Harvard is the most prestigious university in the World with an average SAT score in the stratosphere, thus it’s interesting to ask how Harvard students perform on an official IQ test. The best data on the subject was obtained by Harvard scholar Shelley H Carson and her colleagues who had an abbreviated version of the WAIS-R given to 86 “Harvard undergraduates (33 men, 53 women), with a mean age of 20.7 years (SD 3.3)… All were recruited from sign-up sheets posted on campus. Participants were paid an hourly rate…The mean IQ of the sample was 128.1 points (SD 10.3), with a range of 97 to 148 points.”
It should be noted however that the WAIS-R was published in 1981, and that the norms were collected from 1976 to 1980. Carson’s study was published in 2003, so presumably the test norms were 25 years old.
James Flynn cites data showing that from WAIS-R norms (circa 1978) to WAIS-IV norms (circa 2006) the vocabulary and spatial construction subtest (used in the abbreviated WAIS-R) increased by 0.53 SD and 0.33 SD respectively. These gains would result in the composite score of the abbreviated WAIS-R becoming obsolete at a rate of 0.26 IQ points per year, meaning the Harvard students’ scores circa 2003 were 6.5 points too high. This reduces the mean IQ of the sample to 121.6.
However it should be noted that the abbreviated version of the WAIS-R correlates 0.91 with the full version of the WAIS-R which is obviously more reliable. Correcting for the extra unreliability of such a short version increases the IQs of Harvard students from 121.6 to [(121.6 – 100)/0.91] + 100 = 123.7.
However because even back when the WAIS-R was normed circa 1978, America was substantially non-white (though not as non-white as today), the scores differ from IQs normed exclusively on whites. Because the technical IQ literature now defines 100 and 15 as the mean and standard deviation of British & American whites, and not the mean and SD of Americans as a whole, it’s necessary to correct the WAIS-R norms for non-white inclusion.
On a scale where all Americans in 1978 averaged 100 (SD = 15), whites would have averaged 102 (SD = 14.5) so converting WAIS-R norms to a scale where the white mean is set at 100 (SD = 15) results in the Harvard mean going from 123.7 to [(123.7 – 102)/14.5](15) + 100 = 122 and the Harvard SD going from 10.3 to 10.7.
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122 sounds too low. In fact, 128 seems too low also but I couldn’t tell you exactly why.
If this video is any indication, 122 might be too high:
That’s kinda scary. But if you try hard enough you can find dumbasses even on the most prestigious campus (supposedly) in the United States. I don’t think those students represent the average or above average Harvard student.
The reason 122 seems too low is because you even said yourself in one of your posts that the average 4-year college graduate has an IQ of about 113. So the average Harvard student is only marginally more intelligent than your average Bachelor’s holder? Weird…
What do you imagine the average intelligence at more STEM oriented schools like CalTech or MIT to be?
And of course that question seems easy to me since I live in Canada, but perhaps knowing our capital is very difficult when you’re raised in America.
According to the WAIS-III statistics taken in 1995, 112.8 is the average IQ (general ability index)of all U.S. college grads, but of course the WAIS-III was normed so that the entire normal U.S. population has a mean of 100 and an SD of 15, thus on the WAIS-III, Caucasians had a mean IQ of 102.1 (SD = 14.6)
Converting to the scale where the white mean is 100 (SD = 15) reduces the mean of all U.S. college grads to 111, a full 11 points below Harvard students on the same scale.
Also keep in mind that we’re comparing the average U.S. college GRAD to the average Harvard undergrad
The average U.S. college undergrad would score around 105 (a full 17 points below the average Harvard undergrad)
Hard to say what the average IQ at MIT and Caltech is. They have similar SAT scores to Harvard so you would expect their IQ scores to also regress to a mean in the 120s…on the other hand I’ve seen research suggesting STEM students average about 10 IQ points higher than non-STEM students, but I don’t know how well that maps to elite schools.
I suspect the real difference in IQ between Harvard and MIT/Caltech might manifest among graduates, not undergrads. At Harvard the IQ of undergads would be similar to the IQ of Harvard grads because the graduation rate is so high. But at Caltech many of the dumbest dropout, leaving mostly the best and brightest as the graduates.
they way those videos work is they ask lots of people and string together the incorrect replies, ignoring the correct ones
I don’t know how this video indicates anything at all about intelligence. To believe such actually indicates that person’s intelligence.
