Both are examples of low IQ groups that seem like they have high IQs because we only see the smart ones. Largely the best and brightest Indians (like Deepak Choprah) come to the United States, so Indian Americans tower with an average IQ of 110 (Ashkenazi Jewish level!), even though the IQ of India is only 82 (about 92 if they improved nutrition).
Similarly only the best and brightest gays (like Santoculto and Misdreavus!) come out of the closet, so openly gay people have above average IQs, even though the average IQ of all gays is likely well below that of straights.
In fact there have been studies using phallometric measurements that find the more attracted a man is to his own sex, the lower his IQ. There are three possible reasons I can think of us for the low IQ of gays:
1) whatever prenatal events alter the sexuality of the developing fetus brain, also alter its IQ
2) gayness is linked to high fraternal birth order, and high birth order is linked to lower IQ
3) In my groundbreaking theory (which other people on the internet are stealing from me) gay genes spread by causing conservatism, and since conservatism often requires lower IQ, gay genes may require low IQ genes to spread.
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I don’t know gay people have” ( or better, score) on average very lower iq than straights. Again, is not just iq. I thought recently about possibility that ”pathogen” gay or co-evolved microorganisms possibly-to-remotely responsible to same sex attraction can cause higher psychological ( and mental) energy as well the obvious sexual same-sex impulsivity ( or both are causal one each other).
Average can be just equally important than statistical distribution, sometimes. For example, liberals may hav..score higher than conservatives OR the average of liberals can be just a statistical product if white american liberals are distributed in U-shape iq scores. The real averages for him will be above 120 and less than 90 and not 105. Like average, 130+80 %2=105.
Same could happen with homossexuals if homossexuality, liberalism, outsiderness ( free thinkers and actors), atheism, autism, left handedness, giftedness and other extreme personalities are all correlationed. And explain most of jewish predispositions. All of this traits are caused by epigenetic ”randomness” ( or non-selected or non-self-selected diversity) of human biology. It explain part the diversity of human types, the contextual weirdo ones.
I’m the third among 3 brothers and possibly score lower in non-verbal iq than both. 😉 ( engineer-type father and verbally gifted mom).
To be the first and the last son also correlates with autism and some or many autistics whic have degrees of savant-like-ish ability (myself) and non- physical or sensorial impairment ( again) generally will be very specialized-smart and not just or fundamentally like cold calculator stereotype… And iq is not good to access their abilities.
My other anedoctal observations about homos and intelligence. Astor, the brazilian guy, my ex internet friend, who comment here one time, is gay. I know three gay university teacher, a engineer, a lawyer and a humanity teacher. Effeminate gays act like women to think in cognitive terms too. I read effeminates ( XXY ‘syndrome’) tend to score lower than ‘normal’ masculine gays or at least those who have body hair abundance.
Gays seems on average have very good humor sense, a weak but consistent proxy for intelligence.
Openly ( i’m not openly, many gays are scary) gays may can be more inconformist but i think
In a socially ‘accept” context
And
Based on degree of impulsivity
‘Smartest’ gays can be likely to open, out of ”closet’, than others like many homoaversives, who seems to be very ignorant, on average.
Combo Higher testosterone + co-evolved microorganisms ( pathogens aren’t exactly parasites, our body react against invasion and produce strategies to eliminate it as fever and sexual attraction, even heterossexual, if sexuality diversity to be a continuum) can create a profile of some smart gay subgroups.
Conservatism is a quasi-natural mammalian ”strategy” to sustain human demography. Most liberals are son of conservative couples because conservatives are the ‘nucleous’ ( this word exist in english???) of demographic reposition, the conservative stability.
Deepak Chopra is smart?
As far as con-men go, yes.
Let’s be conservative and suppose that India’s genetic IQ is likely in the 90-95 range. Malnutrition in India is on par with Subsaharan Africa. We know American blacks score >15 points higher than African Americans despite having only 20 % white admixture on average.
