
[5*(Scale 20) + 50] = IQ
So, indeed, Mr. Person did a very fine job here.
For one, yes, I am diagnosed OCD, and my family has a history. All of my emails were sent haphazardly to Mr. Person in the middle of the night – the real sweet spot for us OCD insomniacs. There is a lot to be said for individuals with OCD, and high Verbal IQs, and a lot of what it would revolve around the particular type of torture one can inflict upon oneself in the middle of the night!
As for his characterization of my test scores, he is probably correct that I probably read too much into my knowledge of the tests. To be honest, the only component that I was somewhat familiar with was the Matrix Reasoning, and that was through the online Mensa tests that I had done before signing up for the actual assessment.
So thank you very much for your hard and classy work!
You’re welcome!
he must be jewish.
My first post is up. Just an intro post
and so peepee and i concur once again.
i’ve dragged peepee from the morass…from the hound of the baskervilles.
that is,
the differences between groups is much more “robust” than the difference between individuals, because groups are many people and individuals are one person.
duh!
the central limit theorem…fucktards.
But here’s where it gets tricky
You have implied that the reason you are skeptical of IQ’s heritability is that IQ is a psychological trait.
You are not skeptical of the heritability of physical traits like height, afaik.
But it seems that by adulthood, IQ is highly related to physiological traits, enjoying perhaps a 0.35 correlation with brain size and a potent 0.7 correlation with chronometrics. In addition, IQ has been linked to brain glucose metabolism, brainwaves, and myelination.
HBDers claims that by adulthood, all the environmental variation in IQ is from the biological environment
So in order for your dependent genetic effects model to be tenable, you need to believe that most of the variance in IQ is NOT linked to physiological traits
AND/OR
you need to believe that dependent genetic effects determine physiological traits.
IQ is an expression of what is happening in the physiological level, that is, within the brain, chemical response, etc. It is not a purely physical measurement but is indirectly physical.
All psychological traits are related to the physical plane, it is not because we can not see does that it will not exist or will not have a literally concrete origin.
They are the echoes/expressions of our shapes.
Our personalities also vary greatly and from our aging we will become more stable. The same applies to the height. All human traits accompany their development stages.
But I think the IQ test has an important cultural load, which is not bad but could be decisive in causing differences in scores. For example, you have two identical twins brothers with the same scores iq, the first was created in an inhospitable environment, the second was created in a cosmopolitan environment, urban. In terms of verbal IQ, the second is very likely to show much lower scores than his brother who lived in the modern city. The question that must be asked is, if the brother who lived in the inhospitable region was taken to live in the modern city, he will recover this discrepancy in relation to his other brother *
The hierarchy of human intelligence puts the intrapersonal and interpersonal intelligence at the top, the first because we mentally differ from other species precisely because we are endowed with a great self-consciousness. The second because we are social species and therefore who is endowed with a great intrapersonal intelligence is very likely to be very well adapted or better, Conformed.
Knowing yourself, strengths and weaknesses, and know the other is acultural par excellence. You can develop it in environments’ ‘harsh’ or culturally complex environments, in rural or urban area, in a poor country or a rich country.
The intrapersonal intelligence is cognitively related to the genius and creativity because so you can focus and work your strength you need to recognize your weaknesses.
What differs a very talented opera singer than a self-shame candidate of Got Talent.
Or verbal iq tests must be contextualized according to the cultural environment and level of exposure to Western culture.
Thus, the verbal qi scores between hypothetical identical twins brothers would be very close **
I might be taking some psychological tests soon, though I don’t know if they’ll be iq tests. (My doctor thinks I might have add.) the full Wechsler test is really expensive, right? Is there an abbreviated version the neuropsychologist might provide? Anyway, if do happen to take a psychometric test, I’ll post the results ASAP.
If they aren’t too embarrassing.
It’s the psychologist’s time that is expensive. There is an abbreviated version of the Wechsler (the WASI) but they would probably prefer the full battery for diagnosing ADD, or perhaps more specific tests.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3098448/
You say, “it’s unlikely that even someone this bright will become a multi-millionaire” — a 136 IQ in the US is about 99th percentile. It’s actually very likely someone like this would become a multi-millionaire.
In the US, having a net worth of $4 million puts you at about the 97% percentile. In other words, much of that top 3% in wealth would have lower IQs than this guy. (The net worth data is for households not individuals, but dividing by two breadwinners still gives you $2 mn per person.)
In the US, having a net worth of $4 million puts you at about the 97% percentile. In other words, much of that top 3% in wealth would have lower IQs than this guy. (The net worth data is for households not individuals, but dividing by two breadwinners still gives you $2 mn per person.)
Only one of the breadwinners is likely responsible for all the millions.
And $2 million is not a multi-millionaire, you need at least $3 million, because the dictionary defines multi-millionaires as having several million
But I agree that he is brighter than the average multi-millionaire. There’s data suggesting both millionaires and decamillionaires average IQ 117:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/
But just because he’s a lot smarter than most millionaires, doesn’t mean he’s likely to be a millionaire. You also tend need other factors, including luck
Only when IQ exceeds the 99.9 percentile is one’s financial success likely to exceed the 98 percentile, and that’s assuming the correlation can be extrapolated to such extremes.
