I told certain readers that I would be estimating the IQ of various people, such as Clark Ashton Smith and Vladimir Vladimirovich Nabokov..and I will do so, but more research is needed. For now, a simple post about teachers.
It has long been believed that school teachers are good judges of the intelligence of their students, especially if you averaged the IQ estimate made by every teacher you ever had.
Because the heritability of intelligence is thought to double from childhood to adulthood, the older I got, the smarter my teachers thought I was, with a few major exceptions.
In nursery school my teachers probably thought I was dumb because I was a major behavior problem. I would scream and yell when forced to attend school, and once there, would be sent to the corner. The other four year olds asked why I was sent there and I would scream at them not to talk about me. As a result it was recommended that I not attend a French immersion school, and was confined to monolingual education.
In the sixth grade, my teacher took me aside and said something like “the bad news is you’re failing…the good news is, I thinker you’re brighter than 90% of the class.” For some strange reason, he thought I was the best writer he had ever seen, and told the class he wished he could write as well as me. I probably was a good writer for an 11-year-old, but did not progress much since then, partly because I seldom read anything other than blogs. One day when all the students left the class he predicted “One day you’re going to return to this school and say to me, I’m a lot more successful than you are, and far more people know who I am than know who you are, but thank you for believing in me.”
Despite this praise, this teacher became unhinged when I joined the chess team and became the #1 chess player in the entire school, because he felt chess was such a prestigious game that only good students should be on the chess team, let alone number one. I didn’t deserve the title but refused to give it up. When better chess players challenged me, I would mysteriously vanish, or I would drag the game out so long that the lunch break would be over before they could defeat me. However when I represented our school in chess tournaments against other schools, my luck would run out.
In the 9th grade my English teacher worshiped the ground I walked on, giving me not only 100% on assignments, but in one case OVER 100% on a book report for George Orwell’s 1984 which I didn’t even read. However my science teacher thought I was stupid. Making matters worse, there were special resource classes where students could get extra help. I didn’t need any extra help so I stopped attending, causing harassment from one of my classmates who thought I had become uppity. One day this classmate confronted me in science class asking if I thought I was better than the resource students. This lead to a massive physical confrontation in the science class, and the resource teacher, who had went around the school praising both the other boy and I, was furious at both of us for damaging her reputation as a judge of character. I decided to change schools.
At the next school there was a female principal who told me I was one of the cleverest boys she had ever seen. She had probably seen thousands and thousands of boys in her long career, so she probably thought I was a one in a thousand intellect (IQ 147). My English teacher at this school told me I could really go places, and my chemistry teacher told me that intelligence is the ability to adapt.
The next year I went to an alternative high school filled with misfits and ne‘er–do–wells. I became best friends with a very black student with a tested IQ of only 70 and everywhere we went, store clerks would follow him around like he was a criminal. When we went to Subway, a clerk told him to smile for the camera before he robbed the place. I saw firsthand how real racism could be, but he also brought it on himself, changing his subway order so many times he was banned from going there.
At this alternative school, I had an English teacher who I immediately realized what a white-East Asian hybrid and she confirmed to me that she was. She was incredibly bright, even inventing a new word: etiquettical, which means related to good etiquette. She was wise: when a classmate and I got into a heated debate over which direction North was, she said, “not all battles are worth going to war over.” It’s a lesson I never forget.
“You’re bright!” she told me. “You’re VERY BRIGHT! But you’re not brilliant, you know.” I asked her how she knew whether I was bright, very bright or brilliant, and she said she could tell from the way I write. Although the only writing she had seen of mine was a short story inspired by a provocative Picture Arangement item on the ancient Wechsler–Bellevue Intelligence Scale.
The following year I attended yet another school where all the most brilliant and most stupid students in the school board were sent. My law teacher was a raging antisemite who would rant everyday about how much he hated Jewish humor. He hated me too. When I would make a point he said “No! FUCK!!!!” but whenever his favorite student (who had a freakishly huge head measured at 24.5 inches) would make a point he would yell “HELLO! THIS KIND OF THING MAKES SENSE!!!”
