Blogger JayMan (a member of the HBD 23) achieved his 200th blog post yesterday. In honor of the occasion, I will post commenter Lion of the Judah-Sphere’s strong praise for JayMan:
…I think Jayman has the best HBD blog of all time. I didn’t discover his blog until last summer, but it has consistently, in my opinion, provided the most comprehensive understanding of the relationship between genetics and human culture (which is just a byproduct of genes). His series on the American Nations is truly brilliant, and totally revolutionized my understanding of American history and culture. And he cuts through a lot of the bullshit spouted by both conservatives and liberals by remaining as objective as one can possibly be. The downfall of some HBD bloggers is that they like to claim genetics are the cause of everything…except when they don’t want it to be. I think it’s funny when HBD conservatives claim that genes are the cause of all of black people’s failures- but want to ascribe cultural reasons whenever white groups or individuals fail…Oh, and Jayman also introduced me to the role of pathogens in human behavior. Truly a brilliant writer. …Also, both he and HBD Chick lead the way in discussing HBD topics outside of IQ.
However like any influential person who truly challenges us to think differently, JayMan has generated controversy, most notably, he was criticized by the HBD intelligentsia for claiming that Ethnic Genetic Interests don’t exist. Ethnic Genetic Interests are just the notion that favoring your own race, tribe or ethnicity is an evolved strategy for replicating genes. I personally think EGI is very plausible for very simple reasons I explained here and here, but I’m not going to say JayMan is wrong to dismiss it because there hasn’t been enough research to prove or debunk EGIs. I have no idea why JayMan believes what he believes, but it’s fun to come up with highly speculative theories (no offense intended):
1) As a racial minority, it is not in JayMan’s ethnic genetic interests to promote ethnic genetic interests because if people believe they have them, this could cause Whites to become less altruistic towards all racial minorities. Now I don’t think JayMan is aware that EGI is motivating his ant-EGI views, but ethnic genetic interests often operate at the subconscious level, like genetic whispers, guiding us in very subtle ways to advance our ethnic cause. On the other hand, if JayMan were controlled by his EGI, he probably wouldn’t be an HBDer in the first place, and JayMan is uniquely willing to allow criticism of his own people, unlike a lot of White, Indian, East Asian and Jewish HBDers who suddenly reject HBD theories the second it finds faults in their own people.
2) A more important reason why JayMan rejects EGI might be that he recently became a father. This probably makes JayMan feel like a Darwinian Alpha winner because he has passed on his genes, and this is a great source of personal pride and accomplishment. Now if EGI is real, it means that even some omega loser virgin can be a Darwinian winner by advancing their EGI which diminishes JayMan’s biological accomplishment.
3) As a black HBDer, JayMan may secretly feel guilty, fearing that he is betraying his race, and the notion of EGI may amplify that guilt by suggesting we evolved to be racially loyal. Well JayMan has nothing to feel guilty about regardless of whether EGI is true or false. He should feel proud that he is following truth, logic and empiricism wherever it may lead. People have this strange idea that if something evolved and confers Darwinian fitness, it is somehow virtuous. Nothing could be further from the truth. Rape confers Darwinian fitness, yet is one of the most disgusting acts a man can do. The most intelligent among us resist our primitive Darwinian impulses for nobler more abstract pursuits.
“White, Indian, East Asian and Jewish HBDers ”
lol we have the four kind on the section comment of this blog.
White: JS
Indian: Hitler
East Asian: Panda
Jew: Netanyahou
I am White Hispanic 🙂
You are a woman, so you can’t talk about seriously about something in front of men because at least one of them will imagine having sex with you but since you are not very intelligent it’s alright for you.
” unlike a lot of White, Indian, East Asian and Jewish HBDers who suddenly reject HBD theories the second it finds faults in their own people.”
lol my point wasn’t clear because I haven’t copy the whole interesting part of the sentence.
Some of the most brilliant people i know suddenly become biased irrational idiots the second their own ethnic group is criticized. There’s something about the human mind that prevents most folks from being rational & objective about their own people
People are more intimately acquainted with people like themselves and are impacted by those face-to-face, intimate observations. So, they will not accept generalizations that are in disharmony with their personal observations. The primitive impulse they are acting on is not EGI, it’s just “who have I been around and fit in with” and “what group represents the people I have been around.”
Maybe. I suppose one could test your theory by doing a transracial adoption study.