Why would any American know the capital of Canada? It’s not like that type of information ever comes up in a news article that Americans would read. And, if it did, it doesn’t come up with that amount of frequency that anyone would remember it.
There are also many other problems with the methodology and critical reasoning here which I am surprised nobody mentioned.
For example, as one poster suggested, it’s extremely likely that the people interviewed in the video are not a random sample pool. Videos like this are usually cut and pasted with the best examples that support a sensationalized narrative.
Or, another example is how people put some meaning on an IQ score as if there is some relativity to the score. Just because you score 130, it doesn’t mean you’re 30% smarter than someone with an IQ score of 100. It may indicate you are in a certain percentile but just because you are in the top 1% in IQ, the fact alone doesn’t indicate that there is a substantial intelligence difference.
And, the way that people here predict IQ scores is ridiculous. The use of correlation without mentioning deviation. The specious reasoning…
I would have thought that 122 or even 128 was too high too but then I found out that Field Medalist Richard Borcherds was tested using Wais and his IQ(FSIQ) was 137.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Borcherds
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/246396050_A_Mathematician_a_Physicist_and_a_Computer_Scientist_with_Asperger_Syndrome_Performance_on_Folk_Psychology_and_Folk_Physics_Tests
137 is a high score but I would have though lower(and maybe much lower) for a fields medalist and especially one like Richard Borcherds
I would be amazed if MIT and especially CalTech had average IQs below 130. Given that both schools’ undergraduate STEM programs are harder than most STEM grad programs, and Steve Hsu’s estimate that IQs lower than 115 will likely not survive in said STEM grad programs (granted, these IQs were extrapolated from SAT-Math, which we’ve proven is a very fuzzy process), I would guess the average IQ at MIT is 135 and at CalTech even higher.
Back in 1971 an article called “comprehension subtest of the wais and need for approval” tested 39 undergraduates from MIT and their WAIS VIQ = 135.03. Here’s the link…
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/pdf/10.2466/pr0.1971.28.2.482
Andrew, thanks for the link!
Very rare to find data on elite university students taking an official IQ test.
In 1974 Arch Gen Psychiatry/ Vol 31, Nov 1974 Culver & King show results of 2 studies done in ’71 and ’72 with three subgroups of 14 Dartmouth seniors each The study was comparing neuropsychological test performance of controls, LSD users, and Pot smokers.
Study 1 and Study 2 subgroup test means ranged:
SAT-V = 638 – 662 WAIS VIQ = 128.1 – 132.6
SAT-M = 697-714 WAIS PIQ = 116.8 – 126.9
WAIS FSIQ = 125.6 – 131.9
Read fulltext:
http://www.lycaeum.org/research/researchpdfs/2532.pdf
Great research. I’m now getting a more complete picture of the IQs of elite university students, thanks to you. But keep in mind these studies were done before people knew about the Flynn effect, and thus the scores are inflated by the use of outdated norms.
All were recruited from sign-up sheets posted on campus.
Sounds like a convenience sample, anyway.
The following link notes LSAT average by undergraduate school. I do not know the source, but there is reason to believe the numbers are correct. For example, I took the LSAT and my undergraduate LSAT score matches that of the score in this link (when you take the test, the provide the mean of your institution.)
Harvard scores the highest, with a mean LSAT of 166. This is the 93.2%. If we assume that 2/3 people would be weeded out before graduating college, the average IQ at Harvard would be approximately 130-133 ranger.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1190895-mean-lsat-score-by-undergraduate-college.html
I’m not sure if Harvard undergraduates who take the LSAT are representative of Harvard undergraduates generally.
We’ve discussed both of these data points on the blog before.
Spot on … completely different subset.
Yes, I made an LSAT-IQ conversion:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/01/11/lsat-iq-conversion/
Harvard students do score higher than IQ 122 on the LSAT but the LSAT is not an official IQ test & thus might not mean much
We have a commenter here who says the LSAT is very coachable. Of course elite law schools & the companies who sell the tests have a vested interest in denying that & coaching companies have a vested interest in exaggerating that
it would seem coachable given the subject matter
I’ve always felt the logic games were coachable, the other two sections (arguments and reading comprehension), not so much.
