Because intelligence can be defined as the ability to adapt; to take whatever situation you’re in and turn it around to your advantage, rich people should be smarter than poor people. I came up with the theory that in America, for every ten fold increase in money, average IQ jumps about 10 points (give or take). So:
Homeless people: Average IQ 76
Four figure income earners: Average IQ 86
Five figure income earners: Average IQ 96
Self-made millionaires: Average IQ 106
Self-made decamillionaires: Average IQ 116
Self-made centimillionaires: Average IQ 126
Self-made billionares: Average IQ 136
Self-made decabillionaires: Average IQ 146
Now Donald Trump claims to be worth $10 billion, but as a master of self-promotion, that figure might be wildly exaggerated. Authoritative Forbes magazine (the gold standard for wealth valuation), recently put his net worth at $4 billion. However New York Times journalist Timothy O’Brien claimed in 2005 that Trump’s net worth is a measly $200 million, though Trump sued O’Brien for claiming this.
I’m going to go with Forbes magazine and assume Trump is worth $4 billion. This might suggest an IQ around 136. However Trump inherited a huge chunk of his fortune and brand from his father, who was a 20th century centimillionaire (equivalent to a billionaire today). So perhaps it was Trump’s father who might have been around 136 IQ. Since the father-son IQ correlation is 0.45, Trump’s IQ might only be 45% as far above the U.S. mean of 96 as his dad was, giving him an expected IQ of:
0.45(136 – 96) + 96 = 114
However Trump multiplied his inheritance many times over, so his IQ is likely higher than an inheritance billionaire (IQ 114), but lower than a self-made billionaire (IQ 136). I’m guessing his IQ is around 125, which is higher than 95% of White America, but even that isn’t always enough.
Trump recently got severely criticised for minimizing John McCain’s war hero status, which was a colossally stupid mistake for someone running as a Republican. Trump has been surging in the polls because he was willing to insult anyone, but I suspect he miscalculated in this case, and it will hurt him, and it’s a mistake I don’t think he would have made had his IQ been 10 points higher. IQ is much like money. No matter how much you have, you never get to a point where you don’t need more.
As the great J.P. Rushton once explained to me, all of us have successes, all of us make mistakes, but high IQ people tend to get further ahead in life, partly because they make fewer mistakes.
Meanwhile here’s rare footage of Trump contemplating the presidency way back in the 1980s on Oprah:
Where are the six figure income earner ?
If you make 6 figures a year for 20 years, you should amass a 7 figure net worth if you choose to; so i figure six figure earners are equivalent to self-made millionaires in IQ
First of all there are no stupid billionaires. Both of my kids tested over 140 and they decided to be mathematicians and not pursue the dollar as their old man did. I can recognize innate intelligence. It is the ability to decipher, understand and solve problems. To see what others can’t. Trump is over 140 whether you like him or not and so is Hillary. Obama is maybe in the low 120’s or teens as the guy can’t answer basis questions. This entire argument that you’ve made is ridiculous. There are homeless college professors living on the streets in LA and I’m sure they are a hell of a lot smarter than any of you.
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One part of Trump’s success you did not include. I believe he graduated second in his class from the Wharton School of Business. From this achievement, I would think you could come up with a much closer estimate of his IQ. I truly doubt his IQ is below 140.
Did he really graduate second in his class? Has that been independently confirmed by anyone?
He did not graduate from the Wharton School. He spent less than 2 years there. He was an average student and his grades were not good enough to get into the Wharton School without the help from his influential family. Some gave his IQ of 103. I do not believe it could be more than that. His limited vocabulary and his inability to speak articulately and his lack of knowledge on foreign policy and American history is astounding.
Corinne, I doubt his IQ is as average as 103. The fact that he’s been so successful in three different fields, real estate, television & now politics, indicates a cognitive ability to adapt.
He did not graduate from the Wharton School. He spent less than 2 years there. He was an average student and his grades were not good enough to get into the Wharton School without the help from his influential family. Some gave his IQ of 103. I do not believe it could be more than that. His limited vocabulary and his inability to speak articulately and his lack of knowledge on foreign policy and American history is astounding.
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Hey Corrine Hayes,
You sing opera? Can you sing the part of Jenny from Threepenny Opera? I just saw that recently.
I was drunk when I made those last 2 comments. Actually Trump’s vocab does suck. And he probably did get family help to get into Wharton. But there’s no way his IQ is only 103.
Here’s a bit more evidence about his IQ
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/09/03/donald-trump-flunks-foreign-policy-test-says-hell-learn-on-the-job/
from what I’ve read online, it appears that no honor followed his name at graduation.
I loathe Donald Trump,
BUT his IQ could be high, or it could be pretty mediocre.
With these people who’s rhetoric is so stupid it’s hard to tell if they are serious (another example, Ann Coulter), it’s hard to tell IQs.
So…
*he speaks at a 4th Grade level*
He has to connect with his followers. =^)
the hardcore Trump supporters can be dumb and mean/abrasive, and go looking for fights, but many are fine.
The one group I really can’t stand unequivocally (and they are dumber and meaner) are Mann Coulter’s followers.
What a shill.
Part of why I hate WNs, she’s part of the Neo-Con propagandists that helped to cause the European migrant crisis, yet it’s all forgiven because she uses “Mexican” and “rapist” in the same sentence and calls Asians “Mandarins”.