Low 90s is not really that low by global standards.
Consider some European nations (Lynn’s data)
Portugal – 95
Russia – 97
Greece – 92
Romania- 94
Serbia- 89!!
France – 98
Ukraine – 97
Bulgaria – 93
Bosnia and Herzegovina- 90
Guyana – 87
Guyana is split between East Indians and Africans. It’s a third world country. If Blacks there have an average IQ of 75-80(which seems reasonable) , then Indian IQ should be in the 90s range. And keep in mind that Indians who ended up there are from the peasant/labour class. Most of them are lower castes and from the poorest states in India (UP/Bihar). Bihar is especially bad even by Indian standards and has horrible malnutrition and poverty.
The bottom line is that India’s IQ, in a relative sense, is really not as low as one would think
Indian’s have low genetic IQs by Western standard, but not by global standards
According to Lynn, Mauritius has an average IQ of 89. Mauritius is 68 % Indian and 25 % African/Creole.
Mauritius has better nutrition than India but it’s far from being a developed county.
If Africans in Mauritius have an IQ of 80 (reasonable estimate), Indian IQ should be in the 90s range.
Again, Indians in Mauritius come from India’s poorest states (UP/Bihar) and are predominantly low caste.
Poor generally is not same than dumb. Mauritius was a european colony and this workers could be selected. I read indians workers were used to substitute slaverized african blacks in the Caribbean colonies.
Yes, and the Indian workers eventually came into a big conflict with the black “natives”. Same thing with Chinese in Jamaica. blacks should be segregated from everyone else who are higher IQ and more capable of civilization. A black guy from Barbados once told me that blacks are overall useless. He said it, not me, they cannot run a functioning society of any scale, and always need outside intervention.
They were not selected for IQ. Most are of them are low caste untouchables/peasants. If they were selected for IQ, you’d see a lot more Brahmins among them which you don’t. Labourers aren’t selected for IQ.
Interestingly, Indians who migrated to UK weren’t self-selected the way Indian immigrants to the US were. Most in UK are from backward and middle castes.We see that they on tests they don’t do any worse than white British.
http://akarlin.com/2012/08/minorities-cognitive-performance-in-the-uk/
They were not selected for IQ. Most are of them are low caste untouchables/peasants. If they were selected for IQ, you’d see a lot more Brahmins among them which you don’t. Labourers aren’t selected for IQ.
That’s a good way to calculate how much selection there is. If the UK Indians have a higher percentage of Brahmins than India, then you know there’s been selection for IQ, since selecting for IQ would indirectly select for Brahmins.
Doing a few shows in local theater will disabuse anyone of the notion that all gays are brilliant stylists and eloquent speakers.
There are millions of dumb gays and millions of dumb Indians, we just don’t see them because the dumb gays are in the closet and the dumb Indians are in India.
To a lesser extent something similar happens with Ashkenazi Jews. The dumber ones are in Israel (or in Staten Island). LOL! No offense to LOTB who is super smart.
I think a study on Indo-Canadians, particularly Canadian Sikhs, could be particularly illuminating. We know that most Sikhs in Canada came as refugees. Most of them are of the Jatt caste. This is a backward caste (Shudra) though they are not untouchables. Today we see that many of their children are doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, etc.. However, many are also blue collar workers, as mechanics, truck drivers, etc.. They are noticeably less bright than Indian-Americans are roughly on par with Indians in UK. If I had to guesstimate, their average IQ is around 95.
Literally speaking, indians workers wasn’t selected BY IQ, but in pelourinhos, slaverized blacks was selected by health and intelligence correlates with health, the better teeths, on average of course. I think no make sense that no had any criteria to this indians be selected. Stay in mind that ontouchables should be score lower ( expected) in India than in Mauritius. Very lower cognitive groups obviously will have their smart minority, look for roma gypsies. Well, is just a thought.
Where is the evidence of gays being dumber on average? The research from Satoshi Kanazawa and several others suggest it’s the opposite.