What is the obsession with IQ tests? I understand the obsession with g, and with aptitude, but IQ tests are only one measure. If i knew someone scored on the 99% on an IQ test and on the 99% on the SAT, I would be more impressed then just the IQ test. It’s not clear to me which tests are in fact better at judging aptitude, and from personal experience, the LSAT is by far the best predictor of job performance (any job). You can in fact use the covariance matrix, and a weighting on the skillfullness of each test, to get a predictor of a persons underlying skill.
By any indication the LSAT is more of an IQ test than the current SAT.
Many HBDers tend to view non-verbal ‘IQ’ as ‘the real deal,’ and so will take any opportunity to denigrate (unconsciously or no) verbal IQ, even though verbal IQ is more the real deal when it comes to predicting success.
The obsession is because people have long argued that the overwhelming reason why smart people are successful in America is because colleges select high IQ students & then companies select graduates of the best colleges.
However if students from the best colleges are not especially gifted in g, then this argument is undermined
Also, it makes no sense to judge the g of Harvard or Harvard law by SATs/LSATs because said students were largely selected by such tests, & any time a test is used to select people, you get a selection bias effect…very few people seem to realize this.
Obviously regression to the mean happens, but measuring regression from one g-test to another, and assuming one of them is the gold standard is silly, as it will cause underestimation in ability, exactly the opposite problem to the regression to the mean from selection bias that you are trying to avoid.
Gs, you’re absolutely right that the WAIS underestimates Harvard’s IQ, but IQ tests always underestimate the g of high achieving groups, unless said IQ test was used to select those achievers in the first place, in which case it overestimates.
For example if I gave the WAIS to World chess champions and they averaged IQ 135, this would be an underestimate of their true level of g because the average IQ 135 does not become a World chess champion, so their chess ratings are capturing something independent about their g that IQ tests are missing. But does that mean I then use their chess ratings to estimate their IQs? The problem with doing that is it’s circular: chess skill proves chess champions are smart…a hypothesis the data was supposed to test, not rest upon.
So for the same reason we should not use SAT scores to measure the IQ of Harvard…and even if SATs were the gold standard of IQ testing, they still should not be used to assess Harvard ability because the fact that Harvard students are largely selected by SATs means statistically, a lot of them scored higher on the SAT than any other test they ever took.
We only know their average SAT score precisely because they did well, thus the SAT is not a random snap shot of their ability, it’s systematically biased in their favor because you’re deciding post-hoc to measure their IQ by a test you already know they did well on (by definition; they’re Harvard students), To test a hypothesis, we can’t look retrospectively, we must make predictions. Thus a new test is required.
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Dear pumpkinperson. I would be very much obliged if you could provide me with a citation for your 112.8 number:
“According to the WAIS-III statistics taken in 1995, 112.8 is the average IQ (general ability index)of all U.S. college grads, ”
I can’t find recent data on average college graduate IQs anywhere.
Thanks,
-C
See Table II
http://www3.telus.net/Todd_S_Woodward/pdfs/Development-of-demographic-norms.pdf
Ah-ha! Thank you!
With the jargon that I got from that link I spent a bunch more time looking for similar statistics for WAIS-IV, and I think I may have found them on this page:
https://books.google.com/books?id=lszPs4JXxBYC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=wais+iv+mean+fsiq+by+education+level&source=bl&ots=_R679-0scw&sig=6Z433GUk3wCsuCIwADeFgn5TGxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8ldTnm6HKAhVB8mMKHZNnA1gQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=wais%20iv%20mean%20fsiq%20by%20education%20level&f=false
According to table 4.1 on page 104, the average college graduate from the WAIS-IV norming period, roughly 10 years after that of the WAIS III, is 110.77
I imagine that the ongoing decrease is due mostly due to the Flynn effect? It sure will be interesting to see whether the Flynn effect will continue in the future.
Something else to consider for this blog post is that Harvard has become much more competitive since 2003, when the average sat score was about the 95th percentile, whereas now it’s the 99th percentile.