It might also be that we evolved to prefer people we’ve been around because they have better odds of resembling us genetically
I’ve already said this. The actual behavior would be the above behavior, and the reason such a behavior is evolutionarily plausible is because in the past, one was more likely to spend a lot of time with close relatives.
The same behavior happens with professions and sports teams.
The same behavior happens with professions and sports teams.
But do disputes between occupations & sports fans get as heated as ethnic conflicts?
occupations & sports fans get as heated as ethnic conflicts?
The problem here is that you are equating ethnicity with race. They are different. Ethnicity is the sum of however-many cultural similarities and differences, including race.
So you are asking whether disputes where hundreds of norms are in opposition are more severe than disputes where one norm is in opposition.
The genocides in Africa are ethnic disputes but they are not racial disputes. The tutsi closely resemble the hutu.
The problem here is that you are equating ethnicity with race. They are different. Ethnicity is the sum of however-many cultural similarities and differences, including race.
So you are asking whether disputes where hundreds of norms are in opposition are more severe than disputes where one norm is in opposition.
Well if genetic tribalism evolved, people would need a way of recognizing those who are a genetic out-group . Perhaps having many norms in opposition is one of the mechanisms since cultural similarity & genetic similarity correlate. Perhaps culture/language/religion evolved partly as uniforms we wear to show coethnics we’re on the same genetic team. I could be wrong; just something to consider.
The genocides in Africa are ethnic disputes but they are not racial disputes. The tutsi closely resemble the hutu.
Resemblance is relative. There are genetic differences between them:
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/08/05/are-genetic-differences-at-the-root-of-the-tutsi-hutu-rwandan-conflict/
There are genetic differences between them:
There are “genetic differences” between any two individuals; it doesn’t mean their fights are about those differences, and the fact that closely related groups of individuals — i.e. intraracial — fight with the same ferociousness as distantly-related groups of individuals suggests that race itself isn’t an intrinsically important component or dimension of ethnic conflict.
There are “genetic differences” between any two individuals; it doesn’t mean their fights are about those differences, and the fact that closely related groups of individuals — i.e. intraracial — fight with the same ferociousness as distantly-related groups of individuals suggests that race itself isn’t an intrinsically important component or dimension of ethnic conflict.
But by that logic, shouldn’t you also reject the idea of family genetic interests?
As I’ve said, siblings fight so ferociously we coined the term sibling rivalry & the Bible has a story of fraternicide.
And look at all the women who have abortions? Does the fact that a fetus is most likely to be killed by its own mother suggest mothers don’t have genetic interests in their kids?
In my humble opinion what it suggests is that proximity causes violence. It’s hard to be in a conflict with someone thousands of miles away, so that might be why tribal conflicts often occur between similar tribes: They’re more likely to share the same space & compete for the same resources
So genetic similarity may predict peace but geographic similarity may predict war & since the 2 predictors are positively correlated with each other despite predicting opposite outcomes, they often negate one another
Just speculating
The logic is that if genetic or racial similarity/difference were the main source of animus in ethnic conflict, we wouldn’t expect disputes between similar people to be as severe as they are. Your main point was about the severity of ethnic conflict.
Sibling rivalry is an example of how sensitive these behaviors are to environmental conditions: if your main competitors for resources and mates are your kin, then you don’t get a benefit from helping them.
Humans are smart and trainable. What evolved was an ability to differentiate friend and foe by indexing past behavior to certain traits. This is just pattern recognition.
Humans value those who they see often because that group likely has treated the individual well enough for the individual to continue on in their company. That’s why a country’s leaders should superficially resemble the average citizen’s social group. It’s the same reason that successful sitcoms feature broad archetypes that remind individuals of their own social groups. The Cosby Show’s success with white audiences is an example.
What is the problem kids ?
Daddy’s going to bed so Swanky stop lying and go to bed or I put my big hand on your ass !
Rape confers Darwinian fitness, yet is one of the most disgusting acts a man can do.
More just-so without evidence. Rape does not increase fitness; the costs far outweigh the benefits.
As opposed to just-so with evidence?
A just-so should at least have evidence of plausibility, yes, regardless of whether one can verify it.
Apparently there’s enough evidence to publish a paper
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0162309583900274
JayMan is what one can call negro atleast he knows problems with his race
Huh ?!
Pumpkin, your soul is one of the darkest I have ever seen.
Robots no have soul, 😉 .
Ridiculous
“Robots no have soul, 😉 .”
He isn’t autistic, he have just above average psychopathy level.
I think it helps to be a bit psychopathic to be a good social scientist. Psychopathic enough to accept the facts in an emotionless objective dispassionate way, but not so psychopathic that you distort, manipulate or lie about the facts.