What a loser.
The WNs are often times pretty desperate.
He did not graduate with honors. He took courses at Wharton but actually graduated fro Univ of Penn (Economics/Anthropology). Likely his grades were just average. he has never provided any documentation/proof of his claims.
Anthropology?
Maybe he should go on an archeological dig of the Aztec ruins 😉
I AM THINKING MORE LIKE 170.
Are you kidding me? Trump never he WENT to class! He bought his diploma by paying others to take tests for him.
LIke the matter of fact that Trump is just so ridiculous and makes these rlly stupid claims– like making Mexico PAY for the wall…..
I doubt his IQ is over 1. LIke no joke
“Are you kidding me? Trump never he WENT to class! He bought his diploma by paying others to take tests for him.”
Source.
WRONG He did NOT graduate from Wharton Business school
You people, including dthe author of the collumn, don’yt know shit about IQ’s. I’ve got an IQ of 130, and I’m dumb as a brick. So go do some more research.
I test at 140. I’m very smart – but not very ambitious. I make a comfortable mid-5-figure income, neatly budgeted, but have very little savings or property. Intelligence is a lot like money – How much you _have_ is rarely as important as how you _use_ it.
Jim Lambert:
Based on the grammatical structure of your reply, I concur with your assertion, you are “dumb as a brick.” Similar to the rest of your response, perhaps you accidentally inverted your IQ points. Perhaps they should read 031 rather than 130.
Several brilliant people have also been proven to be insane or severely mentally ill! Think about several great authors, artists, business men, etc. Perhaps Trump is intelligent but intelligence, power and mental instability often end in disastrous results
i guess you feel pretty salty… boy,have you been proven wrong..and his IQ is 156
no, It’s not.
No… it isn’t 156. He’s a liar. Haven’t you been paying attention? He’s also a psychopath and sexual predator. Anyone with a high IQ wouldn’t behave like a five-year-old like Trump does. Besides his short temper, countless insults, and his compulsive lying, he can’t construct an intelligent sentence, AND he shouldn’t be ignoring SECURITY briefings! We’re in a world of hurt with this low IQer in office.
JUST BECAUSE HE WENT TO THIS SCHOOL DOESN’T MEAN HE’S SMART…..
And thats why you yourself are not smart. So many political talking heads all said going against McCain was a bad move, and now we all know nobody cares. Trump knew this. But the fact that you just assumed it was a bad move reveals how utterly average you are.
It caused him to be more inclined to do the Veteran’s fundraiser, after which he did not turn over the money, and was ridiculed in the media and world.
ALL HAIL TRUMPENREICH!
Your “Theory of American IQ” is extremely flawed, and I can’t decide if it’s a joke, or you’re a four figure income earner. My IQ is 127. I am a 51 year old woman living on Disability and Medicare. According to your calculations I should be a self-made centimillionaire. You can’t generalize people the way you have and expect people to think you’re anything other than an idiot.
The figures in that chart are very rough & they are the expected IQ of people at different financial levels; they are NOT the expected financial level of people at different IQs. Those numbers would be very different.
Think of it this way. The expected weight of a seven footer is over 200 lbs, but the expected height of a 200 pounder is not seven feet.
now, wouldn’t regression work both ways, pp.
For instance someone like Trump, I’d just estimate is +5 SDs for wealth, assuming an 0.4 correlation, would have an IQ of 5(0.4)= 2 SDs above the median,
but someone with a +5 SD IQ would be estimated to have wealth 5(0.4)= 2 SDs above the median.
also, say in your case, you have an IQ about 3 SDs above the median so your income should be either
3(0.4)= 1.2 SDs above the median or 3(1/0.4 SDs)= 7.5 SDs (pretty much an impossibility?)
3 SD = 145
3(0.4)= 1.2 SDs
“Self-made decabillionaires: Average IQ 146”
So:
1.2(15) = 18
SD = 18
146 + 18 = 164
146 – 18 = 128
68 percent of decabillionaires are between 128 and 164.
95 percent of decabillionaires are between 110 and 182.
You don’t understand how this works.
What an abjectly simple analysis of IQ ranges. First, as with the Orangeman, most multi-millionaires and billionaires inherited at least the seed money for big time investing, establishing corps., or greedy financial institution. Aside from WAIT (the gold standard or IQ testing since the early 60’s), inventors – notably people like Bill Gates, et al, – are much better indicators of IQ levels. I love the way these websites estimate the exact IQ’s of U.S. presidents and others. For example, Albert Einstein, who indeed was a genius by any mental measure, is estimated to have had an IQ c. 180. Einstein, Jefferson, Voltaire, Plato, Sam Clemens (Twain), Immanuel Kant, James Joyce, ad infinitum, never took IQ tests. Most of them indicate that Bill Clinton had the highest IQ among all presidents; where the hell did that come from? Of course other factors include the circumstances of life in children’s formative years, opportunities for quality education, and wealth. or lack therof. I would love to compare Neil deGrasse Tyson’s IQ to any billionaire on this piece of rock.
WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I TOOK THE MENSA TEST, PASSED, AND WAS ABLE TO JOIN, BUT ALAS, THEY WANTED MONEY, I WAS ARROGANT FOR MY AGE AND PASSED. ONLY REASON I MENTION THIS, IS IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT TRUMP IS SMARTER THAN ME, I FIGURE HE HAS AN IQ OF ABOUT 170, IF YOU CAN’T PROVE ME WRONG S T F U. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I AM NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT. ITS ALSO AN EDUCATED GUESS THAT THE LARGER AMOUNT OF LIBERALS ARE UNDER 100, AS IS OBAMAS.
There is NO WAY you passed the Mensa test. You only stated that so people would consider your next statements as fact. Ha! I can tell from your comments and lack of writing ability/grammar that you have a very low IQ and no doubt always have. Trump’s IQ can’t be any higher than 114, and as others have stated, socioeconomic status on it’s own means very little when determining IQ. People like Steve Jobs and other “inventors” have MUCH higher IQs than people who merely go to college (and in Trump’s case, BOUGHT their diplomas) and work for large companies resulting in six figure salaries per year. Trump’s juvenile attitude, his mocking behavior, his insults, his short temper, his lack of ability to construct intelligent sentences, and his constant reference to being smart, all proves… he isn’t.
Money alone should not be a criteria that shadows money. A Norwegian Archeologist studying the the statues of Easter island declared ” Never underestimate the mind of man”
Intelligence ‘might’ lead to more wealth…. But that’s it. No IQ score can be derived directly from wealth.
It’s like guessing height from weight. You’ll be wrong a lot but you’ll be right more often than chance
”As the great J.P. Rushton once explained to me, all of have successes, all of us make mistakes, but high IQ people tend to get further ahead in life, partly because they make fewer mistakes.”
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150413-the-downsides-of-being-clever
Pumpkin, you should calculate who would have the higher IQ between East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews by using the method you used to calculate the chimps IQ (brain size and reaction time).
If Ashkenazi Jews are slower and have a smaller brain, there would have no reason that they are smarter than East Asians.
May be verbal IQ is more specialized than spatial IQ, it would seem logical in the sense that spatial IQ takes more brain than verbal IQ, and verbal IQ evolved because of the evolution of spatial IQ and not the opposite which indicate that verbal IQ is just something which role is to support spatial IQ, at the origin.
And if intelligence is the capacity to adapt to a wide range of environment, we should expect that Ashkenazi would have the capacity to create their own civilisation by starting for nothing, and do this better than East Asians if they are smarter.
You could also do the same with Northern Europeans who have bigger brains than Ashkenazi Jews.
Stupid
Anything else to say except writing a single word like a complet retard ?
I’ve wondered about Jewish reaction time too, but I’m aware of no data. It would be significant if Jews turned out to have slower reaction times than East Asians, but Jews might be unique in that they have certain rare neurological diseases that Cochran says cause high IQs.
Indeed because Jews are so genetically homogeneous, scientists are flocking them to find everything from genes for breast cancer to genes for autism.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/22/us/concern-among-jews-is-heightened-as-scientists-deepen-gene-studies.html
I’m surprised, no one’s found (or looked?) for high IQ genes in the Jewish population, unless Mugabe’s right and their high IQs are not genetic. Though considering HBD is still taboo, the research may take a long time. It could also be that Jews are so selected for high IQ genes that there’s not enough genetic IQ variation for scientists to study.
As for verbal being more specialized than spatial, I see your point, but on the other hand, the least specialized form of reasoning is neither verbal, spatial, numerical, or social, but abstract. The people who can adapt to the most environments are those who can think abstractly, and verbal IQ seems more related to abstract thought.
How can something increase intelligence by not increading reaction time and/or brain weight/size ?
And why would spatial IQ need more brain than verbal IQ if it is less specialized ?
All this seems to violate Occams razor.
Spatial IQ evolved to make us capable of understanding how the things were working in our environment in order to make us capable of adapting to these events (making tools, etc…). Verbal IQ appear because we were a social animal and to make us able to communicate and memorize information to make the utilisation of spatial IQ more easy in a group perspective. Verbal IQ would have no utility without spatial IQ, like motor skills, social IQ and empathy would have no utility without spatial IQ.
Btw, you were saying in a comment that a 125 IQ lady with a very high verbal IQ wasnt able to understand the notion of average.
Spatial IQ is about to understand how the world work and verbal IQ is about to communicate our understanding of the world.
It would also be interesting to see who, between Asians and Jews, would be better at an executive fonction test, because its a very general type of intelligence which can always be useful.
How about comparing Jewish women and Asian women? The 1st group usually come off as know it all, and condescending.
In therm of intellectuality, this country should be much better than Uass.
All the English Speaking nations have descended into low quality, almost barbarian states like a repeat of history.
If ”jews”, on average ( or not), have little brains, compared with east asians and whites, they may have ”higher mental energy”, or efficient use of the brain.
If spatial iq correlates substantially with wisdom, then painters would geniuses of the wisdom. 😉
How can something increase intelligence by not increading reaction time and/or brain weight/size ?
Because brain size and reaction time are just two of multiple variables that determine intelligence, just as height and muscle mass are just two of multiple variables that determine weight. So just as it’s possible to have high weight despite having low height and low muscle mass, it’s also possible to have high intelligence despite having a small brain and a slow reaction time.
And why would spatial IQ need more brain than verbal IQ if it is less specialized ?