The 95th percentile is about right for an IQ of 122. A 99th percentile IQ is about 135.
You can ignore that bit about the SAT scores. I read the bit you wrote about selection bias. That’s very interesting.
However, the fact that SAT and IQ percentiles previously matched up suggests that the selection bias is not that high (though it may be more extreme at higher IQs) so I think it’s safe to say that the average Harvard IQ is probably well above 122 today.
Something else to consider for this blog post is that Harvard has become much more competitive since 2003, when the average sat score was about the 95th percentile, whereas now it’s the 99th percentile.
The 95th percentile is about right for an IQ of 122. A 99th percentile IQ is about 135.
That sounds impossible. Maybe you’re thinking 95 percentile of the college bound population, not the general U.S. population. And even that sounds too low. Harvard has been extremely selective since the 1960s or earlier.
According to table 4.1 on page 104, the average college graduate from the WAIS-IV norming period, roughly 10 years after that of the WAIS III, is 110.77
Excellent discovery! I’ve been waiting for quality data to show the average IQ of college grads is falling. It didn’t make sense to me for the average IQ to still be nearly 115 when the number of college grads has been increasing and the correlation between IQ and education has been falling.
Yes you are correct: the statistic was for all harvard applicants, not accepted students. My mistake. I’ll report back when I find the true number in 2003 era.
It seems like Harvard was tight-lipped about its scores back then. But look what I found for Yale:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiE86PX-arKAhUUTGMKHdxMCWIQFggjMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Foir.yale.edu%2Fnode%2F56%2Fattachment&usg=AFQjCNFxSLG8–FtHRD6DBm25N-LpTxi2g&sig2=6dkOrHSWC7kDpKQclWvFOQ&bvm=bv.112064104,d.cGc
The average SAT score of EVERY class from 1976 to 2015!
And it seems you are mostly correct in that the overall SAT scores haven’t increased by much since 2003.
I think that this is misleading because it seems to me there is a ceiling effect. Look at the scores for the 10th and 25th percentiles column. They have increased substantially, while the median has stayed the same. This means that the range has decreased, and also the mean has probably increased.
If you take the average of all the verbal data points from 2003 and 2015 (is this mathematical sacrilege?) you get 732 and 746 respectively, which is over a percentage point increased, and considering the ceiling affects it probably represents a few IQ points.
I went to Penn State and I just got accepted to Mensa!! Hahahhahahahahah!!
the brooklyn bridge walk in the rain is one of the great pictures. but i like this one better: http://41.media.tumblr.com/60462726d2024feff3b47d8286eb10b1/tumblr_mf5m2cpzmP1qcqto9o1_r1_1280.jpg
Universities are ranked almost entirely on research output. A very small percentage of Harvard science and engineering academics and postgraduates were undergraduate students at Harvard. In other words Harvard’s prestige is almost entirely due to people who did not attend Harvard.
Obama’s daughter got accepted to Harvard. I assume her IQ, is lower than that of an engineering student, at a less prestigious vocational school.
Well, if Obama has an IQ of 132 (the lowest), and the spousal correlation regresses to Obama’s mulatto mean of 90,
then 132- (0.60(132-90))=106.8
his an Michelle’s average is 119.4, now when that regresses to the 5/8 Black, 3/8 European median/mean, at the 0.75 correlation I found on the web, we get 119.4-7.975= 111.425
the average vocational student, is the equivalent of the “some college” folks, so they, on average are at the 29th percentile in academic accomplishment, and hence have a z-score of -0.40, now multiply that by the academic achievement correlation of 0.65, you get -0.26 SDs, or an IQ IQ of about 96, and one could then add about 18 points, as an Engineering student, you get 114, however, that is on American Norms, and the Obama’s IQ is one White Norms, so one could crudely subtracted 5 points
114-5= 109.
So Obama’s daughter’s IQ is probably slightly higher than the average vocational Engineering student, or rather, basically about the same, but not lower.
But Obama’s IQ is probably 140, not 130, and I highly doubt Michelle Obama’s IQ i as low as 107, as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States
http://www.randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
https://www.google.com/search?q=iq+by+college+major&biw=1920&bih=971&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjihK7vru7MAhUBVT4KHfU3AS4Q_AUIBigA&dpr=1#q=spousal+IQ+correlation+0.40
So, see the fourth link down on that last one.