There was another girl in the class he hated too and she got into a heated debate with him over what a yellow traffic light means. She was saying it meant “slow down” while he insisted it meant “stop if you can do so safely.” Finally he turned to her and said “would you quit telling me the law you uneducated bitch.”
There was another student in the class who looked a bit gay, and everyday the law teacher would say to this student “My God you look gay, today”
Later my girlfriend at the time stopped attending the class because he had said terrible things about several students behind their back including me. What had he said, I wanted to know. She wouldn’t tell me.
“Trust me, you don’t want to know,” she said.
But I kept pestering her. “HE SAID YOU’RE A FUCKING IDIOT WHO SHOULDN’T BE IN HIS CLASS,” she finally screamed. “NOW DID YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THAT????!!!!”
It was hard to hear, but it’s good to know what people really think about you. For some mysterious reason, antisemites tend to think I’m stupid.
Pumpkin Person 
my teachers thought me cleverer and cleverer the farther along i was and the smarter i thought them.
that is, my grade school teachers were so shocked when i made high test scores some asked that i be given the wisc-whatever.
my graduate school teachers were “very impressed”…”the smartest student i’ve ever had”…etc.
but adults estimating the IQ of adults is OBVIOUSLY much better than adults estimating the IQ of children.
and not just my teachers.
when i worked for what is now the largest health insurer in the US in its corporate actuarial department my taiwanese boss said…
“we all think we’re pretty smart…but you are even smarter than us.”
when i was invited back for a second interview at a pension consultancy in NJ i was told by one of two hiring managers that the other was against me…
why?
because she felt i was “too smart to be an actuary”.
my case is quite interesting, because my physical appearance is so un-nerdy…the opposite of nerdy.
Nobody cares alcoholictard.
a concrete example of how much time and place may matter:
http://www.details.com/story/miami-jai-alai-sport-goiko-basque
because jai alai is a dying sport perhaps its best player ever a 6’3″ 220 lbs basque only makes “in the five figures”…wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the low five figures.
he’d have made a lot more adjusted for inflation in the mid-70s if he’s really so good.
jai alai is also an interesting case, because a large minority is excluded from it by its own rules…
if you’re left handed you’re barred from competition.
”Teachers” are variable, mathematically smart teachers give emphasis on math skills while literature teachers will give emphasis on language and culture skills.
Hey Pumpkin, is your story real or bullshit? Parts seem too crazy to be true.
It’s all true. I’ve had a wierd life.
Levinson (1959) provides evidence that the Verbal/Performance difference for Jewish children increases from pre-school to young adulthood. When children were matched on the basis of full-scale Wechsler IQ, pre-school children showed a small (3-point) difference between Performance and Verbal IQ, while elementary school-age and college student subjects showed a difference of approximately 20 points.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16441
As you’ve read my blog (a good while back though) I won’t restate it all but give a few highlights. When I was very young myextended family considered me a prodigy, I talked very early as very fluently for a child but especially for a boy. I believe this perception was enhanced by the fact that I was (and still am) quite short, which led to a very tiny seeming little boy spouting very large words as I had a fascination with dinosaurs for a long time as knew all their names.
However when I went to grade school suddenly I was considered a problem. I failed math in the third grade because I so detested doing the interminable practice problems that I simply refused. Most of my learning during this time was done outside of school. I remember that I particularly enjoyed just reading through the volumes of the World Book encyclopedia that my family had at home. Teachers perceptions of my ability typically described me as “intelligent but unmotivated”. No one seemed to know how to motivate me to do my class work as expected. Honestly in retrospect I don’t think I could have been, practicing and re-practicing was simply a waste of my time. For a brief time in grade school my mother put me into a Montessori academy thinking it would be more stimulating for me but that experiment ended quickly when I continued to be disobedient and more interested in collecting the bugs and snakes I could find outside than participating in activities with the group. I simply did not recognize the authority of any adult to tell me what I ought to be doing.
This pattern continued into high school where I had many teachers and other students who publicly declared their hatred for me. It’s not that I was mean, I was simply uninterested in socializing and didn’t pretend to want to. I wanted to discuss the nature of time, the structure of reality, consciousness, the human condition, etc. and no students or teacher seemed interested in these topics.