I just took a psychopathy test & here are the results:
The LSRP measures two scales.
Scores range from 1 (low) to 5 (high).
Your score from primary psychopathy has been calculated as 2.8. Primary psychopathy is the affective aspects of psychopathy; a lack of empathy for other people and tolerance for antisocial orientations.
Your score from secondary psychopathy has been calculated as 2.5. Secondary psychopathy is the antisocial aspects of psychopathy; rule breaking and a lack of effort towards socially rewarded behavior.
With two scores, results of the LSRP are very suitable for being plotted. Below is the distribution of how other people who have taken this test have scored.
You score for primary psychopathy was higher than 69.77% of people who have taken this test.
You score for secondary psychopathy was higher than 49.13% of people who have taken this test.
http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php
So i would be a bit psychopathic. Converting psychopathy to an IQ type scale (psychopathy quotient) my PQ would be around 108 on primary psychopathy and around 99 on secondary psychopathy. So overall I’m a bit more psychopathic than average
But the test seems to have been made by Marxists who want to demonize any libertarian type thinking as psychopathic even though Marxist academics are often the real psychopaths parisitically enjoying cushy useless jobs in academia at the expense of tax payers & student tuition money
The dark triad test is more entertaining and invites speculation on professions based on combinations of the three personality traits.
http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3.php
108 on primary psychopathy and around 99 on secondary psychopathy
It’s subjective, you could have cheated, to really determine your psychopathy level, you need to have a brain scan.
Yes, like me.
I have a cognitive dimension of psychopathy, but i’m not a morally (cognitive-interactive) psychopath.
People who understand whole context, big picture, What’s matter, tend to be
criminals
adhds or any other neuroanormativity
addendum to psychopathy spectrum, the animal with really high self awareness, specially the psychopath geniuses, they are very very scary.
truth seekers.
But in the HBD-sphere the darkest soul belong to Gregory Cochran. This guy is what a psychologist would have call a psychopath or a sociopath.
LOLwut? He likes to cut down morons in his comment section (kinda like his protege Razib Khan) but I don’t think that automatically makes him a psychopath.
No of course, I wouldn’t say that if it was only that.
You have many other ways to learn about someone’s personnality than just read his answers to stupid commenters.
And explain why do you don’t comment there?? 😉
Gregory fatran, like most hbdevils, are just someone with a political agenda. Don’t expect real and useful ”idealism” here.
I can think of HBD bloggers with much much much darker souls than his
So most hbds has ” Dark Souls ” … you are agreeing….
Oh sure, you say that the homeless are on the streets because of his low IQ’s.
To comment on extreme personalities or ‘mental illness”, it is certainly one of the toughest people and (pseudo) direct to talk about, completely disregarding the feelings of these people. Not only that, but also spreading incomplete information on the subject. Again, it can be said almost the same thing but with the right words, because no one to blame for absolutely nothing if we are moving towards a more self conscious society, at least in cultural terms.
Jayman accepted with ease that psychopathy is a personality natural variation of the human species, but to accept that homosexuality is also …. the square head of many evolutionary psychologists, just what can be passed directly by inheritance and which supposedly provides a social utility or even evolutionary, which can be considered as natural. What is not natural, it is a medical condition and needs to be eliminated.
The giftedness, creativity, perhaps, all the beneficial features of the human species, are heterozygous versions of extreme versions, when there is a lack of individual phenotypic diversity, causing the imbalance. But for those that are convenient, only what interests them serve, the rest will not do.
I am the dark soul here, but Cochran is eager to have his name stamped among the eminent scientists for his theory, I have spoken here, has not been proven with necessary scientific rigor, was developed based on questionable assumptions, as ” the homosexuals not reproduced so the homosexual can not be a natural phenotype, only pathological ‘, completely ignoring the possibility of indirect transmission, among other important factors of human biology.
Most hbds that are iq-fetishists, believe that IQ is the best and only way to measure intelligence and they are so adamant regarding this subject because it touches directly with their egos.
I have said here 800,000 times that I’m not denying foolishly (the gauche style) that IQ tests do not measure anything at all, but that a full psychological evaluation is necessary, demonstration intelligence or whatever you want to call in life real, because the tests are idealizations of the real world.
I already explained very didactically here about it. A person who scores consistently in the range of 140 MAY be smarter than one that consistently scores in the range of 120 or even 110. The outsiders are more numerous than we think.