And what about Dante de Blasio, the son of NYC’s mayor Bill de Blasio? He should be smarter, because he is a real mulatto. He will be going to Yale. But he doesn’t strike me as intelligent as the Obamas.
Using Z-scores, and my references here (I can’t find the sources now, the “Hispanic” classifications, because of the lack of “Amerind” classifications, don’t give enough info to actually determine make-up);
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/05/08/donald-trump-the-concept-of-social-intelligence/
Shows the demographics of New York are,
33% non-Hispanic White
29% Hispanic
15% non-Hispanic Asian
23% non-Hispanic Black
crudely converting to White norms
so… N.Y.’s average IQ is 0.33(100)+0.29(86)+0.15(102)+0.23(82)= an IQ of 92.1 on White norms
N.Y. has about 20.7 million people, and deBlasio is the most influential, so, (5.333×0.4)=2.13333333 SDs above the New York mean, so, 92.1+2.13333(15)=
124.1 or an IQ of 124.
He’s White, and once again with the 0.40 spousal correlation
124- (0.6(124-100))= 124-14.4= 109.6 IQ
with his wife’s IQ, we see a mean IQ of 116.8, and the son’s IQ would, theoretically regress to the true mulattoe mean of 90.
116.8(0.25(116.8-90))= 116.8-6.7= 110.1
on White norms.
But once again, the IQ of the wife seems too low, just look at her career; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirlane_McCray
Dante de Blasio’s IQ of ~110 in White norms is not Ivy League material, and the same applies to Malia Obama with an IQ of ~114, which is below the 125 IQ level. They were admitted, because of their parents’ legacy or influence.
Where in the world do you get these calculations? It seems like Pumpkin does not even use such formulas.
In regards to spatial visual abilities, why do people in the Anglosphere have poor design concepts? Do they have lower visual IQs? But East Asians also fare poorly in creative design. There must be a reason!
I just used regression to the mean with Obama and deBlasio’s spouses, and then regression to the mean from the average of the couple, to their racial mean, for their offspring.
For Bill deBlasio’s IQ I used his influence Z-score, something pumpkinperson has done.
It seems too low. I highly doubt Michelle Obama has an IQ of 107 or that Chrilane McCray has an IQ of 110.
Perhaps the spousal IQ correlation is higher, or something….
You don’t even need to estimate his wife’s IQ. If you believe de Blasio is 24 points above the white mean, and the father-son correlation is 0.45, then his son would typically be 45% as far above the mulatto mean, which in the U.S. would be 93 not 90 because most U.S. mulattoes have much more white genes than black.
I don’t think de Blasio is anywhere near the most influential New Yorker. I’d probably give that honor to the Jewish publisher of the New York Times since the entire elite media takes their cues from that paper.
Still, de Blasio is extremely influential, and I would actually guess his IQ to be 135 because in addition to being super influential, he’s also extremely tall and academically accomplished (two other indicators of IQ).
So assuming he’s 35 points above the white mean, his son should be 0.45(35) = 16 above the U.S. mulatto mean of 93, putting him at 109 which is virtually the same as your estimate, though based on different calculations.
De Blasio is actually not very influential in New York City. None of his endeavors have come to fruition, with the exception of affordable housing, but it’s not the type where he would like it to be. He wanted poor racial minorities to live near wealthy Whites, and it did not happen.
His IQ is probably in the 110-120 range, which is around the mean score for people with a graduate degree in the social sciences.
pumpkinperson- since my visual/spatial skills aren’t too great, could you estimate the head/cranial circumference of this guy;
(since you did already estimate Coulter’s head/cranial circumference)
a gay half-Jew who is quietly trying to control the Alt-Right.
He’s very similar to Coulter in that he has many indicators of high, and low IQ, so once again the formula is needed.
I’m speculating the Anglosphere is made up of a lower visual IQ, Caucasoid majority, given the poor layout of their cities and designing skills. Also, the Anglos have experienced less conflict than Continental Europeans on the battle field, where only the more visual capable population survived.