I think because there is an imperfect correlation, that iq percentile regresses to the mean by a lot when you translate that over to expected expected wealth percentile. If there was a perfect correlation, then yes.
I agree.
Because the correlation between IQ and prosperity is about 0.5, your prosperity Z score (normalized) will tend to be only half as large as your IQ Z score, and vice versa
Well, I am married to a lawyer who attended an elite school, and I am sure that at some point her earnings will exceed mine.
In regards to creating a net worth of millions, my personality is too neurotic, altruistic, and uncertain to be an income-earner in the top 1%. As Pascal would say, I am a wanderer and a wonderer.
It also has a lot to do with choice. I certainly spent most of my 20’s doing anything but making money. That said, I did make a prudent choice in my marriage, accrued no debt, and set myself down a solid track of budget maintenance and saving. But I would far prefer to spend my free time reading Dante, or trying to learn Russian then I would – I don’t know – trying to become a shareholder in a start-up. Honestly, I haven’t even given any thought to how I would actually be a millionaire. I have a friend who is a quant analyst for a merchant bank, and that is ALL he thinks about.
That said, I have a far easier time making an above-average income than he does as I a) have a great deal more patience, and b) am far happier with my non-work pursuits.
Becoming a millionaire requires someone to have a bit more tolerance for volatility – hence, the unpredictable factor of luck. The correlation between income and IQ – especially at the tails – has to be related to intangible things like luck and personality, and more tangible things like choice.
If money-making has anything to do with IQ, it is only because people in that top 10% are more capable of conceptualizing financial planning, and tracking important details.
http://millercenter.org/presidentialclassroom/exhibits/nixon-the-jews-are-born-spies
Hey Pumpkin,
I took the WAIS IV last week for clinical purposes and achieved the following subtest scaled scores:
Similarities: 19
Vocabulary: 17
Information: 19
Comprehension: 19
Block Design: 19
Matrix Reasoning; 18
Visual Puzzles: 19
Figure Weights: 19
Picture Completion: 19
Digit Span: 19
Arithmetic Reasoning: 19
Letter-Number Sequencing: 19
Symbol Search: 19
Coding: 18
Cancellation: 19
My psychologist stated that my IQ score was far beyond 160, which implies the raw score necessary for an IQ 160 is substantially lower than 186/190. Since you seem to be familiar with the WAIS IV and its norms, could you perhaps estimate my extended IQ based on my scores?
Wow, those are some freakishly high scores! I’ll devote a post to it. If you know the specific raw scores on each subtest (you provided the scaled scores) and if you’re comfortable providing them, I could talk about that too.
I am both impressed and astounded by your subset scores. The numerical consistency is what amazes me most of all, as the majority of people with a high IQ, including myself, have a notable discrepancy between their verbal and nonverbal IQ score. If you don’t mind, could you tell us more about yourself (your career, your interests, etc.)?
Hi pumpkin,
I have an off topic question, how often do you travel out of Canada and the US ?
Almost never for pleasure. Occasionally for work, but I’m too busy to see much.
Which countries have you visited ?
Mostly countries in Northeast Asia
I won’t give too many specific details, but I’m currently pursuing a B.S./M.S. in mathematics through an accelerated program. My interests among many others, include politics/government, mathematics, HBD, psychology, post-WWII American history, astronomy/space exploration, sports (basketball, baseball, track and field), philosophy, crime, and cinematography. Most of the time, my interests hold my attention captive in lieu of my studies, though I don’t have trouble getting respectable grades in my classes. Once I graduate, I plan to pursue a J.D. at a prestigious university, and after that, I’ll probably apply for a position at a prominent think tank.
BTW, I’m using a pseudonym, and have been using pseudonyms on this blog for some time.
Did you take the SAT or ACT? Did you expect such high scores?
Yes, I got a 2350 on the SAT and a 35 on the ACT. I was a little surprised at hitting the ceiling of the WAIS at first, but later on I deduced that the ceiling has a substantial amount of legroom.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2016/mar/04/genetic-denialism-is-unhelpful-genes-play-a-role-in-who-we-are
A helpful article to all the heritability deniers
Have you read the whole thing ?
Hi, can you please write an article regarding high range IQ test for example SLSE I ( Jonathan Wai) , Numerus ( Ivan Ivec) or Lexiq (Nikolaos Soulios). Do you think that such high IQ measurement is possible ? What is your honest thought?
I don’t know much about those specific tests, but I will do a brief post on it soon.
I think Average IQ score is 110. Source Here http://bestiqtest.net/iq-levels
Processing Speed- Are they normed based on people who are going at the fastest speed they possibly can? I can see how processing speed scores can be screwed up if they weren’t normed on people going the fastest they can- someone on test day can be on their best mood, and they will inevitably go the fastest they can, but it wouldn’t be their average performance. If it is normed on people going their fastest (which I’d assume would happen with the test subjects- again it’s a test)- then the guy who just performs like it’s a normal day, who has the potential to go much faster, wouldn’t have his processing speed accurately reported.
What benefits does processing speed give you?