I actually heard of an episode where a female student who was in the gifted English class spent a solid ten minutes telling the entire class how I wasn’t really very smart and how my mother probably did my homework for me. Which is funny because the reaso I wasn’t in those gifted classes at my school was due to my failure at turning in much homework. Basically if I could whip homework together in the time between the start of the class and the teacher collecting the homework, it got done. It’s surprising how often that worked out. What really saved me was that our highschool would replace our classroom grade for the year with our standardized test grade if we did better on the test. Consequently I failed freshman English, until the end of the year when I got a 97 on the final. The only highschool teacher I had who seemed genuinely impressed with my brains and said so was the algebra and trig teacher, who often called me a “super prover” and said he wouldn’t be surprised to see I’d changed the world in some way.
Despite the fact that I won or placed in every art contest in my section of the state, no one ever suggested art as my college major, so I too science instead, which I admittedly enjoyed. What I found most interesting about science was how contradictory it could be. You could have one department that believed one set of truths about the world and another right next door with a completely different set of core beliefs, (bio versus cultural anthropology is a good example) I learned that the facts aren’t nearly as important as people’s preconceived ideas about how to interpret them.
Anyway, I’ve taken enough of your time, suffice it to same my SAT and later GRE were top 1% and I currently hold down a highly demanding day job in software while I also produce (mostly narrative base, some literary) art and writing.
-S
Apologies, please excuse the many typos above. I wrote my post on a phone while trying manage thanksgiving socializing
No he doesn’t suck. He’s great.
Interesting story. Read mine.
@constant
Hey, thanks for that. Appreciated.
“I actually heard of an incident where a girl in the gifted English class spent ten minutes telling the class how I wasn’t really all that smart and how my mother must do my homework for me.”
ffs
Your classmates sound like assholes. Are you okay now? These sorts of experiences are enough to turn someone into a basket case.
Yes well luckily I didn’t learn that happened until much later. At the time if I’d known I might have tried to do something about it and it’s better I didn’t. I suppose it’s bad enough I tried to start a communist newspaper to rival the school paper… Not because I had any particular affinity for communism, just to screw with people, because I knew it would raise eyebrows. If we added a personal vendetta on to that, it certainly would not have done me any good.
That said, as I have mentioned on my blog a few times, I’m pretty emotionally resilient, things don’t bother me for very long. I get angry and then ten minutes later I don’t care any more. This has been a very useful ability especially because my mother would get a bit too hot if acted up and leave me on the side of the road. But on the positive side: I developed a very good understanding of the layout of my (luckily small) city. Being able to hold mental images in mind is quite useful when one is an artist.
In which part of the country did you attend public schools, Sisyphean? (Sorry if you mentioned that and I didn’t see it.)
@stetind
NY state but not NYC.
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I don’t really know what happened, I don’t think I was a particularly bright small child.
I didn’t learn to read really quickly, but by 9 I skipped a year in school and was moved ahead. In that class I sat next to someone my own age and we raced through all the maths questions that were set (I was ahead). Once I could read well I probably read a book a day on average for about 5 years (from 10 to 15), some were the same book – I read James and the Giant Peach 17 times before I was 11 for instance. But I also read Lord of the Rings in 3 days when I was 12 and then all of Dickens when I was 14.
I seemed to just get better, I was bright by 11 but by 12 I was one of the top in my year (I was always in the top of 7 sets for everything). By 14 I got the best exam results in the school, on average, without really trying. I excelled at most things – highest ever scores in the school for humanities (average 85% not bad for UK essay based 3 subjects) and sciences (average 96% for Biology, Chemistry and Physics) . Maths I only got 98%, as I never showed my workings (did it all in my head and made a mistake). I also got very good marks in all the other stuff from Cooking, to Art to Woodwork.
I also discovered that my intellect could manipulate the world around me and I started playing games, setting one person off against another or just changing things to how I wanted them to be. When I almost lost my best friend (after a shouting match in biology over this) I changed and realised that although I could alter situations for fun it was evil and I wouldn’t – I kept to that ever since.
From 14 on I found school less challenging and couldn’t really take it seriously, I tended to mess around as I knew I would be OK anyway come exam time.