Some have argued that spatial ability, if it requires more brain mass, is analogous to computers. For example, a page of text might take up 50 KB of storage, while a photo might take up 500 KB. Analogously, thinking with words (verbal ability) may take up less cubic centimeters of brain volume than thinking with images (spatial ability).
All this seems to violate Occams razor.
The high Jewish IQ does seem to require special explanations, that don’t fit elegantly into general HBD theories.
Spatial IQ evolved to make us capable of understanding how the things were working in our environment in order to make us capable of adapting to these events (making tools, etc…). Verbal IQ appear because we were a social animal and to make us able to communicate and memorize information to make the utilisation of spatial IQ more easy in a group perspective. Verbal IQ would have no utility without spatial IQ, like motor skills, social IQ and empathy would have no utility without spatial IQ.
That’s a very original way of thinking about it! But to me the most intelligent person is simply the one who can figure out how to best adapt in the greatest number of situations. It’s hard to know whether verbal or spatial is more adaptable because on an IQ test like the WAIS, roughly half the situations (subtests) we must adapt to are verbal and half are spatial, so they’re given equal weight by design. But reality might be very different.
You would need a random sample of all situations that have ever occurred in the universe to see which is truly more adaptable.
But a lot of jews pucker their forehead. Why some people pucker their forehead and others not?? I think it may be a intermediary trait, ”atavic” than greater and active frontal lobe ( forehead) , partially responsible for moral judgment capacity. I’m reading Darwin, 😉
Seems pucker forehead is non-verbal language for lies or just for overuse of ”mental gymnastics”.
@pumpkinperson
You should estimate this lady’s IQ. Just look at her head size. Also she is Jewish.
Because Jews have high IQs despite having small brains, I would expect the few Jews with huge brains to be super smart.
damn she has a big butt
i read today that 20% of married aOttowans were signed up to some “cheating” website. and some Ottowan PI claimed the Canadian divorce rate is 55%.
my God Canada is PROLE and SHITTY.
it even has its uber shittiness broadcast on my local public radio every weekday in the form of
“q”.
even Canada’s celeb journalism is shitty compared to Fresh Air (which is super shitty), Merca-stan’s public radio celeb journalism.
Canuck town isn’t as prolish as the Meriprolestan. Just look at their cities versus ours, and that says it all.
Think about it, academic achievement, for example, is mostly genetic:
http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150723/srep11713/pdf/srep11713.pdf
So it only makes sense that some nations, probably Canada, don’t have the genes for things like that. As opposed to Americans or Brits.
Canada have a greater proportion of french descendents. In therm of intellectuality, this country should be much better than Uass.
Evolution is still happening, the Dutch very recently evolved their genetic propensity for greater height: http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/04/did-natural-selection-make-dutch-tallest-people-planet
Perhaps Canadians in their few centuries of divergence have become dumber.
Here is Jeff Berwick, who seems to be an Ashkenazi Canadian. I have to say, he has more class than your American Jew. Most Americans are garbage.
He’s being interviewed by this French Hottie:
Well idk what’s happening to America cuz like u ppl voted in Trump so don’t look at us Canadians cuz at least we have an actual leader
Puncker or corrugate the forehead may can correlate with ”intermediary phenotype” for frontal lobe development and ”people that overuse their brain”, jews** Specially, people with little forehead, many jews, anedoctally, have little foreheads.
Like cucko bird ”which” parasite other nests… a intermediary instinct or trait like Darwin noted. Cuckoo parasites other nests because they aren’t able to build their own.
Other thing, jews may evolved to parasitism when they evolved to be more clever, because in warrior societies, ”soldier psychological prototypes” is needed and jews, since early times, no have greater proportion of warrior prototype or personality-cognitive types.
Seems to be the opposite of blacks, who have the warrior prototype, but are also parasitic and sociopathic.
Yes, partially. Sociopaths would be as warrior-muscular body and parasitic-bon-vivant-like lifestyle ( mind).
I look at the late Steve Jobs of Apple Computers, as the consummate successful sociopath, with a combination of nerdy/asperger beta personality, required for civilization development, and the psychopathic personality of superficial charm and alpha popularity, that one needs to reach to the top echelons of American society. His products are a testament to this.
Remember, Jews don’t make or care to market tangible products. Think of Google and Facebook, but not Apple, when it comes to Jews!
Remember, Jews don’t make or care to market tangible products. Think of Google and Facebook, but not Apple, when it comes to Jews!
Jews don’t create tangible products, ever? Facebook and Google aren’t ‘tangible’ (I’ll deduce that Internet products are too abstract to be ‘tangible’)? I guess I fell for that LOTB lie that computer programming is value creative.
Nevertheless, the average Jew probably contributes way more to society than you.
What do Jews really contribute other than circle jerk academia, law and finance?
Jews don’t even own many restaurants in NYC, and they are a majority here. Parasites, because they need people to cook their meals!
And the fact that Jews have lower spatial IQ means they are not inclined to make tangible stuff like the Japanese, as a good example.
I’ve come across many people of different occupations, and Jews are over-represented as a people who don’t make things like lawyers. The Japanese are at the opposite spectrum, as craftsman and chefs.
Well “JS” if most Americans are garbage, what are you? Just curious. You’re too cowardly to even use a NAME on your posts and that usually means you’re a conspiracy theorist and have a low IQ.
Produce more, negatively speaking.