Well, using my Most recent common ancestor extrapolation, my autosomal ancestry is about 63%, or roughly 5/8 from the British Isles.
I also have some Sephardic Jewish ancestry, which on an autosomal DNA test could have manifested itself as a larger share of my phenotype, leading to a lopsided IQ (although I’m not sure Sephardis underwent the massive verbal selection that the Ashkenazis did)
People from the British Isles had many great scientists, they are the true scientists of Europe, as opposed to Germans, who basically just adopted Jews as their own.
As for ‘proliness’ my Dad was at least part Anglo-Cuban/Caribbean, so I’m not really prole, in that regard, so to speak.
The extent of my ‘proliness’ is love of NFL football, big band music/Southern Italian-American mafia movies, and stuff like that.
The constant warring in the Iberian peninsula, the bloody Italian Renaissance with the sack of Rome before it, and the conflicts culminating into the French Revolution, makes one believe that visual IQ was important for war and conflict in Western Europe. Hence, Spaniards, Italians and Frenchmen produce the most visually pleasing products, not afforded to Anglos, who had a relatively mild history of fierce fighting with their neighbors.
”People from the British Isles had many great scientists, they are the true scientists of Europe, as opposed to Germans, who basically just adopted Jews as their own.”
Come to America ask anyone Einstein’s ethnicity, and they will most likely say, without any hesitance; “German”
same with Niels Bohr (half-Danish, half-Ashkenazi), etc.
Just like Brazilians speak Spanish and are all non-White, being part of the “Hispanic” race………..
Don’t come to America, at least some parts of it. Not the most intellectually stimulating most of the time….
Just two names, reduce Germany legacy to the science in
”they use joos”
is very stupid.
”Don’t come to America, at least some parts of it. Not the most intellectually stimulating most of the time…”
I don’t need fly to the mercan idiocracy if i live in the hell role of idiocracy called ”brazil”.
brazil is a disguting anti-intellectual ”nation”.
But i know that mercans definitely are not, on avg, intellectual inclined. Interesting that french ”people”, even with huge, massive ”immigrants” there, seems very ”intellectually-inclined/leaning”, not ”intellectually-understood”.
europeans, and specially western continental ones, germans, spaniards, etc, seems much more intellectually-artistic-leaning than.. british*
Maybe the stereotype about Britain as a ”mercan state” can be true.
Yes, Santo, and the most intellectual and exciting city in North America is Montreal. It’s French, and the best in the continent.
America is garbage, it’s all about money, and the people spending it on garbage. No class, no refinement, no intellect, just disgusting garbage.
Just look at New York and compare it to Montreal. Jews love New York, messy city symbolic of them with a lot of money. Montreal has class and refinement.
I’ve said this over and over again, but people get angry at me.
”Yes, Santo, and the most intellectual and exciting city in North America is Montreal. It’s French, and the best in the continent.”
**And Buenos Ayres***
”I’ve said this over and over again, but people get angry at me.”
Because you’re insulting them, 😉
Americans have no class, as you can see from this picture of an American wine shop:
Americans care only about money and consume without 2nd thoughts. Americans think they are the best, of course, they’re not. Disgusting!
This layout is typical of the wine shops in Montreal:
“Just two names, reduce Germany legacy to the science in”
**two of the most notable.
Anyway, look at my link “Nobel Laureates per Capita”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita
”**two of the most notable.”
Really*
”Anyway, look at my link “Nobel Laureates per Capita”””
And**
Do you like jews and hate whites*
Again,
do you like jews and hate whites** why*
Every group is Ethnocentric, and many Americans ones aren’t*
Perhaps Ashkenazis should so some loyalty to Europeans and their diaspora, but they’ve also been rejected and persecuted by them.
*In the U.S., our Jews in Florida were bombarded featuring Israeli PM Netanyahu during the 2012 Presidential Election cycle, basically just ranting about how Obama wants to gas them, and his plans for peace with Palestine, etc.
Yet, the Jews in America nationwide voted for Obama by a wide margin.
Not so Ethnocentric.
Is indeed better than non-Jewish turn of the century and industrial revolution capitalism.
”Perhaps Ashkenazis should so some loyalty to Europeans and their diaspora, but they’ve also been rejected and persecuted by them.”