I just want to say now to anyone in the same situation that it was a terrible mistake – it is your responsibility to teach yourself and if you find the lessons you are given too easy you should be pushing yourself further and faster – don’t rely on the teachers – be your own guide.
Socially I was friends with lots of different groups, some cool, some not so, but overall I had a lot of friends, was on the student council and the PTA, did Drama, Debating, was the 2nd or 3rd best at all sports in our class of 30 (maybe 7-12th in the year for all sports except Tennis where i was probably top until I was 17 – our class had the 2 strongest and the 2 fastest people in the year!) and organised discos.
The final exams in the UK before university are called A-Levels are are quite specialised. I got 4 As in science subjects (someone else in the school got 4 As too, and two people got 3As and a B). Some teachers I got along very well with (Chemistry I got 100% in my coursework – which was pretty unheard of). Some not so well, my physics teacher left after the first year and his replacement never tired of telling me how there had been a student 3 years ago better than I was (although I understand why he did it – I was pretty arrogant by then – but he was an asshole too).
So in summary, my language teachers (French/German) thought I was maybe in the top 3% but no higher – languages are my weakest subject (but strangely enough my Mum’s strongest – maybe a reaction to her there). My English marks were first class. My maths teachers thought it impossible I could do so well with no effort and no attempt to pay attention in class. My humanities teachers thought I was amazing. My sciences teachers thought I was amazing except for Mr R (who had someone better 3 years ago – he did go on to become a research scientist at Cambridge to be fair).
However, I often feel that in comments on sites dedicate to considering IQ, people relive past glories – which is exactly what I have done above. What have I achieved in life? Well I am successful in terms of society as a whole but I do feel like a failure as I know that given my intelligence I have done pretty poorly (I am probably in the top 2% income bracket but I should be higher) so I have underperformed in life. I do have a beautiful wife and son (with whom I have been able to spend most of my time over his first 3 years of life by working flexibly from home however) so part of my underperformance is lifestyle choice. Anyway, it’s midnight and I am tired, I might say more later.
Well I am successful in terms of society as a whole but I do feel like a failure as I know that given my intelligence I have done pretty poorly (I am probably in the top 2% income bracket but I should be higher) so I have underperformed in life.
Unless your IQ is above 175 (one in several million level), having an income in the top 2% means you OVERperformed in life. Given that the correlation between IQ and lifetime income is only about 0.4, people with extreme IQs tend to have incomes that are only 40% as extreme (when the distributions are normalized) and people with extreme incomes tend to have IQs that are only 40% as extreme.
I spend a lot of time thinking about my youth because my parents (and several of my teachers) all expected so much out of me, like one teacher who expected I would get a Phd in some field or another, but I simply realized I had no desire to go that route. But I’m only in my mid-20s, I could still go back at some point.
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Because the heritability of intelligence is thought to double from childhood to adulthood.
no one thinks that you lying sack of shit.
the difference in h^2 between age 8 and 18 is trivial.
peepee is too evil and retarded to have anything to say about IQ.
On page 169 of The g Factor Arthur Jensen writes:
The broad heritability of IQ is about .40 to .50 when measured in children, about .60 to .70 in adolescents and young adults, and approaches .80 in later maturity.
I think she is talking about nurture&nature predominance in intelligence and not heritability. lol
“the difference in h^2 between age 8 and 18 is trivial”
lying idiotic moronic fucktard
http://europepmc.org/articles/pmc3954471
carl you should go easier on yourself.
leave it to me to call you a “lying idiot moronic fucktard”.
you’re a lying idiot moronic fucktard carl.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nisbett+and+wilson+effect+iq&biw=1280&bih=618&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu04jT-LHJAhUOwGMKHd__BI4Q_AUIBygC&dpr=1#imgrc=NjU10SqbIqIK3M%3A
but beginning at age 8, genetic amplification becomes predominant, and the effect of new genetic influences drops to zero…
you have to use the MZT apart studies.
the calculation of h^2 using MZTs and DZTs raised together is…
TOTALLY MEANINGLESS.
peepee is a pathological liar.
no teacher calls his students “fuck”, “bitch”, “gay”, or “idiot”.
and “law” isn’t a class unless it’s what americans call “civics” or “government”.
and certainly no american teacher is allowed to say what he really thinks of jews…not even in alabama.
unless peepee went to an inner city detroit school maybe.
peepee isn’t in her 30s and has never attended uni, because she’s still in high school.