People who believe in official jewish story made by jewish ‘historicians’ are on average, truly retard in some neurological perspective or are dishonest.
IQ is much like money. No matter how much you have, you never get to a point where you don’t need more.
From Heartiste’s Dating Market Value Test for Men:
15. What is your IQ?
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point
Is Roissy right about this? He might be. It seems plausible to me.
There is also a theory about the entertainment industry that says that in order to appeal to the average man’s taste an author, showman, filmmaker, singer etc. has to be average himself. Are J.K. Rowling, Dan Brown, etc. anywhere close to being the smartest writers of their generation? I don’t think so. I think that they’re able to speak to the average book buyer because they have his mentality. Extra points would have probably hurt their sales.
If you go by self-proclaimed SAT scores, Stephen King has an IQ around 138, so based on that sample of one, I’m guessing the average popular writer is way above average. If you’re really smart, you’ll be smart enough to dumb yourself down if that’s the field you choose to work in. Many high IQ folks will reject popular entertainment for more intellectual fields, but those who pursue it will use their high IQs to connect with a dumb audience.
That’s not to say all popular writers have above average IQs, but I think a super high IQ is a huge competitive advantage in virtually whatever field you’re motivated to work in.
Interesting. My IQ was 138:136 M:V, and once in awhile I produce a good ‘lite verse’. Otherwise, my writing is simply self-indulgent bombast and fustian. I suspect my real objective is to squish brains out through the nose whilst forcing them to giggle as they bust their guts out. At college, my IQ was slightly higher, but by then had given up assuming that the testing process had been created by people with IQs higher than 99. I had an uncle who was head of the College Boards, back in the day, and he was highly intellectual in 18th-century literature, but not, to my mind, a good administrator and, frankly, a mere poetaster in modern literature. Calling Gore Vidal “a silly fag who never went to college” was a hint. Vidal didn’t need babysitting.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2015/08/donald-trump-is-a-genius-but-thats-just-his-iq-3038790.html
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This theoretical relation between dollars to IQ score is ridiculous. I’m not a billionaire, yet, my IQ is just over 140. I am a self-made millionaire though. My brother, who is a high school teacher, has an IQ of 130. He’s practically destitute given that he’s terrible with his money. My father-in-law was worth a mere $360,000 when he died. He was a well known genius with an IQ of 155. Obviously, there is no correlation between his IQ and economic worth. His interest was in academia rather than capitalism. By the way, I’m a Ashkenazi Jew.
These are just my estimates for the median IQ of people at various levels of financial success. They are not to be confused with the median level of financial success of people at various levels of IQ.
Because of regression to the mean, rich people are much less impressive in IQ than they are in money, and smart people are much less impressive in money than they are in IQ.
The following is the typical yearly income (by early 30s) of people with various IQ levels (note this is just the statistical trend, enormous individual variation exists):
LOL read better Mr. 140 IQ
I took many IQ tests as a child with Very Superior Scores. My standardized test scores were so high (99%), that I tool my SAT exams in middle school. So, it’s ironic that I cannot earn 6 figures.
The typical IQ of a people with a given income is not at all the same as the IQ at which that income is typical. Because the correlation between IQ & money is only about 0.4, rich people are only 40% as impressive in IQ as they are in normalized income (on average) and smart people are only 40% as impressive in normalized income as they are in IQ
but 6 figures in loonies is easy pees-y.
Close pp, trump recently claimed iq 132
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/676174398253068289
He retweeted someone who said that his IQ was 132. It’s not Trump’s IQ.
Police officers in NYC earn more than the average academic working at a college, as much as 4X their salary. With overtime, a high ranking officer can earn 180K/year. Law enforcement folks are generally not that smart. Perhaps any gov’t work and salary levels are not IQ dependent. If this is the case, why work for the private sector, especially in our current economic climate???
AMEN to that! Why I went to work in the private sector is beyond me. I’m now attempting to get a job with the government. But it seems like an impossibility at age 51. I have degrees in political science, English, and public administration. I’ve also written two books on government contracts. Yet, I can’t seem to land a job with the federal government. Perhaps they don’t want to hire a 51 year old caucasion male.
The UPSA (United Prole States of America) is on the verge of meltdown, especially with its higher learning institutions.
First and foremost, how will the banks recoup their losses by lending money to all these gullible youngsters to attend college, who will never have the sufficient means to pay them back? The reasons are poor job prospects and low pay.
Academia in the UPSA was always a scam and a status game. It’s sole existence is a pyramid scheme similar to that to any other entity in this country. One cannot become an academic in the UPSA, simply because of its strictly capitalistic nature that rewards the highest enablers with socialism, and the others with absolutely no social net to pursue what they want. Tenured professors get a fat salary, and in some cases free housing in the most desirable areas of town. The same principle applies to our USPA CEOs who get golden parachute payments for running the company to the ground, and Harvard Grads who get lucrative jobs, simply because of a degree from the school.
What a stupid evaluation of intelligence based on income. I’ve met homeless people who could write a better article so I suppose you’re around 70. Trump is a douche though
Trump is much more than a douche. He’s a misogynistic, egomaniacal, racist, xenophobe, fascist, bigot with a god complex, paranoid schizophrenic tendencies, delusions of grandeur and romantic inclinations toward his own spawn.