I also thought the idea that we all be at different levels and qualities, smart and stupid at the same time. No one, even a polymath will be excellent at all. Always have a subject or cognitive nuance, which will be its Achilles heel. The difference is that in some people, weakness will be more evident than in others. So even if you consider with super intelligent, their opinions may not be totally correct.
Psychologists and psychiatrists have given little importance to the role of wisdom, which I believe is a very important cognitive profile. Unfortunately, many well-meaning people, have given zero contribution or even worsened this situation by giving a mystical character wisdom, even through some perspective, this can be valid.
In short, hbd believes the world is perfect, which ruins are poor people. Even the rich, the main responsible for our problems and the dictatorship of political correctness, are treated as special beings by hbds and especially for you, Pumpkin.
Education is perfect because ” I took the high notes. ”
The world is almost perfect because ” I am socially successful, I do not blame other people are not ” … but they also are not to blame. Only the evil genius or stupid technically intelligent and well-intentioned who to blame, but the second is still quite ignorant about it.
Finally, there are so many important issues that should be being considered with greater parsimony or with accepting a bunch of different and important perspectives …
What differentiates us from other animals is precisely the possibility to react to a reaction without being based on instinctive violence that prevails in non-human animal kingdom. And this is called cognitive empathy, which is not something mystical and untouchable, is real and has real positive results when properly accessed.
Another text praising some blogger hbd … Again, maybe I’m actually being very hard with you, but as I said before, you guys are smart enough to adhere to the information that most closely match the reality, the truth. Yet, many continue to propose maintaining a really unequal system and I do not need to invent that races do not exist or that there are no relevant differences between them to say that.
I do not fall in the dualistic spell of pseudo-logic of the political spectrum ” modern ”, because this is quite incongruous and contradictory.
I was talking about serious HBD bloggers of course.
I was talking about serious HBD bloggers of course
So was I
“I can think of HBD bloggers with much much much darker souls than his”
So give me an exemple ?
I’m not denying foolishly (the gauche style) that IQ tests do not measure anything at all,
But no one does this.
I also thought the idea that we all be at different levels and qualities, smart and stupid at the same time.
I have said this several times, regarding cognitive profiles.
In short, hbd believes the world is perfect,
I’ve said this too, about the just world.
You’re probably going to deny it, but it seems like your viewpoints have changed over time.
Oh, Pumpkin. You devious boy, you! 🙂 Start a post about Jayman positively, then pull a switch-a-roo at the end and start talking about EGI. You don’t really care if EGI is real or not, you just like starting debate to draw in traffic (and hopefully the famous Jayman himself will drop by, right?)
Considering I figured this out, can you estimate my social IQ? 🙂
I am not Pumpkin as you can see but I think it is probably around 198.
Assuming your IQ is 120 and that you are 80% chocolate.
Then why did my girlfriend dump me last week?
She wanted to date a man her own race. Ethnic genetic interests.
You’re half-right. I was largely motivated by traffic but i also think ethnic genetic interests are a paradigm shifting idea that deserves more investigation so i would say your social IQ is moderately high & enhanced by the fact that you’r e black
As I’ve previously argued, after controlling for g, blacks probably have higher social IQ than whites who have higher social IQ than East Asians because blacks evolved to get mates (sexual selection; r genotype ) while whites & East Asians evolved to survive (natural selection; K genotype)
EGI = extended family interests squared:)
i have not seen this phenomenon studied by age:
how folks respond to infants of different groups — it seems no matter the ethnic group, we say “aww” & smile & feel protective of any young child — no matter our ethnic group or theirs — but once this hypothetical generic ethnic kid gets above a certain age – then we might be suspicious, etc. but this “aww”/protective factor seems quite universal for young children. i may be wrong, but i have not seen this studied – wonder what William Hamilton would say!
I’m speculating obviously but because babies are not threatening, we did not evolve a fear of other race babies, but adults & teenagers of other tribes were more of a threat to our ancestral tribes
Many whites who do not hate every day blacks will hate rich and powerful blacks & they will tell themselves they’re not racist because their best friend is black. Well their best friend has no power so they don’t view him as an threat
Here’s a paper on EGI
gayman is mathematically and conceptually retarded.
He’s smarter than you, buddy.
I find his blog to be a repository of random information from other writers. It’s not very original.
”lion” of blogosphere = jayman pet-fan, gruppy!