I assure you it’s all true. This guy was not like any teacher I ever had. He interacted with the students more like peers than like an authority figure, and these were all senior students, one as old as 21. It’s very hard to fire teachers in Canada, and even if they did fire him, he had another job.
He didn’t say what he really thought about Jews but I believe he was an anti-Semite because he would always talk about how much he hated Jewish humor and was a huge history buff (WWII).
He also hated the United States and would constantly ridicule you guys for never winning any war.
You’re a slave
one can’t help but notice that native premier league footballers and snooker players don’t have posh accents.
but it’s not as if they have the accents they do because they are stupid. it doesn’t require much intelligence to affect a posh accent. they may be stupid or smart…how would you know?…
the ways to making a fortune which are available to those from the wrong background simply don’t require a high IQ.
so peepee’s theory regarding the correlation of IQ or native ability and earned income/wealth may depend on which segment of the population one is born into.
jews are a problem, of course, but among european gentiles the british are the WORST by a country mile. and so is the anglo-sphere in general.
canada is pretty close to a classless society, but why does it have such a huge trade deficit?
why are ALL of the developed countries with trade deficits English speaking?
it makes sense in the case of Canada, Australia, and to some extent for the US and New Zealand…”the curse of oil”…or rather the curse of natural resource abundance including arable land and ranch lands…has made these countries too dependent on commodities.
but then if that were the excuse one would expect the fairly resource poor UK to be a net exporter.
but instead the UK has the WORST trade deficit as a % of its GDP of the lot…almost 6%.
so it makes up for it by exporting “financial services” now that London is the financial capital of the world? which aren’t counted as trade?
Canada’s trade deficit is as bad as America’s and yet it has 1/10th the population which is almost all whites and chinks…with 5% natives?
what’s “made in canada” except american cars?
and now a ukrainian has been de-throned as world heavy weight champ by another white of irish traveler ancestry…
yet another example of how class trumps race.
or how society and politics trumps race.
no where does the lying quarter kike jensen define what he means by children.
i’v already established beyond a shadow of a doubt that jensen is a LIAR.
and so is peepee…she lies and lies and imagines that if she lies enough her lies become true.
jensen wasn’t a jew, which peepee keeps repeating like the transexual she is.
but he was a MORON and a LIAR.
look up the figures yourself peepee tard.
the .40-.5 figure only applies to children so young they’ve never been to school.
FUCKING GROW UP AND REALIZE THAT…
ALMOST ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE FAMOUS FOR DOING SOMETHING WITH NO IMMEDIATE VALUE…INCLUDING ALL FAMOUS PSYCHOLOGISTS…AND ALMOST ALL FAMOUS SCIENTISTS…
ARE JUST ATTENTION WHORES…
THEIR RESEARCH IS VALUE-LESS BECAUSE IT’S VALUE-LESS…
AND THAT INCLUDES EINSTEIN…
THE IDEA THAT WITHOUT EINSTEIN THERE’D BE NO A-BOMB AND NO NUCLEAR POWER…
IS A JOKE!
AND THE IDEA THAT 1/3D OF THE ECONOMY DEPENDS ON QUANTUM MECHANICS IS…
A JOKE…
PROMULGATED BY…
1. IDIOTS
2. LYING SOCIOPATHS
JUST LIKE THE IDEA THAT QUANTUM MECHANICS IS HARD.
IT’S FUCKING EASY.
ITS’ JUST MATH. NAMELY, CALCULUS AND LINEAR ALGEBRA.
HAVE YOU READ COHEN-TANNOUDJI?
IT’S LIKE A LITTLE GOLDEN BOOK IT’S SO FUCKING EASY.
even the H-bomb is a fucking joke.
it’s just a way of saving on materials as the fission bomb detonator is 50 fucking percent of the energy released.
physicists are FAGS.
steve shoe for example.
israel is 1/3d ashkenazi…but sephardic and mizrahic jews have also distinguished themselves in the west on a per capita basis…(they’re much rarer than the ashkenazi)…
but israel…if included in the “developed world”…
1. is the only country more UN-equal than the US.