He is a perfect example of the argument being made for psychological evaluations being a mandatory prerequisite of candidates for high political office. Oh and I have an IQ of 127, but live completely on Disability. According to this measurement of IQ, I should be making billions. If only.
Trump is probably smart but not brilliant (120s) but has a severe learning disability (just listen to him talk) which makes him appear much less intelligent than he is, it’s also part of his act.
and see this; https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/07/22/estimating-the-iq-of-donald-trump/comment-page-1/#comment-27004
He’s disgusting. He doesn’t like muzzis, yet looks at his DAUGHTER as muzzies (Arabs) look at their cousins. Hilarious. Fascist?! NO. Mussolini was a fascist. Trump is nowehere near Fascist. He’s not a racist, he’s an American Nationalist. He gets shit on by the alt-right for being an American Nationalist. He’s not a racoist (whatever that means). But he’s egomaniacal with a god-complex who’s paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur and romantic inclinations with his own spawn.
Don’t worry though. If he wins he will not do a thing he has said.
I’m just ready to watch the world burn. Nothing will be done to reverse the downward spiral on this country.
Renee- I loathe Trump. I really do. Just look at some of these comments; his supporters are half-wits.
But he’s still no dummy.
Same here. He won’t do a thing he says.
Well I wonder who has egg on their face now? I guess that comment about McCain didn’t hurt Mr Trump after all now did it?
This is without a doubt one of the most intellectual articles I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Your reasoning is not only childish, but looks at nothing as evidence. As someone with an IQ of 135… so using your stupid chart I am going to be a Billionaire. I am assuming this was written by a homeless person (Low IQ according to your chart in case you did not get the joke)
Claiming that the average IQ of self-made billionaires is 135 is not at all the same as claiming the average IQ 135 becomes a self-made billionaire.
To make an analogy, the typical self-made billionaire is a man, but the typical man is not a self-made billionaire.
But I do agree that the chart is a bit oversimplified, and I’m working on a new one that is much more empirically based.
“This is without a doubt one of the most intellectual articles I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Your reasoning is not only childish”
intellectually but childish? I think you mean anti-intellectual.
It is total idiocy to estimate someone’s IQ simply because of their wealth.
I will say two other things in regard to Trump, IQ and intelligence. If we were to judge his intelligence based on his rhetoric and assume he really believes what he says(which I will admit is probably not the case in a lot of cases) then he isn’t even close to intelligent. The other thing I will say is you can’t be intelligent and lack self-awareness. So for example if someone says something that is self-contradictory(like say a fat person saying to someone “lose some eight fatso”) that is an example of lack of self-awareness and thus proof of stupidity. Suffice to say I’ve seen example after example of lack of self-awareness from Trump. So I very much doubt Trump has a high IQ like he claims. He certainly isn’t intelligent and I don’t assume people are smart simply because they are wealthy.
You may want to work on your grammar skills. I agree; one’s net worth doesn’t necessarily correlate with an IQ score. It could be inherited or the wealthy individual simply possesses financial common sense.
Trump is like Stanley (with little more money ) of ”Streetcar named desire”.
Both are intellectual and cognitive stupid but they have instinct, what ”hbb” laugh, ”instinctual intelligence”, a lot of this instinctive smarter ones we can found among nationalists.
And left intellectual elites are like ”Blanche”, ms DuBois, 😉
Sorry, instinctive and not instinctual, lol
This is, at face value, retarded. I’m not a genius. I go to Vanderbilt, not Harvard. The average iq of homeless people is 76??? Where the f did you get that? And what does it mean to make a four figure income? Obviously you can support yourself on that. And would otherwise be homeless unless you’re 17 and live w your parents. You’re completely making this shit up as you go along. Sham for it.
It was just a rough and ready estimate based on preliminary data. Some of the numbers are off. I have since done a far more extensive and accurate analysis of the IQs of different income levels here (and provided all my sources)
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/
Many people earn 4 figures but avoid homelessness by collecting welfare, which I don’t count as part of earned income.
Writing incomplete sentences such as, ” And would otherwise be homeless unless you’re 17 and live w your parents.” makes me question whether you truly go to Vanderbilt.
There you go again. Making all these leaps in logic about a person’s intelligence simply because of how rich they are. You would have thought George Orwell was stupid since he lived in poverty.
I will say this. Intelligence and self-awareness are very much related. If you lack self-awareness you can’t claim to be intelligent. Trump isn’t self-aware and you can see that lack of self-awareness when he accuses people of being nasty, lying or of using foul language. All those things perfectly describes him so accusing anyone of those things only opens him up to charges of not only hypocrisy by jaw dropping hypocrisy yet you still accusing people of that which is indicative of extreme lack of self-awareness. Probably one of the best examples of his lack of self-awareness is when he retweeted multiple times from racist with the handle “WHITE GENOCIDE”. Now the fact that Trump retweeted that multiple times either means Trump is a racist(which I doubt although he certainly is willing to pander to racist) or he was so stupid that he wasn’t able to put two and two together and at least figure out that with a handle like that there would be a high probability the “WHITE GENOCIDE” was a racist.
There are other examples I could cite too,
There you go again. Making all these leaps in logic about a person’s intelligence simply because of how rich they are.
It’s not an assumption it’s a guess. A starting point.
You would have thought George Orwell was stupid since he lived in poverty.