Wrong.
”perhaps”
Loyalty is something that jews tend to learn but fundamentally among them.
of course most of people are like that BUT jews are showing that they can be even worst than the habitual disgusting inter-ethnic-unfairness.
and to be *fundamentally* loyal with their own, inevitably mean NOT TO BE loyal with outsiders, specially when you are constantly interacting with the outside-world.
”*In the U.S., our Jews in Florida were bombarded featuring Israeli PM Netanyahu during the 2012 Presidential Election cycle, basically just ranting about how Obama wants to gas them, and his plans for peace with Palestine, etc.
Yet, the Jews in America nationwide voted for Obama by a wide margin.
Not so Ethnocentric.”
I ask for you and not for ”your facts”. It’s a personal question.
hahahahaha,
supposedly Obama hate jews,
yesss
You’re analysing via mass- neocon-media, sorry, a bad parameter to start a contundent analysis.
Why you’re a jewish lover and why you’re a white-hater**
”capitalism = freedom” and always will be
”jewish ideal” is
yes, right, i agree. 😉
The only great thing about America is its research programs in STEM. Anything else, you can pretty much ignore.
Europeans have more reason to dislike Jews, given the garbage they’ve created in the United States. American pop culture and the sick ideologies are good examples. Spreading them to Europe is worse than spreading the plague.
You need to visit NYC and you will see the ethnocentricism of Jews. But in all fairness, America is land of proles and adding the Jewish element, makes it worse.
At one point in time, all of our ethnicites were probably regarded as Badly as the groups Jews and Black Bantus.
My dad used to say;
“Hatred for other groups comes and goes, but remains for Blacks and Jews”
The Alt-Right portion Anglo Sphere needs to be executed.
Immediately.
It’s not a question.
The Anglo led Alt-Right wants some of these people;
not these, who of course have a higher median IQ ;
Js,
United States is a capitalistic version of Soviet Union.
Of course you’re not biased Another williams,
well,
search for latin mercan proles and you will find even worst examples, read, abundant examples.
What demo-crats/liberalism are searching…
poor black ”bodies”
Ok, i did two direct questions to you and you still don’t ask them.
Why do you think that mass immigration to the USA and specially, latin american ones will be a good thing and fair to the people who invent this country**
”The Alt-Right portion Anglo Sphere needs to be executed.
Immediately.
It’s not a question.”
micro aggression**
very vague honey
explain why
hihihihihihihihi
this is a argument too*
It was an example, not an argument.
They need to be removed, because their policies don’t work. Economically, leftism works better, and leftist have higher IQs on the median (fact);
this is what they want, it’s coming to the U.S.
http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-donald-trump-supporters-agree-with-hitler-quotes-2016-3?r=UK&IR=T
Humanity is inherently evil.
They are exploiting that.
That deserves punishment.
If you lived in the U.S. you would not sympathize with these Gorillas.
‘Argh!! Them MexicanTs is evil rapists who are taking our jobs.
They ain’t human.
They would shapeshift around a closed boarder, so we have to do this’
why do you hate Jews, Santo?
Since ”they’ took Western nations have opened their borders, created the politically correct (New Left) (disgusting/evil), took the ” Palestine ”, because supposedly biblical reasons, ‘and’ manipulate mischievously the stupid goy, I do not see why to like them, especially their elite …
They were expelled several times from several European countries. In the end, I hate them just as hate ” white RETARDED leftists’, and just as I hate the ‘ ‘white PRIMITIVE conservatives’, all of which are extremists. Just as I hate evil and stupidity. Just as I hate all humanity and all its existential amateurs failures.
I hate them in different ways, from different perspectives.
But there remain any doubt that they are in power and therefore are responsible for all our misfortunes, as well as ” good things ”, which however, are few, happen slowly (first explores this ”animals”, then gives a little to the donkey goy, that they believes that this is called justice or meritocracy) and are easily pervaded the misfortunes that affect us.
I can confirm that the IQs of Harvard students, on the undergraduate level, average about 125. The average for Canadian universities is about 115 or thereabouts. It is not so much IQ affecting the accepting of students into Harvard, but conscientiousness– the largest factor other than IQ in life success.