2. has the second highest incarceration rate.
yet its economic growth has been less than that of greece over the last 30 years.
with all those super high IQ jews…36% of the forbes 400…
why isn’t israel a utopia?
or at least like sweden?
it’s been 67 years since independence.
they can use the arabs as an excuse for their shitty economy…
there’s been more e-migration from than im-migration to israel in the last decade…
but then the blacks can use “the man” as an excuse too.
meanwhile…
germany has only 80 million people and ZERO natural resources…
BUT IS THE WORLD’S LARGEST EXPORTER.
new meme:
Forgive me for this tangential ramble:
I was placed into a superlative gifted program for grades 1-6. The regular gifted program contained one class of kids for each school; this program contained one class of kids that drew from the entire district and required 2 IQ tests of 140 or higher for admission.
I did well in class, but I never felt particularly smart because I was in a group of my peers. I don’t remember any comments the teachers made about intelligence either.
In 5th and 6th grade I refused to do homework because I found it pointless and didn’t care about authority. I simply didn’t turn in any homework assignments, but I would work hard on anything we did at school. They tested me for a learning disability and found nothing. I progressed normally, somehow.
I just googled-stalked as many classmates as I could remember. Many of them are successful now (surgeon, successful actress, doctor of veterinary medicine, executive, entrepreneur, university professor, etc..) while others have just dropped completely off the map. Not really finding anyone in the middle except for one high school teacher. I’m one of the off-the-map guys, but I’m grinding a job as a programmer earning 6 figures. Could be worse, I suppose, but I don’t feel like a success story.
There was no such program in grades 7-12, so then I was among the regular honors kids. I did feel pretty intelligent. In Jr High math, me and another kid from the earlier program were instructed to sit in the back of the classroom and work on our own track of assignments while ignoring the teacher. In high school I was pulled aside and told that my 1500 PSAT score was very good. In college, I had a few professors mention that I asked good questions. One actually liked that I made weird faces during lecture when he introduced new concepts before bridging them to existing ones (he would say: ‘good frown!’).
When changing jobs, I have had a few coworkers on separate occasions mention that I am one of the smartest people they’ve ever worked with (although I don’t understand what they saw).
However, I made friends with a 160+ guy online, and talking to him makes me feel retarded. He just sees and understands everything so much better than I do. I also feel like I realized the value of being sociable, networking, and signalling way way way way too late. I had to learn these from reading online. I don’t know if it’s because of perceptual biases (aspergers, maybe) or if it’s just the way my initial preferences turned out.
The regular gifted program contained one class of kids for each school; this program contained one class of kids that drew from the entire district and required 2 IQ tests of 140 or higher for admission.
That’s VERY selective. Most schools require only an IQ of 130 or even 120 for gifted, yet yours required 140 on TWO tests! 140 on two tests is equivalent to about 144 on one.
Yes, my school had a regular gifted program as well. The one I was in was the second level of gifted and only had one classroom for the entire school district.
I just looked them up: They still exist and the first level requires one 125+ test. The second level requirements are the same as I remember them. Some parents in the nearby metro area on the city-data.com forum talk about the second level program as a reason for moving into this specific suburb since it’s so hard to find something like it.
I just googled-stalked as many classmates as I could remember. Many of them are successful now (surgeon, successful actress, doctor of veterinary medicine, executive, entrepreneur, university professor, etc..) while others have just dropped completely off the map. Not really finding anyone in the middle except for one high school teacher. I’m one of the off-the-map guys, but I’m grinding a job as a programmer earning 6 figures. Could be worse, I suppose, but I don’t feel like a success story.
Although I generally believe that the correlation between IQ and success is linear through the full range, there is some evidence that people with ridiculously high IQs (150+) tend to be failures. Perhaps the smartest subset of your classmates tend to be the ones who fell off the map.
For what it’s worth, the ones with no google presence today are the ones I remember as being “weird” when I was a kid. For example, one of them routinely refused to take off his coat inside even though the temperature was 65-70. I was probably a weird kid as well but just unable to perceive myself as one at the time.