If that’s all I knew about him, yes, but if I knew he wrote 1984, I would have revised my estimate upward. If I find strong evidence that Trump is dumber than his money implies, I will revise him downward. Actually I did see such evidence. He recently misspelled the President’s first name in a tweet.
Trump doesn’t do his own tweets; his interns do.
“Trump doesn’t do his own tweets; his interns do.”
I’m not sure about Trump, but it seems like Hillary’s rarely end in “-H”, so we could assume he’s similar.
BUT Trump thinks “0.37>0.38”
Lol
This notion that intelligence and making money are connected this day and time is laughable. Today I would say that being wealthy in many cases means that you are willing to do things that others are not willing to do.
Nonsense. There is a very strong correlation between IQ and income. But since you just spout nonsense before googling it so as not to hurt your little feelings, Im sure you are not the smartest person yourself.
Clifton. Insightful comment. Much of success is based on willing to take a chance. It’s also hiring more intelligent individuals than ourselves.
It takes IQ to know who to hire, and know how to manage them. If you mindlessly trust your money to people smarter than yourself, you’ll get ripped off. Further, it takes IQ to be someone brilliant people want to work for.
I happen to be a millionaire with a 142 IQ. The best people I’ve hired over the years have been brighter than me. They make good decisions and challenge me. Pharmaceutical entrepreneur Ewing Marion Kauffman points out how important this is if you want to grow your business.
“Hire people who are smarter than you! In doing so, you prevent limiting the organization to the level of your own ability—and you grow the capabilities of your company.” Kauffman reportedly stated before his death. “If you hire people you consider smarter than you, you are more likely to listen to their thoughts and ideas, and this is the best way to expand on your own capabilities and build the strength of your company.”
Large conglomerates in America are gradually replacing their smartest lower level workers with blacks, where they pay them significantly less and they are willing to take the job, because blacks have lower aspirations. Smart people will exploit the environment to their advantage and might be damaging to companies in the long run.
It’s a rehash of slavery, if you think about it.
I don’t feel one ounce of sympathy for these lower-level workers. Smart among them is probably still below average. They should know they don’t get a free pass just because they’re white.
That’s why I love to read and comment on this blog with people so distinguished and intelligent persson.
Trump is a extremely vapid simpleton with what pundit described as “a highly developed lizard-brain” .
This article by a Psychotherapist seems definitive on both his IQ and his character http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2015/08/donald-trump-is-a-genius-but-thats-just-his-iq-3038790.html
Well we do not know his SAT score, we only know he went to Fordham and then Wharton. The SAT score is not a necessary condition to be admitted in such schools.
Trump did not even graduate Cum Laude at Wharton. He was not admitted there initially, but had to wait after two years (his SAT scores were not a factor), similiar to how Obama went to Occidental College first, and then to Columbia. However, Obama proved himself later on with great grades, going to graduate school, a high LSAT score, etc., etc.
Trump never did, and probably had help from his dad getting in. His IQ is not 156 (#realitysucks). His IQ is probably around 115, he thinks he can get Bernie to run as an independent, he thinks splitting the Democrats’ vote is some novel brilliant idea that he is the first one to come up with. Perhaps his ego stunts his IQ, but his thought process there shows that his IQ, ego aside, would be probably far less than 115.
Inflation adjusted for his dad’s assets, but not raw cash, he’s still LOST money.
that last comment was mainly directed at “Nicole”….
I have an IQ of about 138. However I chose to serve people rather than make money. Does that make me stupid?
I don’t think so. I have more respect for you actually.
Yes, because you could have helped a lot more people if you had become a billionaire 🙂
But seriously no. Helping others is one of the most satisfying things a person can do, so it’s deeply adaptive a personal level, even if it’s often maladaptive at the genetic level.
You need to give me a job with your Ottawa business if Trump gets elected (I’ll need to have a job lined up to be allowed to immigrate into Canada)
🙂
I wouldn’t move to canada it’s too close to the bullshit. I’d probably go to japan or china hell maybe even south africa. I had thought about europe but honestly the white extremists will probably be worse there.
I sort of have family in South Africa, but kinda distant- not sure they know I exist.
Plus, apparently the Murder rate is sky-high (actually not WN BS)
Asia, well those languages are tough to learn, pretty much any one.
Canada has apparently been fairly pro-refugee, does not really care about immigrants (predominately Asian), I mean, the Ethnic violence thing is okay in Canada, it’s Trump just sending Nukes everywhere is a problem, but that would be a problem everywhere 🙂
@Another WIlliam Playfair Web
You’re not going anywhere if Trump wins (and if he does, don’t worry he’ll tow the line like a good goy).
I don’t see why anyone sensible, would feel terribly threatened by an Anglo-Cuban from a good family (me), but reason is not strong in this cycle.
I do object to the “Anglo values” that are being pushed.
It’s stupid- the founding fathers may have been Anglos- but were the basis of our governments general principles (no not specific laws), Anglo?
No, they were Greek and a little Roman.
Even English common law was passed down from the Romans.
And they settled- or got the idea to go out and do these things with the previous progress made by Portuguese explorers and Spanish conquistadors.
Southern Europeans get the short end of the stick. I, do in many ways share a resentment of many things Anglo with JS. A sizeable chunk of Anglos act like literal animals (they trailer park types)- It doesn’t seem that you see this with many other Southern Europeans- other than debatably, the South Italian mafiasos, who are unpopular and resisted.