What make you think that my friend ? and why gayman ?
pp’s recent post on the jews shows she may be educable. (LOTB deletes all comments which might conceivably be critical of the jews. his commentariat is just white trash morons. and lion enjoys looking down on them…stoking nazi sympathy.)
but she’s likely confused the truth with whatever helps one get rich….she’s confused understanding of the prevailing system with rank in the prevailing system.
knowing the truth can actually make it much more difficult to get rich…or achieve any rank within a false system.
is the pope catholic?
if he weren’t, he’d never have become pope very likely.
if you were a priest and had doubts and had a conscience…you’d never become pope.
every system, ceteris paribus, promotes those who MOST believe in it.
in this sense every system is conservative…very conservative.
those at the top of the prevailing system are EXACTLY the ones who are LEAST likely to change it.
but pp, prole that she is, has bought into the meritocracy bullshit.
she’s been SOLD…but doesn’t know it.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
don’t wake the baby.
the baby thinks that her society is unlike all other human societies present and past where merit is determined by and is particulat to the particular society.
but pp, prole that she is, has bought into the meritocracy bullshit.
I think capitalism is a metaphor for Darwinism in the sense that the smartest, toughest, most energetic, best looking, most ethnocentric & most evil get ahead, but it’s not a meritocracy because it doesn’t really reward the most useful
But if classical natural selection were still operating, i believe it would favour the rich or favour those with the ability to be rich
but good for pp and hear! hear! that she understands…
that…
political pov is NOT independent of ethnicity.
jews are the MOST ETHNOCENTRIC of any group BY FAR, yet LOTB (a jew) claims they are the least.
and second to jews are Asians, NE and S.
ethnocentrism is OBVIOUS…to me.
europeans in america have the LUXURY of not being AS ethnocentric and so THEY are least likely to be such.
BUT they are STILL ethnocentric.
america is cancer. best would be to nuke it. chemo and radiation, but it still grows. is vs ought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
neo-con:
a jew who recognizes that jews have taken over america and that therefore america is good for the jews and its power and influence should be magnified.
it would be funny if it weren’t so obvious and tragic.
First Robert Gabriel Mugabe, then Jorge Videla, then First Ypres…now St. Bruno?
IQ test question:
what do all these have in common?
the prevailing ideology and mass media present an EITHER/OR.
their’s is a FALSE dichotomy.
that is,
there IS an either/or…it’s just not the one presented by mass media.
or rather not the one presenetd by american mass media.
russian, chinese, and arabic mass media may correct jewish or “guilty about killing all those jews” media. but not enough. they have thier own interests.
more gin!
Judah-Sphere, you knew it was Mugabe. More evidence of your high social IQ. 🙂
“Judah-Sphere, you knew it was Mugabe. More evidence of your high social IQ.”
It was obvious that it was him.
nothing to do with social intelligence fucktard.
i always post with a picture and an interesting name…unlike all your other commenters.
and i never use caps except for emphasis.
and i use a lot of space.
a computer could recognize me.
nothing to do with social intelligence fucktarded fucktard.
i always post with a picture and an interesting name…unlike all your other commenters.
and i never use caps except for emphasis.
and i use a lot of space.
a computer could recognize me.
i always post with a picture and an interesting name…unlike all your other commenters.
Yes, but the content of your commenters is the less interesting of all.
nothing to do with social intelligence fucktarded fucktard.
a computer could recognize me.
True.
comments not commenters.
America is a great country! They elected the brilliant Obama who tries hard to oppose the neocons.
Many Jews are wonderful people. You shouldn’t hate all Jews just because a tiny percentage are neocons. That’s like hating all Arabs because a tiny percentage are terrorists
And neocons are not expanding America’s influence, they are squandering America’s capital to advance their own ethnic genetic interests in the Middle East.
Pumpkin,
i no have doubt that you eat poo.
”America is a great country! They elected the brilliant Obama who tries hard to oppose the neocons.”
Bobama et neocons are in the same team, please!
Rossya, Kanata and Chingland are greater than Murrica.
In INTELECTUAL terms, even little and cold Sweden already developed beautiful legacy with mister Bergman. Look at for Iranian movies… much better than ultratrillionaire jewllyweird.
I’m brazilian and i see enormous similarities between Murrica and Brownzil. Same shit, prole retard extravertet masses. Same materialistic retard pp. Same enormous human low quality cattle.
For your BROTHER Obamba to be treated as brilliant, he would need kick the kikes out of White house first, stoping the cretin primitive wars. The ”strategic” ability of Cochabamba is not based on to do the real good, improve quality of life, reduce conflicts, same retard than most murricans, most ”americans” in americas. Poor indian natives.