The successful ones were better at socializing I think.
can’t figure out how to post on lion’s blog.
maybe he’s cut off all new posters until he’s approved them.
lion is either lying or going senile.
he brings up the “conspiracy theory” bullshit again.
but an actual conspiracy isn’t required for a group of people with simialr interests to behave as if they were conspiring.
take for example the height of CEOs.
there is a height IQ correlation…but CEOs are MUCH taller on average than one would expect from the slightly higher IQs of tall people.
YET…do you think that in climbing the corporate ladder anyone actually thought to himself…”let’s promote Smith. he’s taller than Johnson.”???
no.
YET…at the statistical level it’s CLEAR that short people are discriminated against.
and I say that as one who is 6′ 1 1/4″.
this is also true of various walks of life which are controlled by male homosexuals…”the gay mafia”…it’s not a myth.
just like it’s CLEAR at the statistical level that Jews discriminate against gentiles and in favor of their fellow Jews much more than the reverse…at least in the US.
but an actual conspiracy isn’t required for a group of people with simialr interests to behave as if they were conspiring.
Correct. All that’s required is for members of the group to be loyal to their group & smart enough individually to know what’s good for the group without anyone needing to tell them.
The term conspiracy theory is often just used to marginalize a claim one doesn’t like, although even actual conspiracies do exist in the World
Hey PP,
Didn’t you state before that height had no impact on income when taking IQ into account?
I found it hard believe at first…most people want to assume that people get ahead in life due to looks/unfair discrimination, but it really just may be superior intelligence and genes (which affect intelligence and appearance)!
Yes, despite the common perception that being tall is a huge competitive advantage in life, especially for men, if you look at the people who are the top in American life: billionaires, U.S. presidents, they don’t seem much taller than their g factor scores would predict. I could be wrong because I don’t have great data, but if you assume a 0.27 correlation between height and g (a bit lower for IQ since it’s an imperfect proxy for g), and you assume the top elites average about +2.33 SD in g (a bit lower in IQ), then intelligence alone would predict they’re 0.27(2.33 SD) = +0.63 SD in height. For white men, +0.63 SD is just under six feet which is about average for elites. I don’t see strong evidence for an independent height premium…Of course I might be overestimating the correlation between height and g, in-which case there is a height premium.
However a study found that the correlation between height and income was only 0.13, which sounds low enough to be entirely explained by the IQ-height correlation.
and again peepee…unz’s dad was the phd in chemistry and a GENTILE.
the nazis didn’t use the one-drop rule. 1/2 jews were safe from extermination or prison camps.
and no. i have no jewish ancestry as far as i know.
the recently deceased Helmut Schmidt was 1/4 jewish and he fought for germany in WW II and became chancellor.
no you fucktard.
you’ve been mis-informed.
unz’s dad was a HUGE jew and his phd was in physics.
http://www2.ljworld.com/obituaries/2011/aug/30/hillel-unz/
WTF
PP can you post a list of blogs you read or add a blogroll to your site?
I check out a lot of the blogs on the HBD 23:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/09/27/the-hbd-23-fall-2015/
how biased is the american media?
peepee’s hero sanders has only one biological child…and that child is a bastard!
but hey i changed my registration from independent to democrat just to vote for sanders, but if it’s trump v clinton i vote trump.
If you vote, you are a retard. See: voting paradox.
it has been true hitherto that all candidates for president were corrupt, and therefore voting was propping up/legitimizing an evil system.
sanders and trump aren’t corrupt or corruptible.
no, it’s that the voting paradox (wikipedia calls it “the paradox of voting”) is that a single vote almost never decides an election. so the result if a.) you stayed home or b.) you voted is 99.99999999999% the same.
if it’s the same so often why even bother voting? either you think changing the result of your representative is a fucking huge change in life value or you’re a retard and can’t compute the probability of your vote meaning shit.
mostly voting is a fun signalling thing to do and doesn’t do anything. its worthless because retards think its worth something.
by the way, charteuse/jorge/whatever, I lost a lot of respect I had for you after reading your response to my post.
I will no longer read between the lines of your posts laden with vitriol looking for a deeper meaning.
I should have been tipped off earlier by you thinking that PP is a girl. Top kek.