Unlike South Italians, Anglos seem to think their lower tiers are “victims” and not just “low IQ thugs”. Pathetic.
125 seems too high for Trump. I’d put him at 110 on a good day.
hmmm….
probably too low, but not implausible.
I’d say 125’s okay
BUT
he has a learning disability..
when he opens his mouth it’s
*BEDLAM*
Due to poor lifestyle choices, aging, etc., Trump’s intellectual capacity is clearly on the decline. He was much more articulate and, in general, much sharper when he was younger, as evidenced by interviews with him that span many years. Perhaps he had an IQ of 125 at his prime; now, however, I would be surprised if it was any higher than 115.
Based on what I’ve seen of him lately, 110 seems like a fair estimate to me. I don’t believe for a second that Trump is the calculating genius that some people make him out to be. He isn’t a total idiot, but the man is far from brilliant.
Hal- I agree.
His campaign, getting delegates to represent his campaign has been a disaster (put Cruz delegate(s) on the ballot, and a hardcore Nordicist Sympathizing WN)- if there was a contested convention he would have surely lost.
It’s lucky that Cruz gave in so easily.
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i love it when people try to correlate things like vocabulary or use terms like smart or stupid while describing I.Q. none of these is a determinant part of IQ. i actually have an iq of 160 been tested several times on it. and i have a decent vocabulary but im severely dyslexic and i make dumb mistakes. IQ speaks of intelligences not how smart or dumb or your vocabulary. intelligence in essence means your ability to learn something then use it effectively, it isnt determinant on your smarts. i know plenty people damn smart with average iq. so basically what i just said was if someone turns on a light the average person understands the light switch on means light on, a person with high intelligence knows the same, unless you teach both why the light turns n this is where intelligence comes into play the average guy will understand it but not truly apply it all where a person of high iq will (has the potential) to be able to apply this knowledge. intelligent people are no smarter then the next person outside of the application of things, we dont just kniow stuff we have to be taught same as all people, take me im a super wizz at math physics 2 in college 100% score yep straight a nerd here, but i didnt know it tell i was taught it and i could teach average iq it and they would grasp it just not truly apply it, so refrain from talking vocabulary or terms such as smart or stupid as it in itself is a sign of ignorance ( not known or untaught) by the way yes i do have a 160 iq doesnt mean im not stupid enough to smoke because i do
What did I just read?
“IQ speaks of intelligences not how smart or dumb or your vocabulary.”
Those things correlate with intelligence.
Your vocabulary is horrible and I can barely understand you.
it’s not necessarily vocabulary, it’s coherence, which even more than vocabulary is correlated with IQ.
This writer estimates IQ by HOW MUCH MONEY A PERSON MAKES? I have an M.A. in Linguistics and was a dishwasher in 2008. Now i work at a college, but I don’t carry about money. I like research.
Trump comes off as a total idiot whose privilege determined his life path. So if you’re saying he’s not that total idiot that yells, ‘Punch him in the face!’ at a Trump rally, then he’s a charade, a liar. That’s what Hitler was.
What the hell? Are we admiring fascists again?
Lol Trump is not a fascist.
It’s such an irony, given the fact that the blog author is Canadian, and his country is more socialist than America.
But one thing is for sure, America lives and dies by the sword only on consumerism.
You need money to spend, and only spend it with money.
High IQ elites are so smart, that they realized America is a country with decent climate and an abundance of resources — therefore it comes with a heavy price tag if you want to live in America. Canada and Western Europe have less decent climate. Canada is cold most of the year and North Western Europe has a foggy climate.
Blame the White trash in America for not realizing this eons ago. Now everything has been under the rug from them…too late son!
has been pulled under the rug from them…dumb trash!
America is the greatest modern day experiment on social darwanism!
Especially the baby boomers of the middle and lower classes, spent all of their money on useless garbage when times were good, now they are so broke, and cannot even leave the United States, if the shit really does hit the fan.
LMAO. There are a lot of intelligent people that are homeless. Average IQ is starting around 100. Someone with a 76 IQ is considered SLOW.
Wow, PP probably never had as many negative comments.
Although I agree with the criticism, most people haven’t gotten PP’s point. He’s not saying this IQ = this amount of wealth, he says this amount of wealth indicates this IQ. The nuance isn’t hard to get.
Wow! I am the exception to your theory. I am on disability, I was a legal assistant and researcher previously. I needn’t tell you that does not a billionaire make. My IQ? 158.
Trump’s father, the son of Elizabeth Christ and Frederick Drumpf was highly intelligent, remember his brother was a famous X ray scientist. Trumps paternal side is clearly high IQ, but his maternal side is pretty ordinary. His mom was a poor “domestic worker” from Scotland. Remember that most IQ genes are thought to be located on the X chromosome so mothers have overwhelming influence in determining male IQ.
So in short the high IQ Trump family genes have all died out. The second generation Trump males got their IQ from “dumb models”. Melania Trump is probably barely over 100, The average IQ in Slovenia is 96, her father was a car salesman, not a high IQ profession. Trump’s children all have average intelligence, if they didn’t have the backing they had they would have ended up as middle class adults. In fact this is the biggest problem in America right now, upper middle class children who’s IQ have regression to the mean are being propped up by their parents instead of falling down to the lower classes.
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