”Amerrica” is a great shit.
I start to believe that you are a half troll or a useful idiot in hb-d-sphere because if not, you are just a guy with above technical intelligence and anti-social personality traits, hidden in a perfect insanity mask as the ”normal gifted one”.
You never call people by they real names, right ?
Yes, America is a sewage dump. Also ugly, if you have not noticed. It’s on the level of a 3rd world nation. America is just more expensive than most.
Retards, intellectually inferior, prole and materialistic oriented. Not much to say anything good about it.
America is still the world’s greatest country, its shitty pattern of urban development, criminal-prone NAMs, prole pop culture, and Zionist/neocon foreign policy notwithstanding
“America is a great country! They elected the brilliant Obama who tries hard to oppose the neocons.”
Are you serious?
And jews are extremely ethnocentric SPECIALLY because their unusual and high cognitive profile. The higher the intelligence, higher the range.
”Many Jews are wonderful people. You shouldn’t hate all Jews just because a tiny percentage are neocons. That’s like hating all Arabs because a tiny percentage are terrorists.
And neocons are not expanding America’s influence, they are squandering America’s capital to advance their own ethnic genetic interests in the Middle East.”
We go hate 20% them* 70% of american jews who define themselves as liberals** Or ”8%” them who define as neocon** What is the percentage of ”jews” who are not extremely hypocrite** Give demographic-psychologic stats to not commit injustice with virtuous minority, but i have little impression that most of virtuous jews are exactly like the useful idiot of the left, the real naive leftoid.
If they are a psychopatic tribe then many them are not wonderfull in a positive view like you are saying.
As well Panda boy here is a strong sinophile, a supremacist chinese, you and many, if not most of hbd-ears have quasi-zero or near to nero real and necessary criticism against ”jews”, as collectivity. A hebrewphilia.
I think ”Bruno-Mugabe”, when say about jews is talking exactly about the ”collectivity”.
When the matter ”jews” appear here, logic ”debate” disappear.
Swanky,
it is manipulation of ”symbols” or language. And as my memory don’t fail i know who you also are good to do the same.
Chinese cannot be supremacist, because they have not demonstrated any superiority. The title belongs to the Japanese, but they do not care.
I really hate ”some” inbreed-dogmatic-tribalist. They kill logic, rationality, diplomacy to fit reality with their point of views.
because they have not demonstrated any superiority
It’s a joke right ?
And as my memory don’t fail i know who you also are good to do the same.
?
What is the surprise??
I don’t know what you mean.
Culo, your gravatar look like Israël’s flag,
Robert Gabriel Mugabe/Jorge Videla/First Ypres/St Bruno:
What do you think of the gold standard? Will we ever return to one? Do only the low IQ want a gold standard?
What is a gold standard ?
Mugabe never answered question here, why not?
Mugabe is now another hero of mine.
Well, maybe he won’t be if he doesn’t answer my question.
”Culo, your gravatar look like Israël’s flag.”
Teu cu.
Congrats again to Jayman for hooking up with Ron Unz 🙂
To this day (or at least up to a couple of days ago) Jayman continues to adamantly deny the existence of ethnic genetic interests. Has he ever replied to your arguments (and those of Hamilton)?
I’d be interested in his reply, or in why he doesn’t feel the need to justify his position against your attack. But my hunch is that your #3 fits. He would be likely to take a position obverse to ethnic genetic interests because it would seem to confirm the criticisms (by blacks) that he is a race traitor. This is a very self-indulgent attitude for a self-styled seeker of truth.
In other words, why doesn’t he stand up like a man and *argue* against you rather than just repeating his tired disavowals?
The concept of ethnic genetic interests has the potential for linking clannishness to racism and nationalism. Punch-pullers like Peter Frost deny the link. Jayman, because he won’t recognize ethnic genetic interests, can only come up with convoluted explanations.
I’ve come to realize that if you read his words closely, he doesn’t deny ethnic genetic interests, he only denies that they could be directly selected for.
But as commenter Swank first argued, ethnic tribalism may have evolved as an accidental consequence of close kin selection, rather than as something that was directly selected in its own right
I expanded on how ethnic genetic interests could have evolved via close kin selection here:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/08/04/ethnic-genetic-interests-a-simplified-version/
’cause he’s a mixed jay married with a ”white” (or) woman.
EVERY scientific point of view have a PERSONAL point of view.
JayMan is refuted on this matter.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/16/ethnic-genetic-interests-and-group-selection-does-exist-a-reply-to-jayman-2/