I didn’t know the voting paradox was an actual thing, it just seemed like common sense to me that my one single vote didn’t matter. How often are elections decided on a single vote. Once a friend and I were on our way to vote and he then reminded his parents to vote.
“Aren’t your parents voting for the opposite of party we’re voting for?” I asked him
“Yes,” he replied
“Okay, you realize you just cancelled out the votes we’re about to make?”
He just stood there looking stupid.
The voting paradox, like HBD and atheism, are just things that rational people know, but you’re not allowed to talk about them because people find if offensive and will say something like:
“Do you realize people have risked their lives for the right to vote? Shame on you for not voting.”
So I guess the point of the article (it only shows the first page) is we have an ethical responsibility to vote, otherwise we’re freeloading off others who do so
FUCKTARD!
YOUR “PARADOX” BELONGS TO THE GENERAL CATEGORY OF SORITES PARADOXES
WHICH AREN’T PARADOXES.
THEY’RE GAY.
MY FAVORITE “PARADOX” IS THE “SURPRISE EXAM PARADOX”…
IF ONE…
1. KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME THAT AN EXAM WILL BE GIVEN WITHIN A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME, AND…
2. THAT IT WILL BE A SURPRISE WHEN IT IS GIVEN…
ONE CAN “REASON” TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.
AND YOU’RE IGNORING PRACTICAL REASON…
IF ALMOST NO ONE VOTED THE “DEMOCRATICALLY” ELECTED GOVT WOULD HAVE NO LEGITIMACY…THERE’D BE A REVOLUTION.
My guess is that most thought me quite middling. I rarely demonstrated anything more than mediocrity, and occasionally much less. My early experiences with psychometric testing were either indeterminate or undistinguished. In grade 7 (in 1966), I was introduced to the Otis-Lennon Mental Ability Test. Verbalized, my mindset was “My academic path, future, and perceived worth are riding on the result; a ‘gifted-level’ showing is essential.” My anxiety was such that, upon viewing the first test question, I entered what, by outward appearances, could have been taken for a cataleptic state. I sat transfixed for no less than fifteen minutes – one-third of the allotted test period. Gradually the state subsided, but, by the time I’d become fully engaged and lucid, more than half of the period had been exhausted. Most assuredly the outcome was abysmal. I was reacquainted with said test in grade 10. My perspective as to what was at stake had been firmly cemented three years earlier, and thus my state of mind and performance were no different. Grade 11 introduced me to the SAT, through which I discovered that CONDITIONED (anxious) RESPONSE + PLODDING READING TECHNIQUE = 990. One might therefore find it odd that, years later, when I happened upon an IQ test book authored by Psychologist Hans Eysenck, I purchased it without a moment’s hesitation. I recall that it included several tests, the final of which furnished a verbal, a spatial, and a numerical IQ. My performance equated to an overall IQ of approximately 145 (16 point SD, I believe). Scores on the latter test were essentially as follows: verbal, 130; spatial, 140; numerical, beyond the range of the test. Many years later, I took a stab at Ronald Hoeflin’s Mega Test. At a glance, the result – 45/48 (IQ 183) – seemed incongruous and, perhaps, a considerable overstatement. But given that the test’s un-prodded feel was conducive to what I felt was my first unconstrainedly representative test performance, I don’t dismiss the possibility that a lesser score might have been an understatement.
ARGH WORD BLOCK-WALL/CANNOT COMPUTE!!
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Wow, thanks!
My mom tells me that teachers thought that I was a pretty bright kid when I was younger. My English teacher (when I thanked her about enlightening me on the cancer that is called grades) told me that I did have a lot of potential, and that I was quite inquisitive.
I’ve probably heard more comments about my curiosity than my intelligence. Then, I’m only slightly above average, so I’d probably not get that many comments about my intelligence.
I don’t exactly trust my teachers though. I feel pretty goddamn stupid most of the time. The only times I don’t feel super stupid is when I engage in a Philosophy discussion with friends or one of my teachers.
Also, one time in Computer Science, without realizing I essentially restated the bubble sort method, my teacher praised me on the fact that I came up with that. Apparently, another teacher was also a bit surprised that I came up with that. It doesn’t really matter though, since I failed the final exam because all I did was screw around.